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there exist several pieces of folk wisdom:- "you cannot run your own mail … |
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in the end, i went:- from running mail.whitequark.org on DigitalOcean (extremel… |
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by setting the entire thing (https://codeberg.org/whitequark/mail.whitequark.or… |
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_should_ you self-host your email? i dunno, i'm not your mom, pick your own… |
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@whitequark yep, I echo your experience here. I think (no evidence) that for so… |
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@domi pretty much! |
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Post #AylC2gzNabXb3N1BbM by [email protected] |
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@whitequark Office 365 however apparently will hate your email no matter what. … |
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@whitequark I wonder how much this worked because you had a clean reputation fo… |
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@whitequark Awesome, I have wanted to do that since forever. Unfortunately I do… |
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Post #AylCKsHQLecPHh80h6 by [email protected] |
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i think the myth of "you can't self-host email" persists because … |
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Post #AylCLVNoxnuOYpQAa0 by [email protected] |
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Confirmed: Microsoft won’t even deliver email you want to receive!@whitequark |
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Post #AylCUhzRSegaGZPGM4 by [email protected] |
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@david_chisnall this is possible! I haven't done a proper study of the fact… |
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@david_chisnall given this, what kind of reputation would I have? clearly not … |
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Post #AylCbV9xYwFYV6Z6hM by [email protected] |
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@futuresprog they do actually deliver it after someone from the org marks it as… |
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@doragasu I do not have professional ops background either, I just dabble really |
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Post #AylD9uzo0i74TaE892 by [email protected] |
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365 tenants are keeping their own known domains list?! Well that’s an interes… |
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@futuresprog yep I believe so, assuming I understood your terminology right |
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Post #AylDmYhuoRSodwHfuK by [email protected] |
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@whitequark another reason that it persists is that even the public IP reputati… |
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@glyph yeah I think the combo of "roll the IP gacha a few times" + &q… |
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Post #AylE1miwytCSSW1pa4 by [email protected] |
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@whitequark yeah, the spooky magic parts suck.HOWEVER.while I would not encoura… |
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Post #AylE5xmRoctHuMemUS by [email protected] |
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@whitequarkJust like many others already mentioned: don't waste your time w… |
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@whitequark No idea. These systems are completely opaque to me, and seem to co… |
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Post #AylE9xdqH1MedUXPVY by [email protected] |
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something interesting I discovered is that the combination of- greylisting (tel… |
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Post #AylETDBQiK5iL8QZzU by [email protected] |
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these functions are now either built-in to postfix (smtpd_helo_restrictions, sm… |
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Post #AylEWQoeU6hvUPJDFo by [email protected] |
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@whitequark the more you have this stuff consistently running clean (and don… |
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Post #AylEctbON5MsVPBml6 by [email protected] |
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@glyph also (a note to past catherine), DKIM doesn't involve regular key ro… |
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Post #AylEhe8XIaZNzKxPEm by [email protected] |
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@whitequark Tagging this as #ryoms. |
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Post #AylEjsHreu1qSENnw8 by [email protected] |
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@ben I managed to divine out just enough to know who and when to ping via other… |
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@whitequark about "ancient baroque undocumented" software. Have you t… |
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Post #AylEpSNUtw7bptgBkm by [email protected] |
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@charlotte right yes, by no means is spam filtering obsolete, I was just shocke… |
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Post #AylEs0J1jGQVdmnqim by [email protected] |
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@yannsionneau I was migrating an existing server and wanted to keep it roughly … |
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@charlotte but also if you haven't tried rspamd you might like it, it's… |
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Post #AylF3uunb79COe9R3Y by [email protected] |
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@charlotte oh rip |
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@charlotte yeah that all makes sense; i've always had impeccable reception … |
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also Roundcube is pretty amazing, they have a nice responsive new theme that wo… |
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@whitequark I had to stop greylisting when “magic links" for log ins sta… |
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Post #AylGZ62KOklJov6WLA by [email protected] |
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@simon_w i want to emphasize that i don't greylist everything; "clearl… |
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Post #AylGcVSWKo5PXFyuxc by [email protected] |
