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LLMs exist to crush labour. That's not even my surmise, the people paying b… |
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@davidgerard Agreed, that is why LLMs exist — a great to labor. However, I’… |
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@meltedcheese "but what about all the *good* uses for the Torment Nexus&qu… |
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@davidgerard Point taken. Is any technology by itself ethically good or bad? Th… |
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@davidgerard I'd kill to not deal with chatbots when needing support proble… |
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@meltedcheese @davidgerard OTOH, no technology is "in iself". We can … |
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@aaribaud @davidgerard That’s right. Start of industrialization sounds about … |
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@davidgerard Wait until they realize that an LLM will not work the crop fields.… |
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@meltedcheese “The ethics of technology wasn't really a question until th… |
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@krans @davidgerard Are you really that unfamiliar with the philosophy of ethic… |
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@meltedcheese @davidgerard I'd say that technology, being the use of scienc… |
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@aaribaud @davidgerard Exactly, but this distinction didn’t come up until the… |
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@aaribaud @meltedcheese i have had people trying to tell me earnestly that tech… |
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@davidgerard @aaribaud Politics and ethics are not the same. I hear what you ar… |
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@meltedcheese @davidgerard it's possible there were questions about the eth… |
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@Amoshias @davidgerard These are questions about the *use* of technology. I can… |
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@davidgerard The MBA class want to use them to justify mass layoffs to drive do… |
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@Rycochet companies are absolutely fucking themselves down the line for somethi… |
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@davidgerard @Rycochet It's like cicadas - every few years, it's the sa… |
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@davidgerard I'm more worried about the generation of children who are curr… |
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@meltedcheese @krans @davidgerard I look at AI, cryptocurrency, NFT's etc f… |
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2/They're sinking money into it like there's no tomorrow...Hmm...uh oh.… |
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@Npars01 I buy this. Problem is, the projected data centers are going to requir… |
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@davidgerard @Leichtmatrose what a nonsense post 🤡 |
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@meltedcheese @davidgerard let's pretend you are not splitting the most rid… |
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@[email protected] @Amoshias Fallacious on two points: False attrib… |
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@aaribaud @[email protected] Should we conclude that every technolo… |
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@davidgerard the bubble will not pop. AI development will be 'bailed out… |
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@StopTheSweepsPDX i dunno, the numbers are hilariously bad.it is true that it&#… |
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@meltedcheese @aaribaud @davidgerard it wasn't a huge social debate because… |
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@aaribaud @meltedcheese @davidgerard even an atomic bomb can be stratified by h… |
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@aaribaud @meltedcheese @davidgerard continuing development of the neutron bomb… |
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@aaribaud @meltedcheese @davidgerard investing in technology with the capabilit… |
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@aaribaud @meltedcheese @davidgerard put another way, if we accept that technol… |
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@aaribaud @meltedcheese @davidgerard i worked at the same department of energy … |
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@davidgerard I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, POSIWID. |
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@hipsterelectron @aaribaud @[email protected] @davidgerard I appreciate the lin… |
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@oblomov You seem to have read "technology is not neutral" as "t… |
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@aaribaud @hipsterelectron @davidgerard that's not what I “read”, that&… |
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@aaribaud @hipsterelectron @davidgerard So we need a better “lens” to scrut… |
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@aaribaud @hipsterelectron @davidgerard The same tech is being developed for po… |
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@aaribaud @hipsterelectron @davidgerard By the line of reasons of the person th… |
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@oblomov OTOH, I think that, in context, the LLMs mentioned at the start of thi… |
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@oblomovThe problem with (gen AI) LLMs is that while scrutiny keeps finding bad… |
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@oblomov But the fact that people in position to decide do not have a moral com… |
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@oblomov @aaribaud @davidgerard giving someone a knife and then having them cut… |
