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Re: Europe Spring just Began
By: paralambano Date: March 15, 2022, 9:43 am
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Kerry - ^
Putin? So it's said. I wonder why it took two decades to virtue
signal by the Brits since this is all I see of it. I have no
idea as to what Abramovich thinks of this war. It would be good
if we knew. All I know is that he has denied close links to
Putin but does he mean now? Did Abramovich approve of Putin's
annexation of Crimea? I'm not sure silence means complicity if
he figures death as a response to condemning Putin in the west.
If he's for Putin's war, it ought to be that he doesn't aid in
that effort.
Why is Evraz still operating in Canada and the UK? Jobs, yes?
But what about Chelsea jobs?
I wonder if Abramovich said like Biden did about having Putin
invade a little and then see what happens. Maybe Biden ought to
be sanctioned? I mean wouldn't that be something Putin might
say? Why, thanks for the green light, Joe! But nothing this way
from Abramovich, yes?
Thank you Mr. Abramovich for bringing all of us some very nice
soccer. You're the best kind of football club owner to have. You
not only know the game but also the beautiful kind and were most
successful at it in England. You love your club and helped many
during the pandemic by it.
If you can't continue this in England and are innocent of
allegations, please try in Israel. All clubs should have
knowledgeable soccer owners like you.
soccer fan para . . . .
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Re: Europe Spring just Began
By: Kerry Date: March 16, 2022, 5:35 am
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[quote author=paralambano link=topic=1518.msg30207#msg30207
date=1647355407]
Kerry - ^
Putin? So it's said. I wonder why it took two decades to virtue
signal by the Brits since this is all I see of it.[/quote]As
long as there was money in it for the British and the public
wasn't outraged, they winked at things.
[quote]I have no idea as to what Abramovich thinks of this war.
It would be good if we knew. All I know is that he has denied
close links to Putin but does he mean now? Did Abramovich
approve of Putin's annexation of Crimea? I'm not sure silence
means complicity if he figures death as a response to condemning
Putin in the west.[/quote]What I know is that Abramovich and
several others like him helped Putin rise to power and stay in
power and to help him get rich. Surely they could see Putin was
spending lots of money on the military while the living standard
in Russia stagnated. Surely men like Abramovich knew their
billions wouldn't exist for them without Putin's approval and
without using the government to favor the rich and elite while
doing little to help the average Russian.
Why was Abramovich flying back and forth to Moscow? First I
read his yacht was spotted somewhere -- then I read he flew to
Moscow via Turkey, back to Israel and then back to Moscow. I
think he has some explaining to do.
https://news.yahoo.com/abramovich-flies-moscow-more-oligarch-163323031.html
https://www.timesofisrael.com/abramovichs-plane-lands-in-moscow-hours-after-he-…
[quote]If he's for Putin's war, it ought to be that he doesn't
aid in that effort.[/quote]He has already aided Putin quite
enough in the past. He was a key player getting Putin into
office.
[quote]Why is Evraz still operating in Canada and the UK? Jobs,
yes? [/quote]
Evraz was delisted on the FTSE. Its board members resigned.
[quote]But what about Chelsea jobs?[/quote]I find it hard to
feel too bad for anyone associated with Chelsea. I have always
looked at the club as elitist, with the idea that money can buy
anything and that they "deserve" to win everything. Oh, how the
mighty have fallen. I realize Chelsea is not Our Lady of
Babylon written about in Revelation 18; but the principle is
similar.
If Putin didn't feel too grandiose to have a job driving a taxi,
maybe the overpaid players at Chelsea could go imitate him. It
might not be hundreds of thousands of pounds a week to hit a
ball, but they could survive.
I hope the solution found isn't finding another ultra-wealthy
person to buy Chelsea. Money has been corrupted soccer for a
long time.
