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I want to defend Wayland here and explain a crucial piece that I think people a… |
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@technobaboo Wasn't wayland notorious for breaking compatibility with VR he… |
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@tofu only GNOME, they refused to implement the DRM lease protocol like everyon… |
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Post #AwcPNyM9z7Dh18jPcm by [email protected] |
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@technobaboo This is why I mock people who use desktops, especially GNOME. |
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Post #AwcPNySBci2ZJpYE1A by [email protected] |
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@tofu for users that just want to use programs it makes sense they'd want t… |
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@technobaboo Just get a window manager (or compositor in wayland terms), and sl… |
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Post #AwcPNydsvDOju71ZFg by [email protected] |
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@tofu i get the sentiment but some people want things to run the moment they bo… |
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Post #AwcTG09dobpW5tKYFc by [email protected] |
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@BrodieOnLinux i feel that most of the comments on the recent wayland video mis… |
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@technobaboo I do think this is fairly under discussed topic, I might have to a… |
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@BrodieOnLinux i'm also worried that by trying to come up with standard set… |
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Post #AwcYOIgbIZn9ekWWOG by [email protected] |
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@technobaboo My main point with a standard protocol set is more about setting t… |
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Post #AwcYOImyuqtbyXVcKu by [email protected] |
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@BrodieOnLinux true, but i worry that minimum baseline is something that app de… |
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Post #AwcZDbVx3UMsot0QvQ by [email protected] |
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@technobaboo @BrodieOnLinux We *do* need standard sets of protocols though, it&… |
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Post #AwcZDbcKflTL8fzWs4 by [email protected] |
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@neal @BrodieOnLinux okay, but how do we do that while maintaining max compatib… |
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@technobaboo @BrodieOnLinux What applications can use and what desktop/shell co… |
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Post #AwcZeT1OjtpuIZWYbI by [email protected] |
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@neal @BrodieOnLinux no i mean like... if we have standards for desktop apps we… |
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Post #AwcbMbBVqleEJOrXto by [email protected] |
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@drakulix @neal @BrodieOnLinux I don't mind implementing xdg shell and acti… |
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Post #Awcbungfs8F0vxkMng by [email protected] |
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@drakulix @neal oh phew, what protocols do you think should be necessary? |
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Post #AwccdYHnyoCkCQSBns by [email protected] |
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@drakulix @neal also if you see set discussion could you ping me? |
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Post #AwcfUrNDwZO4ecXExc by [email protected] |
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@drakulix @BrodieOnLinux @neal I'm sooo glad I get the chance to take the s… |
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Post #AwdjpDQ8HG37nWojeC by [email protected] |
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@technobaboo Interesting, but explain this:Why are there countless X-Server app… |
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@agowa338 because the X server draws most of the stuff itself (or at least, sho… |
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Post #AwdjpDf1NtxWXhmcr2 by [email protected] |
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@technobaboo Not even microsoft did it for their WSL2. They instead used an RDP… |
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Post #AwdjpDl31UmOqObRFQ by [email protected] |
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@agowa338 oh... well yeah, rdp is absolutely something that could and should be… |
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Post #AwdkJ6J7HwSQQMmnTM by [email protected] |
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@technobaboo Well same is true for getting it to run that universally on all ot… |
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Post #AwdkJ6OmwqzihxRKJU by [email protected] |
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@agowa338 definitely same known bugs with workarounds...wayland has less comple… |
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Post #AwdkSdMlkHXbYq2YiW by [email protected] |
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@technobaboo Tbh I don't see that "less complexity" maybe because… |
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@agowa338 it's offloaded to the X server developers to a point where it was… |
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@technobaboo So there was a reason – it was just an incredibly poor one. |
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Post #AwdlLYXpNEZuXAOyBc by [email protected] |
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@soc if you're a mobile linux dev or an AR/VR dev or a car infotainment dev… |
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Post #AwdmtcIA30ztxKsYfQ by [email protected] |
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@technobaboo Too bad that Google, Meta and Tesla were so poor they seemingly co… |
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Post #AwdmtcOBgbomG1hN3o by [email protected] |
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@soc google and facebook never bothered to use wayland, the linux mobile people… |
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Post #Awdp9sEcjvB9wa6WSe by [email protected] |
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@technobaboo cough technically speaking we’ve got wayland running on Lynx now… |
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Post #Awdp9sKeNW02FGvKr2 by [email protected] |
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@elly true, but not XR Wayland yet (I'm still working on it) |