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@hipsterelectron @oblomov @aaribaud @davidgerard Trying to do surgery with a sp… |
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@jonhendry @hipsterelectron @aaribaud @davidgerard don't underestimate a sp… |
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@hipsterelectron @aaribaud @davidgerard Would love to swap stories sometime ! |
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@aaribaud @oblomov @hipsterelectron @davidgerard the people that choose which p… |
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@aaribaud @hipsterelectron @davidgerard (replied to this here <https://socia… |
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@[email protected] @aaribaud @hipsterelectron @oblomov The knife pr… |
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@meltedcheese @aaribaud @hipsterelectron @oblomovSo computer viruses that delet… |
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@davidgerard One could make a parallel with crypto-currencies and opine that th… |
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@aaribaud @davidgerard crypto "currencies" are kind of a scam from th… |
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@Npars01 @meltedcheese @krans @davidgerard the money is business-to-business.So… |
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@aaribaud @hipsterelectron @davidgerard I agree with this. but that's alre… |
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@oblomovI think that maybe you read what you originally objected to as more str… |
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@Npars01 @meltedcheese @krans @davidgerard The longer Musk is in the public eye… |
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@hipsterelectron @aaribaud @davidgerard A great clarifying moment in atomic his… |
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@meltedcheeseIf I mayintervene here.Technology is anything that is not found in… |
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@davidgerard That's it exactly. There will be a contraction eventually, and… |
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@davidgerard @meltedcheese <scientist frantically asks the Torment Nexus how… |
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@strlcat @StopTheSweepsPDX that's why the blog got called Pivot To AI, it&#… |
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@meltedcheese @davidgerard https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_PlowshareNot… |
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@meltedcheese @aaribaud it's politics all the way down.you're bloviatin… |
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@hipsterelectron @aaribaud @davidgerard It’s a problem. People are very creat… |
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@aaribaud @davidgerard I agree as far as gen AI/LLMs are concerned. I even agre… |
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@aaribaud @davidgerard Color me not holding my breath, Albert. |
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@hipsterelectron @[email protected] @aaribaud I’ll wager it had t… |
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@hipsterelectron @oblomov @[email protected] @aaribaud Exactly. Kni… |
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@jonhendry @hipsterelectron @oblomov @aaribaud @davidgerard you will note that … |
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@mawhrin @jonhendry @hipsterelectron @aaribaud @davidgerard yes, but the phrasi… |
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@oblomov @jonhendry @hipsterelectron @aaribaud @davidgerard oh, the effort was … |
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@oblomov mind, luddites were a (somewhat violent, because of no other way to be… |
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@oblomov @mawhrin @jonhendry @hipsterelectron @aaribaud you have been trying wa… |
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@davidgerard @mawhrin @jonhendry @hipsterelectron @aaribaud It's not a retr… |
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@oblomov @mawhrin @jonhendry @hipsterelectron @aaribaud yeah that's great t… |
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@meltedcheese In theoretical terms, LLM technology is neutral. In applied terms… |
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@willegible As reified today in the most ethically egregious applications, then… |
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@meltedcheese It may be true that the morality or immorality of a technology in… |
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@willegible Good point. The tech is poisoned in that case. I feel this way abou… |
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@meltedcheese Yes, we should precisely conclude that every technology created b… |
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@aaribaud I think it is always legit to think things through. I would make an e… |
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@sotolf @aaribaud @hipsterelectron @oblomov It would be ethical if never used t… |
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@meltedcheese @aaribaud @hipsterelectron @oblomov Don't try to eel your way… |
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@sotolf @aaribaud @hipsterelectron @oblomov Then I’d have to say the virus is… |
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@meltedcheese @aaribaud @hipsterelectron @oblomov That sounds like just not cal… |
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@lproven @aaribaud @hipsterelectron @oblomov Guns certainly afford people a gre… |
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@fembinary @indigoviolet "The purpose of a system is what it does" - … |
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@davidgerard Once everyone is unemployed, who will be able to afford buy the cr… |