[quote]I wonder if Abramovich said like Biden did about having
Putin invade a little and then see what happens. Maybe Biden
ought to be sanctioned? I mean wouldn't that be something Putin
might say? Why, thanks for the green light, Joe! But nothing
this way from Abramovich, yes?
Thank you Mr. Abramovich for bringing all of us some very nice
soccer. You're the best kind of football club owner to have. You
not only know the game but also the beautiful kind and were most
successful at it in England. You love your club and helped many
during the pandemic by it.
If you can't continue this in England and are innocent of
allegations, please try in Israel. All clubs should have
knowledgeable soccer owners like you.[/quote]Don't get so
carried away by the titles Chelsea won that you want to fall
down and worship Roman Abramovich.
Quite interesting too that he got his Israeli passport by making
big charity contributions and by agreeing to put a lot of money
in an Israeli bank.
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Re: Europe Spring just Began
By: paralambano Date: March 16, 2022, 8:38 am
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Kerry - ^
[quote]As long as there was money in it for the British and the
public wasn't outraged, they winked at things.[/quote]
Who exactly? How did the government profit more from Abramovich
than another buyer?
[quote]What I know is that Abramovich and several others like
him helped Putin rise to power and stay in power and to help him
get rich. Surely they could see Putin was spending lots of
money on the military while the living standard in Russia
stagnated. Surely men like Abramovich knew their billions
wouldn't exist for them without Putin's approval and without
using the government to favor the rich and elite while doing
little to help the average Russian.[/quote]
Always facile to tell others what they ought to do with their
money. Who spends the most globally on their military, Kerry?
And how does that help the average American?
[quote]Why was Abramovich flying back and forth to Moscow?
First I read his yacht was spotted somewhere -- then I read he
flew to Moscow via Turkey, back to Israel and then back to
Moscow. I think he has some explaining to do.[/quote]
How is it he's able to fly to Moscow?
[quote]He has already aided Putin quite enough in the past. He
was a key player getting Putin into office.[/quote]
Over twenty years ago? I wonder how heavily Putin relied on his
advice if at all in those years. Can you give probable examples?
[quote]Evraz was delisted on the FTSE. Its board members
resigned.[/quote]
Still working.
[quote]I find it hard to feel too bad for anyone associated with
Chelsea. I have always looked at the club as elitist, with the
idea that money can buy anything and that they "deserve" to win
everything. Oh, how the mighty have fallen. I realize Chelsea
is not Our Lady of Babylon written about in Revelation 18; but
the principle is similar. [/quote]
You might know that Chelsea is hardly a big money-making venture
as most clubs are. You don't go into soccer to get rich when
there are other much greater payoffs so all this Babylon talk is
nonsense.
Fallen? How so? They're being unfairly restricted.
[quote]If Putin didn't feel too grandiose to have a job driving
a taxi, maybe the overpaid players at Chelsea could go imitate
him. It might not be hundreds of thousands of pounds a week to
hit a ball, but they could survive. [/quote]
Nonsense. There are non-soccer athletes all over Europe, South
and North America making extraordinary amounts of money, not
just at Chelsea. Rich owners everywhere. Soccer is a very
demanding sport with a fair amount of injuries as a result. I
suppose bad things happen to overpaid actors and directors as
well like guns going off unexpectedly.
Let's get Bernie in. He'll sort out the "equity" problem, eh?
[quote]I hope the solution found isn't finding another
ultra-wealthy person to buy Chelsea. Money has been corrupted
soccer for a long time. [/quote]
You need good money to run any pro sporting enterprise. Clubs
fold due to bankruptcy, not enough revenue. I'd prefer another
"candyman" for Chelsea, a Brit, Nick Candy to buy the club. A
Chelsea fan all his life.
[quote]Don't get so carried away by the titles Chelsea won that
you want to fall down and worship Roman Abramovich. [/quote]
Worship? Straw-man. I give sporting honour where sporting
honour's due. There are poor losers who can't do it. Green with
envy over someone else's success instead of having the smarts to
find a way to compete and win. They just can't bring themselves
to give the " honour guard" due to their bile.
