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1/ After struggling to figure out where to go next, I have started on Prof Davi… |
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2/ The prologue is promising, he is arguing at capitalism is clearly failing an… |
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3/ Oh, this is funny. Here he is actually practicing the methodology described … |
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4/ By the way, he also wrote this about Piketty’s Capital.https://hachyderm.i… |
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5/ In that post Harvey also discusses how Piketty and Marx define “Capital”… |
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@Patricia at least you didn’t pick anything by Niall Ferguson :) |
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@bobthomson70 I don’t know anything about him 😂 |
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@MonniauxD according to Harvey’s post he hasn’t: “Volume 2 of Marx’s Ca… |
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@MonniauxD Piketty has not read Das Kapital: https://www.newstatesman.com/busin… |
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@MonniauxD “I never managed to really read it” |
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@Patricia @MonniauxD The number of people who’ve read Das Kapital can probabl… |
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@alper @MonniauxD why not? |
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@Patricia @MonniauxD Poorly written and solutions in there that 1. have been tr… |
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@alper @MonniauxD have you read it? |
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@Patricia @MonniauxD I’ve started it. I don’t think anybody needs to have f… |
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@alper @MonniauxD ok |
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@Patricia I'm not sure that reading Das Kapital should be required for any … |
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@nok this is one of the most influential works in recent memory. I would absolu… |
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6/ Finally!!! After Piketty completely ignored it, Harvey in his introduction: … |
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@Patricia it's over 150 years old. It's hugely important, yes, but for … |
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@nok I think reading influential texts are really important to understand the m… |
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7/ I was starved for actual critical analysis of what is included and what is n… |
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8/ He is explicitly explaining how he has created a model and what he has left … |
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@Patricia I think one aspect of Piketty is that he's not trying to argue ag… |
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@Patricia if he was going to argue against Marx, he would have to read Das Kapi… |
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@nok Piketty’s book is ridiculously shallow and weak and it would’ve been i… |
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@nok ignorance isn’t a feature, and I think you and I are done with this. |
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@Patricia I'm about a third of the way through this, and it's good! Her… |
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@neilnjae that sounds very promising, I couldn’t find it as an audio book 😭 |
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@Patricia Is Piketty going to be the kind of book you'll read out of sheer … |
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@lachlan I got to chapter 5, so we managed to get through all of his data (see … |
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@Patricia I took Dr. Harvey's "Reading Marx's Capital" at uni… |
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@jspath55 I’m quite jealous, I think I would’ve found that very interesting |
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@Tallish_Tom @bobthomson70 omg that would piss me off to such an extreme degree |
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@Patricia There was a class field trip to Baltimore's Fells Point waterfron… |
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@neilnjae @Patricia saw this recently, it’s a compelling argument I think. ht… |
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9/ I digressed into a video where the author of “Late Soviet Britain” Dr Ab… |
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10/ Towards the end she also brings up the part I have spoken about in a Norweg… |
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@Patricia I would credit where I saw it to start with but I’ll need to search… |
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@bobthomson70 and searching isn’t one of mastodon’s strengths tbh |
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11/ Back to the book. He continues to be very explicit in saying that the mecha… |
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@MonniauxD that is the book I am referring to, but since I mentioned it earlier… |
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@MonniauxD I have a whole other thread on that book |
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12/ First annoyance, he did the whole “frontier land is free” thing that Pi… |
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13/ Chapter 1 seems to be about the “economics of home ownership” not sure … |
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14/ lol he got to this right after 😅 |
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15/ He has actually mentioned Norway in this chapter, and since as a Norwegian … |
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@neilnjae @Patricia On my reading list |
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@thomasfricke @neilnjae … I’m thinking I might just have to order it on pap… |
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16/ Ok, for context, the chapter is called “Use value and exchange value” a… |
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@Patricia it was @cstross whom I think you’ll find interesting to follow if y… |
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@bobthomson70 @cstross omg that is so funny. That might predate my first rant? |
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@bobthomson70 @cstross rofl same day I started Unaccountability Machine 🤣 |
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@Patricia @bobthomson70 TBF I haven't read "Late Soviet Britain" … |
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@cstross @bobthomson70 it sounds very on topic for my current thinking, maybe v… |
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@Patricia my understanding is that native American tribes didn't have a con… |
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@tedmielczarek stealing another people’s land goes under many names, one is o… |
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17/ Ok, chapter 2 concludes that even if we only consider and support “use va… |