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Post #AwdpVQkjb8gz53P1zk by [email protected] |
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@technobaboo The hit desktop Linux took for that was not worth it. |
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Post #AwdpVQr7DPnROqO7wO by [email protected] |
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@soc Xorg still works for most things though |
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Post #Awe1Lfozuu4YMyVjJg by [email protected] |
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@technobaboo DW I know, I was on Google+ following FOSS devs while Mir was like… |
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Post #Awe1LfwnRuJKlA9xTM by [email protected] |
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@mehdi_benadel wait what did they mean "have depth" what |
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Post #AweEAfHwrCtKw28JyC by [email protected] |
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@technobaboo @BrodieOnLinux my entire unbiased opinion on this is, that I think… |
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@karolherbst @technobaboo @BrodieOnLinux i think it'd also make sense to ha… |
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@yukijoou @karolherbst @BrodieOnLinux headsets don't have nearly the same i… |
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@yukijoou @karolherbst @BrodieOnLinux just off the top of my head (and reading … |
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Post #AweEAjne5IcgvUzgvo by [email protected] |
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@drakulix does this make sense btw? took me like 2 hours to go through it all b… |
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Post #AweECO5vkpr8BkKjaq by [email protected] |
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@technobaboo Thank you for this. I've got my own compositor, but hadn'… |
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Post #AweECOCJN6xaVXJpXU by [email protected] |
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@overeducatedredneck ooh what compositor? |
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Post #AweEGJDnoXXUEWsx6G by [email protected] |
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@lanodan that's not as big a deal given everyone used Xorg... but yeah!! |
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Post #AweEJrONE2iP51WV7Y by [email protected] |
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@technobaboo Thank you for the excellent take. I'm unfamiliar with the wayl… |
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Post #AweEJrV6p06RPufscS by [email protected] |
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@blaise wait, solved what? do explain, in interested to hear |
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Post #AweEKo5H0hUf6s2a2a by [email protected] |
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@technobaboo @yukijoou @karolherbst @BrodieOnLinux>dialog windows (this prob… |
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@DeKrain @yukijoou @karolherbst @BrodieOnLinux agreed to both btw |
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@technobaboo https://git.sr.ht/~phaedrus/XuakeIt's a minimalist stacking wm… |
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@overeducatedredneck ooh neat, yea I'm doing fancy stuff for AR/VR with new… |
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Post #AwfDiUyBp3yFywQ7zE by [email protected] |
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@technobaboo Wayland modularity consists of one broken core and 20 hot glued ex… |
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@ity what do you mean? I literally just ran through every Wayland protocol to s… |
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@lproven it's not damaging, X11 still exists... it's unmaintained becau… |
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@pkal @tofu oof yeah i don't think gnome should dictate it, they were so pe… |
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@technobaboo wake me up when I can play my games on Wayland or when it preserve… |
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@travellator2 i've been able to play all my steam games on wayland for year… |
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@technobaboo I just want to run steam and MPV without my drivers crashing 😢W… |
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@psilonaut woah your drivers are crashing? that's def a serious bug but idk… |
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Post #AwfHq4OcuEwJhNeTWy by [email protected] |
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@technobaboo @BrodieOnLinux IOW, how do we incentivize app devs to make their a… |
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@wolf480pl @BrodieOnLinux toolkits should be doing the bulk of this work, so li… |
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@drakulix @BrodieOnLinux @technobaboo @neal remember how some protocols (like l… |
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Post #AwfI6Wj7LFOeCJ5F56 by [email protected] |
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@wolf480pllol i wish, now most screen recorders either use only the portal or h… |
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@technobaboo "there was a reason for making it this modular" -- fanta… |
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@chx that one is definitely more.. my opinion....i'm worried that any stand… |
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@drakulix so sorry i dragged you into this btw, i didn't mean to... |
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@technobaboo i mean, as long as a browser or a discord doesn't start displa… |
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@wolf480pl yep! crashes should be where your app cannot fundamentally run witho… |
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Post #AwfvHLCuPKnDrtAL5s by [email protected] |
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@drakulix @BrodieOnLinux @technobaboo @neal I actually believe ext-zones is the… |
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@technobaboo Great points, but they're unconvincing.First, the splitting wi… |
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@saiv46 i think guidelines are ok instead of hard requirements, because if you … |
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@drakulix @BrodieOnLinux @technobaboo @neal My understanding is that this would… |
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@IceWolf I don't think they're trying to kill it on desktop, you can of… |
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@IceWolf ah I can understand that, but I think enough people need it that they&… |
