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Exasperated and disturbed the new IP license in the Mastodon TOS has no termina… |
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I think IP termination clauses are really important! I spent two full years thr… |
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@mcc are these terms instance specific or are they widely applicable to others? |
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@dvandal They are instance specific. But what I don't know is whether there… |
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@mcc when I get a moment I’ll see if I can figure out if that is a boilerplat… |
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@mcc I think the part you're referencing is under the Intellectual Property… |
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@mcc Okay, finally took the time to reach through and compare a bit as well as … |
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Post #AvE6dlrvZcUqCJrAie by [email protected] |
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@mcc @dvandal I find it difficult to understand, in the instance TOS, the IP cl… |
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@borisschapira @dvandal The old terms, or the new terms announced today and tak… |
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Post #AvE6dm5OlXGus69viS by [email protected] |
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@mcc @dvandal https://mastodon.social/terms-of-service/2025-07-01 |
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Post #AvE6dmBQP85nAmyk6q by [email protected] |
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@borisschapira @dvandal "The Instance contains content provided by its use… |
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@mcc @dvandal Yes, I read that. But there is not definition of "users"… |
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@borisschapira @dvandal I think this would be a contrived reading of the licens… |
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Post #AvE6dmUDHH7a73lkOW by [email protected] |
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@mcc @dvandal but if that's the case, how can they handle federated content… |
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Post #AvE6dmZswBesOeQHEe by [email protected] |
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@borisschapira @dvandal "They need some kind of rights to use, copy, store… |
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Post #AvE6dmfuZmTkhLF5d2 by [email protected] |
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@mcc @borisschapira @dvandal I suspect the issue is that you (the content creat… |
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Post #AvE7ID6TjckeFQwgxU by [email protected] |
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@jerry @borisschapira @dvandal In my opinion this is flat out nonsense. Mastodo… |
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@mcc @borisschapira @dvandal I'm not an attorney, but I worked for one for … |
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@jerry @mcc @borisschapira @dvandal Sorry to hop in, but on first gloss, the ph… |
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@mttaggart @mcc @borisschapira @dvandal I'm not sure it's an unreasonab… |
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Post #AvE9bckGp6SRBWwVrU by [email protected] |
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@jerry @mttaggart @borisschapira @dvandal You are writing fanfic. You are makin… |
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Post #AvE9bcr0Q3qTWQ5tMO by [email protected] |
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@jerry @mttaggart @borisschapira @dvandal My assumption is if a dispute over th… |
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If a user deletes content, should their server be responsible for what happens … |
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Post #AvEAQmi9WvVirWLbwe by [email protected] |
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@BenAveling @mcc @mttaggart @borisschapira @dvandal should they be held respons… |
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Post #AvEH4d5lJSFgKxm0ki by [email protected] |
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@mcc One question I have: is it technically possible, given the limitations of … |
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Post #AvEH4dC8vjM8ekl6hM by [email protected] |
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@unlambda You can federate a deletion. I don't see why any more than this w… |
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Post #AvEH4dIAZKB0xRZv5k by [email protected] |
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@unlambda As the IP status of federation is informal *EVEN UNDER THE NEW MASTOD… |
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Post #AvEH4dNqEEiJF2ERvs by [email protected] |
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@mcc There are some musings on the topic that @sarahjamielewis is making here: … |
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Post #AvEH4dUvnsNvb1Y6z2 by [email protected] |
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@unlambda @sarahjamielewis My expectation is that if the Mastodon license were … |
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Post #AvEH4dabSmvDscCdpA by [email protected] |
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@mcc @unlambda The ToS makes explicit reference to automated service interactio… |
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Post #AvEHLzURI5Kcj5aubQ by [email protected] |
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@sarahjamielewis @unlambda Well, I'll have to read that more carefully befo… |
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@mcc @sarahjamielewis I think that on closer reading, I'm inclined to agree… |
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Post #AvERyeXc6vVAae9ZeC by [email protected] |
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@unlambda @mcc At best its legally murky in scope (see https://neilzone.co.uk/2… |
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Post #AvEhMNsjCTzrBTnsUy by [email protected] |
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Update:Mastodon has checked its alarming new TOS into git as the new TOS templa… |
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I've posted a Github issue outlining why I'm freaked out at the word &q… |
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@mcc I fully support your work on this and hope it works out better for us user… |
