 |
Post Au9RtBAAtOPeR9GTp2 by [email protected] |
 |
More posts by [email protected] |
|
Post #Au9HtAu6rBBe5k6ryK by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 1 repeats |
|
|
|
It's not an ethical dilemma. If a HUMAN driver got into a situation where t… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9HtB2cLXzaW85fEW by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 1 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross My grandfather told a story (no idea whether this was true, and no way… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9KjxG2WWy91af8me by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 1 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross Rules of the road quite clearly state that you must be able to stop in… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9LfI3BtC0g1CzZoW by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross at 20 mph, the stopping distance is 6 metres, barely more than the len… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9LfRUSnAAnIOoz4a by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross to be honest, in that specific situation I'd also jail the planner… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9LfRaqPRHFcBo51E by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@valhalla @cstross The "speed limit" you are referring to is, at leas… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9LfRizv7nc1TcajA by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@tessarakt @valhalla @cstross And in reality many drivers behind you get angry … |
|
|
|
Post #Au9LfoZux3CatyYAGe by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross Indeed, there is no ethical dilemma. The manufacturer is responsible. |
|
|
|
Post #Au9LgFN5KrypzzknVw by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross The baby and grandma is also crossing using A GOD DAMN PEDESTRIAN CROS… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9LgpUR31Fa1DTAy8 by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@henryk @cstross Though, given how governments are bending over themselves to c… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9LjNjogXR0ofsgsa by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@TimWardCam @cstross In traffic you learn a lot about people |
|
|
|
Post #Au9LmISMmI1VIy6oJE by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@henryk @cstross agreed when it comes to stationary objects, but I guess the &q… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9LmIbEFL71kSFt7g by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@swaldman @henryk @cstross I have a fun ethical dilemma:Given that humans often… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9LmhHaTVFuImG3Tk by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 1 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross It is a very real situation that needs to be considered when designing… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9LmhOK4SdwdfPQye by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@Isthmus I repeat, bullshit: if there are opaque obstacles, then the self-drivi… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9LoXcRNJfmuStJoG by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@valhalla I wonder if @cstross remembers how the intersection at Morningside (f… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9LoXkat0C9JkhpWC by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@valhalla @cstross (I lived nearby at the time, and I still remember that inter… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9LpdgiIRUm1PPguW by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@swaldman @henryk Still wrong. If there are any obscuring obstacles, the vehicl… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9Lpdmjw2JeK6EVIu by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross @henryk to an extent I agree, but unlike the "able to stop in the… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9Lpf7gxcfaTN2kbI by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross If I see a granny and a baby on a footbridge over a motorway, and thro… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9LpfEQYa3coGC86C by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross The government will however fix all that by legislating that grannies … |
|
|
|
Post #Au9LqU13k2fSJZKfqK by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstrossWe let human drivers get away with killing grandmothers and babies all … |
|
|
|
Post #Au9LrM2gsC3fsGVjsm by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross @heydon What if the self-driving car was hurrying to take its owner to… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9LrucgIt397jbxhY by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross @swaldman @henryk This is probably why the 20mph limit in wales made s… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9NRqnc65fddzQQkK by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@Duncan @swaldman @henryk Wrong. The best solution would be teleport booths (th… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9NTZ2r4sqV9xN6Dg by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross There is no dilemma in that picture, avoid baby and grandma and drive … |
|
|
|
Post #Au9NU3rEW8y8itAkuO by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross I feel like these "dilemmas" are often brought up by self dr… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9NU3xc8Q4b2g9qr2 by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@Feasoron Same with the "we must figure out how to build in guardrails in … |
|
|
|
Post #Au9NUGb39ckSEShVzM by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@valhalla @cstross that's just like the street outside of my house minus th… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9NUY9LtLHuflseJc by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross @Feasoron one dilemma I see is the French highway problem. Cars are so… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9NW3emEegSgAIYi0 by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@Tallish_Tom @cstross @swaldman @henryk The annoying thing about the 20mph limi… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9NWBFY0LFwEEYWUi by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@heydon @cstross @angusm The self-driving car should switch the points just aft… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9NY3ZPWo4OzQk1Ym by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@Tallish_Tom @cstross @swaldman @henryk one thing I hate as a motorcyclist is b… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9NYI7FRnSI6QgFFI by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross it's one of the bigger issues with autonomous vehicles: as long as… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9QFwrk12ZuqYN8lM by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@0xDEADBEEF @cstross I think if the CEO were legally liable for the deaths caus… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9QFwyTbzxxBRWWGG by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@ergative @0xDEADBEEF Not just the CEO; the board of directors, jointly and sev… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9QGWCAf4iUQ3CRxw by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@Duncan @swaldman @henryk @cstross you want fewer human drivers, and you want t… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9QHfq0IRlYc9NlPU by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@brunopostle @cstross if it's just the deceleration stopping distance, 5 me… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9QIbCJ2CTSVpFsaO by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross To be honest, the human driver wouldn’t receive anything more than a… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9RhRALZJzAarkL1E by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross @ergative @0xDEADBEEF Vehicle emissions in the US are (or were, last t… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9RlMCXy78EM3e1gW by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross there needs to be personal responsibility, not corporate responsibilit… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9RtBAAtOPeR9GTp2 by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross