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Post #ArWMym4aibruXZeSgK by [email protected] |
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Firefox now has Terms of Use! This'll go over like a lead balloon.You give … |
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Post #ArWN2gCQUxvbTxB8Ua by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart Fat chance. |
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Post #ArWN2oxVvmLaeJGqzw by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart I was literally just about to quote the part that turned bold while … |
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Post #ArWN674J3YzfgS19uK by [email protected] |
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So if they decide ads based on my artwork/writing help me "navigate, exper… |
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Post #ArWNHkO5D4DcoZodKi by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart I'm sure they will, in fact, protect the privacy of those forcin… |
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Post #ArWNJVniPgUK9de8v2 by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart not seeing what’s objectionable about the quoted section |
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Post #ArWNJVyLm8zkgccdUm by [email protected] |
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@copiesofcopies If I upload my artwork to anywhere via Firefox, have I just gra… |
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Post #ArWNUnmVtzSF6cT4EK by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart wtf |
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Post #ArWNf3r6zf25r3VihE by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart oh for fucks sake... I am done with mozilla and their bullshit. sorr… |
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Post #ArWNhMBDppUdGY0mky by [email protected] |
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This clause explicitly separates the information they claim license over from t… |
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Post #ArWNzwv7yQiAQWLiFM by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart Are they TRYING to drive away users? WTF, man. |
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Post #ArWO63SWZm1iRYsimW by [email protected] |
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@scottwilson Sometimes this language gets written without sufficient scrutiny. … |
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Post #ArWOMkMGqV0G7suqEC by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart What makes me chuckle (more like :blobsadreach: ) is the tone deafne… |
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Post #ArWOXVKD4yfsge577Q by [email protected] |
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@scottwilson I think they're being very clear about what they want. In fact… |
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Post #ArWOdUdAZbHYGsnzg8 by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart brb, gonna go install LibreWolf |
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Post #ArWOdUlg3y5UhGmmwK by [email protected] |
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@vkc I ain't gonna tell people what browser to use (it's not a particul… |
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Post #ArWOkwVhJfoklUrYAq by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart BRUH :blobfacepalm: |
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Post #ArWOsfLf0XOzr4qnWy by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart Does this apply to software that uses the Firefox's engine like … |
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Post #ArWOsfX0KMTaQG9rDE by [email protected] |
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@wtrmt No. From the Terms:These Terms only apply to the Executable Code version… |
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Post #ArWOvcOqQXgVZwkQOu by [email protected] |
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@scottwilson @mttaggart Firefox as a service now, huh? :dumpster_fire_gif: |
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Post #ArWOvcWdxXvHy8OeYa by [email protected] |
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@cR0w @mttaggart Jesus Harold Christ. I guess everything I've ever touched … |
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Post #ArWOzHyqHuMJPKKsWe by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart anyone know what the previous terms were?(Going to be so sad when th… |
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Post #ArWOzI8PiK0zt0oWRc by [email protected] |
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@davidhanzlik Per OMG Ubuntu, they are new new: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/202… |
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Post #ArWP3IWmC8rOGO7Tqi by [email protected] |
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@scottwilson @mttaggart Sure feels that way. |
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Post #ArWP5bYUQCCNr71MsC by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart so... express lane into the dumpster fire. Awesome.any browsers out … |
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Post #ArWPBBo34KEPjYxgA4 by [email protected] |
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@da_667 Vivaldi has committed to MV2 support for as long as possible! |
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Post #ArWPF5p9Fiu4L3KyTQ by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart I suppose that brings me to another question. What browser do you us… |
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Post #ArWPHuy44X19XNr4AS by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart @da_667 Their blog says they expect it to end in June 2025 though, a… |
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Post #ArWPJ61SSM6i730J5k by [email protected] |
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@da_667 The very same. Viv has been my standard since I ditched Brave, and I&#… |
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Post #ArWPPHPp0iATBWLfk0 by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart @da_667 https://vivaldi.com/blog/manifest-v3-update-vivaldi-is-futur… |
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Post #ArWPRLp5auR1Qx9etc by [email protected] |
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@cR0w @da_667 True, however their built-in blocker works quite well. I'm un… |
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Post #ArWPRVtM9tn2f5ECw4 by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart They make it REALLY difficult to find an alternative to a chrome bas… |
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Post #ArWPa2xD7OCBWE6Ft2 by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart @da_667 Hopefully it'll keep working well. I've kept it as a… |
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Post #ArWPgbNU2oRw1HVyCm by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart this wording is wonky but you are not providing context and kind of … |
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Post #ArWPkpHAJV4UHYZcjQ by [email protected] |
