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I started reading “The Unaccountability Machine” which is actually quite in… |
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Thanks to @vaurora for pointing me in this direction 🤓 |
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I guess everyone probably needs to get stuff explained in a way that ties in wi… |
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@Patricia i usually think of cybernetics as a different way of describing capit… |
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@Apiary I’m only halfway through one book lol, but it seems more… waterfall… |
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@Patricia and you would be absolutely right, see for example Piaget, Jerome Bru… |
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@Apiary and I don’t know what I think about that part. But like a friend once… |
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@hallvors does it have a name? |
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@Patricia oh yeah.Also cybernetics are not exactly about economics, but you can… |
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@Di4na that is probably why it parses, I can think of it as a (computer) system. |
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@Apiary like he had a bit about Chile and I was: ah they tried to build a monit… |
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@Patricia if you want to dive deeper into this stuff later, there is a whole fi… |
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@Di4na do you have some books you’d recommend? (Bonus points for them being a… |
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@Patricia here is a fun exercise i recommend.As a manager/leader. How would you… |
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@Di4na tbqh I don’t think I can become “good at it” regardless of feedbac… |
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@Patricia nah, one single term would be too easy 🙈. Piaget talks of schemes … |
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@Patricia There are some dangers or trying to think of economics like programmi… |
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@shafik that’s exactly it. I’m not saying it’s a good program. It’s act… |
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@hallvors ooh the scaffolding thing I like. It’s more three dimensional than … |
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@Patricia once you understand that most of the field of economics in the Englis… |
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@vaurora do you have a link to that, that might also help |
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I have been sidetracked into what is a side quest in the book. A strange electr… |
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Post #Aj3eGTDiTqeXdfiS48 by [email protected] |
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This thing is wild “Project Cybersyn” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project… |
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Also, even if I kind of grew up in this, I hadn’t really thought about it for… |
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@Patricia it’s an amazing aesthetic that’s hard to believe was real. |
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Post #Aj3f7najTHQmAPuVvc by [email protected] |
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@petersibley it’s fantastic 🤩 |
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Post #Aj3fHyxE4zLwIuHt5s by [email protected] |
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This scholarship might be progressively more relevant for the rest of the world… |
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Post #Aj3gFhj5GJIYFN9Nei by [email protected] |
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The US had their hand in pretty much every single military dictatorship in Lati… |
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And the US is still doing this BS apparently: https://www.reuters.com/investiga… |
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Post #Aj3gMLAxVCnwKqLwfI by [email protected] |
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@Patricia project cybersyn! |
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@kaynSD it’s amazing, I had never heard of this before |
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@regehr I have no idea where the book it heading and maybe I won’t like it. B… |
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@Patricia there’s also a good essay on this history here: https://thereader.m… |
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@petersibley oooh nice, thanks! |
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@regehr I found it was on Audible so I bought it planning to try to listen to i… |
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@Patricia Another fun recent US regime change project that wasn’t widely cove… |
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@petersibley you sometimes get a feeling that the US doesn’t consider other c… |
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@regehr I haven’t even started yet. Need to finish this one first 😅 |
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@Patricia I just spent two weeks in Colombia and hoo boy is that country an obj… |
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@tedmielczarek it’s so sad. So many beautiful cultures and people, such poten… |
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@Patricia i’ve been on a bit of US coup related history binge - this sense of… |
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@Patricia @petersibley Russia is doing so with supporting fascist parties in Eu… |
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@PeterSommerlad @petersibley and bribing politicians in the EU parliament. So m… |
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@Patricia @petersibley How to Hide an Empire is awesome. I grew up on US milita… |
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@ingalls @petersibley they don’t have it on audible here 😭 |
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@petersibley @Patricia check your local library via Libby. |
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@ingalls @petersibley oh we have that here in Norway too https://deichman.no/vi… |
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Finished first read, but now I need to reread the beginning. Current impression… |
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He also seems to think that the international tendency to elect populist wannab… |
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@Patricia great book "finks" by joel whitney on CIA propaganda also m… |
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@Patricia I always claimed Sarbanes-Oxley and corresponding outrageous bonuses … |
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@Patricia Have you rethought the meaning of "Readable Code" with that? |
