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Post #Aw3S6nvV0eLj4nAWhM by [email protected] |
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I've started browsing reddit for vibe coding chat to get a better sense of … |
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Post #Aw3S6o2aaI1LQmUBkW by [email protected] |
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There are also multiple posts from folk realising they are going to need to lea… |
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Post #Aw3S6o8yCZ7nkZTHhA by [email protected] |
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I'd also double down on my earlier belief that these tools are primarily go… |
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Post #Aw3S6oEdrTf62A7oXI by [email protected] |
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A huge part of the smoke and mirrors at work is that you very quickly get what … |
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Post #Aw3S6oJxXhuoIec3pA by [email protected] |
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It makes me think about other abstractions in software and the deal you make wh… |
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Post #Aw3S6oPHDwAWZ96J72 by [email protected] |
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And the typical stacks these vibe coding tools generate also tend to use the mo… |
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Post #Aw3S6oVIrWzOrpv7VQ by [email protected] |
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I guess one way to put this would be what happens if you ask a senior engineer … |
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Post #Aw3S6obKV7oHAWjvto by [email protected] |
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Gonnae be a lot more red diffs |
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Post #Aw3S6ohi7OujUJj1qS by [email protected] |
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What I'm most concerned about as an educator is the paths to *becoming* a s… |
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Post #Aw3S6ooRiMIlpCsPLM by [email protected] |
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@sue my first stint as a junior C++ dev comes to mind. I spent days trying to f… |
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Post #Aw3S6pCCI3Ih0rzNMe by [email protected] |
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I'm still on vibe coding reddit and there's a recurring pattern in the … |
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Post #Aw3S6phkOkXOaikZXc by [email protected] |
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So people are assuming the fact that they are having to touch less of the code … |
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Post #Aw3VACQgfEBhno4EVc by [email protected] |
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@[email protected] @[email protected] when I first learned to progra… |
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@froge @sue I manage several apprentices and grads in my current role and I try… |
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Post #Aw3bOUHvf5qwyAAPx2 by [email protected] |
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@[email protected] yeah, personally I think if I had not put in the m… |
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Post #Aw3bOUNxIgfpGqzELQ by [email protected] |
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@froge I was thinking exactly about pointers to pointers in my example above :) |
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Post #Aw7jWgNGBdZR2Gv27E by [email protected] |
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@sue I think that the issue is that these tools are powerul in experienced hand… |
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Post #Aw7jWgWpc3E7VxOg2C by [email protected] |
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@rundmcollie @sue This is my horror scenario š¬š±(And i share your fear) |
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Post #Aw8xXCBtUCLSEIhXay by [email protected] |
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The challenge imo from an education perspective is defining what these core imp… |
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Post #Aw8xXCJL2WIebOBUCO by [email protected] |
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In my first attempt at a tutorial yesterday I explained little more than the se… |
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Post #Aw8xXCPienP6vBAa92 by [email protected] |
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In terms of defining those core skills that'll remain important, I do not c… |
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Post #Aw8xXCW6H4VZEy9g5g by [email protected] |
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@sue @gvwilson setting up a dev environment is absolutely a core skill. For me,… |
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Post #Aw8xXCcps1tbZrJ3aa by [email protected] |
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@sue @gvwilson ādevelopment environment setupā is just mise en place for pr… |
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Post #Aw8xXCjDUJ03teI9XE by [email protected] |
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@glyph @sue @gvwilson A mild divergence of opinion from experience, but setting… |
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Post #Aw8xXCpb6a6WDRHFTs by [email protected] |
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@mhoye @sue @gvwilson broadly I agree but there are a ton of nuanced and fiddly… |
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Post #Aw8xXCwggDm8ZQauX2 by [email protected] |
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@mhoye @sue @gvwilson The reduction to absurdity of this problem is instruction… |
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Post #Aw8xXD3mFrRkvPuZaC by [email protected] |
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@glyph @sue @gvwilson So... it's true that there are a zillion ways that se… |
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Post #Aw8xXD9ntSGdE6jNya by [email protected] |
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@mhoye @glyph @sue @gvwilson I think Nix is the only decent solution I know of.… |
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Post #Aw8xXDMZ80TXrghZrs by [email protected] |