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@[email protected] Everyone, switch to #LibreWolf. It's based on F… |
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Post #ArWPkpOxqVJGfkDqt6 by [email protected] |
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@TamsynUlthara @mttaggart And what do I use on Android? Which is not Chrome bas… |
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Post #ArWPkpWlNVY33vs52m by [email protected] |
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@si2mevMull,if you can stomach the forced 60Hz and other quality of life things… |
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Post #ArWPnxlLDUTrTKBShU by [email protected] |
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@cienmilojos How the hell can replies to a post be my "posturing?" I … |
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Post #ArWQ8k9J1gxPKdImsC by [email protected] |
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@cR0w @mttaggart @da_667 What do the 3 of ya'll think about Brave? I keep t… |
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Post #ArWQAB58NPVD9T2DE8 by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart Ok. Civil discussion by blocking. Cool. |
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Post #ArWQGyN6211Nl5g0Aq by [email protected] |
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@scottwilson @mttaggart @da_667 I bailed on it a while back both because of Eic… |
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Post #ArWQSoH7OaMxv6WalE by [email protected] |
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@scottwilson @cR0w @mttaggart I've avoided it like the plague because fuck … |
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Post #ArWQgHzIEiqbpucA2i by [email protected] |
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@scottwilson @cR0w @mttaggart youtubers were promoting it, like they promoted o… |
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Post #ArWQgI9vbBM2MtaecS by [email protected] |
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@da_667 @scottwilson @mttaggart I never saw all that, but when I saw the Super … |
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Post #ArWQjjFzJ3lLHN408W by [email protected] |
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@da_667 @scottwilson @cR0w I used it. Hell, it's in the old PWST videos. I&… |
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Post #ArWQvGDD7VNifoGNZg by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart @scottwilson @cR0w I guess that's a fair point, even if I don… |
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Post #ArWR1y5SuGMkUFq4G0 by [email protected] |
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@da_667 @mttaggart @cR0w Maybe Ladybird (https://ladybird.org/) will get things… |
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Post #ArWR4bqw1uBmOgImNU by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart is this not the same boilerplate language used in almost every websi… |
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Post #ArWR4bzRWGzip4HZdg by [email protected] |
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@malusdraco A website is not the intermediary between you and the rest of the w… |
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Post #ArWRGH9io3oJgJeUXQ by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart I removed Firefox. |
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Post #ArWRzo6T9faOtiqFto by [email protected] |
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@scottwilson @cR0w We're all gonna be keying in messages via Meshtastic via… |
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Post #ArWRzoEcfM6lJ0elbk by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart @scottwilson @cR0w I'm ready to answer the call. |
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Post #ArWS2VkdqNwsqfvCCW by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart I don’t know that I buy “any http request” unless that qualifi… |
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Post #ArWS2Vt9KkkpH3tzSi by [email protected] |
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@malusdraco https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-news/firefox-t… |
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Post #ArWSFDSp9Bubtbe5pY by [email protected] |
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This is the press release. I do not believe there is concord between this langu… |
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Post #ArWSLezvgoTL1pCfKK by [email protected] |
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@kirenida @si2mev Mull's maintainer has stopped after 10 years of developme… |
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Post #ArWSLfAD4ahBXi0sLo by [email protected] |
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@regendans @si2mev yeah, I didn't know about that, I used it about a year a… |
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Post #ArWSWyiUiRdrN2Rec4 by [email protected] |
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@Sempf @mttaggart @scottwilson |
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Post #ArWSlelp9r0lqt0A8u by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart @da_667 Thanks for this! I’ve now moved over to Vivaldi. Love the … |
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Post #ArWSy14m3HJUVTl71k by [email protected] |
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Hey FWIW, Vivaldi does not have anything like this language: https://vivaldi.co… |
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Post #ArWTLzE2aFgHiXWUmO by [email protected] |
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@cR0w @Sempf @mttaggart @scottwilson Vivaldi? |
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Post #ArWTfDX3cF9rahaVua by [email protected] |
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@ghostsarespooky @Sempf @mttaggart @scottwilson Nice |
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Post #ArWTtEhk3P37HUGoiG by [email protected] |
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This is your hojillionth reminder that non-profits are corpos that figured out … |
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Post #ArWUaJm15EWvSDoRhg by [email protected] |
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@regendans @kirenida @si2mev IronFox want to keep Mull legacyhttps://gitlab.com… |
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Post #ArWUl5CJcGt1QwFMnY by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart yup. there are some less greedy for profit and non-profit orgs, but … |
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Post #ArWVLzd1HljksKL04m by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart Will have to give it a read later but I hope this doesn't affect… |
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Post #ArWVc4Yui3quoJ5Iau by [email protected] |
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Well shit. What the fuck do we do now? |
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Post #ArWWAGcmMuby4DCJwu by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart Ping @JoeRess @LateNightLinux Why is Mozilla constantly trying to be… |