You see, a club can have very rich owners indeed and not win
trophies. Why? Because it takes more than just money to win
them. It takes sporting smarts, especially when there's
relegation. There's me honouring Abramovich's sporting smarts.
There's some finding truth if you want to get all Biblical about
it, LOL. There's the real record, no? 19 trophies, 19 years. Why
shouldn't fans celebrate that? What, they pay to be losers,
season in, season out? You play the stock-market to lose?
Please. You find your stock-market smarts playing the "game",
yes? And hopefully, you have some wins, yes?
You see how it is in North America. One buys their way into a
league and then well, no matter how poorly performed you're in
for life. Thus ingrained mediocrity. Nothing like relegation to
wake one out of the sleepwalk.
The big complaint at Man U? The Glazers don't put money in; they
just take it out.
[quote]Quite interesting too that he got his Israeli passport by
making big charity contributions and by agreeing to put a lot of
money in an Israeli bank.[/quote]
Well, good on the charities, yes?
para . . . .
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Re: Europe Spring just Began
By: Kerry Date: March 16, 2022, 10:48 am
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[quote author=paralambano link=topic=1518.msg30213#msg30213
date=1647437887]
Kerry - ^
Who exactly? How did the government profit more from Abramovich
than another buyer?[/quote]The British government was lax with
several rich foreigners if they promised to invest money that
would create jobs. Abramovich promised and didn't deliver on
it. As I said before, London is known as the money laundring
capitol of the world.
[quote]Always facile to tell others what they ought to do with
their money. Who spends the most globally on their military,
Kerry? And how does that help the average American? [/quote]I
like to believe it protects us from potential invasion at home
and attacks abroad. I agreed with Reagan's "Peace through
Strength." We are not spending all that money with an eye of
invading Canada or Mexico. The days of that kind of miltary
adventurism and aggression is over, I hope. I hope too that
our military spending deters Russian using miltary force against
Canada in its dispute over the Arctic. Canada is in NATO. It
should. That long peaceful border we have is worth spending
biliions, I think. If some foreign power invaded Canada and
took over, it could mean war and even more money.
Reagan outspent the Soviets in the military; yet we didn't
invade them when the USSR collapsed. Our goal was never to
invade Russia. It was to deter aggression from them.
[quote]How is it he's able to fly to Moscow?[/quote]I guess you
can stllll fly from Instanbul to Moscow. Turkey is trying to
walk a tight rope too. They did refuse to allow a few Russian
ships to go through the Bosphorus; but they are trying not to
create more tension with Russia.
[quote]Over twenty years ago? I wonder how heavily Putin relied
on his advice if at all in those years. Can you give probable
examples?[/quote]I don't have access to that kind of
information.
[quote]Still working.[/quote]The sanctions by the EU are on the
parent company. Evraz North America is operating as a
subsidiary. I think that would mean no money is allowed to flow
between the two; and control of Evraz NA must be independently
exercised.
https://leaderpost.com/news/saskatchewan/minister-says-sask-doesnt-want-to-nati…
Some have expressed concerns over the future of operations at
Evraz after the federal government announced sanctions on key
Russian shareholder Roman Abramovich, who has been characterized
as bankrolling Vladimir Putin�s war in Ukraine.
While Evraz North America has said it operates independently as
a subsidiary of Evraz PLC, some industry watchers have said the
ongoing uncertainty with the sanctions could cause skittishness
among customers and suppliers.
Last week, NDP Opposition Leader Ryan Meili asked the province
to look at possibly facilitating a change in ownership of the
company.
Meili has argued Russian oligarchs are still tied to Evraz even
if the North American subsidiary operates independently, adding
that these funders needs to be cut off.
Who owns the company and how that transfer should happen should
be under discussion, Meili said.
However, Harrison said the province doesn�t want to nationalize
Evraz for many reasons.
