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Look, EU, it is difficult to take you seriously when you forced all this cookie… |
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I'm in this picture and I don't like it. |
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@codinghorror I'm sorry I usually really like your takes but this one is ju… |
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@luap42 ok BUT AT THE BROWSER LEVEL FOR THE LOVE OF GOD |
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Post #Axi6kvWzeeC5tg3TJA by [email protected] |
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@codinghorror how is stack exchange at all involved?? |
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Post #Axi6kvdjFba8EZCqo4 by [email protected] |
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@javier every website on the world is involved |
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Post #Axi6m4iSzSYgfoy8Y4 by [email protected] |
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@codinghorror It really is obnoxious that this isn’t a browser function. I w… |
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Post #Axi6m4oqbjf8zbxEUi by [email protected] |
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@pixel exactly! |
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@codinghorror Or you could, you know, not track people. Silly, I know. |
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Post #AxiEN2xJCMYlbgUIeu by [email protected] |
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@codinghorror That's a myth perpetrated by adtech industry. There is no EU … |
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@dalias not true. It is a LEGAL REQUIREMENT. Or you will be sued. By lawyers. A… |
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@codinghorror No, if you are not tracking you have not broken any law and you w… |
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Post #AxiEN3IZvHZcfeRHoO by [email protected] |
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@dalias @codinghorror in analogy:EU made it illegal to “sucker punch people�… |
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@leymoo @codinghorror They're not even a loophole. It's been ruled that… |
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@codinghorror Moreover there *was* a browser feature to set it globally and all… |
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@dalias @codinghorror yeah fair. I see some progress has been made on allowing … |
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@leymoo @codinghorror It's also that the garbage web frameworks make it bas… |
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@dalias @leymoo @codinghorror yes indeed! before we joined Internet Safety Labs… |
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@dalias @leymoo @codinghorror anyway: during our time at Google we were occasio… |
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@ireneista @dalias @leymoo @codinghorror "industry realities".transla… |
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Post #AxiEN4CwXiezUSoIfQ by [email protected] |
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@paul_ipv6 @dalias @leymoo @codinghorror that is correct. |
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@dalias @codinghorror although I’d guess some of this is down to different cu… |
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Post #AxiEN4MVy8Jfy9HwaO by [email protected] |
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@ireneista @dalias @leymoo @codinghorror i have scars from attempting to assist… |
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@paul_ipv6 @dalias @leymoo @codinghorror yes. techno-solutionism is a distinct … |
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@ireneista @dalias @leymoo @codinghorror ah, the old "move fast, break thi… |
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Post #AxiGhzEMRVWY2lZno8 by [email protected] |
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@codinghorror @javier Websites that don't use cookies are not involved. Nei… |
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@scy @codinghorror @javier And tell themselves the comforting lie that it is th… |
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@codinghorror We had DHT. Blame Microsoft for killing it. Blame advertisers for… |
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Post #AxiKx7qN6LQEuupW0O by [email protected] |
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@leymoo @dalias @codinghorror > But the banners I think are harder to enforc… |
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Post #AxiKx7yAdLf1J6TkA4 by [email protected] |
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@lispi314 @dalias @leymoo I think the most important thing of all is to make al… |
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@codinghorror True, but my point remains. This shitty experience we're coll… |
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@codinghorror That would be some of the propaganda you are not immune to. |
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@mhoye @codinghorror It's easy enough in some browsers to block all cookies… |
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@codinghorror @lispi314 @leymoo Literally the only people doing that are the on… |
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Post #AxiSdQqnWXZBhv9L6G by [email protected] |
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@dalias @lispi314 @leymoo beside the point; I visit 100 well-intentioned, well-… |
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@codinghorror @lispi314 @leymoo They may be well-intentioned* but they're n… |
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Post #AxiSdR3ujm3gMbHoXo by [email protected] |
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@dalias @lispi314 @leymoo the issue is far too nuanced to cover to cover in thi… |
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@codinghorror That the EU 'forced' cookie banners is flat-out false. It… |
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@willegible yeah, because users really loooove paying for content instead of fr… |
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@codinghorror As for why this isn't a browser feature, it was and is! It is… |
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@codinghorror Look, USA, your utter failure to protect citizens’ privacy mak… |
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@h0gh oh yes exactly zero European internet companies ever did this. Have you m… |
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@aurelian good! Wake me up when I am no longer clicking 15 different cookie ban… |
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a neverending delight |
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@codinghorror All browsers need a “Always reject all” setting. |
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Post #Axiq2j1xMl2AHEOmqe by [email protected] |
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@pixel @codinghorror Browsers did have a function for this, called Do Not Track… |
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@codinghorror Well, first of all EU didn't force that on websites, ad compa… |
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@leymoo @codinghorror @dalias @lispi314 it’s not nuanced at all; it’s very,… |
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@codinghorror @willegible sites used to run ads without data collection. It'… |
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@claudius @codinghorror @willegible I'm glad to see someone else with this … |