Option 3, kill the car designer. Now there is no self-created "B… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9RyglWp3uNtkMct6 by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross We barley have level 2 and so many companies are pretending to have le… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9Rz4SYjEzlNrfoeW by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@Isthmus @cstross if someone habitually rides a bicycle in such places, they… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9WOT7kZ1Kyw3J36e by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 1 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross I agree it's a foolish thought experiment that relies on perfect i… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9WReuTCWMYMCcEtc by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 1 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross I feel like these "viral ethical dilemma" situations (trolly… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9XKsqd55ltVp9WHQ by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 1 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross There's LOTS of moral and ethical dilemmas in tech already long lo… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9Y9cssC4reloOjYG by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 1 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross Interesting how they never suggest 'crash into the tree and kill t… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9YWI5tel6mx4ITPk by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@jorny @cstross I think "Utilitarianism is just an endless stream of stupi… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9YYxlPhVMGlbzSXA by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross I mean there's a perfectly good tree just over there if your brake… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9YbPkGdYl084cgqm by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross Coming into this late I see an awful lot of the replies are basically … |
|
|
|
Post #Au9Yds6ABwaUe02K5A by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@jorny @cstross I will say that this "I know we said self-driving cars are… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9YeKhhpxFtMXohUG by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@wordshaper @jorny @cstross Before you is a trolley on a train track, filled wi… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9YeztUh22v6yeC3M by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross you are correctas an older person this kind of thing disturbs me for a… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9YiFqzoO4ZTj23Ci by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@thias @cstross @Feasoron Don't worry, many of the participants in this dis… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9YinfU5h4CLruKyu by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross @swaldman @henryk yes, this is the law in my state (Louisiana) |
|
|
|
Post #Au9YouUbd8YnFsjV8y by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross - The car should pick a nearby tree or lamp-post, and crash itself. |
|
|
|
Post #Au9bjnFTR5DFCcuH5c by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@swaldman @cstross @henryk > "able to stop if something comes from behi… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9bjnNcwljbbuimnY by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@resuna @cstross @henryk Human passengers also get bored, and would like to pro… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9bosqE4MmJzpWZbk by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@swaldman Reasonableness isn't really relevant. I'm not sure how this i… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9bvCkQyD45TNpU0G by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@veronica @cstross @henryk At designated crossings, I agree with you.But at oth… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9czHAGahV4HdPww4 by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@swaldman My point was also outside of designated crossings. Here's a speci… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9elLZNcGI1ndeMUK by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@swaldman @cstross @henryk Bored human passengers don't make the car less s… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9elvrMgs4CLqLEWG by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@veronica @cstross @henryk In that case I would agree with you.But what would y… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9enPOUMtdKEvXTHc by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@resuna @cstross @henryk No, but while we can make nearly any use of a car safe… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9jtgRKPAEGcAg7cW by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@swaldman @resuna @henryk Disagree. Usefulness is ALWAYS a lesser priority than… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9jtgX044lYtlKeSe by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross @resuna @henryk Really? Surely there must be some weighting or balance… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9jtgdNgLs1DYJkPI by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@swaldman @resuna @henryk If that's the problem the correct solution is to … |
|
|
|
Post #Au9jtgj3LGPJV8yHFQ by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross @resuna @henrykFair, and in a similar category to the Swedish approach… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9juNHv61FlVRbiQS by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@swaldman @cstross @henryk Charlie wrote "lesser" not "negligibl… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9jx4IOALrBTG6wqG by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross @Duncan @swaldman @henryk or like, trains on dedicated tracks that peo… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9jxm43R0XDDXk7bk by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@coolcoder360 @cstross @Duncan @swaldman @henryk yeah, folks keep talking like … |
|
|
|
Post #Au9jzDg4Fsp99DDEiO by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@resuna @swaldman @cstross @henryk indeed, LLMs can drive unsafely at any speed. |
|
|
|
Post #Au9jzmA22yzk5zUe8m by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@swaldman I slow down anywhere where there is a possibility to be children or p… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9jzmdoGGoXaLQQYS by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@swaldman Even if a child can be seen, and sees me, I slow down. Young kids are… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9k0ceItg6gsw3YXo by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@swaldman @cstross @resuna @henryk If that's the only way to make sure ther… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9mqaEJKvqWLfnqiW by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@swaldman @veronica @cstross @henrykWe don't ever hold anything to be 100% … |
|
|
|
Post #Au9mqub1cBtnVuaGtk by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@swaldman @resuna @henryk I'm in the centre of Edinburgh, a UK city—and y… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9mqui7BpZPrttvwu by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@cstross @swaldman @resuna @henryk it's something more places should do. Th… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9mtVxFgiLFxTDnOa by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@swaldman @cstross @resuna @henryk I'm sorry, you seem to be threatening us… |
|
|
|
Post #Au9muLSYC6gHhJG0lE by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@swaldman @cstross @resuna @henryk you are using a 2mph hypothetical to argue a… |
|
|
|
Post #AuAHPqB12HDeZDzQVE by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 1 repeats |
|
|
|
@joachim @cstross There's no-one in the car. It's just got to get to th… |
|
|
|
Post #AuePG80aVjI9Lpn1iC by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@angusm @cstross @heydon When the car AI takes over the world and seeks its ine… |
|
|
|
Post #AuePGI6GzRmUeMWhxg by [email protected] |
|
0 likes, 0 repeats |
|
|
|
@angusm @cstross @heydon what if the driving ai just hallucinated the baby?Wait… |