[quote]You might know that Chelsea is hardly a big money-making
venture as most clubs are. You don't go into soccer to get rich
when there are other much greater payoffs so all this Babylon
talk is nonsense.[/quote]The Roman Emperors did not put on
circuses as money-making ventures. They did it to curry favor
with the masses.
Chelsea fans liked Abramovich. They didn't know or care if the
money he spent was ill-gotten. Chelsea fans were like the
British government.
Solomon said pride goes before a fall. Yes, we just saw it,
didn't we?
Revelation 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived
deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith
in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no
sorrow.
8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and
mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire:
for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and
lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for
her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
[quote]Fallen? How so? They're being unfairly
restricted.[/quote]You could also say they unfairly benefitted
in the past from the infusion of Russian money.
[quote]Nonsense. There are non-soccer athletes all over Europe,
South and North America making extraordinary amounts of money,
not just at Chelsea. Rich owners everywhere. Soccer is a very
demanding sport with a fair amount of injuries as a result. I
suppose bad things happen to overpaid actors and directors as
well like guns going off unexpectedly.
Let's get Bernie in. He'll sort out the "equity" problem, eh?
You need good money to run any pro sporting enterprise. Clubs
fold due to bankruptcy, not enough revenue. I'd prefer another
"candyman" for Chelsea, a Brit, Nick Candy to buy the club. A
Chelsea fan all his life.[/quote]There is a saying, "Bad money
drives out good." When corruption runs rampant, honest owners
are a great disadvantage.
[quote]Worship? Straw-man. I give sporting honour where sporting
honour's due. There are poor losers who can't do it. Green with
envy over someone else's success instead of having the smarts to
find a way to compete and win. They just can't bring themselves
to give the " honour guard" due to their bile. [/quote]
Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a
needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
[quote]You see, a club can have very rich owners indeed and not
win trophies. Why? Because it takes more than just money to win
them. It takes sporting smarts, especially when there's
relegation. There's me honouring Abramovich's sporting smarts.
There's some finding truth if you want to get all Biblical about
it, LOL. There's the real record, no? 19 trophies, 19 years. Why
shouldn't fans celebrate that? What, they pay to be losers,
season in, season out? You play the stock-market to lose?
Please. You find your stock-market smarts playing the "game",
yes? And hopefully, you have some wins, yes?
You see how it is in North America. One buys their way into a
league and then well, no matter how poorly performed you're in
for life. Thus ingrained mediocrity. Nothing like relegation to
wake one out of the sleepwalk.[/quote]
When you have major clubs owned by billionaires, I assume one
will rise to the top and look the best. I do not assume that's
because he's so smart. Most people will not win trophies. Only
one club will win a trophy in a competition.
Oh yes, what about relegation? Chelsea was in the Europa
League. Who was bragging about how clever Abramovich was when
that happened? Sarri got them out of the Europa League -- and
the genius Abramovich fired him.
[quote]The big complaint at Man U? The Glazers don't put money
in; they just take it out. [/quote]
Sounds to me as if fans were trying to tell the Glazers how to
spend their money. I wonder why the fans don't feel the same
way about Ronaldo? If he wants the club to win trophies, why
doesn't he put some of his own money into it?
[quote]Well, good on the charities, yes?
para . . . .
[/quote]I'm not impressed. Giving money in order to get
something back isn't really giving to charity.
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Re: Europe Spring just Began
By: KerimF Date: March 16, 2022, 1:38 pm
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[quote author=Kerry link=topic=1518.msg30216#msg30216
date=1647445715]
I like to believe it protects us from potential invasion at home
and attacks abroad. I agreed with Reagan's "Peace through
Strength." We are not spending all that money with an eye of
invading Canada or Mexico. The days of that kind of military
adventurism and aggression is over, I hope.
[/quote]
Thank you Kerry for presenting what an American is supposed to
believe about America's strength and invasions.