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@mcc Putting their instance's ToS in the shared software repo which other i… |
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@dalias I think distributing a "known good" default ToS is a good ide… |
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@mcc @dalias we'd be happy to help write something like that. of course it … |
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@ireneista @mcc I mean maybe kinda, but I very much question the degree to whic… |
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@ireneista @mcc Basically "no abuse, we have moderation policies, your pos… |
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@dalias @mcc that makes sensepersonally, for our own stuff, we draw a hard line… |
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@ireneista @dalias @mcc Im not sure who or what McKinsey is referring to here. … |
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@TommyTorty10 @dalias @mcc well, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKinsey_%26_Com… |
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@ireneista @dalias @mcc thank you! |
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@mcc the irrevocable aspect seems in conflict with EU’s “right to be forgot… |
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@mcc I don't think a termination clause is *possible* on a distributed soci… |
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@rcombs The IP license grant is between me and Mastodon gGMBH. No other parties… |
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@rcombs Moreover, if Mastodon *did* grant a license to federated servers (which… |
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@mcc I've just read it and it seems to work exactly the way I had understoo… |
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@rcombs There is no reason why the license granted to mirroring servers needs t… |
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@mcc they do not have a *legal* means of revoking it; the existing implicit con… |
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@rcombs If Mastodon gGMBH has not granted a license to federated servers, and I… |
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@rcombs If Mastodon gGmbH, in consultation with their lawyers, concludes they n… |
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@mcc @rcombs i do not think you should have a means to revoke a license to stor… |
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@mcc like, the protocol was designed before the TOS, so the TOS has to be compa… |
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@mcc the license they grant to other instances isn't written out here becau… |
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@mcc @rcombs a guarantee of federated delete is 100% impossible. What seems rea… |
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@mcc excellent job writing up the issue! |
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@mcc what, if any, instances are out there that have better TOS? I'm with y… |
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@adanielroth Well, one week ago mastodon.social had a better TOS. I guess we… |
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@mcc @adanielroth There is a current of thought that migrating between instance… |
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@Moss @adanielroth Okay. I don't agree, for two reasons:- When you migrate … |
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@Moss @adanielroth I do acknowledge people use social networks in different way… |
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@mcc @adanielroth Permanence is inherently at odds with using an instance owned… |
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@Moss @adanielroth Well, as I think I said above, if I leave mastodon.social I … |
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@mcc @adanielroth Certainly, but the landscape has changed dramatically between… |
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@mcc I know that it is one of your Magical Girl Abilities, but I nonetheless wa… |
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@mcc also, I am too dumb to understand all the nuance here, but I'd be surp… |
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@ChateauErin @danwing @BrianEnigma I think this thread is a *very* clear summar… |
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@mcc @ChateauErin @danwing @BrianEnigma erasing direct personal identifiers doe… |
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@exa @mcc @ChateauErin @danwing @BrianEnigma That is indeed often insufficient,… |
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@mcc hmm i wonder how a non-perpetual license works out in the federated case w… |
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@dotstdy I don't care if the content is out there. I only care whether I ha… |
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@mcc @dotstdy You have that under GDPR rules (if they apply to you). Whatever t… |
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@derickr @mcc @dotstdy Copyright and data protection are two very different leg… |
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@derickr @mcc @dotstdy When it comes to GDPR protection in this context, two qu… |
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@derickr @mcc @dotstdy Regarding the second question, it's important to not… |
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@derickr @mcc @dotstdy In conclusion, the GDPR ensures that (save for certain e… |
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@derickr @mcc @dotstdy For anyone interested in diving deeper (besides reading … |
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@jerry ICYMI |
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@webhat thanks. I don't know how it could be revocable without exposing th… |
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@jerry no idea, I just wanted to share, incase you got questions |
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@webhat thank you! |
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@mcc @mttaggart @borisschapira @dvandal ok |
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@mcc Thanks for raising this! It's also an impressive wall of text. How lon… |
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@tjammer uh a bit over an hour, but honestly, large sections of it are adapted … |
