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Current reporting from NYT and others (gift link: https://www.nytimes.com/live/… |
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... The pagers apparently were programmed to beep and then display a message os… |
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@mattblaze Sadly, I have a feeling we'll now see more of this. |
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Post #Am6tWvTqieoH9W0jHE by [email protected] |
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@mattblaze cc @lutzray |
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Post #Am6tYq2JvmUsqb2vOC by [email protected] |
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Unclear from reporting how they were triggered. Some possibilities include:- co… |
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@mattblaze Holy #asymmetricalwarfare, Batman! |
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Post #Am6tk3Q6VlTjXcWES0 by [email protected] |
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@mattblaze that would eliminate the possibility of the device being off or out … |
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Post #Am6tqzlaUeA6ElsSdU by [email protected] |
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@LexyCameron Sadly not so novel... |
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Post #Am6tzKhuWJPfV58KBM by [email protected] |
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@mattblaze Group text? |
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@mattblaze I don't think so—the desirability of triggering it would depen… |
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Post #Am6uV7wFWt15AK06fw by [email protected] |
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... The disadvantage (to the attacker) of offline pre-scheduled triggering is t… |
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Post #Am6uc4fq48yx4EdaQy by [email protected] |
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@mattblaze It would certainly be the simplest, but at risk of logistical holdup… |
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Post #Am6v8xriOt1JVWsMWu by [email protected] |
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@mattblaze The NYT article says the explosions were triggered by a message but … |
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Notably, the NYT reporting isn't hedging even slightly on identifying Israe… |
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@EricFielding Very unclear. It says "the pagers received a message..."… |
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Post #Am6vsIJtCLD3ydfXZQ by [email protected] |
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@mattblaze So... Israel did a massive terrorism |
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Post #Am6vtkqGdeaMj7VfX6 by [email protected] |
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As I've noted elsewhere, one-way pagers (at least the kind that don't e… |
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@mattblaze I'm sensing new requirements for a Faraday Bag. You too?https://… |
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Post #Am6w3du1IIoy6GyozI by [email protected] |
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@mattblaze This makes sense, but it seems remarkably... unfocused? Like, just p… |
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@mattblaze The pagers used where I live, Sweden, use pocsag. Many years ago the… |
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@mattblaze ……… if this isn’t a war crime and act of terrorism, I don’… |
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Post #Am6wwvAqmTXzasD9VY by [email protected] |
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@dtelder There are a couple others. I believe FLEX is the most common in the US. |
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Post #Am6x5ezaJUaC0t6oCG by [email protected] |
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@mattblaze @EricFielding The service provider will be able to say whether the m… |
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Post #Am6yzox4ZTYR4aHFNw by [email protected] |
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@SteveBellovin @mattblaze I used to have a Skytel two-way pager (Motorola hardw… |
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@wollman @SteveBellovin These are one-way pagers, however. |
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Post #Am6zwYqG6w7IC76EOu by [email protected] |
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@mattblaze @SteveBellovin The mechanism to send pages from the PSTN was the sam… |
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@SteveBellovin I'm not actually sure how group pages actually work over the… |
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@mattblaze One could argue that this is better targeting than an indiscriminate… |
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Post #Am71SAgLZWp6U76GkS by [email protected] |
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Another note: a supply chain compromise is a very powerful capability, and by u… |
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@mattblaze If Iran and Co now swap out gear, that's (potentially) a golden … |
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@mattblaze I don't know, either, and my time carrying a pager was the late … |
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Post #Am71oP5qfi0PYFd5oO by [email protected] |
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@mattblaze @SteveBellovin This makes sense, but I don't pretend to know any… |
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@mattblaze Disrupting Hezbollah's communications was undoubtedly one of the… |
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Post #Am72YxO3V7NdESLNrs by [email protected] |
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@ukuku Hidden explosives aren't the only useful way to exploit a supply cha… |
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Post #Am72ul02EnV7BTVI8G by [email protected] |
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@mattblaze @ukuku Indeed; and 9 fatalities vs. 3000 compromised devices? Those … |
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@mattblazeOr somebody thought they were logged in to the test system like those… |
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@mattblaze What are the odds of Israel stepping up operations against Hezbollah… |
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Post #Am767Tj24dp5EhJBiK by [email protected] |
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@mattblaze @SteveBellovin Flex pager radios, back in 1998, had a while bunch of… |
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Post #Am769AHLLZ3zVEA3dI by [email protected] |
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@mattblaze There are reports that the supply chain was compromised during an Is… |
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@mattblaze This is state terrorism. Israel is waging war against civilians, wit… |
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@mattblaze Sounds like an implausible science fiction story line. Wild! |
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@mattblaze @paul_ipv6 Do they still make two-way pagers? I assume those would b… |
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@[email protected] I wish more people were into radios and we had more … |
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@mattblaze 3000 simultanous attacks in one country. how is that not terrorism. |
