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Post #AuQX5MnzEfc7TepuL2 by [email protected] |
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RMS printer moment, but it's about my fridge failing to run the ice maker f… |
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Post #AuQX5MvmlfqtrqU8Ui by [email protected] |
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Yeah great ok the manufacturer also has no ability to patch my fridge but how d… |
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Post #AuQX5N3EJzo6Evy568 by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 While I agree with the sentiment, I am suddenly thinking that software r… |
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Post #AuQX5N9bwGuYYixB2m by [email protected] |
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@liw I actually have a bunch of use cases for wanting to modify that, which pus… |
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Post #AuQX5NFHbBRqqJbhsu by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 @liw Are there any secure elements that are usable without signing an ND… |
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Post #AuWnY0v8RhAADScaGW by [email protected] |
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@Suiseiseki whoops, managed to post as a top level rather than a reply, but:The… |
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Post #AuWnY12vyhOwbeGoQC by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 @Suiseiseki I'm told this argument did work, quite usefully, once.So… |
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Post #Aup76kyL82CArZgACm by [email protected] |
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@Suiseiseki @freetar Not at all - traditionally CPUs would simply start executi… |
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Post #Aup76rlTsF4JviiUdM by [email protected] |
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@freetar @Suiseiseki "In aspects that relate to their design, those things… |
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Post #Aup76sY2xfuuMLRHKi by [email protected] |
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@freetar @Suiseiseki further, the description of microcode may have been true i… |
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Post #Aup76wKMuTLu554PZI by [email protected] |
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@Suiseiseki and if it contains a ROM encoding CPU instructions, it also contain… |
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Post #Aup76xn7T3wccXWt1M by [email protected] |
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@freetar @Suiseiseki yeah this is a ridiculous position to hold and results in … |
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Post #Aup76yPl9OqwYNbkFU by [email protected] |
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@freetar @Suiseiseki software in ROM is still software, just as software on a C… |
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Post #Aup76zILsQWPHh9LLE by [email protected] |
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@Suiseiseki If I give you a computer that only has a CD drive and the computer … |
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Post #Aup7700fDfy1V7sjPU by [email protected] |
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@Suiseiseki Hardware executes things. Software is what is executed. Making soft… |
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Post #Aup770pi9sng3RlUye by [email protected] |
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@Suiseiseki So there's no need for a device that boots from CD to run free … |
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Post #Aup771ZnOXfCMNKIoC by [email protected] |
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@Suiseiseki It seems like the FSF disagrees with you - RYF hardware can't i… |
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Post #Aup775Ucphu8VUwEIy by [email protected] |
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@freetar @Suiseiseki what has changed is that microcode is now software targeti… |
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Post #Aup776IxoYAd1cUQlc by [email protected] |
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@freetar @Suiseiseki so a computer booting from a pressed CD isn't running … |
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Post #Aup776vxTZMWyYjZY0 by [email protected] |
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@Suiseiseki It's talking about CPU microcode, which is stored in ROM. |
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Post #Aup77UVXpQUi5aYoi0 by [email protected] |
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@Suiseiseki "This can include, for instance, microcode inside a processor,… |
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Post #Aup77cTiC7mWoDlSxk by [email protected] |
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@Suiseiseki so why does the FSF call it software? |
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Post #Aup77gWLAIGFLX1ccC by [email protected] |
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@Suiseiseki "The exception applies to software delivered inside auxiliary … |
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Post #Aup77hHqJgG5irFYem by [email protected] |
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@Suiseiseki so, by the FSF's definition, my fridge contains software |
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Post #Aup77oCQcD5RA5lpgm by [email protected] |
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@freetar @Suiseiseki software doesn't stop being software if it's on a … |
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Post #Aup77vfkpZhiL4Xqs4 by [email protected] |
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@Suiseiseki @freetar systems should be designed such that there is no immutable… |
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Post #Aup7863WE4egXfjyIi by [email protected] |
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@Suiseiseki you're ignoring the bit where software in ROM is called software |
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Post #Aup786eO1096O0zPlY by [email protected] |
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@Suiseiseki the CPU microcode ROM contains software, as the FSF makes clear. |
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Post #Aup78VMA9tQJ0jeiKe by [email protected] |
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I'm not the FSF and I don't speak for it, but, technically, IMHO, it… |
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Post #Aup78VStkqoLLco5pY by [email protected] |
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@lxo @freetar @Suiseiseki The perspective I take is that someone choosing to de… |
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Post #Aup78VZzKUTxhc7ksi by [email protected] |
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I'll call that bullshit. it's not like hardware makers really care abo… |
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Post #Aup78VgivRs02VH8Nc by [email protected] |
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@lxo @freetar @Suiseiseki I don't think expectations have anything to do wi… |
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Post #Aup78VnSWPG2NOQVsW by [email protected] |
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your obsession with hitting the FSF seems to get you very confused as to the po… |
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Post #Aup78VtUA04ug5FKGu by [email protected] |
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@lxo @freetar @Suiseiseki We're talking about material that even the FSF de… |
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Post #Aup78VzrmHBMzsEQDY by [email protected] |
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we're talking about software that is equivalent to a hardware circuityet yo… |
