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On balance I think it's worth celebrating the US choosing not to use the en… |
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@gwm Assuming the truth of your second paragraph, where's the conflict with… |
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@gwm (1) I feel like the issuance of an arrest warrant is a pretty strong indic… |
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@mjg59 The plea deal has a sting in the tail. It sets up a legal precedent for … |
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@riggbeck @mjg59 Indeed. I have little sympathy for Assange given the allegatio… |
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@richh @riggbeck The argument is that he did significantly more than simply han… |
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@riggbeck The whistleblower in this case was Chelsea Manning, not Assange, and … |
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@gwm (1) Yes, because he hadn't been questioned yet, and the process involv… |
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@mjg59 I would have thought the whistleblower was the one who blew the whistle,… |
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@riggbeck No - for instance, Ellsberg was the Pentagon Papers whistleblower, no… |
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@riggbeck @mjg59 Whistleblowers are canonically inside the organisation about w… |
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@ajlanes @mjg59 If that's the usage, fine. In practice, I think of both Man… |
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@riggbeck @ajlanes That's great, but that's not what anyone else means … |
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@mjg59 @ajlanes Since the US government prosecuted both Manning and and Assange… |
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@riggbeck @ajlanes Again, that's fine, but since it's not how the word … |
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@mjg59 @gwm It is absurd to say that questioning a suspect is necessary before … |
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@gwm First off, I am entirely on team "The carceral state is bullshit"… |
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@mjg59 @riggbeck That's not what the "conspiracy" charge means, l… |
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@mjg59 @ajlanes I think Assange is generally understood to be a whistleblower. … |
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@riggbeck @ajlanes It's generally understood that he created a site that wh… |
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@newstik @gwm You're very responding to something I didn't say. |
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@newstik @riggbeck The details of the alleged conspiracy are well documented in… |
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@mjg59 @ajlanes I really don't care. |
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@riggbeck @ajlanes That's fine, facts don't care about your feelings he… |
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@gwm If he'd simply gone back to Sweden, they would have done. |
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@mjg59 @gwm You said "the process involved (Assange) being questioned firs… |
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@newstik @gwm It's entirely common in most jurisdictions for a suspect to b… |
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@gwm No, it's ultimately on the individual who chose to claim asylum rather… |
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@mjg59 Then it's a case of the word not matching the action. |
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@riggbeck @mjg59 “Everyone else in the world is using this word wrong” isn�… |
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@gwm so why did he not go to Sweden? |
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@gwm He couldn't have been extradited to the US without the UK approving it… |
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@gwm The entirely normal thing to happen when you're wanted in a foreign co… |
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@gwm do you have numbers to support that claim? |
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@mjg59 @newstik @gwm I came into this genuinely on the fence about the rape all… |
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@nottrobin @newstik @gwm Explains their behaviour in what way? He was arrested … |
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@gwm Here's one from literally yesterday - https://www.ekathimerini.com/new… |
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@gwm Here's the one the UK issued for Andrew Tate: https://www.forbes.com/s… |
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@gwm What are you defining as "questioning only"? |
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@gwm Bedfordshire police have merely said that they're investigating the ac… |
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@gwm It's not uncommon to use "Facing charges" to refer to the po… |
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@mjg59 @newstik @gwmWhat's "arrest in absence"?Not my arguments, … |
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@nottrobin @newstik @gwm From https://web.archive.org/web/20190502114026/https:… |
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@mjg59 @newstik @gwm It wouldn't take much to convince me. I'm strongly… |
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@nottrobin @newstik @gwm There's a lot of misremembered things and half tru… |
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@gwm @nottrobin @newstik In cases where an extradition treaty exists, how commo… |
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@mjg59 @newstik @gwm Thanks that's great. Yes I agree, there areLooking at … |
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@nottrobin @newstik @gwm I mean, that's kind of an important point - the ar… |
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@mjg59 @newstik @gwm I do remember effectively reaching this conclusion years a… |
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@gwm @nottrobin @newstik Yes, because at that point he'd claimed asylum in … |
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@gwm @nottrobin @newstik The normal process involved Assange going to Sweden, e… |
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@gwm @nottrobin @newstik The normal and just process is, if possible, to allow … |
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@riggbeck assange isn't – and never was – a journalist, investigative o… |
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@richh is it very different from, for example, the hague tribunal asking for ar… |
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@mjg59 what a world might we live in nowadays if only he could have kept it in … |
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@alecmuffett he would need to not be an abusive gobshite for that… @mjg59 |
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@gwm @nottrobin @newstik I'd really encourage you to read section 142 of ht… |
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@mjg59 Well, that's not at all the conclusion of the UN Special Rapporteur … |
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@PariaSansPortefeuille Based on the description of what happened, both Swedish … |
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@mjg59 @gwm Such questioning is generally a trap.The first advice any lawyer wi… |
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@mjg59 @gwm @nottrobin Thanks to the invention of videoconferencing, it is not … |
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@gwm @nottrobin @newstik He would need to participate, but in doing so could sa… |
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@gwm @mjg59 @nottrobin Of course. He has the right to remain silent, and such s… |
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@mjg59 I'd like to see your "footnote" which accompanies that cla… |
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@PariaSansPortefeuille See section 116 of https://www.wired.com/images_blogs/th… |
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@newstik @gwm @nottrobin This entire argument hinges on you demonstrating that … |
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@nottrobin @mjg59 @gwm Why should Assange answer any questions? It is his right… |
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@newstik @mjg59 @gwm of course, he absolutely doesn't have to. I don't … |