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Post #Am7S4FBprFG2HIdyBU by [email protected] |
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@mattblaze What a stupid waste of intel capability. Imagine the possibilities, … |
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Post #Am7Ud8rbZQxehWwvS4 by [email protected] |
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@mattblaze the thing about pagers is they have a nice reliable digital radio in… |
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@mattblaze @SteveBellovin we (volunteer firefighters in AU) use VHF broadcast p… |
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@mattblazeIt also imposes huge costs on Hezbollah's sourcing operations, th… |
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@mattblaze it depends on the threat model, because wearing a pager outside of t… |
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@mattblaze interesting - so there’s no way to know if a page was received? |
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Post #Am8CigT6S5PcM6wRyy by [email protected] |
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@mattblaze And now, walkie-talkies. |
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@mattblaze @SteveBellovin after reading the standards, there seem to be two pha… |
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The plot continues to thicken, with another wave of exploding devices reported … |
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@mattblaze We're the explosive charges in those pagers and radios too small… |
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Post #Am8Wz3tf6zVEjZS3Ps by [email protected] |
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@Eka_FOOF_A That's the easy part. The hard part is intercepting the shipmen… |
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@LockEx Reports about the pagers were "1 or 2 ounces" and "a few… |
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@mattblaze ICOM IC-82 handheld VHF transceivers according tohttps://www.latimes… |
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@_ Maybe. Maybe that's one of several different devices. Conflicting report… |
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Post #Am8cIs6n9JqhjgrGm8 by [email protected] |
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@mattblaze so uh, if someone lived somewhere else and had happen to bought walk… |
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@mattblaze The thing I don't get: This, as you mention, burns the capabilit… |
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@mattblaze It's likely, IMHO, that was part of the point. They want to disr… |
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Note that there are obviously a large number of moral, ethical, and legal quest… |
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On the latest round of explosions, so far I've found a couple photos of a m… |
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@mattblaze I may store some radios for emergency use away from the house until … |
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@mattblaze Do pagers work on planes?I've seen people saying this attack cou… |
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At this point, everyone in Lebanon and Hezbollah has to be wondering what's… |
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@mattblaze Tomorrow it's gonna be one modern car whose brake-by-wire fails … |
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Post #Am8j7IanYXUW4wK2d6 by [email protected] |
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@mattblaze Well...here we see what kind of an ally Israel is. If Iran supplies… |
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Post #Am8jBCsYjzUTW6Udua by [email protected] |
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@mattblaze Perhaps Israel had indications that the supply chain tainting was ab… |
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So I've now seen video and stills of several different exploded radios. All… |
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Walkie-talkie radios differ from pagers in several relevant ways here. First, t… |
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Icom may not be a household name (well, it is in my household, but I'm a ne… |
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@mattblaze ⬆️ So pick up this thread it's quite informative to say the … |
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Post #Am8lm0ye9cMLE81HaC by [email protected] |
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In any case, the V82 battery does not have a data connection to the host radio,… |
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@mattblaze One story said a home solar array was part of the second wave of exp… |
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@ClimateJenny Yeah. I'll bet there's a lot of noise in these reports. P… |
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@alienghic I suppose in principle you could do something like that, but it woul… |
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@mattblaze when i think about how much expense and risk is involved to compromi… |
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@mattblaze There are reports that Israel wanted to use this as part of a coordi… |
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@mattblaze @alienghic This smells like a timing device, for sure. |
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@mattblaze I think explosives in batteries is more plausible than in radios, as… |
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@mattblaze Interesting thread. I am guessing remote detonation. That seems to b… |
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Post #Am8sEOxZBFTvROQwKm by [email protected] |
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@mattblaze my take: The Mossad tampered with the pouch-sized battery to incorpo… |
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Post #Am8sM6QRyR0kH6cF4y by [email protected] |
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@mattblaze Wonder if the battery pack case for the radio is large enough to hol… |
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@lutzray that’s all very clever, but would the circuit to do this be any smal… |
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@mattblaze off the shelves micro-controllers are ridiculously small nowadays ht… |
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@VE2UWY it’s POSSIBLE that you may also be a nerd. |
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@lutzray and now you also have to extensively modify the host radio, from the R… |
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@michaelslade almost certainly yes. |
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Current reporting says at least 20 deaths and 450 injuries from today’s walki… |
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@mattblaze all the triggering hidden circuit (inside the pouch) has to do is mo… |
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Notably, yesterday the fact that Hezbollah had recently ordered and received a … |
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@lutzray who knows. Maybe. Maybe not. |
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@mattblaze Maybe it stems from the Hezbollah top brass saying they had to pivot… |
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@mattblaze israel back by Putin is desperate to start an all out war in the mid… |
