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Yeah. The original UNIX philosophy was "small single-purpose tools that do… |
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Post #AsFS05YRDVXWPsdZ7w by [email protected] |
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@cstross that is an absolutely fucking brilliant way of describing the abominat… |
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Post #AsFS05eopmdyjfcf4a by [email protected] |
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@[email protected] @[email protected] but Unix was a looong time ag… |
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Post #AsFYXK7ues9otOSeVU by [email protected] |
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Insisting that "things change" without deeply understanding the reaso… |
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Post #AsFbB53iIaX7eVaA3E by [email protected] |
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@JessTheUnstill @cstross @hector @quixoticgeek the other thing it does is creat… |
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Post #AsFbB59jwBLzxCOyRc by [email protected] |
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See also: proprietary cloud computing APIs and configurations and shit. I know … |
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Post #AsFuUqqck9FAUwbInY by [email protected] |
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@hector @quixoticgeek @cstrossNobody would be attacking systemd if systemd stoo… |
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Post #AsFuUqx0MQLcojaOkC by [email protected] |
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@leeloo @hector @cstross and if it stuck to being an init system. The fact it&#… |
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Post #AsFuUr2g1Ksv6KEvaK by [email protected] |
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@quixoticgeek @hector @cstrossSystemd can be the Microsoft Office of init syste… |
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Post #AsFuUr93dbzNQ7E1Wy by [email protected] |
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@leeloo @hector @cstross I'm very worried about the intent to replace grub … |
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Post #AsFuVp9qVoGpXw3V5c by [email protected] |
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@hector @cstross that's the voice of someone who hasn't spent a Saturda… |
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Post #AsFuVpGa6lerspCsaW by [email protected] |
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@quixoticgeek You sure you aren't describing sysvinit? Because that miserab… |
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Post #AsFuVpMxj2lKCcByXA by [email protected] |
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@argv_minus_one @hector @cstross in over a quarter century as a sysadmin I'… |
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Post #AsFuVpTLLJrmWPB4To by [email protected] |
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@quixoticgeek Well, I sure have. Shutdowns failing was *normal* back then. Shel… |
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Post #AsFuVpaQuxXOsOUjWy by [email protected] |
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@quixoticgeek And if your complaint is about the complexity of systemd: my dorm… |
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Post #AsFuVpgoXEdrCBTpTc by [email protected] |
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@argv_minus_one @quixoticgeek @hector @cstross Most people who make that argume… |
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Post #AsFuVppK1bRncZScjo by [email protected] |
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@JdeBP Cool, now take care of…* Capturing stdout/stderr into syslog/journal* … |
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Post #AsFuVpwPbF7PyYmHmy by [email protected] |
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@JdeBP By the way, I once had a setup where a daemon was to start when a USB de… |
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Post #AsFuVq2REpwIHFb6BM by [email protected] |
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@argv_minus_one @JdeBP @hector @cstross that sounds like an absolutely horrendo… |
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Post #AsFuVq9ApnKKc8kTgG by [email protected] |
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@quixoticgeek If an attacker can plug arbitrary USB devices into your system, y… |
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Post #AsFuVqGGPQzwy848jQ by [email protected] |
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@argv_minus_one @JdeBP @hector @cstross yep. Physical access and all bets are o… |
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Post #AsFuVqMe1i6PHv3Eg4 by [email protected] |
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@quixoticgeek @hector @cstross Not all bets. There is some qualitative differe… |
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Post #AsFuVqU5a23bf0XBHU by [email protected] |
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@JdeBP @hector @cstross I'll stick to trying to keep people away from my ma… |
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Post #AsFueNJ3QsYLlyRL1c by [email protected] |
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@argv_minus_oneBefore systemd was popularized I found it almost impossible to r… |
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Post #AsFueNwP4a1pk0qlMG by [email protected] |
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@argv_minus_one There are a lot of projects that I simply wouldn't have sta… |
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Post #AsFueObAd0ddmRvJtw by [email protected] |
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@argv_minus_one No doubt that's a “skill issue”, but let's be compl… |
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Post #AsFueVke2BNNxrPU8m by [email protected] |
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That's the great thing about standards. There's so many of them!@Wyatt_… |
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Post #AsFufOLj2X7hIVArR2 by [email protected] |
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@JessTheUnstill @Wyatt_H_Knott @hector @cstross we can't even all agree tha… |
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Post #AsFufOTAar4tfaeo2S by [email protected] |
