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#wayback, a small project gluing together wayland components to turn Xwayland i… |
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also, long term i do not wish to maintain this. but I will help to get it goin… |
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Post #AvcX5dMo2PAsXWHi64 by [email protected] |
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@ariadne tbh i wonder about the long-term viability of this approach if more th… |
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Post #AvcX5dTtc2qUtVbN9E by [email protected] |
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@cb that part is easy, we just proxy wayland to X |
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Post #AvcX5dZvFdfNCCQBXc by [email protected] |
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@ariadne @cb Yeah that's my plan. If there are apps that insist on being wa… |
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Post #AvcX670roXS0UAFc48 by [email protected] |
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@ariadne looking at the code I can't see anything special that enables you … |
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@Mae xwayland does support (and require) a window manager. wayland compositor … |
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Post #AvcX7SgCk8plyPEIWO by [email protected] |
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@Mae @ariadne you can totally run a full X11 window manager inside Cage+XWaylan… |
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Post #AvcX7v3vDYRW04XdNQ by [email protected] |
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@ariadne That's actually really interesting ngl. |
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Post #AvcX8wfgij5NHRhBUO by [email protected] |
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@ariadne wait, but surely this just ignores all the features that wayland inten… |
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Post #AvcX8wliMJuFa8Vzsm by [email protected] |
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@ireneista what do you mean? it’s a rootful X implementation. all features … |
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@ariadne we think we may not properly understand what xwayland doescursor warpi… |
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Post #AvcX8wy7cBpaCcJuDo by [email protected] |
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@ireneista yes, xwayland in rootful mode supports all of this |
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Post #AvcX8x4VESw2WPJ0AS by [email protected] |
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@ariadne @ireneista so I guess a fairly normal wayland environment exists under… |
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Post #AvcX9Kq8rVhyEols7E by [email protected] |
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@ariadne wow, so an X server with only one source file? that's awesome! |
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Post #AvcX9KwsST60ZhvFc8 by [email protected] |
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@tusooa no, Xwayland acts as X server. this just replaces all of the DDX stuff… |
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Post #AvcXBZ92eEp7BOfujY by [email protected] |
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@ariadne but it runs within a wayland server, right? how is that possible when … |
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Post #AvcXBZG8DsUjXNzZmi by [email protected] |
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@ireneista @ariadne it's possible because Xwayland can be run in rootful mo… |
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Post #AvcXFejzmfi9hGuUxU by [email protected] |
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This sounds even wackier than forking XorgI love it |
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Post #AvcXJWgPgVRvrf51hA by [email protected] |
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@ariadne display part works on Apple silicon devices like a charm. No tearing (… |
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@ireneista @ariadne AIUI it's an X server that just uses wayland as the gra… |
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Post #AvcXJprONuWNLDMYwi by [email protected] |
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@dalias @ariadne huh. so it's not constrained by the wayland protocol's… |
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@ireneista @dalias the only thing i can think of that might be a problem is cur… |
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Post #AvcXJq35gPsXvUpuBE by [email protected] |
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@ariadne @dalias that seems like a reasonable path forward if it's doable, … |
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Post #AvcXJq8lLKPqD5UR1M by [email protected] |
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@ariadne @dalias well, fingers crossed |
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Post #AvcXJqEmyvEiVmJFPk by [email protected] |
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@ireneista @dalias what “upstream”? the only things which matter is if Xwa… |
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Post #AvcXK8IdpL0sWwFZuy by [email protected] |
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@ariadne This is such an awesome project, best of luck! |
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@ariadne Edit: TIL that tinywl is CC0 licensed. Original: CC0… wut. I admire … |
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Post #AvcXNiztqHWZDOCGAK by [email protected] |
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@colinstu it is based on CC0-licensed reference wlroots compositor. |
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@ariadne I thought that was MIT licensed? |
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Post #AvcXP01k0mwCJyfLVI by [email protected] |
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@Mae @ariadne There was no need to do it as long as xorg server was being maint… |
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Post #AvcXRsQ0ky7FanOF2u by [email protected] |
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@ariadne nice, finally reasonable solutions |
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Post #AvcXX3YykT1PbZ3R5c by [email protected] |
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@Mae @ariadne Wayland/ex-X devs have been saying for a while now that this is T… |
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@ireneista @ariadne Wayland doesn't have any deep fundamental limits, all t… |
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Post #AvcXZsbrvgJcVCkiOG by [email protected] |
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@ariadne Neat! Can Wayland-native apps run alongside it? |
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Post #AvcXc5Bi8RnK5kZG8e by [email protected] |
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@ariadne @ireneista @dalias Pointer warp will be supported in Xwayland as long … |
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@neal @ariadne @dalias oh good! |
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Post #AvcXh8L5qWHLJUMfia by [email protected] |