What about Iraq? It was a real invasion and the Iraqi people
(not their high classes) had to live, by a mere coincidence, the
9/11 Terror soon after it... till now; besides too many new
serious problems also created since then, under one pretext
after another.
What about Syria? The American troops still protect those who
steal the Syrian oil on the north and still occupy with their
Islamist mercenaries (holding their Allah's flags) the main
trading door/road to the east, Tanaf. (The Russian forces are
not better. They have to play the allies while their system also
keeps getting its share from Syria as planned).
I am not complaining, at all, because what is happening is
normal.
For a country to be the greatest one, in any period of time, it
has to be ruled by powerful rich families. And Jesus whose Will
created the world opened my eyes, in a clever simple way, about
the rich man; so that I won't be surprised anytime I hear a tale
made for adults by those who run a ruling system, mainly if
their system became among the strongest ones in the world. For
example, one may believe now Putin or Biden (the actual top
official speakers of the World's Elite) while I know for sure
that both of them have no choice but telling certain given fairy
tales made for adults to address the powerless world's peoples;
starting from theirs in Russia and America.
I repeat; the main target of the actual war is supposed to be
Europe not Ukraine, as it was planned for this decade. But, the
end of the Russian Elite will be of the Nazis ones if they have
no idea yet that the very smart Nazis were cleverly fooled and
used to be a solid pretext for the destruction of Europe in WW2
and its total submission to its saviors afterwards.
While writing in a very cold room, anything could be said :D
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Re: Europe Spring just Began
By: Kerry Date: March 17, 2022, 5:22 am
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[quote author=KerimF link=topic=1518.msg30218#msg30218
date=1647455915]
Thank you Kerry for presenting what an American is supposed to
believe about America's strength and invasions.
What about Iraq? It was a real invasion and the Iraqi people
(not their high classes) had to live, by a mere coincidence, the
9/11 Terror soon after it... till now; besides too many new
serious problems also created since then, under one pretext
after another.[/quote]Let's recall how the first phase began
with the invasion of Kuwait by Iraq with Saddam Hussein
installing Ali Hassan al-Majid.
Iraq also launched aerial attacks on Israel and Saudi Arabia;
and it was feared Saddam might try to seize Saudi oil wells.
Indeed there was a brief incursion by the Iraqi army into the
Saudi city of Khafji which was driven out two days later by
Saudi, Qatari and American forces.
The United States did not take action against Saddam
unilaterally. The UN voted for it. Iraq agreed to certain
terms when the war ended.
It then broke that agreement, and the 2003 invasion of Iraq took
place.
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Re: Europe Spring just Began
By: paralambano Date: March 17, 2022, 9:19 am
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Kerry - ^
How was that promise made exactly by Abramovich when he bought
Chelsea and how many jobs has the British government been
complaining that Abramovich hasn't created?
Okay, so Americans can spend the most amount globally on their
military but other nations can't to deter perceived threats? You
said that Russian oligarch money went into their military
instead of benefitting the average Russian. Well, if American
military spending is believed to protect the average American,
how is it that Rusian military can't go to protecting the
average Russian? It seems to me you are holding to a
double-standard. Try convincing a paranoid regime that the US
isn't interested in invading their nation culturally or
otherwise. You know how things have to change there first.
Oh, please with the Babylon nonsense. Who owns North American
sports teams. All rich entities. You need money to have a
pro-sports team. So, Boris might sell Chelsea to an even richer
entity, trillionaires like Saudis. Look at Newcastle. And Boris
gone a-begging in the UAE.
Liverpool owned by Americans. What would they sell that club for
with its pedigree? These are all rich people who have soccer
smarts or they don't. Look at American Man U. Look at PSG.
Messi, Neymar, Mbappe, Ramos, Donnarumma, etc., etc. all gone
from the UCL. Why? PSG has no model. A cobbled together squad.
