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Post #AxTvQAZuhBpEm5si6y by [email protected] |
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I am unreasonably excited that this thread https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/115… |
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Post #AxTvQAj88vCLEgC4Tg by [email protected] |
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@glyph This is pretty dishonest framing (on Eugen's part). Bluesky-the-comp… |
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Post #AxTvQAtPWhQBkZ0HVA by [email protected] |
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I do not mean this sarcastically! I frequently see them make this claim, and so… |
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Post #AxTvac9l11vvCccyJ6 by [email protected] |
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@glyph (there's also a lot of sleight-of-hand where people secretly define … |
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Post #AxTvn2Sr1qjIGpU5ya by [email protected] |
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@glyph Anyway, to be absoutely clear, services like https://blacksky.community/… |
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Post #AxTxD6srJtldSbdxY0 by [email protected] |
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@ubernostrum The claim seems accurate to me. There exists no central authority … |
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Post #AxTxD6zaur9fnUnL2u by [email protected] |
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@glyph “The ATProto world is in early days of having multiple instances” do… |
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Post #AxTxD7BeC2nQOsQxpg by [email protected] |
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@ubernostrum The more complex distributed architecture that atproto uses also m… |
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Post #AxU5w7X0Yfx68KOdvM by [email protected] |
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Like, all of this — even your replies — basically seem to boil down to “A… |
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Post #AxU5w7dOAx3YS7Njs0 by [email protected] |
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@ubernostrum I feel like there is potentially some talking past each other.You … |
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Post #AxU5w7jPoXsQkoCYGO by [email protected] |
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@ubernostrum Do you feel like this claim, as it stands, *isn't* accurate? T… |
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Post #AxU5w7pnQoyt4bBeD2 by [email protected] |
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@glyph Which claim?Is it true today that the Bluesky "instance" of AT… |
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Post #AxU5w804obCjaTzrEW by [email protected] |
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@ubernostrum You're making other points in here which feel a bit misleading… |
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Post #AxU6TRMTqp71BxMPLc by [email protected] |
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@glyph The big difference is mostly in which failure cases are being optimized … |
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Post #AxU6mcobUV5iDUf9l2 by [email protected] |
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@ubernostrum The claim is "Bsky can make this decision, Fedi can't&quo… |
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Post #AxU6mcud85uaWBTy9Q by [email protected] |
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@glyph Mastodon gGmbH is absolutely subject to the laws of a particular country… |
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Post #AxU7pVFGC0DRYs4EhU by [email protected] |
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@ubernostrum Straightforwardly, yes? It's a numbers game. I don't even … |
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Post #AxU7pVLdoHJtsf3Ke8 by [email protected] |
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@glyph This is weird to me, because the ATProto design actually optimizes for t… |
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Post #AxUJEoETplHFBXyKJ6 by [email protected] |
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@ubernostrum I am familiar with the benefits of the storage-independence and na… |
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Post #AxUJEoLDQifHWR7ho0 by [email protected] |
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@ubernostrum The "lived experience" of data portability between the t… |
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Post #AxUJEoSJ0MKtsQRMrA by [email protected] |
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@ubernostrum what annoys *me* about this discourse is that most of the benefits… |
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Post #AxUJEoXcgaac8uvc92 by [email protected] |
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@glyph I think this is where we get to the point of actual disagreement.The Fed… |
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Post #AxUJEoqPYjcP5BicQi by [email protected] |
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@glyph FWIW I have similar reactions to people advocating "cozyweb" a… |
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Post #AxUJc5SXx0vzH2eR4S by [email protected] |
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@glyph So I think "instances" of ATProto are going to tend to be larg… |
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Post #AxUL5s4CPPx2NY1qjI by [email protected] |
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@ubernostrum > The Fediverse […] emphasizes individuals […] And that is,… |
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Post #AxUL5sAa1h3UhL0wfw by [email protected] |
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@ubernostrum The part I can see is that when framed as "instance selection… |
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Post #AxUL5sGxdy9x1802ca by [email protected] |
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@ubernostrum the "fediverse might actually win" signal that I'm l… |
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Post #AxUL5sMzHYypJoor0y by [email protected] |
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@ubernostrum like the model for successful federation would be instance with st… |
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Post #AxUL5sTMtq5Hdbnwxc by [email protected] |
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@ubernostrum okay I'm blathering a bit now, let me focus in on the other in… |
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Post #AxUL5sZOXQu9wIclM0 by [email protected] |
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@ubernostrum Also, no, *not* all the data is public? How are you going to recov… |
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Post #AxUL5sfm9i0cG5brIe by [email protected] |
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@glyph DMs are a weird bolt-on. You'd lose them, but you could reconstitute… |
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Post #AxULRHPLO2LT3P7yQC by [email protected] |
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@ubernostrum I mean sure like in principle, but does some actual component in t… |
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Post #AxULRHW4yzjVOIHLv6 by [email protected] |
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@glyph I don't have the deep technical knowledge to answer that fully, but … |
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Post #AxULhZ4LURfmSl4Sum by [email protected] |
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@glyph To be blunt, I see Mastodon/Fediverse as the Linux desktop of social med… |
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Post #AxULxU3lskfhYnORY8 by [email protected] |
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@glyph If you want genuine answers, I'd suggest you go talk to people who a… |
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Post #AxUMVDjD6pFqkprYwa by [email protected] |
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@ubernostrum for what it's worth, fetch-all-replies did land, and I search … |