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Post #ArWWKtoxUYv6WoxqvQ by [email protected] |
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@cR0w @Sempf @mttaggart @scottwilson I'm going to start sending him this wh… |
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Post #ArWWN4JPSOtle4F3zc by [email protected] |
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@Gabrielle @Sempf @mttaggart @scottwilson Yes! Almost as good as a bell. |
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Post #ArWWXZfvhij1oQmjya by [email protected] |
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@cR0w @Sempf @mttaggart @scottwilson Hmm...send to TV as video with a bell soun… |
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Post #ArWWcnXzYWtIHdYyaO by [email protected] |
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@Tubsta @JoeRess @LateNightLinux @mttaggartThey have such potential to be the G… |
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Post #ArWWd9HQkmiPgdz3pI by [email protected] |
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@Gabrielle @Sempf @mttaggart @scottwilson Sorry not sorry, Bill. 😆 |
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Post #ArWYD7sfX9ZDj47Z9U by [email protected] |
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@cR0w @scottwilson @mttaggart @da_667 well, apart from the privacy aspect. I wa… |
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Post #ArWYD82awFVUDqlUci by [email protected] |
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@31113 @scottwilson @mttaggart @da_667 It's so hard to pick the right poiso… |
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Post #ArWYkUodHchaPh93bs by [email protected] |
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@cR0w @scottwilson @mttaggart @da_667 yup, choosing a browser is a lot like cho… |
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Post #ArWYkUyufOvQvZxGdM by [email protected] |
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Post #ArWaNZ7PJqrr0S7WoS by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart as I read it, you give them a limited license to use that content as… |
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Post #ArWaNZFuoDfnQq6K4e by [email protected] |
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@copiesofcopies @mttaggart Yeah, that seems more correct.The last line is prett… |
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Post #ArWaNZOmHGlJsKFOt6 by [email protected] |
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@saphkey @copiesofcopies It didn't. Your interpretation does not require a … |
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Post #ArWbX6DRjVtiDU3TSS by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart Oh goddammit why....Welp, off to something else. Gonna have to check… |
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Post #ArWgmI7uEPNDGsWk0e by [email protected] |
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OK e-mailed [email protected] (Note it is a lot more than this one clau… |
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Post #ArWgmIIBcBb3mlKx28 by [email protected] |
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Which is that this clause is wildly unacceptable, and you need to make very cle… |
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Sounds like a ridiculously overbroad claim so that you can stick "AI"… |
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Post #ArWhjvqOCqeHXQly7M by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart how is this possible? anything i write, upload, input...is basically… |
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Post #ArWhjvzFftjnyuv2vo by [email protected] |
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@eldersea @mttaggart If you send a message to your doctor, they have "oyal… |
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Post #ArWkfnObyQQm2cV0K0 by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart No, if you upload your artwork they can outright steal it and you ca… |
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Post #ArWkfnWPVQfYQo9ETg by [email protected] |
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@rejzor @mttaggart Does it? The fact that the bolding ends before the end of th… |
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Post #ArWkfndr3kckntdB56 by [email protected] |
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@deirdrebeth @rejzor @mttaggart There's no way they *won't* be interpre… |
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Post #ArWldzuuY9kyFWJUnY by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart time for a fork, Mozilla no longer has users best interests in mind. |
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Post #ArWsapo6Ng73hkZEjw by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart @cR0w @da_667 Their built in blocker is not an extension, so it will… |
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Post #ArWsrTJdFyw6s6FTWa by [email protected] |
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@pb4000 @mttaggart @da_667 And even if it were, my understanding is that the up… |
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Post #ArWwPW3jrVef5ajvNI by [email protected] |
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@_tissa_ @mttaggart I'd imagine LibreWolf is unaffected + the devs of that … |
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I have spent my night reading browser Terms and Privacy Policies. Why? Because … |
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Post #ArX9vSG6pIWFyO5NOy by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart https://librewolf.net/ |
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Post #ArXAdCrRR7nwxWPU6y by [email protected] |
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Mozilla has updated their press release with the following clarification:UPDATE… |
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Post #ArXB8BVYW6irjvwdCS by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart As far as I can tell, the privacy notice is about how Mozilla can ac… |
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Post #ArXB8BifjLDMOc56e0 by [email protected] |
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@Schouten_B I do not agree.You give Mozilla all rights necessary to operate Fir… |
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Post #ArXB8BqpF1jinttcLw by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart As I read it, this explicly says in the phrases higher up that any d… |
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@Schouten_B Well, they've clarified in that direction, but I still find the… |
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@mttaggart More specifically the litigation being avoided here is that when a u… |
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Post #ArXBL0Twp2oNJAJ4ZE by [email protected] |
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@Schouten_B What law are you referring to? |
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Post #ArXC75jGcJK7TvOtoO by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart Directive 2001/29/EC and 2001/84/EC. Depends on how you read them fo… |