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@nottrobin @mjg59 @gwm You can not evade charges by anything Assange did or did… |
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@mjg59 @gwm @nottrobin No, that is not my argument at all. The point is that, f… |
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@newstik @nottrobin @gwm That isn't what the Swedish prosecutor asserts abo… |
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@newstik @gwm @nottrobin No, it's not. See section 142 of https://www.wired… |
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@mawhrin @riggbeck @mjg59 Israel has signed up to the Haig and ratified relevan… |
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@richh @mawhrin @riggbeck Extradition treaties generally just require that perf… |
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@mjg59 116 states that *if* the allegation - for which no charges had been laid… |
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@PariaSansPortefeuille So you agree that based on the description of what happe… |
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@mjg59btw this whole trope of Assange as a pig-headed drama queen "martyri… |
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@mjg59 In fact Assange's attempted gambit - of getting ironclad guarantees … |
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@PariaSansPortefeuille How could Sweden give ironclad guarantees that he wouldn… |
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@mjg59 The allegations changed over time, and that court didn't even have a… |
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@PariaSansPortefeuille So the assertion that "According to the testimony … |
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@mjg59 FYI |
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@PariaSansPortefeuille The equivalent in that case would be the UK requesting t… |
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@mjg59 I'm afraid I'm not following the analogy here (if that's wha… |
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@PariaSansPortefeuille But in doing so would have to conclude that the US was, … |
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@mjg59 which as Melzer argues, it had ample basis for. And even a UK judge made… |
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@PariaSansPortefeuille A ruling that was only made after it was clear how the U… |
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@PariaSansPortefeuille Swedish law already forbids extradition in the event tha… |
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@mjg59 @gwm @nottrobin Nothing in s. 142 f contradicts what I said. It quotes t… |
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@mjg59 I suggest you read Melzer's long-form interview, and his book. There… |
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@PariaSansPortefeuille I agree that what happened in Sweden has nothing to do w… |
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@newstik @mjg59 @gwm this is a very strange statement. People evade the law all… |
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@nottrobin @mjg59 @gwm You may be able to evade arrest, but you can not evade b… |
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@newstik @gwm @nottrobin Paragraph 7 directly contradicts you there |
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@mjg59 So this argument relies on the - and I mean no disrespect, I'm sure … |
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@PariaSansPortefeuille I agree with you regarding this being strongly influence… |
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@mjg59 @gwm @nottrobin Paragraph 7? Is that a typo?7 says that Assange did not … |
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@newstik @gwm @nottrobin Paragraph 7 within section 142, which extremely clearl… |
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@mjg59 @gwm @nottrobin Not at all.Look, I don't tell you how to interpret b… |
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@mjg59 @gwm @nottrobin That "it will be concluded when" is their deci… |
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@newstik @gwm @nottrobin Please do point at the relevant Swedish law |
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@mjg59 @gwm @nottrobin Good man, you are asking me to prove a negative.The requ… |
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@newstik @gwm @nottrobin I ask only because, as a teacher, I'm always willi… |
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@newstik @gwm @nottrobin But thank you for the reference! My interpretation of … |
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@mjg59 @nottrobin @gwm @newstik https://www.congreso.es/docu/docum/ddocum/dosie… |
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Post #AjK62aXcN2GTXIYJdI by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 @gwm @nottrobin What part of the law do you draw that conclusion from?An… |
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Post #AjKW5rOQlnVjThTZhY by [email protected] |
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@newstik @gwm @nottrobin 23:18a |
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@mjg59 @gwm @nottrobin I don't see how. Nothing in 18a talks about question… |
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@newstik @gwm @nottrobin It indicates that the investigation is completed once … |
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@mjg59 @gwm @nottrobin You're clinging to absurd concepts.You have to inter… |
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Post #AjKjCizVhnBcqpQIr2 by [email protected] |
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@newstik @gwm @nottrobin Is that true? 35:4 appears to indicate that adverse in… |
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Post #AjKp72mhng16E86m6y by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 @gwm @nottrobin Yes, that's true. 35:4 does not indicate otherwise.F… |
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Post #AjKvEiv88boOf35tPk by [email protected] |
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@newstik @gwm @nottrobin My interpretation of it is that the court may take int… |
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Post #AjKvQ7cSeFxuRsnSyG by [email protected] |
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@newstik @gwm @nottrobin The commentary I've found on how this interacts wi… |
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Post #AjKvthIL5RbHUZUIEK by [email protected] |
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@newstik @gwm @nottrobin (Although now I think about that most of this may pre-… |
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Post #AjKzbEWDjjW0qgQp7o by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 @newstik @gwm Update:In another thread someone mentioned Nils Melzer'… |
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@nottrobin @newstik @gwm English courts concluded that the alleged facts amount… |
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@mjg59 @newstik @gwm Maybe there's nothing that could convince you. I think… |
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Post #AjLRqjD8hfJR6DgRN2 by [email protected] |
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@nottrobin @newstik @gwm I've read it. I disagree with the claim that the f… |
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Post #AjLcp9C2EKc0b9cEXA by [email protected] |
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@mjg59 @gwm @nottrobin It is technically true that the European Directive only … |
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@newstik @gwm @nottrobin https://www.congreso.es/docu/docum/ddocum/dosieres/sle… |
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@mjg59 @gwm @nottrobin That refers to 2 decisions by the European Court of Huma… |
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Post #AjLfbgVjrHLLjw6VrU by [email protected] |
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@newstik @gwm @nottrobin It provides evidence that (pre-2016 at least) there wa… |
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@nottrobin @mjg59 @newstik @gwm The behaviour of the 🇸🇪 authorities, cha… |
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@PariaSansPortefeuille @nottrobin @newstik @gwm People should feel free to read… |
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Post #AjPgWooURKFGczxSin by [email protected] |
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@PariaSansPortefeuille @nottrobin @newstik @gwm yeah nah |
