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So. In programming there is a standard notion of:453 # This is a decimal number… |
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@mcc what about putting spaces in the string? I feel like it's not very oft… |
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I'm currently thinking this is best done another way, if for no other reaso… |
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@mcc It's a great idea!0eš²š # 134807155789 |
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Noteā The above is all nonsense but I need to simultaneously refute two uncle… |
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@mcc ruby has things like thisspecifically, it lets you use emacs escape sequen… |
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@catsalad @mcc Oh that's cursed. Lmao |
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Post #AvrfszX28ClATdVucK by [email protected] |
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@mcc I would say yes, it's a sin, for the main reason of, you would need to… |
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Post #AvrfszftbFqgv7ezQm by [email protected] |
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@mcc (let alone unused codes such as 157) |
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Post #Avrftf7zThgRU87VPk by [email protected] |
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@mcc I like the idea, but you could have spaces inside literals at that point, … |
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Post #AvrfuXEaJP2nIDcXBo by [email protected] |
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@mcc how would you even find out the last digit? |
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@frikinin whitespace or an expression-ender like ,Actually, come to think of it… |
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Post #AvrfuXUtKm5W6nFYbg by [email protected] |
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@mcc @mcc Why is that not base 1114112? |
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Post #AvrfufMK6VzIUXIpMW by [email protected] |
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@mcc yes. I love it. |
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@mcc yes you are committing a sin against the human mind. But only because we w… |
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Post #AvrfwROF0msjkL2uci by [email protected] |
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@pbarker It ends when you hit whitespace. That's pretty simple |
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Post #AvrfxLVyLEL9oX5sRs by [email protected] |
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@mcc @frikinin time to invent the null terminator all over again |
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Post #Avrfz18V4zMNBqubIm by [email protected] |
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@mcc ASCII would be base-128 though.mksh has this as "base-1" numbers… |
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@mcc Intel chips are little-endian, but network traffic is naturally big-endian… |
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Post #AvrfzLY3BhgIUt1Hu4 by [email protected] |
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@mcc One potential issue is that ASCII includes a lot of unprintable characters… |
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Post #Avrg1Wd0xmrnRNNesq by [email protected] |
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@mcc [menacing non-printable noises] |
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Post #Avrg2A8a4MI1yZRv04 by [email protected] |
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@mirabilos Depending on how your lexer/reader works, the ASCII could be intersp… |
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Post #Avrg2AEFjGpKGA6RqC by [email protected] |
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@mcc yah well, even the form in mksh is a horror for parsing and escaping (ksh9… |
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Post #Avrg5d3N16s4WffIEC by [email protected] |
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@[email protected] Oh no I think TempleOS (out of all things) had this |
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Post #Avrg6TC1ACgaEY6vvU by [email protected] |
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@mauvedeity Identifiers in this language are a special case of strings |
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Post #Avrg6TIklA4cZRGJQO by [email protected] |
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@mcc Oh, OK. Didnāt realise youād thought of that. I am kind of looking for… |
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Post #Avrg6ljeDuHXk3z2qO by [email protected] |
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@mcc back in BeOS I think we had ābeosā for 32 bit constants, but iirc gcc … |
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Post #Avrg6lr5mEEk79SzRo by [email protected] |
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@mikaeleiman This was a fundamental element of Mac OS 6 programming. |
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Post #Avrg7K90I8laSY6m5Q by [email protected] |
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@mcc Yes ! |
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Post #Avrg811MsPCzRJrmee by [email protected] |
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@mcc I should have made the sarcastic tone of my post a bit clearer. |
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Post #Avrg8nMH9ySBM419uK by [email protected] |
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@mcc ASCII is base 128 surely? It is a 7-bit standard. |
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Post #Avrg9SPuVMiqhD28lU by [email protected] |
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@mcc is ascii ok in today's global Internet it do you need unicode? |
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Post #AvrgCAGURx0fGduzPE by [email protected] |
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@rabidchaos @mcc base64 literals could be nice to have, but wouldnāt allow ju… |
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Post #AvrgChMJPKH5uFtbYu by [email protected] |
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@mcc multi-char constants but _not_ based on the host endianness, i dig it. |
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Post #AvrgFiXnSPZcS1huvQ by [email protected] |
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@ShadSterling @rabidchaos I actually have very specific rules in my projects ab… |
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Post #AvrgFieX3MxemurIQK by [email protected] |
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@mcc @rabidchaos good! Having a way to restrict a literal to ASCII-only might … |
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@mcc @rabidchaos oops that wasnāt in this thread, but these confusables: http… |
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@mcc I think it's reasonable (if "reasonable" even applies here) … |