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@glyph @sue @gvwilson (To your point about the mise-en-place and consistency, g… |
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Post #Aw8xdXCWHfML8315dI by [email protected] |
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@mhoye @glyph @sue @gvwilson but honestly, using VMs for everything is actually… |
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Post #Aw9soraoVE30wgvFmC by [email protected] |
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@sue I've heard several people worry about this, and yet I've worked wi… |
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Post #Aw9soriy0uZNLyjlU8 by [email protected] |
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@gabrielesvelto @sue ... but the kinds of people the world actually needs to be… |
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Post #Aw9ss2rH4fGikn8gHg by [email protected] |
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@realn2s @sue itās not a fear, more of an inevitablity. Itās happening in l… |
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Post #Aw9su9naEz9crHQ5Dc by [email protected] |
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There's also an ai product from ex faang employees designed to "finish… |
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Post #Aw9su9uJpwXfCAZSiW by [email protected] |
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What you've done there is set up a doomed consultancy |
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@sue Iād watch at least one season of that show |
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Another fun repeated theme in these spaces is folk who are coders and are manag… |
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Post #Aw9suEwH864sngWaxc by [email protected] |
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So tldr it's just a big fucking cocktail of people who don't respect ot… |
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@mhoye @glyph @sue @gvwilson I think I disagree, although only partially. I thi… |
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Post #Aw9t0kROv1QmEvBdvU by [email protected] |
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@mhoye @glyph @sue @gvwilson At the same time, though, that depends on a good d… |
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And today a post about a tool that turns a "messy" prompt into a &quo… |
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Post #Aw9t15Cvi1Kie7Zsmm by [email protected] |
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@sue I can't shake the memory of a guy at our office who was one of the fir… |
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@sue And that's the thing. LLMs are very good at writing code that is alrea… |
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Post #Aw9t15lJeAq4MlfLNo by [email protected] |
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The prompts are a high level programming language, I don't believe that wil… |
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Post #Aw9t16LTTjlKAuaDk8 by [email protected] |
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One of the replies to the compiler thing was "why not just get chatgpt to … |
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Post #Aw9t4xAPXtvEroFGBE by [email protected] |
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@sue @yvonnezlam I saw this post out of context yet immediately inferred the su… |
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Post #Aw9t7Q3H7i7l1z5Dnc by [email protected] |
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@mhoye @glyph @sue @gvwilson That "one automated step" is not useful … |
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Post #Aw9t7QAMhLnNNyOsqm by [email protected] |
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@mhoye @glyph @sue @gvwilson From my perspective, what we need is a rigorous wa… |
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@dalias @glyph @sue @gvwilson I understand your argument, but that logic cente… |
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@mhoye @glyph @sue @gvwilson I think I disagree with that view on a very fundam… |
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@mhoye That's roughly the position of the "Reproducible Builds" m… |
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@sue As a "Real Programmer(tm)" I'm super annoyed by just how *ha… |
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@rolenthedeep @sue There was the thing where people were doing dependency injec… |
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@rundmcollie yep I can see that, it's worrying me in terms of pathways into… |
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@sue I think itāll be a few years before employers realise the problem. The f… |
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@sue FWIW Worked with a designer recently who uses vibe coding to quickly make … |
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@sue I dunno, the dogshit dev work flows I've had to slog through are consi… |
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Post #Aw9tQJ9T0Brf8HzCWe by [email protected] |
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@sue In a lot of cases setting up the dev environment is so much more work than… |
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@hl hard same, it annoys the hell out of me because it scares people away from … |
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@sue I tinker with code; am no longer a full time developer, and get chunks of … |
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@offby1 @mhoye @sue @gvwilson I don't think this is really in conflict? I t… |
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@sue After the dot-com bubble burst, I made very good money for several years c… |
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Post #Aw9u46l0VIk2H7WW2q by [email protected] |
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@glyph @mhoye @sue @gvwilson "a common baseline that *works* to begin with… |
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@sue Yes, it feels like so much time spent on a 'none core' part of the… |
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@sue Yeah, for me that's what the Lean people call "necessary waste&qu… |
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@sue There were a couple of occasions where I've guided mid-level devs thro… |