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@Patricia I dunno, I think those voters are pretty infantile,. They know thing… |
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@ThreeSigma perhaps, but I would’ve preferred some actual research behind suc… |
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@Patricia the history of that project is super cool! |
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@roundcrisis it’s amazing! |
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@PeterSommerlad he brings up some examples of that actually |
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@dascandy oh I definitely think a large part of what folks have in mind when th… |
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@Patricia It also affects what people think of as English based on where they g… |
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I think I need to have lunch with an economist. I have questions. |
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@Patricia my take is that it is very hard to have enough information to know ho… |
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@Patricia in general I think of this as the same as the advice for changing UI:… |
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@vaurora that is the kind of research I’d be interested in. I feel that reduc… |
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@Patricia Maybe now that Ælon Møsk has put Nicolai Tangen on his shitlist, yo… |
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@worldwidewerner lol |
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I think the people for which Cybernetics will make the most sense are people wh… |
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Possibly also folks working in machine learning |
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And people in distributed systems tbh |
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@Patricia *stares in control systems engineer* 🤨 |
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@Uglesett hm, what kinds of systems fall into “control systems”? |
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Basically any field where you have acknowledged that the systems you are concer… |
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@Uglesett how does this fit?https://social.vivaldi.net/@Patricia/11264330570508… |
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Oh shit, this fits with medicine too, doesn’t it, @siljelb ? |
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@Patricia Basically any system relying on measured feedback to automatically pe… |
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@Patricia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineering_cybernetics |
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@Uglesett ah yeah, that probably fits… I guess I sort of imagined that it wou… |
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I guess the fundamental difference from modeling is that even though you might … |
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As a programmer, it’s funny to read about people believing in their models. I… |
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@Patricia @siljelb yes kinda. It is a bit not fuzzy enough for medicine in its … |
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@Di4na @siljelb wait… is it possible that I dug into that when I was reading … |
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@Patricia I'll get back to you when I'm waiting for my flight later, be… |
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@Uglesett nice! Enjoy! |
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@Patricia links and backlinkshttp://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/CybernetIcs |
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@billseitz yeah, it is very simplistic, I agree. What I find useful is that it … |
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@Patricia i personally disagree with the end result and logic of the argument b… |
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@Di4na Yeah, though I find the book extremely interesting in the stories it tel… |
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@PatriciaThis reminds me - have you ever watched this talk https://www.youtube.… |
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@tmr232 I have to check, but the model he and @HalvarFlake developed, “the We… |
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@tmr232 @HalvarFlake Ooh I haven’t seen this one 🤓 |
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@Patricia What kind of economist though? The mainstream one or some more niche … |
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@hazardius one of each would be good, probably at different lunches or they’l… |
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@ryanc same |
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@siljelb right?? That just makes sense to me |
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@Patricia this is a good starting place with links to other versions:https://co… |
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The more I think about this, the more I need an economist to tell me this isn�… |
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I’m sorry, but that’s on level with worshiping kubernetes. That’s fucking… |
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@Patricia If I understand them correctly, it is precisely because we do not all… |
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@eternalgoldenbraid the “market” isn’t an entity. It’s a distributed sy… |
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@Patricia I haven't read his book yet, may not, but I was not too long ago … |
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@danlyke I’m going way further here, I’m saying they are just models, they … |
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@danlyke and that’s not really the point of the book. This is just me wonderi… |
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@Patricia I don't know about the book, but, yes, I think you're summing… |
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@danlyke that’s extremely naive, no offense. And I’m quite shocked tbh. |
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I guess I have to read Piketty’s Capital book now. Because this is blowing my… |
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@Patricia > > this idea of believing in a “market” as ...> > st… |
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@pelavarre there is an awesome book that I really recommend called Money by Jac… |
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@pelavarre I just consider it a useful abstraction, like references. |
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@Patricia yes. And, yeah, in my twenties I was an Ayn Rand quoting "Object… |
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@danlyke I have apparently been naive too, because I have assumed these people … |