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@mauvedeity It'sā¦ it's got a couple interesting ideas in it, I don… |
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@mauvedeity What I said above was a little misleadingā in the S-expression, i… |
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@mcc If you strictly define the alphabet to just be 0-9, A-Z, a-z, and _ then y… |
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@mcc maybe quotes I think. And at the end you could allow "be" or &qu… |
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@mcc Yes, because in ASCII, only code points 32 through 127 are reasonably well… |
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@[email protected] @[email protected] The other reason this is a sin is that A… |
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@mcc oh, I wouldnāt use it for anything practical, Iāve got Python3 for tha… |
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@mauvedeity I've been doing this project (on hold) where I try to do the 25… |
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@mcc see now youāre applying rules whereas the others are just āwhat follow… |
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@godofbiscuits Yeah I'm uhhh actually literally writing a programming langu… |
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@mcc Octal is usually prepended by just a zero, without any letters, so 0453 is… |
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Poll:I'm writing a programming language interpreter. I support alternate ba… |
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@mcc if you're intending it primarily for interactive use, I'd permit o… |
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@mcc I would probably discard leading zeros and raise a warning. |
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@mcc Nvm, interpreter not compiler |
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@mccDo you want to rais an error if someone writes 0x001? |
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@zerbp @mcc I thought the same. I very often align ācomputer numbersā (hex,… |
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@mcc If the target audience for your language is likely to be familiar with C o… |
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@mcc ASCII? How quaint. Unicode is much more sensible, and you get 20 bits per … |
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@Pashhur Unicode is confusing in this context because it does not have an unamb… |
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@mcc the biggest issue with leading zeroes is that the classic convention is th… |
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@mcc i figured you knew what you were doing. It felt like you were undervaluin… |
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@mcc Not being able to write hex constants the full size of the datatype would … |
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@mcc in isolation i feel either is fine but if itās an error there should be … |
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@mcc go all-in and require all decimal numbers to be 0d11 |
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@mcc I also quite like languages letting you put digit separators in. Oh, I lik… |
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@mcc if you use only symbolic unix file permissions, it's probably less imp… |
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@mcc I always liked the way Forth did it.You specified the base with a keyword … |
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@mcc i have used a language where leading zeroes are a syntax error because of … |
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@mcc i had forgotten which language this was and had to look it up and of cours… |
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@mcc anyways my feeling is that making this a syntax error is extremely surpris… |
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Post #AvrnWr5vcS9zZWn7Kq by [email protected] |
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@zerbp No, and that's a very clarifying question |
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@mcc @zerbp then you will need to throw one on 0O65 - I.e ban uppercase variant… |
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@greg sincerely I considered it (not requiring this, but allowing it) |
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@steely_glintI would not permit upper case for Any of the variants. I find lowe… |
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@mcc once upon a time, I was writing mods for a web browser game, scraping the … |
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@mcc I would expect 0b00011111 or 0x0100 to be valid.Iād be OK with treating … |
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@oblomov @mcc I know itās classic convention, but no matter how many times Iļæ½… |
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@mcc 0.79 š |
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@benjohn yeah, I'm leaning to _ as it seems to be the standard |
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@uliwitness @mcc this was going to be my answer too - if the social context len… |
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@mcc raise an error because this is invalid base 0 |
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@jrose This is good thinking.On that final point tho: If you're an old enou… |
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@mcc @jrose this feels like a potential lint |
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@mcc @Pashhur How about Unicode UTF-32 specifically? |
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@gutmunchies @mcc this is because of Pythonās mistake, not Cās mistake. Pyt… |
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@benjohn @mcc That's going on my todo list for my language project. |
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@dandylyons @Pashhur that's an option in some cases, but doesn't corres… |
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@jrose @mcc you could add 0d for when you want to express decimal with leading … |
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@jrose @mcc ah. yes, you've convinced us; we'd like to change our vote.… |
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@swetland @benjohnperl -e 'print 1_000_000'1000000So satisfyingā¦What … |
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@megmac @jrose @mcc I lean toward allowing leading zeros on "plain" d… |
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Post #AvtIQliA0rdEsLDAmG by [email protected] |
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@mcc Base 128, surely? |
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@acb @botahamec It seems like Mastodon is not displaying my own reply to this p… |
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@mcc Using 0o## for octal avoids the leading-zeros landmine nicely. And remind… |
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@swetland I think Ruby does it? There's some existing language that does jt |