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@IceWolf I haven't met Wayland people like that, worst Wayland people insis… |
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@technobaboo This is depressing as hell. |
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Post #Awiaklht6jhNR23u0u by [email protected] |
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@quodvideo why? |
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@technobaboo Thank you...I've always hated Wayland because I *still* can… |
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@admin yeah.... i totally get the accessibility issues and more effort should b… |
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@lproven @technobaboo which is why X11 should live on, in parallel to wayland |
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@wolf480pl @technobaboo @lproven >> 5. It's not Unixy at all. Unix is… |
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@lispi314 @technobaboo @lproven in princiole Wayback should count, we'll se… |
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@wolf480pl @lispi314 @lproven wayback seems to be just modern DRM/libinput slap… |
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@lproven @lispi314 @wolf480pl they cargo culted webOS so hard with that one, yo… |
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@lproven @technobaboo @wolf480pl Except that there's no reason for it to br… |
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@lispi314 @technobaboo @lproven speaking of the orthogonal issue:Is it just my … |
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@wolf480pl @lispi314 @lproven exactly |
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@drakulix @neal @alwayscurious @BrodieOnLinux @technobaboo I understand you fin… |
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@matk @drakulix @neal @alwayscurious @technobaboo It sounds to me like compo… |
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@matk @drakulix @neal @alwayscurious @technobaboo ...🧵 wake people up to thi… |
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@matk @drakulix @neal @alwayscurious @technobaboo ... 🧵 work everywhere with… |
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@pq @drakulix @neal @alwayscurious @technobaboo I agree, thank you for replying… |
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@pq @drakulix @neal @alwayscurious @technobaboo 🧵 The reason why I think ext… |
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@pq @drakulix @neal @alwayscurious @technobaboo ...🧵All things considered, I… |
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@pq @drakulix @neal @alwayscurious @technobaboo ...🧵 @pq a shift towards mor… |
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@matk @pq @drakulix @neal @alwayscurious I'm extremely in favor of new UX p… |
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@pq @drakulix @neal @alwayscurious @technobaboo ...🧵 And any new protocol is… |
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@matk @drakulix @neal @alwayscurious @technobaboo Using technical means to forc… |
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@matk @drakulix @neal @alwayscurious @technobaboo I hope there will be new tool… |
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@pq @drakulix @neal @alwayscurious @technobaboo I'm also really impressed! … |
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@matk @drakulix @neal @alwayscurious @technobaboo What drives the desire to get… |
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@pq @drakulix @neal @alwayscurious @technobaboo I see those, especially the HDR… |
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@matk @pq @drakulix @alwayscurious @technobaboo The arguments about maintaining… |
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@neal @pq @drakulix @alwayscurious @technobaboo Like with systemd, which is dro… |
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@matk @pq @drakulix @alwayscurious @technobaboo I suspect that we may see a fut… |
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Post #AwozeuXuzhw6ukShv6 by [email protected] |
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@neal @matk @pq @drakulix @alwayscurious @technobabooFor those who aren’t fam… |
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Post #AwqtlxtQjoELufQMyW by [email protected] |
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@technobaboo at one point the VR target seemed important to handle, and Mir was… |
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Post #Awqtly0WJRtyGek21g by [email protected] |
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@mehdi_benadel how dies depth handling make sense |
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Post #Aws3XhICr1tr4boBFo by [email protected] |
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@technobaboo What's the context of this? |
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Post #Aws3XhQ0O28dSnSPPU by [email protected] |
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@mackuba i saw under brodie's video about why some people prefer X11 that m… |
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@technobaboo I personally wonder if XLibre could do similar to Wayland. While I… |
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Post #AwxxUXPpgdHGnMFHA8 by [email protected] |
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@msokiovt what's so broken it requires a rewrite? |
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Post #Awy0e0buoGq9oI6Y2C by [email protected] |
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@technobaboo This is a long one. Despite that, it's something from this Git… |
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Post #Awy0e0jMManMBNaUdc by [email protected] |
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@msokiovt did you read my post? half that stuff is being reimplemented in other… |
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Post #AwzoCWmGoGq8Keztrs by aa1f96f685d0ac3e28a52feb87a20399a91afb3ac3137afeb76… |
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How likley is it that Wayland is a backdoor to Linux, paid for by the EU? |
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Post #AwzoCWu4LH4uiqe81Z by [email protected] |
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@aa1f96f685d0ac3e28a52feb87a20399a91afb3ac3137afeb7698dfcc99bc454 @msokiovt 0%,… |
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Post #AyIgt8Sa3pECLtlI1Y by [email protected] |
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@technobaboo well, both LaTeX and PostScript have to render on (very) different… |
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Post #AyIgt8ZfdStoht4x4i by [email protected] |
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@technobaboo Overleaf has a succinct description of the main parts of the LaTeX… |