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@Patricia The focus on use value & exchange value sounds a lot like chapter… |
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@typeswitch is this volume 1? |
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18/ Chapter 2 seems to be about money, so far a bit too abstract for me. If you… |
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19/ I’m struggling with his definitions here because it seems to me that he i… |
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20/ I’ve been interrupted too much, I’ll start the chapter from scratch |
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21/ “Money, in the first instance, is a means whereby I can make a claim on t… |
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@Patricia yes, vol 1 chapter 1 section 1. I started reading it yesterday becaus… |
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@Patricia Happens to me all the time |
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@Nonya_Bidniss 💜💜💜 |
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@lewiscowles1986 but he seems to associate the claim with the labor not with th… |
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@Patricia i think it's: the homegrown tomatoes are a product of his own lab… |
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@typeswitch it’s difficult for me to read this through a neutral lens, becaus… |
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@typeswitch and “social labor” is a weird word choice for me but hey Marx l… |
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22/ Ok, he seems to say that the work is infused metaphorically into the produc… |
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@Patricia @lewiscowles1986 yeah i think it means they are paying you for the wo… |
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@lewiscowles1986 @Patricia well i was just thinking about that. the usual justi… |
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23/ “monies which were originally required to give physical form to the immat… |
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@Patricia so what's going on when you buy something and its value goes up. … |
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@mrsbeanbag it’s an energy portal 🙈 |
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@Patricia It's arguably much broader than economics. Not letting a crisis g… |
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@againsthimself I do discuss that a bit in the thread on The Shock Doctrine |
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@Patricia Not a native speaker either, but I don’t think the confusion is you… |
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@noctuaminervae 🤷🏻♀️ |
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@Patricia Honestly a pretty good proposal. |
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@krans I absolutely believe that the financial risk of unpaid labor should be c… |
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24/ ok, I give up on this part and tbh I’m not sure it’s important. He has … |
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25/ I’m completely serious about this because iirc France erased a lot of its… |
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26/ this pisses me off to no end, because we’re so fucking smug about it, but… |
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27/ Ok, I think the homeowner thing was maybe a metaphor for money? Basically s… |
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@PatriciaPaper currency disappeared in 1455806: Paper CurrencyChina experienced… |
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@AlanHicksLondon oh wow, I don’t remember the inflation thing, but maybe I wa… |
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@PatriciaI've only just read it thanks to following your posts. |
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@AlanHicksLondon there was much more about these periods in the book, both the … |
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@AlanHicksLondon it was very interesting to see similar problems occur with dif… |
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28/ “If exchange value weakens and ultimately disappears as the guiding means… |
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29/ tbh I feel we’re way too far into model land here. Are humans intrinsical… |
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30/ Ah ok, what if money expires/rots like a gift card? Tbh then I think a mone… |
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31/ this idea was Keynes’. And apparently Marx agreed with me? Maybe? |
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32/ Wait? Is Harvey a crypto guy? Because he sounds like a crypto guy. |
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@[email protected] I think you are focusing too much on the money asp… |
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@deepbluev7 tbh I don’t know either yet. But I get suspicious when someone st… |
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33/ Chapter 2 is over and I still don’t know where he is going with this. Thi… |
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34/ He brings up the problem of land in North America and the Native view of na… |
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35/ I feel like this whole book is building towards something, but it is very h… |
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36/ ok he went from defining concepts in baby steps to jumping to conclusions a… |
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37/ This seems very US centric and seems to assume that a state is inherently i… |
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@Patricia interesting to contemplate the difference between that and inflation … |
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@Patricia Hmm. I'd argue that a capitalist state *is* imperialistic… |
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@krans but hey, maybe that’s where he’s going with this. But this feels ver… |
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38/ I’m becoming annoyed now, basically we went from private property is a fo… |
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39/ … I don’t know what to say… remember when I said that capitalism has … |
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40/ White men with way too much time on their hands… the dazzling confidence … |
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41/ I’ll try a bit more, but jeez. |
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42/ this is exactly the same absolute irreverence for other human beings that t… |
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43/ Ok, chapter 3 done. And.. it’s not even an argument, it’s just a bunch … |
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44/ Started on chapter 4 “Private Appropriation and Common Wealth” and it�… |
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45/ it’s recycled antisemitic tropes reframed as more sanitized class wording… |
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46/ Ok, that’s harsh, but I’m several books in and I actually had hopes for… |