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@dalias @codinghorror DNT was such a nice idea... unfortunately - $$$$$$$$$$$$ … |
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@codinghorror @dalias no, you need a legal basis according to the GDPR. Consent… |
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@codinghorror Tell me you don't know what you're talking about without … |
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@daliasSession cookies in themselves are fine - no PII involved and no third pa… |
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@pgcd @leymoo @codinghorror Nope, a session cookie is tracking. It enables proc… |
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@dalias @pgcd @leymoo @codinghorror under GDPR, session cookies as normally und… |
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@lackthereof @pgcd @leymoo @codinghorror Maybe we're going by different def… |
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@dalias do you mean the dnt header? I just recently visited geizhals.de and not… |
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@frosch @dalias @codinghorror Eventually an EU court will declare DNT legally b… |
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@faduda @frosch @codinghorror That's why Google and Mozilla removed the set… |
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@dalias @frosch @codinghorror Won't matter. I can add a plugin, and it clea… |
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@faduda @frosch @codinghorror Yeah but they'll try to argue it's no lon… |
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@dalias @pgcd @codinghorror weirdly an interesting rule on thumb (anecdotally) … |
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@dalias @pgcd @codinghorror although to counter the main point I can think of s… |
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@leymoo @pgcd @codinghorror These don't need identifying session cookies wi… |
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@dalias @pgcd @codinghorror oh yep I misread your message - I thought you were … |
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@dalias @codinghorror Indeed, but I would say it was 100% entirely predictable … |
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@revk @dalias @codinghorror There is no need for popups to have logs and track … |
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@richlv @revk @codinghorror There is no legitimate business reason to track ses… |
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@codinghorror @lispi314 @leymoo We only have to constantly think about it becau… |
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@lispi314 @leymoo @codinghorror Likely there's pressure on the enforcement … |
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@dalias @leymoo @codinghorror Now that's all kind of suspicious and the sou… |
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@codinghorror @javier No, it‘s not and you know that. |
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@codinghorrorWhy isn't it a browser function though? Seems like adding it a… |
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@monad_cat @codinghorror It was a browser function: Do Not Track was standardis… |
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@monad_cat For context: Mozilla gets ~$480–555M per year from Google for defa… |
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@monad_cat And let’s be honest: Jeff and his Stack Overflow websites thrive o… |
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@codinghorror @willegible If that is your understanding, then you are mistaken.… |
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@codinghorror The idiocracy is quite high in your toot here. The EU did not “… |
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So you may well be seeing banners because companies comply with US law in your … |
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@codinghorror Look, Jeff, it is difficult to take you seriously when you forced… |
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@codinghorror just don’t have tracking cookies and there will be no banner |
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@reconbot also just make everything free forever, done and.. done! |
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@codinghorror GDPR never mandated cookie banners. GDPR mandates user consent. T… |
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@AugierLe42e @codinghorror GDPR just makes it more obvious and more obnoxious. |
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@nlupo @AugierLe42e yes, if we make the Torment Nexus a bit more Torment-y, per… |
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@AugierLe42e @codinghorror The one problem there is that it doesn't even do… |
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@codinghorror No it does not. The ad companies are creating this pain through m… |
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@dalias @codinghorror that’s all very nice in theory, but it was always going… |
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@Setok @dalias @codinghorror Not if you do analytics based on your own web serv… |
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@mkoek @dalias @codinghorror tell that to the thousands of startups desperately… |
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@Setok @dalias @codinghorror I would not advise startups to behave unethically … |
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@mkoek @dalias @codinghorror frankly, yes. The law hasn’t changed anything of… |
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@dalias @codinghorror the correct way to do this would’ve been to enforce a D… |
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@Setok @dalias @codinghorror it hasn’t changed anything because it’s not en… |
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@mkoek @Setok @dalias it hasn’t changed anything because it does not address … |
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@codinghorror @mkoek @Setok @dalias The root case is the boundless hunting and … |
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@codinghorror Observed corporate behaviour, and by extension that of a comparat… |
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@codinghorror the EU didn't force cookie consent pop-ups, it forced consent… |
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@dragonfrog The bad thing is that, as the initial post by @codinghorror shows,… |
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@dalias And every single time I get the same popup with many "legitimate i… |
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@dalias @codinghorror Exactly. For example Fediverse server websites don't … |
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@codinghorror @dalias Oh ffs, this isn't true and you should know better th… |
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@ljrk @codinghorror @dalias the only banner we have is the google adsense built… |
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@ljrk @codinghorror @dalias but I do also agree that it should have been mandat… |
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@codinghorror Jeff, I think you should take some time to actually read up on th… |
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Post #AxmSsQKsUtvp5RCwLI by [email protected] |
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@varx yeah, the post is an old reference, so not ideal. |
