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Post #AsqZt4MDG2gz9sbGl6 by [email protected] |
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I don’t know who needs to hear this, but it seems to come up in my life weekl… |
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Post #AsqZt4U0n2vlY4FUum by [email protected] |
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@markmccaughrean the first line says NASA logos and graphics are not in the pub… |
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Post #AsqZt4tBHT40o81b96 by [email protected] |
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I don’t mean this as any criticism of NASA at all – quite the opposite. The… |
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Post #AsqZt5D25ewXnhJS5Y by [email protected] |
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The usual CC licence used by ESA these days is CC BY-SA, which is essentially t… |
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Post #AsqZt5XarDOEpSvs8W by [email protected] |
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When Marco Trovatello & I worked to introduce CC licensing to ESA about ten… |
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Post #AsqZt5qji2hbmpt9yS by [email protected] |
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But we persuaded them that CC BY-SA would block most commercial use, which it d… |
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Post #AsqZt6DmKN8MwIfYtE by [email protected] |
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An anomaly here is that ESA issues Hubble & JWST images under a more permis… |
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Post #AsqZt6WvBCRjtfcqjA by [email protected] |
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ST-ECF closed 15 years ago & responsibility for issuing HST images for Euro… |
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Post #AsqZt6r7y4bquL4zDs by [email protected] |
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Anyway, the separate ESA HST team continued with CC BY & applied the same t… |
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Post #AsqZt7AGotvDri2H3o by [email protected] |
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To repeat, ESA images are not in the public domain, but neither are NASA images… |
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Post #AsqZt7U7d5nkrHK80G by [email protected] |
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The classic example of this is “hey, why do I see people wearing NASA t-shirt… |
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Post #Asqkq5G8XxJyaCXMau by [email protected] |
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@markmccaughrean it's interesting to know that, I've been fooled into t… |
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Post #Asr1gGkietZ6YNkPmy by [email protected] |
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@markmccaughrean To be fair, NASA's statement on image use is both lengthy … |
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Post #Asr1gGrSFqx8tGtnHs by [email protected] |
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@galaxy_map Perhaps, although I can understand why this level of detail is need… |
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Post #Asr1gGxTtRm1BxibgG by [email protected] |
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@markmccaughrean Right, that is why I said in practice. Most people will equate… |
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Post #Asr1gH3rVisTVkhhcu by [email protected] |
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@markmccaughrean while we are on the subject of image credit, I do think that t… |
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Post #Asr1gH9BBx8BmFBwum by [email protected] |
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@galaxy_map I agree with that & struggle with it myself. In my book, all th… |
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Post #Asr1mH6uF0LfOuzO1A by [email protected] |
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@markmccaughrean Nasa can make any claims they want, but images made by Nasa ar… |
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Post #Asr1mHDzoe1HkuJ34K by [email protected] |
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@markmccaughrean And they say on that page "generally are not subject to c… |
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Post #Asr1mHK1SEqA3b7rSi by [email protected] |
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@wikkit I agree – their webpage is inconsistent, as it says right as the top … |
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Post #Asr1mHRozF4wRmm5cO by [email protected] |
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@wikkit That makes it clear that it's perfectly reasonable for some US govt… |
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Post #Asr1mHYYaCSymfvT7I by [email protected] |
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@wikkit So, for example, if I make an image from JWST data, & if that image… |
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Post #Asr1mHewCTZR6SuZ3w by [email protected] |
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@wikkit And FWIW, that statement on the Wikipedia page about the Huygens image … |
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Post #Asr1mHm1m7F3SSEE76 by [email protected] |
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@wikkit Beneath that is the blanket assertion about NASA images:"This file… |
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Post #Asr1mHsPOOLVmFDK3k by [email protected] |
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@wikkit Don't get me wrong – I'm a strong supporter of Wikipedia &… |
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Post #Asr1nnqY0wi7Dh4AD2 by [email protected] |
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@maccruiskeen It also explicitly mentions “imagery” in that first sentence … |
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Post #Asr1nnxHbu69YaDXhw by [email protected] |
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@maccruiskeen To be clear, CC licenses are a form of copyright, but with certai… |
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Post #Asr1p5NEKmnHrvxscS by [email protected] |
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@galaxy_map I hear you, but the opening line of NASA's webpage explicitly s… |
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Post #Asr1p5UJuQSuDvHXfc by [email protected] |
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did you check the date of that page? did you go to archive.org and compare it t… |
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Post #Asr1p5aLY1HmWc6M40 by [email protected] |
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@blogdiva @galaxy_map This is not something you can lay against the new adminis… |
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Post #Asr1pyzlXDIaNNPvou by [email protected] |
