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I'm glad somebody out there is brave enough to push back against the "… |
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@simon useful for examination of assumptions but also feels a bit like arguing … |
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@h2onolan I feel like in that case it's pretty easy to argue that if just a… |
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@simon that is fair. maybe some of the struggle (i know it is for me) is the fe… |
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@h2onolan my limited understanding of the water issue is that it's really c… |
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@simon me too. At least in california, its all secret handshakes and impenetrab… |
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@simon I saw a similar analysis and I walked away realizing how much my nightly… |
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@simon looks like it was the same author, here was there previous that I was li… |
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@webology @simon This is a recasting of the "it's ridiculous to ban pr… |
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@dalke @webology comparing private jets to LLMs makes no sense to meA private j… |
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@simon @webology My point is to look at one's entire CO2/pollution budget, … |
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@simon This is the same guy who writes: - "Career advice, like life advice… |
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@simon Those are terrible suggestions - I can't imagine thinking the human … |
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@danvolchek honestly, the ChatGPT as therapist thing sounds wildly irresponsibl… |
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@danvolchek I heard someone quip recently that Gen Z girls are now using ChatGP… |
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@danvolchek and then there's this kind of thing, which is catastrophic http… |
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@danvolchek sure, and he's an Effectice Altruist tooDoesn't mean his nu… |
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@simon I think there are some valid points in there, but a service which for ma… |
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@simon In this context, I find this statement "This post is not about the … |
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@koen_hufkens I think that statement is very reasonable: the whole point of the… |
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@simon My point is that you can't extract individual use from a system like… |
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@simon not sure if they revise the numbers on the full source article, but the … |
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@Sergio those numbers are the heart of the whole debate - nobody has better dat… |
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@simon I've now read through about half of this, and there are so many prob… |
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@simon So we have an article with a lot of very theoretical math based on estim… |
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@simon There has undeniably been a *massive* new investment in this space since… |
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@simon Okay, but forget the data centers, let's talk about cost. "If y… |
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@simon There's a very simple followup question to the idea that LLMs are ef… |
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@foxyoreos they're losing money because that's how this stage in a gold… |
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@simon I understand that this is common, but you're dodging the question - … |
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@simon OpenAI is pulling revenue.And their issue is not that they are pulling r… |
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@simon Explain how that can be true if this is using so little energy and resou… |
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@foxyoreos it's using loads of energy and resources. But it's also serv… |
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@simon Again, multiple issues here, #1 being that OpenAI loses money *per-custo… |
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@foxyoreos I wrote more about the gold rush data center expansion here https://… |
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@simon This is so similar to arguments that I hear from Bitcoin proponents. &qu… |
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@simon And yes, you can compare it to a lot of stuff that costs a lot of money,… |
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@simon when I compare LLM proponents to Bitcoin proponents, I don't mean te… |
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@simon It LLMs didn't exist, it wouldn't be happening.That is just inar… |
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@foxyoreos given everything we've learned about the transformer architectur… |
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@simon I think you're pretty fundamentally missing my point, but also - eve… |
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@foxyoreos I don't think I ever said I was pro-gold rushI have complicated … |
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@simon I won't necessarily dispute that, but I remain skeptical because the… |
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@simon I've talked about this in other places and called this "the rai… |
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@simon you're not saying that the pure per-prompt energy is low - you'r… |
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@simon it is just not honest framing to remove that from the conversation and a… |
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@simon you have produced a lot of really insightful writing about AI - even as … |
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@simon And I mean.. heck, if your argument was, "don't use ChatGPT, us… |
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@simon Maybe Deepseek is a revolution. But you're not telling critters to a… |
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@simon If this shit was as cheap and efficient as you're saying - it wouldn… |
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@foxyoreos I'm genuinely not comfortable giving people advice on which LLM … |