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This world needs a whole lot of intellectuals who are not privileged white men … |
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@Patricia if you’re looking for interesting unorthodox economic history - you… |
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@petersibley thanks! That sounds very interesting! |
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@Patricia There are certainly a lot of people who not only believe they know wh… |
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@eternalgoldenbraid oh I’m not even remotely pretending that I have the secre… |
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@siljelb @Patricia on that note: is there a "Falsehoods programmers believ… |
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@Patricia I see. I guess I just haven’t encountered market-oriented people li… |
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@eternalgoldenbraid I’m just saying that the “market” isn’t any more th… |
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@Patricia Have you read Debt: The First 5000 Years, by David Graeber? It's … |
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@jyasskin @petersibley just recommended it to me, so it’s on my list now.http… |
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@Patricia my impression is that the field of economics is a collection of confl… |
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By the way, I wouldn’t expect me to be more impressed by communism. |
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@Patricia now I want to find out about worshipping kubernetes. Or maybe I shoul… |
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@Patricia > Money is a construct and can collapse. Even just by losing faith… |
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Gah… I have to read Marx too now? |
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@pelavarre oh the Freakanomics books blew my mind back in the day. I read two, … |
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@skjaeve oh no, I just made that up, but now I’m worried 😅 |
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@PatriciaApple iBooks today sells only "Freakonomics Rev Ed" and &quo… |
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@Patricia > Money is a construct and can collapse. Even just by losing faith… |
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@Patricia yeah you do actually, sorry, them's the rules |
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@mrsbeanbag I mean… fair |
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@Patricia actually the movies are better than his books. I have no idea how, bu… |
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@pelavarre I have washed dishes full time so I am definitely “overpaid” in … |
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@pelavarre I did? Until now? Or I assumed? But now I’m starting to question t… |
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@tofagerl ooh we have arrived at communism jokes! I’m ready 😂 |
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@Patricia My position is that nothing that's that awful to read can be any … |
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@alper is it? 😰😬 |
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@alper that will drive me crazy. Team Topology pissed me off, it is rude to be … |
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@Patricia > more superstitious than I imagined!!i've not seen anyone po… |
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@Patricia Unreadable drivel. That's why it's so obscure and feels like … |
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@alper I’m not looking forward to it then |
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@randomphrase I’m glad it’s useful 💜 |
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@Patricia @alper if you can stomach spoken word audio, I can recommend a thing … |
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@janl @alper yes please, and I prefer spoken word audio because my life doesn�… |
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I’m rereading the beginning again, and he talks about (in my words, field and… |
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Or in his terminology where the systems responses can be both negative and posi… |
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But as for the amplification I thought of stories told by Audun Ytterdal on inc… |
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The point I’m getting to is that these systems are complex, they might not ev… |
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Trying to “simplify” these systems to a model, draw conclusions and assert … |
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@Patricia okay, hear me out. There is a podcast (I know, stay with me) about re… |
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@janl that feels like cheating tho, I feel I have to give the real thing a go f… |
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This behavior of complex distributed systems has led to a whole subfield in tes… |
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Lol, now I remembered the financial crisis mantra “Too Big To Fail” 💀😂 |
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@Patricia I think you might appreciate the perspective of https://en.wikipedia.… |
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@mweagle lol, that’s the core of the problem isn’t it? Not having the stoma… |
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@Patricia it’s the kind of book that makes you think “…fuck” |
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@Lingmops ok, but this is the last one, because my backlog is now intimidating … |
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@Patricia more “lets kill things at random to stop the developers getting com… |
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@stevel exactly! Some stuff suddenly behaves differently than usual and now thi… |
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@Patricia Yes. Messy and adaptive doesn't really align with an unshakable e… |
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@mweagle it’s mind blowing to me that folks would believe that. That is some … |
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@Patricia Google’s chubby paper discusses production problems with running a … |
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@Patricia having spent far too much time playing with models: if you can create… |
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@Patricia Cybernetic Revolutionaries is a deep dive into project cybersyn by Ed… |
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@shauna hardcover 1,437$ 😳😰 |
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@cpm 😬 |
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@Patricia Markets can ensure that no one person or group is allowed to dominate… |