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47/ Chapter 4 is actually worse than 3. We have now become fully YouTube rabbit… |
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48/ once for start of alt text |
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49/ again for the rest of the alt text |
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50/ I don’t even know what to say |
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51/ this stuff is not helpful, it sounds deranged, so how are you going to get … |
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52/ All of these people scare me. Either side. |
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@Patricia FWIW, my read of this passage is, I think, somewhat different from yo… |
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@rst this is just fantasy talk whatever they mean. We are not in any kind of ra… |
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@Patricia Well, he's saying himself that a model which reduces everything t… |
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@rst they’re both… 😳 oh well, I guess this confirms my theory that it’… |
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@jautero first part I don’t understand, maybe we’re misunderstanding each o… |
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@Patricia I feel like David Harvey is quoting it because it is an over the top … |
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@typeswitch I felt the context came through in the screenshot, but Harvey is cl… |
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53/ And for people who might feel that I misrepresented the quote, feel free to… |
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@cakeisnotalie tbh that is not the part that scares me, it is their inclination… |
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@Patricia I think the main drive behind revolutionary thinking like this is the… |
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@alper Oh, I agree we have massive issues, all over the world. But it’s alway… |
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54/ Either side is so ready to “make sacrifices” but who are they sacrifici… |
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@Patricia As always the weakest in society, they don't care about them at a… |
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@sotolf but this time it’s the “left” and they are doing the exact same t… |
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@Patricia i need to find you again that loooong ass paper that describe how lat… |
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@Di4na the thing is, no offense, it doesn’t really matter who is at fault (bu… |
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55/ This refusal by economics (and by extension fundamentalist political moveme… |
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@Patricia Yeah, there is the "left" and then there si the "left&… |
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@sotolf there is probably some level of class to this, but tbh it seems to me t… |
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56/ If a tech person decided to run around a hospital installing their favorite… |
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@Patricia Yeah no sure I get that. What I mean is that class really makes a dif… |
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@sotolf the people who do the actual revolution aren’t economists, they are r… |
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@Patricia modern capitalism as an unconscious expression of Calvinist theology.… |
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@mrsbeanbag but this guy… I think he’s some flavor of communist or somethin… |
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@Patricia i believe it was this one (another charity shop purchase) https://www… |
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@Patricia well i think this is one part of it he neglected to challenge. it per… |
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@mrsbeanbag this binary thinking is everywhere, them vs us. |
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57/ to quote part of post number 45 (numbering sucks because now I know how lon… |
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58/ leftist folks thought I’d be nicer to the leftist economist (tbqh so did … |
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59/ Alright these are the contradictions from the title of the book, which soun… |
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60/ remaining (some we have done already) |
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61/ The last/first one (the one who didn’t fit in the polls) I feel I did too… |
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@Patricia read any Monbiot? Could be a palette cleanser :)https://www.monbiot.c… |
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@bobthomson70 that’s what this was supposed to be, jeez people said Piketty w… |
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@Patricia Sounds familiar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkness_at_Noon |
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@einarwh they both end up in the same place where they need a bit of “tempora… |
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@Patricia would pay to read this as a thing in a periodical actually, your book… |
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@kaoudis I was sure everyone was sick and tired of this by now 🙈 |
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@Patricia I can’t speak for “everyone” but I am pretty entertained! |
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@kaoudis 💜💜💜 |
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@kaoudis @Patricia I can second that. This is 200% the kind of content I'm … |
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@plexus 💜💜💜 |
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@kaoudis @Patricia +1! |
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@Kensan @kaoudis 💜💜💜 |
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@torb I think the book is from 2014 so I’ll accept that |
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@jautero ah then we are talking about different things on the first. I am talki… |
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@Patricia I was going to continue with a rant about an episode of Into Africa p… |
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@jautero I’m starting to suspect you haven’t been reading my threads. Never… |
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@jautero taps sign 😉https://social.vivaldi.net/@Patricia/112706430542190002 |
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@AGreenCup I’m not sure… that seems very sexist? Or am I misinterpreting? |
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@AGreenCup by the way you might not like this thread… I ragequit this book �… |
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@splendorr yeah… me too. And it scares me that either side has such a simplis… |
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62/ y’all voted so the least I can do is to read the most popular chapter: �… |
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