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@ariadne @dalias we were thinking of the rendering code, but as long as it does… |
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@ireneista @dalias @ariadne Reduce code duplication and bypass all the bugs and… |
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@Mae @ariadne couple years ago I asked one of the Xorg core devs why they hadn&… |
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@zwol @Mae @ariadne Well, it was until very recently. Rootful Xwayland was pret… |
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@neal @zwol @Mae yeah i’m just doing the last piece of the puzzle basically |
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@ariadne as an old git who accepts the need for change but doesn't actually… |
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@colinstu wlroots is MIT, tinywl is CC0 |
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@ariadne oh nice, this is how you pulled off the windowmaker on wayland thing y… |
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Post #AvcYbOAkAMVadSLeqG by [email protected] |
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@ariadne @dalias and thank you for the effort, no matter what happens |
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@ariadne wayback is a cool name too! |
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@dalias @ariadne @cb Yeah, it shouldn't really be that hard to create a ser… |
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@ariadne would i be right to assume that this wouldn't work with the xf86 d… |
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@argv_minus_one no, it is X only. but someone could make a wayland proxy compo… |
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@ids1024Wayland clients managed by an X window manager would be the ultimate pa… |
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@ariadne is there anything that does it the other way around, allowing me to ru… |
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@mirabilos Weston does, but AFAIK it's only rootful |
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@fuchsiii @ariadne +9001%I think that #Wayback as a #Xwayland-#shim will allow … |
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@ytvwld huh? The description on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_(protocol… |
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@mirabilosWeston has an X11 backend, so you can weston --backend X11, then targ… |
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@ariadne oooh, this is very exciting! i might try to run it |
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@ytvwld @algernon ok… rootful would be quite a waste and lack of integration,… |
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@mirabilos @algernon Microsoft modified Weston to run it rootless for WSL, but … |
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@dramforever OT, but, some time between bullseye and trixie, libinput’s chang… |
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@mirabilos @dramforever if acceleration's turned off it's not quite as … |
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@redsakana @ids1024 @ariadne @cb For general desktop (or worse, phone) use case… |
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@dramforever @ariadne it would make use of libinput in the compositor (the host… |
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@orowith2os @ariadne afaict libinput still doesn't have full feature parity… |
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@dramforever @ariadne my point is that you'll need to look at the composito… |
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@dotstdy @ariadne right, yes, we're not under the impression that these ar … |
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@dramforever it is correct that X drivers are not supported. |
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@ariadne i'm just happy i get to keep running lxde, which was the only reas… |
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@ariadne ok. But why? 🤔 |
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@RubenKelevra to keep X-based desktop environments working while allowing us to… |
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@ariadne okay... but why? 🤔I mean why would any desktop environment want to … |
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@RubenKelevra it isn't a matter of wanting to use X11 or not, but a matter … |
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@ariadne @RubenKelevra biggest thing stopping me using Wayland is my window man… |
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@quixoticgeek @ariadne which Window Manager do you use? |
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@RubenKelevra @ariadne evilwm. I've used it for about two decades, and it&#… |
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@quixoticgeek @ariadne curious. Such a small project should be pretty quickly p… |
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@RubenKelevra @ariadne motivation of the developers. Last change on GitHub is 1… |
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@quixoticgeek @ariadne meh. Time for AI to finally deliver what's promised,… |
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@RubenKelevra @quixoticgeek @ariadne also idk if it really is a as quick as “… |
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@janvhs @quixoticgeek @ariadne most of the stuff the xserver like window decora… |
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@RubenKelevra @janvhs @quixoticgeek what are you talking about?the deprecated f… |
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@ariadne so it's about running decades old desktop environments with basica… |
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@RubenKelevra we literally have data supporting that people do in fact use thes… |
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@ariadne cool, can I get a link? |
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@RubenKelevra popcon.debian.org |
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@ariadne @RubenKelevra unfortunately some older gpus currently accelerated unde… |
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@q66 @RubenKelevra we intend to add the necessary plumbing to make Xinerama wor… |
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@ariadne @RubenKelevra oh, neat, is that going to work backwards too :p (eg xra… |
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@q66 @RubenKelevra yes, that's the plan!regarding legacy GPUs, it should be… |
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@ariadne @RubenKelevra you can already run a compositor with shm+pixman but tha… |
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@q66 @RubenKelevra my point here is that these problems are likely solvable, bu… |
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@ariadne @RubenKelevra same reason pipewire pretends to be pulseaudio pretendin… |
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@virtulis @ariadne well, but correctly if I'm wrong, they don't pretent… |
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@RubenKelevra @virtulis it is the same thing here. that wayback uses wayland +… |
