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Post #AjITm0LdB66TEceQ88 by [email protected] |
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Quick Assange frequent misconceptions thread:1) "Assange was merely wanted… |
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Post #AjITm1rvWVWzx4lj6m by [email protected] |
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2) "What he was accused of wasn't rape" - he penetrated without a… |
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Post #AjIUM38oGoqUK4qEwS by [email protected] |
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3) "Swedish prosecutors being willing to interview Assange in the Ecuadori… |
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Post #AjIUMTXW7a3eCEbL3w by [email protected] |
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4) "The women didn't want him to be charged" - after the initial … |
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Post #AjIVNQ56Z3QPiMKG9I by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 Maybe a CW on this particular post? |
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@bmac acab includes time policemen. |
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5) "This was an obvious pretext so he could be extradited to the US" … |
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Post #AjIX7H3uWulh16CEAy by [email protected] |
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6) "He was being prosecuted for journalism" - the charge he plead gui… |
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Post #AjIXQuJaoRQsG9tR56 by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 Hello— this (point 5) is an interesting claim, do you happen to have a… |
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Post #AjIXQuPcS2FkYqiFTU by [email protected] |
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@mcc https://www.aklagare.se/en/media/press-service/the-assange-matter/facts-ab… |
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Post #AjIZUPeUxSASE9TFei by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 Best lock him up without trial for several years then… |
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Post #AjIZUPkAcMhkVk7mUq by [email protected] |
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@mxtthxw If he wanted a trial, all he had to do was go to Sweden. |
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Post #AjIZrHEIRHl8lW7LgO by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 6 you kind of lost me. How does a "real journalist" legally ac… |
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Post #AjIZrHKg3Yrb5J6Rd2 by [email protected] |
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@ciaranmak If someone illegally obtains material about war crimes and gives the… |
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Post #AjIZrKMCoKruSuqCvY by [email protected] |
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@ciaranmak Taking it into the real-world realm - if someone breaks into a house… |
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Post #AjIaeNukNGPJgfOESm by [email protected] |
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@ciaranmak @mjg59 exactly. Pentagon papers were also obtained illegally, and El… |
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Post #AjIaeO0m0rEBzMD2rA by [email protected] |
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@efialto @ciaranmak Ellsberg? No, he wasn't a journalist at all. He gave th… |
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Post #AjIaulKj4RHcxALoNE by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 In the real world, Assange isn't from the United States, protected b… |
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Post #AjIaulQ2kfXLDeq3f6 by [email protected] |
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@ciaranmak Asking someone to commit a crime on your behalf is kind of the exact… |
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Post #AjIbCVFnamwWIQVPPc by [email protected] |
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@ciaranmak So, you get to make a choice. If you believe there's material of… |
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Post #AjIbdST23pPJTMY4X2 by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 Conspiring to commit the crime of exposing the literal mass murder of ci… |
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Post #AjIbdSZ3hQEBm3MsvQ by [email protected] |
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@ciaranmak Conspiring to commit the crime of illegal access to computers in ord… |
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Post #AjIg0quRkd3DkumYIS by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 Chelsea Manning could have gotten out of the Army & found more sympa… |
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Post #AjIgqHl9gNSznZxf3g by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 @ciaranmak you’re drawing a distinction that does not exist in the tex… |
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Post #AjIgqHrBJyHs6GmTS4 by [email protected] |
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@theothersimo @ciaranmak I'm drawing a distinction that's well establis… |
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Post #AjIiGqZextvZG1oVyy by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 @ciaranmak the espionage act forbids sharing lost or misfiled classified… |
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Post #AjIiGqgkXXbBc18B28 by [email protected] |
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@theothersimo @ciaranmak So, for example, Reality Winner mailing classified ma… |
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Post #AjIjNZfKKTGwnWEhtI by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 @ciaranmak what about Woodward and Bernstein meeting Mark Felt in a park… |
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Post #AjIjNZlLy45p6D3WHg by [email protected] |
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@theothersimo @ciaranmak That would be a great question to ask a lawyer! Like I… |
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Post #AjIlyM7JrgTVOtzoQa by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 @theothersimo Back to my original point, even when illegal, it's sti… |
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Post #AjIlyMDhTxZxigyuNE by [email protected] |
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@ciaranmak @theothersimo Is your contention really that it's journalism eve… |
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Post #AjIlyMXYI9SUiGGlJg by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 @theothersimo This isn't a misconception, it's reality. |
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Post #AjImrNW4Me1rfQoF4S by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 Also he sent his lawyers to the UK Supreme Court to argue, and try to se… |
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Post #AjImrNcRyv8JzDnL16 by [email protected] |
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@Diziet He wasn't granted leave to appeal that bit, so that was just at the… |
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Post #AjIngbp0w6J4nu6DXU by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 @theothersimo Well the alternative is letting murderous heavily armed ba… |
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Post #AjIngbvOYNPX7h5JU8 by [email protected] |
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@ciaranmak @theothersimo I mean that ends up being an argument that it should b… |
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Post #AjIoJvrSMcsSFTzapE by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 @ciaranmak @theothersimo I would think that *is* journalism, but that do… |
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Post #AjIoJvyBxaGUaN8yK8 by [email protected] |
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@johnaldis @ciaranmak @theothersimo Note that in my original post I said "… |
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Post #AjIoJwGGsMj7URbPVI by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 @ciaranmak @theothersimo For comparison, computer programming is still c… |