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@eternalgoldenbraid lol, there are potentially millions of systems that could d… |
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@cpm oh no |
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@Patricia Some 10-12 years ago we were moving our physical servers from one loc… |
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@vegarnilsen and this seems to be the rule rather than the exception, because t… |
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@cpm me too |
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Ok, I’m still re-reading the beginning which is the part about Cybernetics an… |
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What if we designed kubernetes in the 70s? |
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@stevel @Patricia 20 years ago a massive datacentre for "cannot fail"… |
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@stevel @Patricia They realised that to turn everything on at once would melt t… |
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@schmerg @stevel 🤯 |
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@Patricia isn’t that mainframes? |
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@janl I don’t really know the internal architecture of mainframes… I should… |
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@Patricia and now I have yet another book in my to read pile. |
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@dibben yeah, this book generated 4 other ones so I feel you. But to be clear I… |
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@olafurw omg, I want that as a sticker |
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@Patricia It IS the same word after all. Only they spelled it correctly in the … |
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@antnisp OMG 🤯 |
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@Patricia It is exactly how textbook economics work. I had an Economics 100 cou… |
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@audunmb wow, I don’t even know what to say about that. That is so fundamenta… |
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@Patricia I personally think Kubernets was created in the early 70s but someone… |
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@looopTools clearly 😂 |
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@Patricia To be fair to economists, the best of them do actually test their mod… |
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@decoderwheel related and unrelated is our tendency to confuse “nifty express… |
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@decoderwheel we really want to believe in simple things |
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@Patricia While there's nothing wrong with reading Marx and marxists, there… |
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@audunmb I guess my point of view rn is thinking about how us humans operate on… |
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@Patricia Eh, Marx has as much to do with actually-existing communism as Adam S… |
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@cstross that is also an important point, how we tend to drift from some vague … |
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@Patricia Well, it depends on what you're designing a controller for...Sure… |
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@Patricia But other processes are more... well, fuzzy, and you have to use cont… |
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@Patricia I mean, fundamentally cybernetics is about understanding systems that… |
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@Uglesett that makes sense, otherwise they’d probably fall over |
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@petersforbes 😂 it’s opposition research and acquiring vocabulary, it seem… |
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@Patricia If the reality doesn't confirm to the model, the reality is wrong… |
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@realn2s clearly |
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@Patricia Not sure if there are any recommendations that covers anything at tha… |
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@audunmb it’s already on my list 🙌 good to get that validated |
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@Patricia Thanks for this thread. Having taken a bit of economics, I too, have … |
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@jrconlin I am simultaneously baffled and concerned |
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@Patricia you might like his substackhttps://backofmind.substack.com/I haven… |
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@raycunningham thanks! |
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@Patricia Yes, I know community organizing is hard. That's why I do softwar… |
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@AlSweigart ah yes, the field where we don’t have to concern ourselves with p… |
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@Patricia I'm loving this threadAnd as a linguist can confirm that cybernet… |
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@trochee do you have a source for that because I’d really like to read the st… |
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@Patricia @ThreeSigma Research on the history of fascism and populism in genera… |
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@Patricia @ThreeSigma also, seconded on the recommendation for Piketty's Ca… |
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@hisham_hm @ThreeSigma I think maybe (though I haven’t read Capital yet) that… |
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@Patricia Simulations? Ideally, you obtain the results analytically, and hope … |
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@Patricia I found Phillips and Rozworski's "The People's Republic … |
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@gvwilson I saw it mentioned, maybe I need to add that too to my growing list |
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I digressed into the more “political” offshoot of cybernetics, clearly spri… |
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So let’s think about Project Cybersyn for a minute, based on the extremely th… |
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And I don’t want to offend any Allende fans out there, but a socialist govern… |
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And this isn’t to say Contras weren’t bad, they were trying to bring back a… |
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@Patricia have you read Seeing Like a State? |
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@againsthimself no, I don’t think so, what is it about? |
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@Patricia fwiw the strike wasn't called for by the truck drivers but rather… |
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@Patricia kubernetes.io acknowledges the common origin But maybe implicitly dis… |
