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Look, Jeff Atwood, it is difficult to take you seriously when you write authori… |
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@aral 🎯Not enough people understand how techbros choose horrible user interf… |
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@aral @TCatInReality it’s also funny when they complain about how difficult c… |
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@aral As for some of the points raised in the linked thread…GDPR article 21 p… |
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@Synchro And even with the GDPR *specifically*, there was a period of years thr… |
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@mkj @aral 21(5) GDPR was specifically put in there with DNT in mind (mind you,… |
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@whvholst Indeed. Like I said in another reply: "if [the GDPR] were just e… |
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@aral I didn't read the 🦷 from Jeff. I fully understand the no tracking … |
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@praerien Install uBlock Origin and turn on at least the "EasyList - Cooki… |
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@aral 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 |
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@aral GDPR for dummies👌 |
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@ma1 "GDPR for dummies" would be like "don't collect, handle… |
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@aralReally the main problem of this enforcement is that it came too late, when… |
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@aral exactly. The EU needs to mandate that 1. Every browser needs to, by defau… |
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@rozeboosje @aral That’s actually how it is. Except maybe the massive fines. |
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@rozeboosje @aral https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/dealing-with-customers/… |
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@aral So in your world, how do you sell a customer a thing, without having to h… |
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@aral @codinghorror and wasnt his second suggestion already tried, as the do no… |
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@fabienmarry @codinghorror Yes. I’d be completely fine with legislating that … |
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@aral @fabienmarry @codinghorror That's a better solution, and then you onl… |
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@Dss In my world, which the same world you live in, if a person provides their … |
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@aral @Dss Lin et al. found that ad blocker users are more satisfied with the p… |
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@dmarti @aral @Dss there's a simple way for any website and their associate… |
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@vfrmedia @dmarti @aral Sadly, that way has pretty much been crushed by the cur… |
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@aral I'm running a website for a science consortium and we don't track… |
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@knud but even if you sold something, you would not need to put up a cookie ban… |
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@jenesuispasgoth @knud @aral I work in e-commerce in Europe. Mostly the banners… |
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@michelv @jenesuispasgoth @knud Use first-party tools or privacy respecting one… |
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@aral @jenesuispasgoth @knud it is partly possible indeed; thing is, it costs m… |
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@michelv @jenesuispasgoth @knud Yes, it is easier to violate human rights than … |
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@aral @jenesuispasgoth @knud you’re right, I’m a soulless monster. Hyperbol… |
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@michelv @jenesuispasgoth Your words, not mine. |
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@aral Exactly. And his "all websites" particularly grates because I c… |
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@michelv @aral @jenesuispasgoth How about leaving me out of this thread continu… |
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@slowe My personal web site has exactly zero cookies and therefore no cookie no… |
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@aral @marix You‘re correct on a wholly different level.GDPR doesn’t mandat… |
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@yahe @marix That’s why I used “EU law” and “EU legislation” everywhe… |
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@aral @yahe @marix yes, we would. The mentioned ePD covers also non-personal da… |
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@branleb @aral @marix Given that I currently research the speciality of (very o… |
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@yahe @aral @marix in that case yes. As stated, that is not every case, the ePD… |
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@yahe @aral @marix e.g. storing a cookie with the content for every website ret… |
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@yahe @aral @marix same goes e.g. for detecting the screen resolution. |
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@branleb @aral @marix I wouldn’t be so sure there given the potential for fin… |
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@yahe @aral @marix if you use it for that, sure. But not for only the standalon… |
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Indeed.Now, how to make Jeff Atwood and those who listen to him take heed?Regre… |
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@vnikolovpost removed as my link was already in the original posting. I still t… |
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@fzimper @aral blocked for snitch tooting |
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@jenesuispasgoth @aral Absolutely. And the best online shops for me don't e… |
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@knud lots of physical, brick-and-mortar shops also try to ask me for my email … |
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@jenesuispasgoth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictitious_telephone_number#By_c… |
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@branleb @aral @marix Hopefully, the announced Digital Package will finally cle… |
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@aral excellent ✊ |
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@webhat @fzimper @aral I'm blocking you for being an idiot. "snitch to… |
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@Dss @fzimper And you’re (NKT) getting blocked for your comment to @webhat. |
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@michelvThe problem is not that it's in-house or not, it's that you wan… |
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@edasfr @jenesuispasgoth @aral *I* don’t want to track people, but *I* don’… |
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@michelvOK, replace "you" by "your employer". Sorry for the… |
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@yahe @aral @marix which digital package? Last information I had was that COM g… |
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@branleb @aral @marix See Annex I No. 7 of the work program 2025. |
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@jenesuispasgoth @knud @aral I will not jump through hoops for retailers. My re… |
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@TCatInReality @aral My irritation with the agegating is simple: We can't t… |
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@shaknais @aral I completely agree. That's why we need to improve regulati… |
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@TCatInReality @aral In which case we end up with the usual government system t… |
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@jenesuispasgoth @aral Not here (Germany). Not gonna happen. On the other hand … |
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@yahe @aral @marix but there has not been published any more information on the… |
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@aral @codinghorror Are we sure that Jeff Atwood isn't an early LLM experim… |
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@qqmrichter @aral @codinghorror Garbage in, garbage out. |
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@branleb @aral @marix The public consultation ended mid-July-ish. https://ec.eu… |
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@aral whether or not this is technically correct it totally nails how I feel ab… |
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@writingslowly There’s an easy solution to that. We pass a GDMR and effective… |
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@aral @cstross why is Jeff anchoring this around a 15 year old vuln anyway? |
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@vnikolov I think Upton Sinclair said it best… :) |
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@freediverx when I say no, 90% of the time they fill in some fake info by thems… |
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@qqmrichter I've seen people saying that crap since cookie banners exist.@a… |
