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I do not need to hear from people who can't code or at the very minimum see… |
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I also do not need to hear from people who can't understand the cognitive l… |
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If you wanna automatically produce shit code and spend your time babysitting th… |
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Also, and I can't believe I'm going to actually deconstruct his argumen… |
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Me sending a thousand AI-driven Mac trucks onto the road: it's fine actuall… |
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Anyway, time to go do something more productive than angrily posting about some… |
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Honestly I think there's a disconnect between LLM proponents when it comes … |
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@eniko I hadn't read the article until seeing your thread, but now I have. … |
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@gabrielesvelto @eniko I came here to say something similar.If you have to writ… |
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Post #AukrkH2DTl8PhLTRcO by [email protected] |
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@eniko one of my theories is that a sizable contingent of the big LLM-coding pe… |
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@amy @eniko correctors being forced to review and correct AI translations (beca… |
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@eniko In fact, over time it's easy to train an algorithm to generate such … |
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@eniko Doesn't the American Fuzzy Lop pretty much do fuzzing with machine l… |
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@eniko Your model has harvested a bunch of open source code and stack overflow … |
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@eniko you’re absolutely correct in theory but I don’t think you realise ju… |
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@eniko I honestly think that whole sector has gotten so used to doing things in… |
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@sinbad @eniko For what it's worth, we have similar “holy shit how do the… |
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@jonikorpi @eniko C++ certainly has those vibes. But at least our environments … |
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@amy @eniko fun fact, Thomas... Did. Like literally he is one of the main audit… |
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@amy I wonder if they think code review really involves like, scrutinizing ever… |
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@eniko well said! Code is not just derivative stuff based on whatever has been … |
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@christophegueret @eniko That part is key: code is inherently infinitely reusab… |
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@eniko the moment the tooling / testing is so strict it could potentially hold … |
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@dequbed @eniko LLM can puke valid code in any language for which we can write … |
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@gabrielesvelto i don't remember enough about Go to know why this makes sen… |
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@eniko Go was designed to let you clobber together network-facing services rath… |
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@eniko there's this article/rant from five years ago that goes hard compari… |
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@gabrielesvelto "My honeymoon with the Go language is *extremely* over.&qu… |
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@eniko not to say that they can also effectively remove perfectly working unit … |
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@eniko "write less code" used to mean "use a library/framework&q… |
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@sinbad @eniko @dev_ric My understanding is that "most web code is NOT hum… |
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@gilesgoat @sinbad @eniko umm. Sort of. Yes and no. 😆So, LLM usage aside, th… |
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@gilesgoat @sinbad @eniko so it's not quite that these frameworks generate … |
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@gilesgoat @sinbad @eniko but that's only the same as giving somebody a tex… |
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@gilesgoat @sinbad @eniko here's our editor, for example. If we build you a… |
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@eniko Code more efficiently by hanging the skulls of the people who do this on… |
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@jbqueru @eniko yep... Cars, planes, etc are too all packed with reusable compo… |
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@Di4na @amy ohhh, it's a case of "guy who's put 100 skill points i… |
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@eniko what does a linter even do? it shouldn't matter at all how code is f… |
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@eniko Interjection here on "small bugs that can't be catched"New… |
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@pixel yeah thats why I didn't get into "the AI is also writing the un… |
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@eniko It was COBOL in the 50s, SQL in the 70s, visual programming in the 90s, … |
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@jbqueru @eniko I doubt COBOL was intended to displace programmers; there weren… |
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@eniko lolm |
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@eniko @amy possibly. Or worse he simply got hooked into the cult. I regularly … |
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@eniko I reckon it's an inferiority complex thing. Easier to think that som… |
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@eniko @gabrielesvelto I think most people agree that Go has this verbose aspec… |
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@slyecho @eniko I get that, I did work on those kind of codebases in the past, … |
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@gabrielesvelto I don’t have a problem with mediocre code, there is a lot of … |
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I should also mention that at work we have a shit ton of legacy code, split int… |
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@eniko I've accidentally introduced two very subtle bugs in the stdlib of a… |
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@eniko It's just one case of the broader phenomenon of not understanding th… |
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@eniko we had a company meeting where they were interviewing a panel of our col… |
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@eniko nothing in that article addressed one of my main concerns: how much mone… |
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@eniko yeah. Like, I trust my teammates to have at least run a build before ask… |
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@amy @eniko unfortunately this is the future for human involvement in coding. L… |
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@eniko great thread! I think the management-legible version of "artistry a… |
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@eniko $150/hour? Oh, no no no... that's only the rate I charge for when it… |
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@eniko @pixel > An agent can occupy itself for hours putzing with your tests… |