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Post #AxUMVDpwhmdt5j0wRU by [email protected] |
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@glyph I ran several desktop environments, ultimately settling on E16, on vario… |
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Post #AxUMVE1e0I03g0UHg0 by [email protected] |
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@ubernostrum and like, from one weird nerd to another as we are talking about w… |
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Post #AxVY3KoSZHtDE7kPyK by [email protected] |
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@glyph Real situation:Recently I decided to try to make an effort on Mastodon a… |
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Post #AxVYF11bxsb7KZT8zI by [email protected] |
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@glyph And of course there are tradeoffs. For example, you can't (so far as… |
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Post #AxVYF17za9hZeMSEvw by [email protected] |
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@ubernostrum fwiw I do not care even a tiny bit about self-hosting an instance.… |
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Post #AxVYF1ENCQo1y9RKsa by [email protected] |
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@glyph But getting back to the original point here, can you honestly look at Eu… |
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Post #AxVYThie1fj5nYbMP2 by [email protected] |
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@glyph Like, the latest state-of-the-art convenience helper for this is a butto… |
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Post #AxVgfQI9RfnyrBJBzM by [email protected] |
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@ubernostrum Eugen is asking questions about specifics of the power and control… |
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Post #AxVgfQOB5Gcr9s80Nk by [email protected] |
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@glyph Then I feel like we must be looking at different threads.And like I said… |
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Post #AxVgfQUYhXjJTf76KO by [email protected] |
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@glyph Like, just imagine if mastodon.social blocked someone or someplace over … |
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@ubernostrum I keep trying to get away from the term "decentralization&quo… |
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Post #AxVhraZV9PjcAUmyOW by [email protected] |
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@glyph My understanding is Bluesky prioritized getting up and running and bulid… |
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Post #AxVhralCRv5mkmGJd2 by [email protected] |
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@ubernostrum There are many thresholds for decentralization that the Fediverse,… |
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Post #AxVhrb3dLNpzfwt2MS by [email protected] |
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@ubernostrum There is a good-faith argument to be made that ATproto might _one … |
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@ubernostrum I mostly agree, and another way to frame this is that Bluesky made… |
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Post #AxVtW64AZZfgvUeTnk by [email protected] |
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@ubernostrum This is important because maybe the hypothesis is wrong and they w… |
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Post #AxVtW69qEUCzD5J0ds by [email protected] |
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@glyph I think it's worth turning some of the concerns on their heads.I men… |
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Post #AxVtW6FVtOkHUfxXU0 by [email protected] |
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@glyph Meanwhile, I ask a favor: do not take it as given that ATProto is “cen… |
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Post #AxVuqcL4OT1mlPuDQG by [email protected] |
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Well, it looks like my attempt to engage earnestly has completely failed here, … |
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Post #AxVuqcS9y6hP7PDsTQ by [email protected] |
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@glyph the underlying protocol supports some form of federation and many people… |
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@glyph to be fair to bsky, activitypub is a bit of a mess and not without numer… |
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@tef there are so many people on the ActivityPub side of this discourse constan… |
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Post #AxVuqcoUd4Z0EffiHg by [email protected] |
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@glyph @tef Sucking the oxygen out of the room is a great way to put it, yeah. … |
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@xgranade @glyph because designing for interop is basically shackling your prot… |
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@xgranade @glyph slack discovered this, having irc integrations means that you … |
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@tef @xgranade skill issue imho. you said right there that there are format str… |
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Post #AxVuqdCFClYvQKmgIy by [email protected] |
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@glyph @tef Didn't AIM pretty much do that back in the day? |
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Post #AxVuqdHCuJX3fj6e2a by [email protected] |
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@xgranade @glyph there was one mass patching event through an exploit that i am… |
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@tef @xgranade I can't remember the specifics right now, but, I don't t… |
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@glyph @tef This seems to be a reasonably detailed write-up from back in the da… |
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@xgranade @glyph @tef And now you know where microsoft learned the concept. |
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Post #AxWAZKfoQ1FyJqO5om by [email protected] |
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@glyph If I and others seem tetchy about this, it’s because this is not a new… |
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Post #AxWAZKlq3c4qcXCuDA by [email protected] |
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@ubernostrum Let's run back the tape a bit here.Top of thread, I said I'… |
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@ubernostrum The main claim that you opened up with in response to that is that… |
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@ubernostrum You've repeatedly returned to variations on this equivalence:&… |
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@ubernostrum But you're the one injecting "is and always will be"… |
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@glyph > But you're the one injecting "is and always will be"*… |
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@ubernostrum The reason I want 'ATproto folks' to "admit" som… |
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@ubernostrum Within the frame of "Bluesky currently has too much power in … |
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@ubernostrum Within the frame of "Stop spreading lies, Bsky does not contr… |
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@ubernostrum I'm sorry if I've given that impression. That's not re… |
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@glyph You've repeatedly said things like this post:> maybe the hypothes… |
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@glyph The main thing I find disappoint here is I've tried to explain that … |
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@glyph And I think the git/GitHub analogy is a good one. Bluesky is the GitHub … |
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@glyph The same social dynamics exist on the Mastodon network. The argument the… |