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@quixoticgeek @JessTheUnstill @Wyatt_H_Knott @hector @cstross https://xkcd.com/… |
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Post #AsFugkcHjkHSeBZGuO by [email protected] |
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@krans Software for landlords? What does that even mean? |
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Post #AsFunuvRo3QSeBwqQ4 by [email protected] |
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@Wyatt_H_Knott @JessTheUnstill @hector @cstross it does. There's coding gui… |
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Post #AsFuoHJeYjrO5dRUCe by [email protected] |
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@JdeBP Unless I'm mistaken, Thunderbolt/USB4 ports allow connected devices … |
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Post #AsFuoHQ2B0xqPQQa9I by [email protected] |
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@argv_minus_one @JdeBP @hector @cstross I have a solution to that. I don't … |
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Post #AsFupdbdAg9TViV1t2 by [email protected] |
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@quixoticgeek @leeloo @hector @cstross This might be what finally pushes me ove… |
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Post #AsFuwBYTrUs0XW9FLM by [email protected] |
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@argv_minus_one @quixoticgeek @hector @cstross It remains as simple. #s6, perp… |
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Post #AsFuwBfDSSG2sPIcqG by [email protected] |
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@JdeBP I expect *all* of the items on my list to be checked off, not just some … |
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Post #AsFuwBlb4jMVCCHimu by [email protected] |
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@argv_minus_one @JdeBP @hector @cstross that's great. And the wonderful thi… |
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Post #AsFuwQBHU2E1tuPQlU by [email protected] |
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@argv_minus_one Go ask this person, I guess. https://mastodon.social/@mhoye/114… |
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Post #AsFv4c7ywvQnGmly9Q by [email protected] |
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@argv_minus_one @JdeBP @hector @cstross ill just use sysvinit as installed on m… |
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Post #AsFvEeQFGzcbHY6KyO by [email protected] |
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@JessTheUnstill @hector @quixoticgeekI'm going to defend systemd without sa… |
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Post #AsFvEeWctGj3bL5Qv2 by [email protected] |
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@ainmosni @JessTheUnstill @hector that terrifies me. Starting a service on plug… |
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Post #AsFvEee4RagFyQZNWS by [email protected] |
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@quixoticgeek @JessTheUnstill @hectorStarting a service on plugging a device in… |
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Post #AsFvIMuKKoLW7RwbnE by [email protected] |
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@leelooHas svchost.exe vibes...@hector @quixoticgeek @cstross |
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Post #AsFvJKaCSlthCOzNke by [email protected] |
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@quixoticgeek @hector @cstrossGrub is a GNU project, so they probably can't… |
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Post #AsFvKM2OXWss05fHwe by [email protected] |
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@argv_minus_one @quixoticgeek @hector @cstross #s6 does have dependency managem… |
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Post #AsFvKM9q5qq4NB9EY4 by [email protected] |
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@JdeBP I see nothing in the s6 documentation to suggest that it tracks dependen… |
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Post #AsFvKPMMBldOIs1lya by [email protected] |
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@argv_minus_one @JdeBP @quixoticgeek @hector @cstross @ska What you want is s6-… |
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Post #AsFvPpqR93LBtSgXVg by [email protected] |
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@JessTheUnstill @GyrosGeier @cstross @hector you say that. There's about to… |
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Post #AsFvRAvyDm5Haeud9s by [email protected] |
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@sertonix Oh boy. The s6-rc rationale page https://www.skarnet.org/software/s6-… |
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Post #AsFvZ2yJhxvFDFlOZE by [email protected] |
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@hector @quixoticgeek UNIX has had a GUI since 1986. In fact, the problem is UN… |
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@leeloo @hector @quixoticgeek @cstross have you met Linux people? 🤣 If it wa… |
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Post #AsFvcL8Idt7YPI0FRw by [email protected] |
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@hector @quixoticgeek @cstross As I recall GUIs were and are run on Unix.I part… |
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Post #AsFveWLPvepPl4B88e by [email protected] |
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@argv_minus_one @hector @cstross good. Take it. Keep it. Don't let it anywh… |
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Post #AsFvf1r2m7XvU8DKEq by [email protected] |
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@ainmosni @JessTheUnstill @hector Cool. Let me plug my drive in and you can aut… |
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Post #AsFvhUTxJEzIqpaXzc by [email protected] |
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@JessTheUnstill @hector @quixoticgeek @cstross probably also why the rust repla… |
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Post #AsFvjK4iyOXf9af0Ua by [email protected] |
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@krans Ah. By “landlords” that person means hosting providers.Well, systemd… |
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Post #AsFvjyYCUDt4gal6zQ by [email protected] |
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@quixoticgeek @JessTheUnstill @hectorUm, you do realise you can easily recognis… |