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@Schouten_B I am certainly not EU law expert, but Article 5, section 2 of 2001/… |
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@mttaggart This feels like the second paragraph says the exact same thing excep… |
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@mttaggart Tbh I'm not even sure what that second paragraph means. |
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@Schouten_B What's that even from? |
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Post #ArXDRbCXPiyspvR04m by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart Google Terms of Service. The ones referred to by Chrome: https://pol… |
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@Schouten_B Yeah I dunno, this is scoped to the Google Services, aka the applic… |
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@mttaggart do other browser have similar business models? I mean if you are in … |
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@buherator As of today, Mozilla's primary revenue comes from search engine … |
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@mttaggart https://www.google.com/chrome/terms/Seem to just apply to Chrome as … |
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Post #ArXDjyg0s6KerAz7eS by [email protected] |
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@Schouten_B I understand that. But the nuance here is where the license for the… |
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Post #ArXDpywslyrVRDjqam by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart so they’ve decided to scrape data from every user & become a m… |
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Post #ArXDpz6SCOWBuuDUVk by [email protected] |
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@TransitBiker Apparently not; keep reading the thread |
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@mttaggartrelevant thing is "Without it, we couldn’t use information typ… |
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@rootsnase Based on this, the charitable reading seems to be what they are clai… |
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@ireneista Many have suggested that the intended meaning here is something like… |
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Post #ArXEbploCZwYs4NOkq by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart No. It is very explicitly listed on several places: https://policies… |
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@Schouten_B This...makes my point? The enumerated services do not include the b… |
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@mttaggart i'm hoping this doesn't apply to forks like librewolf or wat… |
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Post #ArXEjvVsjVU102mlcm by [email protected] |
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@big_louse It explicitly does not. |
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Ope! Got one browser that does.Thanks to @Schouten_B for uncovering the license… |
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@mttaggart Any thoughts on Librewolf? https://librewolf.net/ |
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Post #ArXJ1sj8EMYbO4ng1Y by [email protected] |
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@deFractal Sorry, I have none. Unlike many here, I do not require my browser to… |
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@mttaggart My priority criteria are full @ublockorigin compatibility and suppor… |
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@mttaggart Update: See below in the thread for their clarification.Mind linking… |
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@mttaggart why the hell do THEY need to use information that should only go bet… |
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@mttaggart We might need a description of said "basic functionalities"… |
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Post #ArXk0T1mzWCs9j4qH2 by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart I can switch browsers easily enough. However, I have decades’ wort… |
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@mttaggart Like others, I'm trying to figure out what features this could p… |
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Post #ArXpguVlhKfXKO9pBI by [email protected] |
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@mttaggart My point is that since Mozilla is not in adtech (yet) their TOS will… |
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@buherator They are in adtech, just not as a primary revenue stream. But leavin… |
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@mttaggart the clarification doesn't clarify anything 😞 it is still unde… |
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@c0rb34u It scopes the "license" clause to only the data enumerated i… |
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Found another! Arc has worldwide license language.But its language is clearly-s… |
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@mttaggartOof, mutual arb, too. |
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@mttaggart @s_hentzschel probably worth a blog post? |
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@andjsch @s_hentzschel How about https://taggart-tech.com/mozilla-cycle-pt1/ |
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@saphkey @copiesofcopies @mttaggart So are all software companies that upload c… |
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@rspfau @copiesofcopies @mttaggart The lawsuit environment in USA is quite insa… |
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@rspfau @copiesofcopies @mttaggart In this article, Mozilla just put an update … |
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@saphkey @rspfau @copiesofcopies @mttaggart And yet there is no explanation of … |
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@kevin @saphkey @rspfau @mttaggart to do what you’re using Firefox to do. To … |
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@copiesofcopies @kevin @saphkey @rspfau @mttaggart so far, it was always clear … |
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@tekknovator @copiesofcopies @kevin @rspfau @mttaggart Firefox comes with servi… |
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@saphkey @tekknovator @copiesofcopies @rspfau @mttaggart But none of those are … |
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@kevin @tekknovator @copiesofcopies @rspfau @mttaggart Crash logs might include… |
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@saphkey @tekknovator @copiesofcopies @rspfau @mttaggart Indeed, but the broadn… |
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@kevin @tekknovator @copiesofcopies @rspfau @mttaggart Which part of the terms … |
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@kevin @tekknovator @copiesofcopies @rspfau @mttaggart Oh, right I actually rem… |
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@saphkey @kevin @copiesofcopies @rspfau @mttaggart that would actually make sen… |
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@tekknovator @kevin @copiesofcopies @rspfau @mttaggart Cuz that's not the o… |