Tottenham, spanking new stadium, rich Americans. Won nothing of
note the last 50 years. I could go on. You need to know what
you're doing from the top down to win in sport. All decisions
matter. And who was toughest this way in England? Why, it's
Roman Abramovich. There was no guarantee when he bought the club
that he'd win anything. He could have flipped it during those
years. But he kept it and showed everyone how to properly run an
Academy and club at a loss.
I don't see Abramovich as being proud in any inordinate way. You
don't see him bragging about his club. He had to be dragged onto
the pitch by Azpilicueta for a group photo in the UCL Final
last. He was shown at home matches enjoying the game in the
stands in jeans and jacket. Watch PSG, Barcelona, Real home
matches and the suits that sit there.
By the way, Chelsea won the Europa trophy, not just play in that
league. If it were so easy, why hasn't Tottenham won it? Why
with all that American money, hasn't that club with its parade
of managers won anything?
I think that the West is feeling pretty helpless in this war so
far. Putin has been calling the shots on the ground and it's all
been criminal. So the West goes after some prominent Russians
who may or may not be in favour of what Putin is doing to hit
back but this hasn't stopped his warring. He's even promised to
be going after "traitors" and "scum". If these oligarchs are as
guilty as governments say they are, then I'd say that these
governments have some complicity in this guilt by "winking" at
their investments.
If you don't have access to information, how can you expect
Chelsea fans to know about alleged ill-gotten gains? The
government gave these oligarchs access so what is the fan to
believe? If they weren't told the "truth" then, how can they be
expected to believe it now? I say question everything. Even more
so in the fog of war.
It takes more than honesty to be good at something. One needs
skill. One can be a "saint" in their football doings but make
idiotic sporting decisions and go bankrupt, yes? Moralizing
alone won't cut it. Neither does virtue-signaling from without.
So you don't have access as to how Putin confided in Abramovich
in those two decades. Do you have any information as to how
Abramovich advised Putin about invading Ukraine? Tactics? Of
course you don't. Neither do I at the moment. So I'll wait. Why?
Because I'd like the unvarnished truth about stuff I can't see.
I can see a lot of what's going on in Ukraine. I don't want to
jump to conclusions. I have no idea what Abramovich thinks about
this war. I can only hope he opposes it. I hope that he's some
kind of emissary for peace as was claimed in the early days.
Evraz. Jobs, Kerry. Bottom line.
Biblical. Rom 13. Honour where it's due. I honour Abramovich's
soccer sporting smarts and success as a club owner. I honour
Mozart's talent because I can separate that from his alleged
fooling around. I can honour an excellent house-painter by a tip
for their house painting even if it's alleged they're an
adulterer. I honour Jesus of Nazareth even though I know he
allowed to be destroyed an entire herd of swine. Why? Because of
what he knew. I honour that.
Well, when I give to charity, I get a good feeling in return.
That's a kind of reward, yes? There's always something in return
if the intent is right. I don't know that you know how
Abramovich feels about that, do you? His giving to charity.
We're not God. Too, I don't know all the veritable details aboit
the passport.
Why not deal with the real source of the problem. Putin and what
he's doing. It's like if some Democrats were blaming Trump for
high gas prices. Trump, Trump, Trump on some minds.
Ya, western oligarch sanctioned. That's stopped the bombing.
ADD: Fired Sarri and went on to win the Champions League and
Club World Cup. Failed upwards by soccer, LOL?
In order to advance one needs to say yes, yes, and no, no. I say
yes to Abramovich's soccer smarts by Chelsea FC. I say no if he
doesn't oppose this war. But some can't say yes to what's good
for some reason. Honour where it's due as Paul says. That has to
be part of the way. Jesus said honour what the priests say but
don't do as they do. Yes to their words, no to their actions.
Yes to Abramovich's soccer acuity, no to any alleged complicity.
Yes to Cristiano's skills, accomplishments, no to bloviating.