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@simon I mean this in a genuinely.. like I'm not trying to dunk here, and I… |
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@foxyoreos I don't have any certainty at all over usage numbers, but I'… |
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@simon I'll be honest, if your belief is that ChatGPT might be the most eff… |
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@simon If there's a giant gold rush happening that's causing huge amoun… |
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@simon That strongly suggests that average usage (maybe because there's a l… |
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@simon this is (again, I'm not comparing the technologies themselves) reall… |
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@foxyoreos where did you get the thing about OpenAI losing money on every user?… |
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@simon And we know *why* - because of ChatGPT.Elon Musk is not polluting his da… |
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@foxyoreos my personal suspicion is that the most popular LLMs are the most ene… |
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@foxyoreos I base my estimates of their efficiency on their API prices, which h… |
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@simon adsfasfdasdfasdffasdfasOkay. So. Earlier you talked to me about the Sili… |
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@simon I would not in any conceivable world base energy usage or costs off of w… |
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@foxyoreos "Honestly, if they're not selling at a loss.. why not?"… |
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@simon There are a *BUNCH* of other issues I have with this article, way too ma… |
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@foxyoreos it sounds like you and I have resolved to two different hunchesMy hu… |
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@simon Wait, hold on a second. I'm sorry - your assessment of this is based… |
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@simon I don't necessarily think it's bad to be skeptical of corporate … |
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@foxyoreos I'm not even close to 100% confident, but I have a hunch based o… |
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@simon I guess I'll have to trust you on that, but we are going a very long… |
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@foxyoreos you're making a strong argument, but I'm not quite soldIf th… |
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@foxyoreos I am very honestly undecided on this issue at the momentI understand… |
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@simon I don't think this changes anything.> Is this infrastructure nece… |
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@simon The gold rush is still being fueled by the popularity of ChatGPT - which… |
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@simon Using it promotes AI as a viable business model as a whole as well as (i… |
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@simonGive me an approach which:Does not waste massive amounts of energy (and w… |
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@the_moep we have some of those today:- Does not waste massive amounts of energ… |
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@the_moep- Can actually run locally in a private environment: yes! We have that… |
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@simon Pretty much all of that does not hold true in my opinion:DeepSeek v3, st… |
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@the_moep honestly those are all great rebuttals, I don't have a good count… |
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@simon I don’t care how many showers or whatever using LLM GAIs “costs”; … |
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@Aphrodite right - so people should make THAT argument instead of wasting their… |
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@simon When courts chastise lawyers and litigants for bogus citations that clog… |
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@Aphrodite exactly: we both agree that there are PLENTY of ligitimate criticism… |
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@simon You miss one important thing, your shower has a purpose and gives you a … |
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@Ulli the "but LLMs aren't actually useful" argument is covered b… |
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@simon @Ulli I go to use an LLM and it gives me bad code. How is that useful? S… |
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@kevin @Ulli every time I use them they give me good code - but that's beca… |
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@simon @Ulli This might be stubborn but I don't have months to learn how to… |
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@kevin @Ulli sure, I can understand thatI'm still sticking with VS Code as … |
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@simon I’m really glad you raised this as I work in this field and the framin… |
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@mrchrisadams I would absolutely be up for that - I bet I could learn a TON fro… |
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@simon Yes, it „is very well constructed" and simply wrong in so many wa… |
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@simon Every Month!!With the average price per kWh in the US, this would be an … |
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@simon Additionally it is not a game of „I do this or that“, it is about pr… |
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@simon Additionally, the author is completely missing that he is not paying Cha… |
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@simon The owner of Perplexity said in a recent interview, that he is about to … |
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@simonIt is enough money to convince people that they are paying for a service,… |
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@simon And after all, the results you get from a LLM are pure luck!Those system… |
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@simon There are studies for example with Perplexity (using ChatGPT) and contro… |
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@simon That is completely worthless, and just adds more stupidity into the worl… |
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@Ulli one of the most important skills for making effective use of LLMs for cod… |