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@jsoriano yes, AI's touching unit tests in any way is a horrifying can of w… |
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@kryphos @eniko no. I categorically reject this future as inevitable. It is not… |
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@amy @kryphos it certainly won't help if we just accept the evangelists cri… |
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@eniko sounds, and this wouldn't surprise me, similar to regular editing. I… |
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@eniko thus it's dramatically easier and better to write something youself … |
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@sinvega having done a bit of editing i can say that yeah, they're pretty s… |
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@eniko I've been spoiled by having editors who trusted that I did. Trust be… |
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@eniko replace "code" with "music" - would you say the same… |
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@wonshu ....... yes? |
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@eniko ok, then I have the double whammy for you: I've used LLMs to create … |
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@eniko I can in fact understand the code though, once it's there, I'm n… |
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@eniko yes, so much this.it’s like having to work through somebody else’s c… |
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@jbqueru @eniko do NOT under ANY circumstances lump COBOL in there. Period. Ful… |
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@rootwyrm @eniko That's fair. Admiral Hopper didn't mention that, for F… |
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@arclight @eniko One of my thought experiments is to take the definitions of so… |
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@jbqueru @eniko yeah, that was actually the *core* concept of the languages of … |
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@eniko The ones who wants LLMs wants them so they can fire the rest of us. That… |
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@eniko With respect, and it pains me to say this because I'm inclined to be… |
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@eniko god did you see that recent fly io blog post where the author goes "… |
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@matt that's a bizarre take from someone who's supposed to be a senior … |
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@eniko Here's the HN comment I was referring to, to make sure I'm not m… |
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@rootwyrm @eniko That makes sense. The similarity with today's situation is… |
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@eniko This disconnect permeates all of the GAN/LLM bullshit hype cycle, from a… |
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@manchmalscott lol yeahbut yeah that guy is insufferable |
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@eniko Capitalists long for nothing but a box they can put money in at one end,… |
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@gabrielesvelto @eniko I have a couple of personal projects written in Go (main… |
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@mcc @eniko I find it very funny that your description of the capitalist dream … |
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@IvanDSM @eniko Perhaps "AI" is more like cryptocurrency than even th… |
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@mcc @eniko I remember my ex-husband desperately wanted to be an entrepreneur. … |
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@jbqueru @eniko most of those things were not intended in any way to replace co… |
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@eniko @amy @kryphos None of the previous software hype cycles have turned out … |
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@matt @eniko I think you’re overstating their position; they’re saying that… |
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@calcifer @eniko Yeah, I quickly realized that I probably overstated it. |
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@matt @eniko FWIW, as a programmer for over 30 years now, the arc I see is this… |
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@eniko @kryphos yeah exactly. I can't count how many times I've been to… |
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Gonna mute this to reclaim my notifications ✌️ |
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@eniko I love your whole thread. Great takes.The other part that baffles me is … |
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@gabrielesvelto @eniko This is really a priceless rant. Not so much because Go … |
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@vitloksbjorn Dan Olson did not make a whole-ass documentary on LLM/GAN (yet) b… |
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@cuddle_puddle @eniko It is so hard to explain to ppl that the goal of the LLM … |
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@mcc @eniko This is exactly the idea behind M-C-M' in Capital |
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@burnoutqueen @eniko I thought that was Man Crush Monday |
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@mcc @eniko 😂 |
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@vitloksbjorn it's that same thread where he did cite the "moving targ… |
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@hendric @eniko yeah, I realised shortly after posting that I should have calle… |
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@mcc @eniko Just want to point out that they fucking hate the 'sell things&… |
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@eniko I think that the disconnect is even deeper than that. I'd say that t… |
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@calcifer @eniko Fair and accurate point, the context was so different that par… |
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@petealexharris @eniko @amy @kryphos I remember how Application Development Wor… |
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@petealexharris @eniko @amy @kryphos Later that decade there was the promise of… |
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@petealexharris @eniko @amy @kryphos My last employer was understaffed and coul… |
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@amy @eniko well none of us can compete with AI or robots, and investors will r… |
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@kryphos @eniko yes and changing values come from the people, not the oligarchs… |
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@kryphos @eniko oh, absolutely iconic timing in my timeline: www.ibtimes.co.uk/… |
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@eniko Well, sure, it periodically generates cunningly disguised bugs that expo… |
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@petealexharris @eniko @amy @kryphos @bsdphk I've been watching software en… |
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@SteveBellovin @petealexharris @eniko @amy @kryphos @bsdphk That's the part… |
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@SteveBellovin @petealexharris @eniko @amy @kryphos @bsdphk "I've seen… |
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@SteveBellovin @petealexharris @eniko @amy @kryphos @bsdphk aka a fucking ineff… |
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@sabik @dequbed @eniko @pixel Totally agree! Unit tests and usage of #LLMs in t… |