Nihilism attempts to erase any good at all since it is envious
of it all.
para . . . .
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Re: Europe Spring just Began
By: Kerry Date: March 17, 2022, 4:44 pm
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[quote author=paralambano link=topic=1518.msg30224#msg30224
date=1647526744]
Kerry - ^
How was that promise made exactly by Abramovich when he bought
Chelsea and how many jobs has the British government been
complaining that Abramovich hasn't created?[/quote]He was flying
in and out of the UK on a Tier 1 Investment visa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_policy_of_the_United_Kingdom#Tier_1_(…
The Investor subcategory is for those who wish to invest
capital in the United Kingdom. In November 2014 the investment
thresholds were increased to; �2,000,000, �5,000,000 or
�10,000,000. The difference between the thresholds is the amount
of time it takes a migrant to be eligible for Indefinite Leave
to Remain. With the �2,000,000 threshold it is 5 years, with the
�5,000,000 threshold it is 3 years and with the �10,000,000
threshold it is 2 years. The funds must be invested in either
share capital in British companies or in British bonds.
The measure of compliance does not depend on the number of jobs
created since an investor could put money into a venture and
fail. The goal was to attract capital with the expectation that
jobs and prosperity would follow. Abramovich never invested the
way he promised. If he had invested enough, he would have had a
permanent visa.
More later.
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Re: Europe Spring just Began
By: KerimF Date: March 18, 2022, 5:03 am
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[quote author=Kerry link=topic=1518.msg30222#msg30222
date=1647512566]
Let's recall how the first phase began with the invasion of
Kuwait by Iraq with Saddam Hussein installing Ali Hassan
al-Majid.
Iraq also launched aerial attacks on Israel and Saudi Arabia;
and it was feared Saddam might try to seize Saudi oil wells.
Indeed there was a brief incursion by the Iraqi army into the
Saudi city of Khafji which was driven out two days later by
Saudi, Qatari and American forces.
The United States did not take action against Saddam
unilaterally. The UN voted for it. Iraq agreed to certain
terms when the war ended.
It then broke that agreement, and the 2003 invasion of Iraq took
place.
[/quote]
Thank you again for presenting more of what the American people
are supposed to believe.
And since your feelings (and of every one here) are more
important to me than whatever is happening in reality on the
world's ground (or will happen), I try my best not to disturb
any other's views mainly of those who were born and live in a
country, called free.
By the way, does anyone here know a source of information which
is not cleverly biased to a certain powerful rich group?
Once, I tried to write on a talk-page (of a well-known site that
claims being civilized and free) some general natural truths
(not related to any specific side) with the hope to hear other's
views on them. Soon after this talk-page was read by a moderator
and 2 persons at most (among the 10 billion humans in the
world), it was removed without being discussed in any way by
anyone. I mean; I personally don't believe, at all, in the
existence of a free world unless my spoiled pets see themselves
as free beings for eating their favorite food and having their
favorite shelters while they are allowed to live their favorite
activities... as long they follow whatever I tell them :D After
all, Jesus was crucified just for revealing natural truths
(well, and to also prove He was the promised Messiah which was
very important to happen for His first Apostles and Disciples).
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Re: Europe Spring just Began
By: paralambano Date: March 18, 2022, 8:05 am
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Kerry - ^
I don't know why Germany, Italy, and France aren't sanctioned.
They were selling arms and other equipment according to
Investigate Europe to Russia up to at least 2020 despite a ban
on doing so using the loophole of deals made before Crimea. So,
as to their reporting, this is why you see Italian military
vehicles with a Z on them used by Russia in Ukraine:
https://www.investigate-europe.eu/en/2022/eu-states-exported-weapons-to-russia/
How much has Abramovich loaned Chelsea FC?
EVRAZ Pueblo, Colorado. EVRAZ Portland, Oregon.
http://www.evrazna.com/company/overview/tabid/57/default.asp
para . . . .
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