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@navi well in the early rust for Linux days we hit this limit with the passing … |
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@kloenk @navi Back when 128 kB was the limit for argv+envp, Google was hitting … |
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@lanodan @navi I don't think that's necessarily a problem. argv[1] does… |
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@ska @lanodan @navi Nope, it's a string. execve will stop processing it at … |
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@ska @lanodan @navi And the since-abolished 128k limit was a very good thing be… |
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@dalias @ska @lanodan @navi One of those someones was Rob Pike in 2004.https://… |
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@dakkar @navi The lengths to which some people will go to insist on doing somet… |
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@dakkar alas, what we consider "complicated" is sometimes wildly diff… |
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@ska @kloenk @navi I love one of the first rational decisions here: command-lin… |
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@c0dec0dec0de That's okay, surely they version-controlled their command-lin… |
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@ska @kloenk @navi oh so _this_ philosophy is why the chromium command line loo… |
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@whitequark @kloenk @navi I don't know about Chromium, I only saw the serve… |
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@ska @kloenk @navi all the 500 intermediate processes every electron app spawns… |
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@whitequark @kloenk @navi Yup, that's a smoking gun right there. |
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@ska @kloenk @navi representative samplethese ones are actually comparatively s… |
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@ska @kloenk @navi nah what the fuck 😭😭😭 |
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@kitten @ska @navi if google does it we all are fine :p |
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@kloenk @kitten @navi tbh that was 11 years ago and I have no idea if they'… |
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@ska @kloenk @kitten @navi specifically, the arguments were compressed with gzi… |
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@ska @kloenk @kitten @navi The whole thing also illustrates neatly why "Go… |
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@ska @kloenk @navi What the hell did I just read oh my god, that is TERRIFYING.… |
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@thecatcollective @navi @kloenk "Brilliant and cursed" applies to way… |
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@ska @thecatcollective @navi isn’t technically a OS not being able to be writ… |
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@kloenk Excuse the beginner question, but: If operating systems are not to be w… |
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@thecatcollective I don’t remember anymore. Think it was something like the C… |
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@kloenk @thecatcollective even if only the compiler used for the specific OS ke… |
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@gabe @kloenk @kitten @navi Precisely, I disagree that it's just another ex… |
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@c0dec0dec0de @kloenk @navi Actually, *that* particular decision made sense: wh… |
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@thecatcollective @kloenk operating systems commonly use features that are prov… |
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@jpab @kloenk We will take a look at this, thank you!-James |
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@ska @kloenk @navi have had to work with googlers on build tooling in depth may… |
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@hipsterelectron @kloenk @navi The main insight I've acquired about how Goo… |
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@ska @hipsterelectron @navi depends. I know some of the kernel devs at google (… |
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@kloenk @hipsterelectron @navi Well the Android team is different, that's f… |
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@ska @kloenk @hipsterelectron @navi I worked at GOOG for 14 years. One of my p… |
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@ska @kloenk @navi Narrator: they were not individually completely rational and… |
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@ska @kloenk @kitten @navi Google has some odd traditions it still can't qu… |
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@ska @c0dec0dec0de @kloenk i would honestly take the configuration from stdin a… |
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@navi @kloenk @c0dec0dec0de Sending the configuration to stdin is more difficul… |
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@ska @navi @kloenk @c0dec0dec0de Putting the config in the command line *is* co… |
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@wollman @navi @kloenk @c0dec0dec0de Yup. The thing is, the way files are manag… |
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@lanodan @ska @navi Even on Linux-based operating systems, one can get strnvisx… |
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@navi @kloenk @c0dec0dec0de @ska Considering that a lot of commands parse argum… |
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@davidlsparks @kloenk @hipsterelectron @navi I envy you, grats for landing that… |
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@ska @navi @kloenk @c0dec0dec0de also google's build system caches process … |
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@sodiboo @navi @c0dec0dec0de @kloenk Remember the context: it's a cluster m… |
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@kloenk @thecatcollective @navi I don't think the permissiveness of C has a… |
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@dalias @ska @kloenk @navi individually locally rational decisions according to… |
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@hipsterelectron @dalias @ska @kloenk @navi Emergent madness. |
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@ska @navi @kloenk @c0dec0dec0de"The agent" here would be the one wri… |
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@leeloo @navi @kloenk @c0dec0dec0de It could, but me point is that involving th… |
