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1/ Meta: Ok, thinking out loud, what is the purpose of this? What have we learn… | |
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2/ Also they will both be absolutely enraged that anyone would dare to say suc… | |
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3/ Anyway. If we remove ideological doctrines that are extrapolated from simpli… | |
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4/ but then the question really becomes: who cares? It is what it is.But I thin… | |
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5/ my problem is that why should I trust the judgement of yet another economist? | |
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6/ I seems to me that having your own economist means that they can allow you t… | |
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@Patricia What's left? Private property is the fundamental problem. Neither… | |
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@wackJackle that is literally Yet Another Simplistic Model | |
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@wackJackle maybe human brains really need this, the satisfaction of taking som… | |
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7/ In business there has been a lot of talk about mission, vision, culture, “… | |
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8/ So I guess my question is, to what degree can one “steer” an economy wit… | |
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@Patricia I've been following your extensive rants on this topic with inter… | |
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@nsa I think maybe if I am right… it’s perhaps even more important to under… | |
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@nsa so for racism you have “obvious” systems like apartheid, but then also… | |
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@Patricia by extension, can we operate a society without some sort of myth fram… | |
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@danlyke lol, I needed to get there 😂https://social.vivaldi.net/@Patricia/11… | |
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@danlyke I feel like I need more than that. Maybe we could operate with shared … | |
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@Patricia feels related: Have you seen "Book of Mormon"? One of the t… | |
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@danlyke what is science if not this? | |
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@Patricia My answer was too short. I didn't mean to say that 'private p… | |
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@wackJackle I’m not looking for yet another model, I’m trying to figure out… | |
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@alienghic I actually think we need to stop with the models and start studying … | |
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@Patricia But there is private property or there isn't. For private propert… | |
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@wackJackle an economy doesn’t “run on a model” that’s the whole point.… | |
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@Patricia I think shared values and vision only get us so far without at least … | |
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@danlyke having goals we want to achieve and a plan to achieve them should be p… | |
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@danlyke but I do think that the whole “values” thing that businesses do mi… | |
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@Patricia yeah, I guess the point is deriving and updating the models from data… | |
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@danlyke I think the fundamental mistake economics did was to try to make model… | |
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@Patricia Yes. Though we need some kind of theory to know what our empirical wo… | |
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@wackJackle in science we study the data first, then we might form an hypothesi… | |
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@Patricia I like the way the German sociologist Niklas Luhmann thinks about the… | |
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@wackJackle I fundamentally disagree 😂 we can form hypotheses, but science h… | |
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9/ After talking to a bunch of you, I think maybe one can operate consistently … | |
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@danlyke @Patricia but what is the alternative to having a model? If you don’… | |
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@BenAveling I think what @Patricia is actually asking for might be better descr… | |
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@danlyke @Patricia There are no verifiable models here. There are models that �… | |
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@Patricia Yes, of course, but what 'data'? Before you got your 'dat… | |
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@wackJackle with a complex system you need to build All The Metrics across all … | |
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@BenAveling @danlyke “if we do x, y will happen” is in science either a ver… | |
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@BenAveling @danlyke I think I have to write something long form… because I t… | |
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@alienghic thanks! | |
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10/ but I think we need to explicitly extract dogma extrapolated from these mod… | |
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@BenAveling @danlyke maybe this paper is useful? https://social.vivaldi.net/@Pa… | |
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@Patricia extroverts seem to need the song and dance so they feel like they are… | |
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@mhoemmen I once did a talk at an organization about inclusion and after one of… | |
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@Patricia @danlyke Economics *can* be a science, if it follows the same guideli… | |
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@per_sonne @danlyke I completely agree, there should be such a social science. … | |
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@Patricia @danlyke Not Marxist-leaning economics, which have a strong penchant … | |
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@per_sonne @danlyke Marxism is just a different simplistic model. | |
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@Patricia English is my second language and that also helps our disagreement, b… | |
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@Patricia It's a coincedence and the main topic of this conversation is som… | |
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@wackJackle that was a bit too long and our difference of opinion is very simpl… | |
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@Patricia 'sensors all over the planet.' Temperature, humidity, wind, s… | |
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@wackJackle I’m sorry but this is a bit too philosophical for me 😅 I’m t… | |
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@Patricia Well, the philosophy of science is talking about this very problem si… | |
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@wackJackle lol that’s kind of the point. They are. | |
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@Patricia it's telling that such people respond poorly to productivity argu… | |
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@Patricia Sometimes that "common vision" can steer a company straight… | |
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@schmerg oh that was interesting |