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@quixoticgeek @hector @cstross One of the things that I had to think about with… |
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Post #AsFx0L8gN3blKXBqJU by [email protected] |
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@argv_minus_one @sertonix @JdeBP @quixoticgeek @hector @cstrossYou and I, appar… |
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Post #AsHMRpjLQuge2RVNHE by [email protected] |
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@cstross regular reminder that the main systemd person is working at Microsoft. |
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@kinderstampfer @cstross it's also worth remembering that systemd was alrea… |
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@noahm @kinderstampfer @cstrossIt's not a Microsoft product, but the system… |
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@leeloo @noahm @kinderstampfer @cstross This honestly got some "Wayland ba… |
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Post #AsHMRq9vq3xDMtwbia by [email protected] |
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@Natanox @noahm @kinderstampfer @cstrossThat's the problem with Systemd fan… |
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Post #AsHNjd17XVKJm8rvIe by [email protected] |
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@leeloo @Natanox @noahm @kinderstampfer @cstross True dat. So why can't peo… |
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Post #AsHNloOWD3G1dnr10q by [email protected] |
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@leeloo @noahm @kinderstampfer @cstross Lol, okay. 😅 One way to shut up crit… |
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Post #AsHNrQCr3MheMP4c9A by [email protected] |
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@Natanox @noahm @kinderstampfer @cstrossCriticism of what? Freedom of choice? |
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Post #AsHO3lNy8R8vWP9nBA by [email protected] |
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@Glenlivet @Natanox @noahm @kinderstampfer @cstross Have you even read my argum… |
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@cstross I like that switching distros doesn't involve having to work out h… |
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Post #AsHO5L3T0EyORCJnpQ by [email protected] |
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@64kb @cstrossSo you're saying that you like the rest of us being forced to… |
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Post #AsHO5L9qcW4qkzItm4 by [email protected] |
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@leeloo @cstross no, I was just offering a different lived experience.For me th… |
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Post #AsHO5LGwC9kT6ycYpE by [email protected] |
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@leeloo @cstross but yeah, I've just found it a pain, switching from redhat… |
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@leeloo @cstross it's funny how we get so worked up about distro specific s… |
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@64kb @cstrossSo you never heard about Pulseaudio, a similarly hated project fr… |
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Post #AsHO5LZN5cUg29FHYe by [email protected] |
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@leeloo @cstross I mentioned pulseaudio.Before pulseaudio, if I wanted to run v… |
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@64kb @cstrossA (very) long time ago, Alsa didn't use software mixing by de… |
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@64kb @cstrossYou have been drinking the Microsoft Kool-Aid. What they call a f… |
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@sam @hector @quixoticgeek @cstrossYeah, I know. Last time I said the same thin… |
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Post #AsHOCWl7sxJ8lTASA4 by [email protected] |
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@leeloo @Glenlivet @noahm @kinderstampfer @cstross Oh god, please be more verbo… |
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@leeloo @noahm @kinderstampfer @cstross Calling other people fanatics (garnerin… |
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@cstross THE GOOD: smf; launchd.THE BAD: systemdTHE UGLY: a maze of twisty /etc… |
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@js @cstross Possibly unpopular opinion: NetBSD/FreeBSD rcNG was a thing of bea… |
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@vriesk @js @cstross If you are talking about Mewburn rc, then that's the e… |
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I'm working on trying to learn most things in a more cloud agnostic way lik… |
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@vriesk @cstross (nodding) not disagreeing. Good taste, the *BSD folk. |
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@JdeBP @js @cstross Yes, I believe that's what I'm talking about - thou… |
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@JdeBP @js @cstross But I do recall building a somewhat complex custom service … |
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@vriesk @js @cstross Interesting factoid for you:People modified van Smoorenbur… |
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Log capturing in binary is cool and that, but doing AI based analyzing built-in… |
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@quixoticgeek @leeloo @hector @cstross @RefurioAnachro Log capturing in binary … |
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@mathew @quixoticgeek @hector @cstross @RefurioAnachroI think he was being sarc… |
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Thanks. I have more ideas! Don't we all hate ./configure? Make it part of s… |
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@RefurioAnachro @leeloo @mathew @quixoticgeek @hector It would, however, always… |
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If I look at mine, 7.25" looks like a bit of a stretch (ow). But then agai… |
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@cstross Which Linux do you have? |
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@carturo222 I mostly run the flavour of Linux called macOS. (Hint: they're … |
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@cstross @carturo222 so you believe in Tim to withstand the Orange One? What wo… |
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@Zeugs @cstross Holy slippery slope fallacy, Batman. |