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@ska @kloenk this broke me laughing what the fuck |
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@navi @ska same, can’t boost this enough |
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@thecatcollective @kloenk for the longest time the linux kernel was only builda… |
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@navi @thecatcollective there are still some configs that don’t build with cl… |
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@ska @kloenk @navi that's cursed |
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@dalias @lanodan @navi Oh? It's a shame, then, that there isn't an exec… |
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@ska @lanodan @navi Having them packed one-after-another in a single array is a… |
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@ska @kloenk @c0dec0dec0de oh, okay, yeah i agree |
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@sertonix @kloenk @c0dec0dec0de @ska `exec foo "$@"` doesn't help… |
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@ska @kloenk @navi oh no |
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@navi @kloenk @c0dec0dec0de @ska I mean if all arguments (including some $@ equ… |
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@ska @sodiboo @navi @kloenk and this necessarily predates k8s mechanisms like C… |
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@ska @lanodan @navi I mean, you don't need to go all the way to base64, COB… |
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@ska @kloenk @hipsterelectron @navi I hear you. I was fortunate to be hired as … |
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@c0dec0dec0de @sodiboo @navi @kloenk Absolutely. And it is likely that when k8s… |
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@c0dec0dec0de @ska @kloenk @navi Ah, but now if I'm trying to debug a probl… |
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@c0dec0dec0de @ska @kloenk @navi There's other failure modes with config fi… |
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@ska @c0dec0dec0de @kloenk @navi for example, let's say you have a web fron… |
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@ska @wollman @navi @kloenk @c0dec0dec0de before borg (circa Pentium II), it wa… |
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@trouble @wollman @navi @kloenk @c0dec0dec0de even after Borg, IIRC, all the in… |
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@dalias @ska @lanodan @navi Now I want to know if there's a Linus rant on t… |
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@sertonix @navi @kloenk @c0dec0dec0de @ska unlike many uses of pipes, you gener… |
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@ska @navi @kloenk @c0dec0dec0de Copying a config file has a number of addition… |
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@JdeBP @dalias @ska @lanodan @navi Pike's diplomatic non-answer of "Co… |
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@evana @navi @kloenk @c0dec0dec0de I swear I practically begged them to let me … |
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@ska @kloenk @naviWhen you have never heard of config files, file descriptors o… |
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@leeloo @ska @kloenk @navi Yes, but the SRE team and production tooling already… |
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@bgalehouse @ska @kloenk @naviA zipped command line was not "the answer th… |
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@leeloo @bgalehouse @kloenk @navi The context was a cluster manager sending a c… |
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@ska @bgalehouse @kloenk @naviThat makes no sense. The choice was between writi… |
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@leeloo @bgalehouse @kloenk @navi The choice was between impacting the design o… |
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@ska @leeloo @bgalehouse @kloenk @navi additional context: this cluster manager… |
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@evana @leeloo @bgalehouse @kloenk @navi Didn't Borg suffer from the same p… |
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@trouble @c0dec0dec0de @kloenk @navi Yeah, when I was there, Borg was already f… |
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@ska @c0dec0dec0de @kloenk @navi before borg, machines were not shared, your te… |
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@ska @kloenk @navi I like to refer to these types of things as historical reaso… |
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@puck @ska @kloenk @navi exactly. What this conversation is missing is the whol… |
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@trouble @puck @kloenk @navi And they do reimplement parts of the stack from ti… |
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@ska @kloenk @navi I should probably stay out of this one, but I can't help… |
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@lolcat @kloenk @navi `Don't Google build clusters mount some shared filesy… |
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@ska @kloenk @navi Thanks for the detailed response!I guess I "get" t… |
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@lolcat @kloenk @navi This thread has nothing to do with a build system! this i… |
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@ska @kloenk @navi FWIW, if I had had to use the Google build system, I likely … |
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@ska @kloenk @navi @foone Did you experience this firsthand? Google in 2018 and… |
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@stilescrisis @kloenk @navi @foone I did. It was in 2013 or 2014. |
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@ska @kloenk @navi @foone Well, there's something to be said for the monore… |
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@whitequark @kloenk @navi the value for --gpu-preferences is the sound the dev … |
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@ska @whitequark @kloenk @navi gpu_preferences.mojom is a mere 115 lines |
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@kloenk @navi @thecatcollective @ska You essentially require that unless you st… |
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@ska @navi @lanodan @dalias Why not just pass the data in through stdin? |
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@lispi314 https://social.treehouse.systems/@ska/114909188642891910 |
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@ska @navi @kitten @kloenk All to avoid a long-needed refactoring. |