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@aral they are even almost never compliance as most of them don't follow re… |
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@aral "We respect your privacy so much, pinky promise, please accept the c… |
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@conejo @aral You left out 30 of their partners. |
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@jenesuispasgoth @knud @aral in the US, you can always use your local area code… |
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@TCatInReality @aral this is what caused me to leave the private sector. Tech c… |
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@edasfr @jenesuispasgoth @aral if there was an easy way, we would probably have… |
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@aral jeff atwood talking authoritatively about a subject he doesnt understand?… |
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@luke @aral Make no mistake, those decisions are driven by an overzealous focus… |
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@writingslowly What annoys me is that they've managed to give people the im… |
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@TCatInReality @aral goes without saying. No human-centered design under capita… |
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We're talking about a guy whose preferred method of handling a program cras… |
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@aralThe hilarious part was that this WAS a browser feature, dnt, but the indus… |
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@aral 💥 |
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@mkj @praerien @aral I've wondered: if you don't click anything on the … |
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@aral @writingslowly There’s a problem with point 1 - who decides what “can… |
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@freediverx @qqmrichter @aral @codinghorror This is the kind of garbage why I s… |
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@TCatInReality @aral I am outraged at "age gating"On the face of it i… |
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@worik @aral I disagree. There absolutely are real world harms by not having a… |
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@GeorgWeissenbacher @writingslowly I’m one of those experts.Yes, regulation, … |
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@aral @writingslowly Another way to outlaw their business model is to outlaw ad… |
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@TCatInReality @aral > For more: https://mastodon.social/@TCatInRealityI r… |
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@worik @aral So, your best counter-argument is that some people will be "r… |
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@worik @aral 2) market forces will then create more all-age sites to capture as… |
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@worik @aral A third response to the "reluctance" argument.There was … |
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@freediverx @jenesuispasgoth @knud @aral (Some part of that is that occasionall… |
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@urlyman @aral It's often not even malicious compliance. Most of these bann… |
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@aral @writingslowly I understand that there are regulations, and of course I&#… |
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@david_chisnall @urlyman @noybeu Indeed. And yes they are but enforcement of GD… |
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@TCatInReality @aral the internet, as it is designed, will frustrate this. A pa… |
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@aral not the first time he's completely wrong |
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@piggo @aral I was amazed at all of the replies. I was like, you mean this many… |
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@WeirdWriter @piggo @aral We don't. (-:I got sucked in by @ska boosting a … |
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@aral see https://infosec.exchange/@codinghorror/115125536547866194 and https:/… |
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@codinghorror @aral None of those links refute anything Aral said (well, unless… |
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@JdeBP Keep getting sucked in by my boosts and I'll have you posting in thr… |
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@ska They tried on Hacker News, but they missed the mark. It turned out not to… |
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@JdeBP I have to say that getting a certain category of people to clutch their … |
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@ska @JdeBP I'd find it a lot more amusing if they weren't also slingin… |
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@cairobraga @grievousangel @aral the EU has made plenty of good rulings in the … |
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@aral Misleading. If you implement first party cookies for your own analytics t… |
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@matiasgoldberg Yes it is very much part of the equation.A first-party function… |
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@aral Start filtering by anything useful like first time visitors, Country and … |
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@matiasgoldberg I said aggregate not “anonymised”. The latter is bullshit. |
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@aral Genuine question:If I hosted my own private analytics tracker (something … |
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@dragonarchitect The easiest way is to keep aggregate stats collected on the se… |
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@aral Jeff is a clever cookie. He knows this. I don't know why he's bei… |
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@elricofmelnibone Upton Sinclair has entered the chat. |
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@aral Thanks for this. Many believe a cookie notification is the only way to be… |
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@patwood 💕 |
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@aral What I *do* think should be a browser feature if we're really serious… |
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@disorderlyf @aral This feature already exists. It is just that ad-tech ignored… |
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@uncanny_static @disorderlyf It’s worse than that: this was a feature spearhe… |
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@aral @uncanny_static Mozilla is equal parts actual lesser evil and controlled … |
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@codinghorror @aral you make money from ads on stack exchange so you are biased… |
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@andrewrk @aral I'm biased as a user of the internet who is SO FUCKING TIRE… |
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@aral @codinghorror I remind you that this is Jeff Attwood you are finger waggi… |
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@grievousangel @aral @codinghorror tell me you don’t really know Jeff Atwood … |
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@aapis @grievousangel @aral I dunno, I think Discourse and my philanthropy proj… |
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@codinghorror @aapis @aral Exactly this. I think Attwood’s recent focus on we… |
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@grievousangel @aapis @aral look, I said the EU has made some good decisions in… |
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@TCatInReality @worik @aral no, not fear of, absolute certainty. And that needs… |
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@aralEven simpler: Look at the DNT http header.Only fall back to cookie notices… |
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@leeloo @aral you'd have to only fall back if the header doesn't say de… |
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@ikuturso @aralOh right, because you can't consent until you know what you … |
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@mathew @mkj @praerien @aral some do, some don't. Some don't because th… |
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@mathew @mkj @praerien @aral I made a script that tracks Latvian websites that … |
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@TCatInReality @worik @aral Such age-related "market forces" already … |
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@codinghorror @grievousangel @aapis @aral I disagree on the "universally b… |
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@lucas @grievousangel @aapis @aral it's good to discuss it, it's good t… |
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@codinghorror @grievousangel @aapis @aral But apparently the adtech industry ha… |
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@lucas @grievousangel @aapis @aral it presumes all actors are rational actors, … |
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@lucas @grievousangel @aapis @aral I mean, maybe human beings are less evil in … |
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@codinghorror @grievousangel @aapis @aral I dunno, still seems better to me to … |