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@sotolf @aaribaud @hipsterelectron @oblomov It’s a dilemma and (to me) really… |
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@bhawthorne @davidgerard @Rycochet ... dude, the Rust compiler doesn't care… |
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@meltedcheese @aaribaud @hipsterelectron @oblomov And technology is created by … |
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@sotolf @aaribaud @hipsterelectron @oblomov This is an interesting position to … |
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@davidgerard technically there are ethical use cases but I feel like most peopl… |
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@agowa338 they're very much the exception and on closer examination they ke… |
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@davidgerard yea of course they are. Because there is a recurring pattern of ev… |
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@davidgerard but if you're aware of it going on then you still can use it t… |
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@lproven @adelgado LLMs do not summarise text. They shorten it. Writeup: https:… |
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@davidgerard @lproven I didn't sat they summarize books. I said to "re… |
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@davidgerard @lproven Just saying that the tool is not the problem. LLM doesn&#… |
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@adelgado @lproven > LLM doesn't exist to crush labour.This is only true… |
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@davidgerard @lproven Keeping focusing in the tools capitalism use to crush you… |
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@davidgerard LLMs are used, for example, by researchers for things like reading… |
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@lproven @davidgerard Check with him https://researchportal.helsinki.fi/en/pers… |
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@adelgado @lproven oh sure, LLMs can do OCR. But so did Tesseract ~20 years ago. |
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@davidgerard @adelgado @lproven transformers are an interesting technology with… |
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@adelgado the transformer model was invented for machine translation, so it'… |
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@davidgerard this is the typical "hammer tool" example. Vilifying the… |
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@adelgado no, this is "but I found a use case for the Torment Nexus"s… |
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@davidgerard @jwz Agreed, but the blame should be laid at the feet of capitalis… |
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@Brendanjones @jwz LLMs are genuinely interesting and fun toys!they're also… |
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@strlcat @davidgerard @StopTheSweepsPDX |
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@aaribaud @hipsterelectron @davidgerard It's quite possible. I'm not a … |
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@oblomov @aaribaud @hipsterelectron the example was the neutron bomb, which was… |
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@davidgerard @aaribaud @hipsterelectron exactly. So why was the phrasing in the… |
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@davidgerard Well, you could have said that for every technological innovation.… |
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@duco lol yeah no, LLMs don't do any of thataway with you |
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@[email protected] Robots exist to automate labor. LLMs exist to a… |
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@zakalwe that analogy is very bad and incorrect |
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@[email protected] But it's how the oligarchs seem to think. R… |
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@davidgerard @StopTheSweepsPDX what bad numbers are you speaking about exactly? |
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@duco @StopTheSweepsPDX the finances, they're hilariously fucked even for t… |
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@StopTheSweepsPDX @davidgerard AI is inevitable. If you bomb datacenters you w… |
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@Alephwyr @StopTheSweepsPDX where are you people coming here from |
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@davidgerard @lproven @adelgado ...they used the Facebook’s Llama2-70B model.… |
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@strlcat @martinl @StopTheSweepsPDX 1. there is an actual thing called quantum … |
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@davidgerard @strlcat @martinl @StopTheSweepsPDX "Quantum mechanics, the s… |
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@strlcat @davidgerard @martinl @StopTheSweepsPDX ultimately in my view, crypto … |
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@davidgerard The crutch that will keep the scam going, though, is the unfortuna… |
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@gittaca @davidgerard @Zitron Yes... @zitron...Last post 6 years ago. Very rele… |
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@n_dimension I'm sure you're too smart to _actually_ judge relevance by… |
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@gittaca "Prefers fascist media. Narcissist" |
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@gittaca @davidgerard @Zitron Maybe the below-average performers in jobs had a … |
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@StompyRobot That's some %age as well, surely. But then again, is it more l… |
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@gittaca interviews are not very good predictors of actual performance on the j… |