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Post #Axn97z3RtLx7BT9pFg by [email protected] |
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@codinghorror look, Jeff, but maybe… just MAYBE your site should not share my… |
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Post #AxnKOflVxdzxmIvfyy by [email protected] |
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@codinghorror @Viss the EU reacted to behavior by tech companies. If the tech c… |
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Post #AxnKOfsbXHfa8IFL28 by [email protected] |
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@jason @codinghorror @Viss And they reacted in a way that made said behavior ev… |
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Post #AxnKOg0P4HuMWTtZBo by [email protected] |
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@buherator"Made" as in "the poor web sites and ad tracking netwo… |
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Post #AxnKOg7qcbrYtZNVnE by [email protected] |
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@lazyb0y from my previous answer: "Please don't tell me it should be … |
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Post #AxnKOi07eIs6iBmN1s by [email protected] |
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@Viss @jason @codinghorror @buherator How it made it worse? Less websites use 3… |
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Post #AxnKOi8d8fg38ZlAI4 by [email protected] |
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@davidkarlas @Viss @jason @codinghorror I don't have hard data on this unfo… |
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Post #AxpIQDDvEqkSFCk81o by [email protected] |
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@dalias @leymoo @codinghorror *should* ... Typical EU - make huge complex regul… |
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Post #AxpIQDMmhtpyggtCqG by [email protected] |
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@bonno @[email protected] @leymoo @codinghorrorThe problem is more that the E… |
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Post #AxpIQEHVJ1CvWbQVFY by [email protected] |
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@dalias @leymoo @codinghorror same for this app-install control apple and Googl… |
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Post #AxpIQFCvrV92OiIMlM by [email protected] |
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@dalias @leymoo @codinghorror why does a us company (apple or Google duopoly) n… |
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Post #AxpIQVzNT9P4Rb5HUm by [email protected] |
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@dalias @codinghorror DNT failed because Microsoft turned it on by default inst… |
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Post #AxpIQW5l5QVWlO4NRQ by [email protected] |
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@fabrice @[email protected] @codinghorrorThe EU cookie law and GDPR use the n… |
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Post #Axq8xhdwM52DlICgDI by [email protected] |
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@codinghorror Yes it should be a browser feature. But no, this blame is not wit… |
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Post #Axrb4OPNGCLa0WKQue by [email protected] |
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@dalias @leymoo @codinghorror that sort of bullshit was a lot of why we now wor… |
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Post #Axrb4OXWlsrwPo8wca by [email protected] |
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@ireneista @dalias @codinghorror Self regulation is how we got that poop-filled… |
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Post #Axrb4OduO9yOjb82ZE by [email protected] |
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@leymoo @dalias @codinghorror the regulations are written in blood, as the sayi… |
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Post #Axrb4OkI0R4r3O78Vs by [email protected] |
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@ireneista @leymoo @dalias @codinghorror Same goes for safety regulations on al… |
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Post #Axrb4Os5XRJdRZlMfY by [email protected] |
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@autiomaa @leymoo @dalias @codinghorror yes. we feel qualified to say, since wo… |
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Post #Axrb4P0x0UP9t3uRU0 by [email protected] |
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@ireneista @autiomaa @dalias @codinghorror And when attempts do manage to break… |
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Post #Axrb4P8OYoMMG9OO5Q by [email protected] |
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@leymoo @ireneista @dalias @codinghorror It's the problem with lobbying: ve… |
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Post #Axrb4PFq78JYdEsKgq by [email protected] |
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@autiomaa @leymoo @dalias @codinghorror our view is that computing should follo… |
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Post #Axrb4PNde8YL1QWYqW by [email protected] |
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@ireneista as long as it doesn't end up following the disaster preparedness… |
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@petrichor yeah we don't know what to do about that one, it seems pretty fu… |
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Post #AxsSSpkyWgnlLbyJVY by [email protected] |
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@mhoye @codinghorror That's not true. Most companies, and even a lot of gov… |
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Post #AxsSSptpzjtHn67OK0 by [email protected] |
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@AeonCypher @mhoye @codinghorror Then they’re incompetent. I’ve built and o… |
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Post #AxsSSq1dWk84BHlcTg by [email protected] |
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@teotwaki @mhoye @codinghorror I'm responsible for European compliance. You… |
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@AeonCypher @teotwaki @mhoye it is a very complicated problem and honestly I re… |
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@codinghorror @Setok @dalias I am actually fine with Facebook charging €6 (ii… |
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Post #AxtbNfYU7ZKx0QhYxc by [email protected] |
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@mkoek @Setok @dalias the least-worst path here is being honest "what is t… |
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@codinghorror @mkoek @Setok @dalias that's funny because SO doesn't pa… |
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@codinghorror It‘s not the EU that is forcing „cookie notification bullshit… |
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@dalias @leymoo @codinghorror at which point you -also- don't need consent … |
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Post #AxwaqZh5TVw8kHpB8i by [email protected] |
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@codinghorror @javier By always forgetting that I declined all, and asking me o… |
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@codinghorror tracking users is not a technical requirement for any website to … |
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@grishka "no plan survives contact with users" |
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@codinghorror It *is* a browser in-built function. It has been since 2009. Webs… |