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@markmccaughrean @galaxy_map It's confusing, because they say their photogr… |
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Post #Asr1pz6V8AgciGZJJo by [email protected] |
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@bodhipaksa @galaxy_map No, not really – the NASA usage rights explicitly sta… |
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Post #Asr1pzDahoMF4FsyMy by [email protected] |
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@markmccaughrean @bodhipaksa @galaxy_map I'm confused here, as there are di… |
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Post #Asr1pzKgHS1rQFCdQ8 by [email protected] |
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@FediThing @markmccaughrean @bodhipaksa I agree that the NASA use of the term &… |
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Post #Asr1q6jkkdFAO1zFyK by [email protected] |
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@markmccaughrean @bodhipaksa @galaxy_map p.s. Just to a non-qualified layperson… |
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Post #Asr1s4PQNRTNkJPkDw by [email protected] |
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@galaxy_map @FediThing @bodhipaksa Correct – that's my understanding. Cre… |
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Post #Asr1wMQLLAGCmBtEaO by [email protected] |
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@markmccaughrean But whether it be "real" Public Domain or just incre… |
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Post #Asr1wMX4w7eF752c5I by [email protected] |
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@slowe There's certainly some truth in that historically, but there's n… |
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Post #Asr1wMdSYOkhQs1i1w by [email protected] |
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@markmccaughrean That's good that you got that changed. I was probably one … |
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Post #Asr1wMkY82QJmrLN56 by [email protected] |
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@markmccaughrean I never found the copyright holders for her official photograp… |
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Post #Asr1wN1Z6m2CddIxbU by [email protected] |
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@markmccaughrean On a slightly different note, there was the time when I had to… |
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Post #Asr21EnV7gEAZT2zbs by [email protected] |
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@FediThing @bodhipaksa @galaxy_map I'm not a lawyer, just an astronomer. My… |
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Post #Asr21EvedMkWykrVJo by [email protected] |
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@FediThing @bodhipaksa @galaxy_map I agree that that seems to be inconsistent w… |
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Post #Asr21OmS0RKTX6dIMS by [email protected] |
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@markmccaughrean Yes, it doesn't seem like you could actually enforce any k… |
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Post #Asr22zLxVzxjFc02JU by [email protected] |
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@markmccaughrean @bodhipaksa @galaxy_map it's a US Government agency, anyth… |
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Post #Asr22zSL8H4BZOz8G8 by [email protected] |
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@RandomDamage @bodhipaksa @galaxy_map Correct – I've posted the same US g… |
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Post #Asr2PLIKcMb7fixi5I by [email protected] |
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@markmccaughrean @bodhipaksa @galaxy_map Not a lawyer either but that first par… |
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Post #Asr2Smana6vlCgExwO by [email protected] |
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@slowe Plausibly still the case: https://www.esa.int/About_Us/50_years_of_ESA/5… |
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Post #Asr2U7S9VYKcBtpjUG by [email protected] |
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@slowe Strangely enough, the introduction of CC licensing seems to have bypasse… |
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Post #Asr2U7YX7pR4VgopQu by [email protected] |
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@markmccaughrean Yep. Nobody listened to me. I left. |
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@FediThing @bodhipaksa @galaxy_map I think you need to read the whole document … |
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Post #Asr2b4LfRuEkab78iW by [email protected] |
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@markmccaughrean I don't think that the issue is people not reading the pag… |
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Post #Asr2cd3xroiCXmZs5g by [email protected] |
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@markmccaughrean That criticism can only come from the spectrum of the libertar… |
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Post #Asr2cd9zVPX4qTOgU4 by [email protected] |
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@vruz You'd be surprised how many of my professional astronomy colleagues (… |
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Post #Asr2cdG190Lx9ADUsS by [email protected] |
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@markmccaughrean I'm sorry for your plight against ignorance. |
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Post #Asr2cdLgnutFQks1ia by [email protected] |
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@vruz Indeed 🙂 As for more important matters, let's hope that yesterday&… |
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@markmccaughrean I'm positive the merry, merry month of May will, indeed, b… |
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Post #Asr2dEQwvK5ARmcFYO by [email protected] |
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@markmccaughrean It really is surprising how little people are aware of copyrig… |
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Post #Asr2dEWcaEcSjNGmOW by [email protected] |
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@Luke_Drury I completely agree. The trope about “NASA images are public domai… |
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@markmccaughrean Where can I get T-shirts with ESA logo? I would totally order … |
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Post #Asr3CYlvIY7Rf1GvIG by [email protected] |
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@markmccaughrean @bodhipaksa @galaxy_map I figured you must have, but those pos… |
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Post #Asr3GMiY3fe9QtVYnY by [email protected] |
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@galaxy_map @markmccaughrean @bodhipaksa "users of NASA images must provid… |