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@simon_w this means you can't greylist in the MTA and have to do it in the … |
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Post #AylH1w6OPgPbPIl0ue by [email protected] |
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@whitequark you'd miss out on my email though, depending on your definition… |
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Post #AylHMlEA2YiPlFJwky by [email protected] |
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@bert_hubert try me? [email protected] |
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@whitequark what are the other PHP codebases for you? just curious |
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Post #AylHRtZmQYxV6NshbU by [email protected] |
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@yavien prestashop is ok. nextcloud i thought was ok but that was years ago and… |
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Post #AylJjcUcseuxEy3A0m by [email protected] |
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@whitequark done |
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@whitequark as both a free outlook email user and an (rarely, but sometimes) or… |
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Post #AylKdGhL6J15rSX1o8 by [email protected] |
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@whitequark Microsoft 365 hates their own email.One company has email setup wit… |
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@whitequark oh hell yes these 3 SMTP tricks definitely cut out about 90% of spa… |
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Post #AylLGrOQbTbixjZ5fc by [email protected] |
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@whitequark I recently went through a similar change. My old mail server was ge… |
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@whitequark mailcow. I have been running it now for five years or so and not ha… |
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@whitequark @glyph > "let it sit for 8 months while the VM idles"I… |
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@whitequark another provider that will hate you no matter what is T-Online/Tele… |
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@glyph @whitequark I wish people didn't treat things that would be absolute… |
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Post #AylQBqZuhlBwl5MlIe by [email protected] |
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@glyph @whitequark also: does MTA-STS help? |
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Post #AylQCBHXjFyUyBvt56 by [email protected] |
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@whitequark Yeah, I run my own (low traffic) mail server. Very little maintenan… |
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@whitequark ive had success with stalwart on ovh as well |
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Post #AylRcTUakGy2vq8bOy by [email protected] |
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@whitequark 💞greylisting. It cuts down on so much spam it's like witchcr… |
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@whitequark huh, weird that your AS is not listed in UCEPROTECT3 ransom blackli… |
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Post #AylV1OysxIKA2fswfA by [email protected] |
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@whitequark @david_chisnall > - I always had clean SPF but never bothered wi… |
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@whitequark If you were to actually do a PhD in Bullshit, what would the title … |
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Post #AylV3qMA93fJWawAPQ by [email protected] |
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@whitequark I had problems with this for years, until I set up a deliverability… |
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@simon_w @whitequark I think you could do "greylist with a transient error… |
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@whitequark @david_chisnall An example of DMARC w/ just SPF is the SEVP portal … |
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@whitequark m365: I filled out some form to get mail through... worked back in … |
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@whitequark could you explain what you mean with "cleaned up my IP reputat… |
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@whitequark there are IPs that have never been used before? |
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@whitequark seems like a good opportunity for a docker image with a solid confi… |
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@whitequark @glyph I wonder what the over/under is on giving your sender only a… |
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@whitequark I'm running several mail servers for various clients (where I s… |
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Post #Ayloruc4UXRkKnxz5U by [email protected] |
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@jpm @whitequark Right, I've got this implemented, too.permit_mynetworks, s… |
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@whitequark @yavien I've got nextcloud on most of my postfix servers, both … |
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@whitequark Wait, wut? Somehow this had slid under my radar, and has largely b… |
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@whitequark yep, Microsoft is the only one rejecting email sometime (every 8 mo… |
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Post #AymP1zENm2DFu0zOwy by [email protected] |
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@codimp which form? can i have a link? |
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@bert_hubert received! |
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@whitequark For the second largest email provider, Microsoft appears to be deep… |
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Post #AymPhZIQaZFdd6i2Ai by [email protected] |
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@bert_hubert @whitequark Just curious - do you have a reason to keep your HELO … |
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@AnachronistJohn @whitequark I send out 100k legit email messages/month or so, … |
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@bert_hubert @whitequark I never thought that there should be a requirement for… |
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@AnachronistJohn @bert_hubert hah, looks like my primary rejected Bert's em… |
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Post #AymPz1DC3JyB8Ca8ES by [email protected] |