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@mattblaze Your focus is very helpful. |
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@mattblaze https://mas.to/@BackFromTheDud/113161130155874460 |
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Important caveats on all this: there’s a lot we don’t know, and much of wha… |
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Some new details reported in this NYT article (gift link: https://www.nytimes.c… |
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... So we know a lot more about the pagers at this point than the exploding wal… |
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@mattblaze al Jazeera reported 3g of petn in the pagers, three month delay in a… |
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Hezbollah's scale works against them here. The problem with the pagers was … |
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But again, none of this was necessarily how the exploding walkie-talkies were d… |
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@kcarruthers Yep. The cost of this operation was that you can't re-use the … |
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Also notable: While Israel isn't saying anything publicly, it apparently di… |
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@mattblaze Yeah, I think "scale" is the thing that I take away from t… |
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@tomjennings Absolutely no Hungarian pagers allowed past the checkpoint! |
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@mattblaze @kcarruthers But it also means that Hezbollah is now paranoid about … |
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@michaelgemar @kcarruthers Yes. Morality aside, there were significant benefits… |
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@mattblaze If it were completely offline, the clock would have to stay powered … |
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@mattblazeWho should be checking their devices for explosives, and how should t… |
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@mattblaze https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_terrorism |
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@mattblaze apply this to another large organisation with a complex supply-chain… |
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@kcarruthers @mattblaze I think it's harder to interpret than that. A few p… |
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@kcarruthers @mattblaze That's not to say I think this was some sort of gen… |
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@mattblaze @_dm @kcarruthers Israel doesn’t want to deescalate. Israel wants … |
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@mattblaze What surprises me is that anyone is surprised. The team that tracked… |
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Lebanese military now doing controlled demolitions of suspect pagers and walkie… |
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@mattblaze " kill them all and let the God of Abraham sort it out"- J… |
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After another day, the contrast between the large amount of information known/l… |
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@mattblaze interesting! I was wondering about that myself. Makes sense. |
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And we know almost NOTHING about how the radios were compromised, not even insi… |
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@mattblaze do we even know that the radios blew up rather than served as a targ… |
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@eigen Yeah, I saw a couple of those reports, but they didn't seem well sou… |
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@mattblaze Bunnie has a credible breakdown of the engineering required to make … |
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@choong the pagers were custom manufactured. |
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An important tl;dr takeaway from this whole story: These explosions were not ca… |
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@mattblaze An important detail. Nonetheless, any opponent of Israel has got to … |
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@alienghic the “special militia discount” should have been a red flag. |
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@mattblazeI understand why this isn't obvious, but I think it's a failu… |
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@dymaxion i mean, it’s obvious if you’re reading the stories and paying att… |
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@mattblazeOh, absolutely — as I said, I understand why this isn't obvious… |
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@fullyabstract @mattblaze It is one of those ideas too good for those desiring … |
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@mark @fullyabstract @mattblaze It's way cheaper than that to do.https://ww… |
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@BillySmith @mark @fullyabstract the expensive part isn’t the device. It’s … |
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@mattblaze And anybody who believed this is possible on a variety of devices wi… |
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@mattblaze - One can assume that many batches of such devices will be exchange… |
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@BenAveling @mattblaze @kcarruthers Both can be true, depending on what you mea… |
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@_dm @BenAveling @mattblaze they just want a war and don’t care who suffers f… |
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@kcarruthers @_dm @BenAveling @mattblaze Hezbollah started the was on October 8… |
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@_dm @kcarruthers @pait @mattblaze I’m pretty sure that Israel has been tryin… |
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@BenAveling @mattblaze @kcarruthers I'm absolutely not defending Israel her… |
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@mattblaze @EricFielding : what I don’t understand is how you manage to get f… |
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@ploum @EricFielding The exploding pagers were custom made by the attacker. |
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A bit more info has come out about the exploding walkie-talkies: according to a… |
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@mattblaze Bunnie called it... https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/2024/turning-… |
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Ultimately, the interesting part of this whole story isn't the specifics of… |
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@mattblaze I've been wondering how the rigged pagers were never discovered … |
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@mattblaze The whole story reminds me an awful lot of Le Carré's Little Dr… |
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@jamesmarshall One thing that I've not seen reported is how long the rigged… |
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@jamesmarshall @mattblaze For that last bit, I think it's clear that Israel… |
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@mhkohne @jamesmarshall I'd be very surprised if that wasn't a signific… |
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@mattblaze @mhkohne @jamesmarshall Bunnie hypothesizes that one could make a ba… |