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@trochee I don’t really know much about Norbert Wiener, is there anything wri… |
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@Patricia Oh I mean McCarthy and Minsky et al in 1956 https://en.m.wikipedia.or… |
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@trochee oh I was thinking about Kubernetes (K8s) |
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@Patricia Ha I see where we are talking past each other. I don't know abou… |
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@trochee 😄 communication is hard |
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@Patricia sooo.A few more readings, short ish, but mostly oriented toward engin… |
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@Di4na ah yes, I saw his talks.https://youtu.be/2S0k12uZR14?si=5PfxmX8mfAaXJAZu |
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@Patricia On the model aspect, I can recommend the serie from Steven Shorrockht… |
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So apparently the statement “The purpose of a system is what it does (POSIWID… |
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It’s weird I oscillate between reading this as tech content and as political … |
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Like imagine running a country as a literal kubernetes cluster. |
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- Hey, Charlie’s Readiness probe is not looking good, maybe we should kill*co… |
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@Patricia i have been working to build interop mechanisms of all kinds specific… |
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@hipsterelectron the powerful seem to be able to use pretty much anything as a … |
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@Patricia have you been talking to @diana ? because yes |
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@roundcrisis @diana don’t think I have… but following now 👍 |
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@Patricia Not necessarily. A lot of the field of cybernetics is about stability… |
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@Patricia But say you want to have a specific air flow. Then you need to add a … |
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@Patricia But in other cases you might need to add control loops just to stabil… |
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@Uglesett I need to make stuff with motors |
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@Patricia You may or may not be aware of Operation Condor? Orchestrated by the … |
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@cstross yes, though I have spent more time reading about Central America, whic… |
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@Patricia Welp, "political refugee from Argentina in the latw 70s" ce… |
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@cstross thank you 🙏 |
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@Patricia thanks for the thread, interesting for sure. Made me think you should… |
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@Patricia @webframp sounds like I should read this book!Allende tried to implem… |
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@jeffsussna @webframp It’s funny how a lot of it has become relevant in compl… |
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@webframp @Patricia 1. How are human systems not complex and distributed. 2. Yo… |
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@jeffsussna @webframp more that I worry that if we try to apply systems that fi… |
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@webframp @Patricia cybernetics != computers |
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@jeffsussna @webframp I know. I’m saying that maybe we should be careful how … |
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Related to both these books, where does “maximizing shareholder value” brin… |
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Reminder that the man behind that phrase was instrumental in setting up brutal … |
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Once I said something about our company on twitter and some guy was telling me … |
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@Patricia This reminded me of this analysis of downfall of the Soviet "int… |
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@toman ooh 🤓 |
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@eternalgoldenbraid @Patricia Do you have any evidence to back that claim up? B… |
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@Patricia very much a side quest but you might be interested in The Programmer�… |
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@daisydaisy Felienne is fabulous, I have been meaning to buy her book |
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@Patricia @eternalgoldenbraid The effect the market has is to systematically di… |
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@Tallish_Tom I think we covered that particular line of thought in Shock Doctri… |
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@Patricia wouldn't call those economic writers intellectuals but ideologist. |
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@rhold oh I wasn’t talking about them. We don’t need any more of these ridi… |
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@Patricia have you come across Steve Keen’s work? He’s written a book calle… |
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@annaf unfortunately I couldn’t find it as an audio book |
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@Patricia I may take exception with "broadly uninteresting": I'd … |
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@SvenGeier I have seen too much for this level of trust.https://social.vivaldi.… |
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@zdl have you read it? Folks tell me it’s really boring 😅 |
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@zdl 😢 |
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@Patricia Fair enough.Might it pique your curiosity when I note that that link … |
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@SvenGeier it’s a complex adaptive system. They exist everywhere. Also in com… |
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This is an excellent breakdown of this fundamental flaw in economic models: “… |
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Finally someone who talks about economics as a complex system. But I feel he st… |
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I’ve been trying to grok money and banking to try to figure out if MMT is rig… |
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This clip is a good summary of the course. Not sure yet if it has the part I wa… |
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Ah here we go, there is more detail later in the course https://youtu.be/YXVaY-… |
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Oh and this one 😅 this whole lecture probably https://youtu.be/Vuy2kh-_Pic?s… |