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@jernej__s @jpm oh that's super clever |
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@whitequark Let rspamd handle those checks, because it can't learn from mai… |
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Post #AymQ50QTt22YQqeTx2 by [email protected] |
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@wrmsr good point; do you have a configuration handy? |
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Post #AymQI51i5r6kSsIeR6 by [email protected] |
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@whitequark @me_ I have been running my own for many years, as well, and keep p… |
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@a @me_ I ran email with SPF only for years and had issues (maybe due to no DKI… |
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@whitequark @me_ Also, it is infuriating when people use “can you get past Gm… |
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@twipped yup! I run too much infra to have capacity for this but other people c… |
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Post #AymQRdgGcTJ0Y5pOqG by [email protected] |
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@twipped I'm exaggerating a bit; I sat on the IP for 8 months before settin… |
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Post #AymQb5ZSII31ef9Ea8 by [email protected] |
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@tyrthecat @david_chisnall I switched IPs because my old one has been perma-blo… |
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@whitequark thank you for sharing this thread!It is super informative and has s… |
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Post #AymQh2JbJNcRILZHbE by [email protected] |
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@tyrthecat you're welcome! |
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@HeyQui I greylist only email that is suspicious in first place (via rspamd); t… |
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Post #AymRE8G0Ey0HHPfNse by [email protected] |
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@sven haha I have stalkers, guess t-online just never gets any of my mail then |
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Post #AymRKvv0VtxD2V5Zk8 by [email protected] |
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@zimzat let's test deliverability? |
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Post #AymRxNSOZfb9S82O80 by [email protected] |
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i'm seeing that a lot of people know about greylisting but have various iss… |
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@whitequark Great to hear you have tamed one of the giants! Do you think the MS… |
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Post #AymSFoGBexz1nG7HHs by [email protected] |
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@whitequark yep this is my setup too, greylist based on a high-enough SpamAssas… |
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Post #AymT67bayn2eqm4fOi by [email protected] |
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@whitequark rspamd is such a good piece of software |
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@whitequark I've been running pretty much that exact setup for over a decad… |
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@defer I don't really like the Nix language (while fully appreciating its s… |
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@jernej__s @jpm which section do you put these commands in? |
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@whitequark @jpm The above one is from smtpd_helo_restrictions, but I've go… |
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@whitequark There are several shrink wrapped FOSS mail server packages around, … |
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@seindal a hour a week seems _incredibly high_ |
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@whitequark Less than ...Also, I use it for work. |
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@whitequark Here is the link: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=614866You … |
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@codimp ohh I see, I haven't ever got rejects, only filtering into spam |
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@whitequark I ran my own email server about 20 years ago, but I have been retic… |
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I have all of this and my spam detection rate is way lower than yours. HELO cat… |
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Post #AynE1jJw1X3sDfDn72 by [email protected] |
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@hallunke23 highly recommend greylisting |
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@whitequark I used to do it until the raid controller in the machine that was h… |
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@Dragon this is exactly why I use NixOS, which lets me restore a system from a … |
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Post #AynMf53FxfpGXmh9Jw by [email protected] |
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@whitequark The problem was more the provider being slow replacing the server.T… |
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Post #AynMmeMd4Kzg5gMk88 by [email protected] |
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@Dragon right, yeahi used to be way more conservative about putting everything … |
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Post #AynlPxdljOcy4Lf11s by [email protected] |
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@whitequark When I was using greylisting, I set it to keep the details for 6 mo… |
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Post #AyuDVJMSMf3qY1f6WW by [email protected] |
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@HeyQui @whitequark I use milter-greylist, which (configurably) doesn’t delay… |
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Post #AyuDVbDtxCufwhnWgi by [email protected] |
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@whitequark One thing I've observed that's important when self-hosting … |
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Post #AyuDVeWnfOoSCBfA3s by [email protected] |
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@glyph @whitequark I'd suggest the opposite: make your SPF specific, narrow… |
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Post #AyuDVhq3MGzoSlh4zI by [email protected] |
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@whitequark There's also a heck of a lot of gatekeeping from people who lov… |