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Post #Aup78W5BSVR5GMifVQ by [email protected] |
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@lxo @freetar @Suiseiseki GNU was originally built on top of proprietary kernel… |
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Post #Aup78WBZ4mXXa9hlS4 by [email protected] |
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that's a twisted narrative. using nonfree software to develop its replacem… |
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Post #Aup78WHaiNMPsqWZqS by [email protected] |
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@lxo @freetar @Suiseiseki you're arbitrarily declaring that some non-free s… |
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Post #Aup78WOKJKkSDjfxLM by [email protected] |
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no, you misread or misrepresent me. I'm only saying it's unreasonable … |
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Post #Aup78WUhvbquXWf3I0 by [email protected] |
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@lxo @freetar @Suiseiseki I'm saying it's unreasonable to draw a distin… |
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Post #Aup78WaNaWOCp7Ja88 by [email protected] |
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that's the root of our disagreement. this dogmatic position is not undesir… |
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Post #Aup78Wg3FQvV6hy6yG by [email protected] |
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@lxo @freetar @Suiseiseki using hardware that runs non-free software is an acce… |
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Post #Aup78Wn8p4b7ShHm1Q by [email protected] |
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again, we disagree. the exception of using something to build its replacement … |
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Post #Aup78WsoTz8PkHwIrY by [email protected] |
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@lxo @freetar @Suiseiseki much free software has been written by using non-free… |
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Post #Aup78WzC6GEs44vOoC by [email protected] |
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I don't doubt it, but I don't condone it either. it seems self-defeati… |
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Post #Aup78X4VmUUaKZPe64 by [email protected] |
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@lxo @freetar @Suiseiseki I'm always going to take a pragmatic attitude her… |
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Post #Aup78XAXQ5JSdGESUS by [email protected] |
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I agree with that goal. in this regard, we seem to differ in priorities, as in… |
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Post #Aup78XFr6JZAtkihmK by [email protected] |
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@lxo @freetar @Suiseiseki the path is easier to walk if it's technically po… |
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Post #Aup7A684vJytLipMci by [email protected] |
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@lxo @mjg59 @freetar @Suiseiseki "if you buy a piece of hardware assuming … |
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Post #Aup7A6E6YunlePeB16 by [email protected] |
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I suppose people would make that assumption because so much hardware is made to… |
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Post #Aup7A6K8CVcdx6SzPU by [email protected] |
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@lxo @freetar @Suiseiseki @mjg59 > I suppose people would make that assumpti… |
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Post #Aup7A6PnrQ9wEh7WFc by [email protected] |
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erhm... when I speak of hardware, I mean largely computer hardware, things lik… |
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Post #Aup7A6WtR3pYagRBIm by [email protected] |
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@lxo @dan @freetar @Suiseiseki a direct consequence of this position is that ve… |
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Post #Aup7A6dH3Kw0uTQHFQ by [email protected] |
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again I'll have to call that bullshitit was difficult to replace custom har… |
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Post #Aup7A6jefc2TEGPNC4 by [email protected] |
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@lxo @dan @freetar @Suiseiseki what? RYF refuses any components with EEPROMs th… |
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Post #Aup7A6pKKWZlVr3u2C by [email protected] |
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FTR, I'm not familiar with this level of detail of the FSF RYF certificatio… |
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Post #Aup7A6vLy7OdoXsiQa by [email protected] |
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@lxo @dan @freetar @Suiseiseki sigh. The point of the conversation is that my f… |
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Post #Aup7A711d1vw68XFGi by [email protected] |
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why can't you fix it? it's a matter of hardware, due to the equivalenc… |
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Post #Aup7A76hHwTENjBm6q by [email protected] |
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@lxo @dan @freetar @Suiseiseki I can't fix it because the manufacturer chos… |
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Post #Aup7ASjOtEuJRqSTqq by [email protected] |
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the FSF is consistent with its own standards, that you don't share, I get i… |
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Post #Aup7AxLj3JOCPOcVkm by [email protected] |
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what do you imagine I said about RYF? did you mistake my description of the wo… |
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Post #Aup7AxRkguD4i5RK9A by [email protected] |
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@lxo @dan @freetar @Suiseiseki in some cases, RYF certified devices run exactly… |
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Post #Aup7AxY8JBJX1sQQ5o by [email protected] |
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it makes perfect sense to treat software and anything equivalent to it as softw… |
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Post #Aup7Axeru8hZMlZnai by [email protected] |
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@lxo @dan @freetar @Suiseiseki all software should serve the user, but we don&#… |
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Post #Aup7B36LfOecFRTJcO by [email protected] |
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freedom for all is not attainable by forcing others to do our bidding. the bes… |
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Post #Aup7BLk0Mh4S3eAEvg by [email protected] |
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@Suiseiseki you're missing my point - whether something should be modifiabl… |
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Post #Aup7BX6O7oVlIFilqS by [email protected] |
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@Suiseiseki Software doesn't stop being software just because it's in R… |
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Post #Aup7BY3aZhrmFrQ37Y by [email protected] |
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@Suiseiseki Code that executes on a general purpose core is software, end of di… |
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Post #AuxonMdbKVfP8XDmim by [email protected] |
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@freetar @mjg59 @Suiseiseki Coming late in to this thread, one might wonder alo… |
