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3/ I really do recommend going back to the primary sources from Toyota. Because… |
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4/ So this is more like making a bespoke suit for someone. You need to try to g… |
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5/ I sometimes compare it to trying to make a garden, it's never done, but … |
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6/ This whole thread is also relevant to the question: will AI take my programm… |
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@Patricia have you ever thought about writing a book |
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@mrsbeanbag Yes, but I’d need help, my brain can’t get hooked on it like wi… |
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@Patricia i've been thinking software it's self is the factory. so soft… |
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@mensrea I actually would go a step further and say all programs are factories.… |
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@Patricia If it makes you feel better about lean development, good books on the… |
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@Patricia @mrsbeanbagDont know if you are really thinking about a book, but in … |
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@Patricia I love the fashion reference here, because sometimes I feel like SW d… |
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7/ Since people are already misunderstanding me: «the factory» is a kind of s… |
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@Jakeout I might still be licking my wounds after Team Topologies, but just the… |
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@ted maybe that is just an extension of my suit metaphor, but with more «users… |
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@Patricia Argh I have this rant too. How we got to a place where we supposedly … |
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@james I can understand how they made this mistake, but it’s such a fundament… |
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@james Andon cord is one of the things that is right there in a CI/CD pipeline.… |
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@james Andon also exists in other things like transaction rollbacks for databas… |
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8/ We misunderstood/misapplied it, and it’s been going on for over a decade.… |
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@Patricia @james the thing missing from these automation andon cords is there i… |
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@Patricia I've always thought of the "factory" in software as the… |
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@fabs @james that is debugging, we make the factory, we are not the factory. We… |
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@fabs @james the point is, it’s not a good metaphor, or maybe even worse it�… |
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@davidvedvick people are clearly not getting my point… I’m clearly struggli… |
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9/ People are clearly not getting my point… I’m clearly struggling to conv… |
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10/ Toyota Production System (/Lean) is extremely understandable to programmers… |
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11/ Of all the worst things that happened in software dev because of this abso… |
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@Patricia @james yeah. The point of the andon was empowering the employee at th… |
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@Patricia ah great point. Of course. I was thinking more about the human/team p… |
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@Patricia I am giving the biggest side eye as someone who has had to teach a lo… |
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@Patricia Maybe it's a misunderstanding of the term "lean" on my … |
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@Patricia Aside from the computer/software being the "factory" in thi… |
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@raven667 Oh yes, because we design the factory. That’s the point. |
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@Patricia I think it is, but it brings into focus the idea that the factory mak… |
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@james We don’t need a bad metaphor for what really is «our concerns should … |
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@exception Yeah, understandable but that is not what uppercase Lean is about. I… |
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@syklemil @exception as I said here (quoted), but also it is everywhere even if… |
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@Jakeout The problem is that Kanban and flow come from this misapplication. It�… |
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@ted CI is just an example of software with this architecture. I’m not saying… |
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@Patricia Some years ago I read «The Phoenix Project» which pulls in the Toyo… |
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@Patricia are you equalling "factory" as a program metaphor to the &q… |
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@Patricia I know I'm still describing a gulf between our experiences, but i… |
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@PatriciaSo, I worked for 5 years in a factory that used TPS. And we did it so … |
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@Patricia i totally (pun intended) agree. And -as it depends- found a context w… |
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@Patricia I think the most important aspect of software development that people… |
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@Patricia as you spot, the building part can be fully automated. This is usuall… |
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@Patricia There is a huge difference between using the metaphor of a factory in… |
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@Patricia I was thinking that the focus on reducing and eliminating waste is on… |
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@Patricia @mrsbeanbag You could send a proposal to https://pragprog.com/ they a… |
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@Patricia it's been ~ 20 years since I read the Poppendieks' seminal bo… |
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@dazo yes, but that is not how it is interpreted in Lean Software Dev. DevOps w… |
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@syklemil @exception and in many ways kaizen is very small a agile. |
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@PeterSommerlad pretty much, if you would allow CI/CD, media mixing, surface co… |
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@Jakeout maybe check out my thread here, and the article I reference there, and… |
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@Patricia all are perfect examples afaikkey to pipes and filters is the composa… |
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@worldwidewerner I think maybe we need to be open to not leaning so hard on any… |
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@JeffGrigg But we even have an expression for that in programming "Prematu… |
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@sleepyfox Yes. Which is what my whole rant is about. So we agree? |
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@worldwidewerner 💯 |
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@bsdphk I think I have thoughts that are related to this if I understand you co… |
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@mpinto70 That is probably why it was such an easy trap to fall into |
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@PeterSommerlad In the TPS factory it isn't super composable, on the highes… |
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@Patricia I believe I am allowed to support people I agree with.At least on cer… |
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@Patricia I think you make some very good points.I do not think trying to figur… |
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@Patricia < best approach I don't think. You want to understand the prin… |
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@worldwidewerner @Patricia I’ve been broadly nodding along with this thread, … |
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@worldwidewerner @Patricia Reconsidering: maybe the time-and-motion focus is du… |
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@decoderwheel @worldwidewerner yes, I think the understanding of the metaphor (… |
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@Patricia What Toyota and others illustrate is not that new revolutionary thoug… |
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@Patricia That's pretty spot on actually. |
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@Patricia Software inventory (long lived feature branches often never merged) i… |
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@Patricia @JeffGrigg this is the difference between an efficient system and an … |
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@Patricia I'm grappling with this in the context of "fast flow" b… |
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@einarwh First of all I think it’s a silly model, it’s just new words for f… |
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@einarwh I also touch on this in my brand new blogpost.https://social.vivaldi.n… |
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@Patricia Yeah this captures very nicely why I think the whole "delivery&q… |
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12/ A much better explanation in the shape of a blogpost.https://patricia.no/20… |
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@Patricia Product Manager here with a tech background (BA / ex-electronic engin… |
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@Patricia I've read your blogpost: you're absolutely right. It matches … |
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@DanielaKEngert 💯 |
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@Patricia Love your thread. I had written a small post about "Lean Softwar… |
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@ics Love it! |
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@m0rpk I wonder how much better we could be as an industry if this was more com… |
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@DanielaKEngert @Patricia My professor at uni was saying "An analyst who g… |
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@Patricia still not finishing reading the blog post, but i must say, you got me… |
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@Patricia I think your post's conclusion references the strongest theory ab… |
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@sickeroni 💜 all my advice always comes from me doing it wrong first. Often … |
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@Patricia A PRINCE2 project manager simply can't and won't accept it wh… |
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@m0rpk I agree, and I really don’t know how to bridge that gap. But I do know… |
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@Patricia Yeah, it is. For many years the core of my career has been interpreti… |
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@Patricia doing mistakes is normal. Learning from mistakes is a skill I wish, m… |
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@chebra @Patricia Very true - this distinction is important!I can barely rememb… |
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@Patricia So, putting on my dickhead hat, what I'm hearing is that after a … |
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@Patricia @drgroftehauge and management need to stay tf out of it because they … |
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Thanks for writing this, @Patricia. Funny enough I have been pondering and expe… |
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… the vision (what the customer wants) and the execution (what we design and … |
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@njyo I’d love to read the long form, I do think you’re wrong about 4 thoug… |
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@Patricia will share once I have something cohesive and am looking forward to y… |