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Post #AjIoSw1L8mKxLiuMhU by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 @theothersimo Your troops being scumbag murderers and you arguing it'… |
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Post #AjIoSw7MmN9pePjB5s by [email protected] |
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@ciaranmak @theothersimo If you agree that legitimate journalism might involve… |
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Post #AjJMPkITfXfoYuZi4m by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 @mxtthxw That’s false and you know it. The US government was looking t… |
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Post #AjJMPkOrHomGshYo1Q by [email protected] |
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@itorres @mxtthxw I mean I'm Irish but |
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Post #AjJUwQ8uQG8LFCBttA by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 @ciaranmak Sure, the journalist was Sheehan, who without Ellsberg consen… |
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Post #AjJUwQEw3qxDXt0iHY by [email protected] |
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@efialto @ciaranmak Except for the bit where Sheehan didn't ask Ellsberg to… |
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Post #AjJVyTDq2mZjKQ2PNw by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 @ciaranmak Ellsberg told Sheehan not to copy the whole document but just… |
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Post #AjJVyTKDf3gBeD1VKa by [email protected] |
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@efialto @ciaranmak If I ask you to rob a bank because I stand to benefit from … |
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Post #AjJWqS8wGuNvcSUFvc by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 @ciaranmak But what if the bank owner is a felon and I don't see a d… |
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@efialto @ciaranmak Then you're still guilty of conspiracy but there's … |
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Post #AjJXncb72uNn81sY5Y by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 @ciaranmak On that we agree. Guilty of a conspiracy crime which apparent… |
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Post #AjJXnciCcY3PU1CD8i by [email protected] |
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@efialto @ciaranmak Well yeah the social bargain we've largely accepted is … |
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Post #AjJY2t7lskbSjGQzKa by [email protected] |
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@efialto @ciaranmak I think there's an entirely reasonable conversation to … |
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Post #AjJYPVLOSkXldVafD6 by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 @efialto I agree with that but you originally said "He was prosecut… |
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Post #AjJYPVSU2ODNzUuKGG by [email protected] |
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@ciaranmak @efialto Was the output of the phone hacking scandal journalism? |
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Post #AjJZC0fZIaO8gr9jdI by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 @efialto Yes. In so far as plenty of journalists got confirmation of fac… |
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Post #AjJZC0lawBD0zXyY1g by [email protected] |
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@ciaranmak @efialto See my point here is that that definition results in a huge… |
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Post #AjJZfNUtVKr9t5AQJU by [email protected] |
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@ciaranmak @mjg59 That's why Assange handled it to several journalists. The… |
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@efialto @ciaranmak If he didn't publish it himself then it's certainly… |
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Post #AjJbNuEzE5hu8RWU1Q by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 @ciaranmak I reiterate: the debate is if journalism is only about contra… |
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Post #AjJbNuLip35wTKfrWK by [email protected] |
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@efialto @ciaranmak Realistically the concept of journalism is a social constru… |
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Post #AjJbODSnkx2zkn8Hh2 by [email protected] |
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@efialto @ciaranmak But I do appreciate you engaging with me in a genuine manne… |
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Post #AjJbgluCROGzmmnP3g by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 @ciaranmak @theothersimo I didn’t see people saying that ‘phone hack… |
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@johnaldis @ciaranmak @theothersimo In that scenario, what is the definition o… |
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Post #AjJeBh4Eg8QLfMMXi4 by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 @ciaranmak @theothersimo Publishing current information, I suppose—jou… |
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Post #AjJeBhAyH5oO0FVvCy by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 @ciaranmak @theothersimo Perhaps Assange’s lack of editorial oversight… |
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Post #AjJeBhGHxK46Gk0AUq by [email protected] |
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@johnaldis @ciaranmak @theothersimo Mm I guess I'd say that I wouldn't … |
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Post #AjLMBsE3mXnTPloWES by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 He most certainly was. The UK & Sweden have a co-operation treaty al… |
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Post #AjLMBsKROotvjYncB6 by [email protected] |
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@PariaSansPortefeuille Well, yes, no charges had been filed because the investi… |
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@mjg59 and btw, there was nothing "usual" about authorities' hand… |
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@PariaSansPortefeuille It would absolutely not surprise me if Sweden were polit… |
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Post #AjLQMbCboYuxcTVMWG by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 It was *several years later* that the US went for extradition, while Ass… |
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@PariaSansPortefeuille European law means that Sweden couldn't simply defer… |
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@mjg59 and your suggestion that it would have been "more complicated"… |
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@PariaSansPortefeuille If he were in Sweden, both Sweden and the UK would have … |
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Post #AjLTGTlGrmy2fPUVpg by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 [sigh] who cares? it's irrelevant. What basis would the UK have to … |
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Post #AjLTGTreU44UzCTbmK by [email protected] |
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@PariaSansPortefeuille So why not just go to Sweden in the first place and avoi… |
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Post #AjLUR91KQBbVTmeRoO by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 *He* understood that time was on *their* side, which is why all his acti… |
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Post #AjLUR97i2ShxnZdXl2 by [email protected] |
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@PariaSansPortefeuille So why not go to Sweden in 2010? That would have been mu… |
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Post #AjLWDLTDXJMpwiFBnk by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 It wouldn't have "avoided" anything. They would have plod… |
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@PariaSansPortefeuille He couldn't be charged until the preliminary investi… |
