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Re: Lionel Messi
By: paralambano Date: May 5, 2017, 3:02 pm
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For sure:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/lionel-messi-makes…
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/lionel-messi-makes…
It could have something to do with how he needed help as a
youngster.
para . . . .
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Re: Lionel Messi
By: paralambano Date: May 7, 2017, 12:26 pm
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Enough already:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/lionel-messi-barce…
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/lionel-messi-barce…
Lionel has dual citizenship:
http://www.worldsoccer.com/news/messi-granted-spanish-citizenship-68916
http://www.worldsoccer.com/news/messi-granted-spanish-citizenship-68916
Why not just play for Spain like the Catalans on this national
side and have the World Cup handed to the Spaniards then ;)?
Well, not just. Problems with that too :(. Catalan National Team
(La Seleccio; La Segadora not UEFA or FIFA affiliated. Both
sides tugging.
Hmmmm . . . . . it's quiet here in Canada for now. C'mon
over :).
para . . . .
#Post#: 14834--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lionel Messi
By: Kerry Date: May 7, 2017, 5:23 pm
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[quote author=paralambano link=topic=1194.msg14833#msg14833
date=1494177963]
Enough already:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/lionel-messi-barce…
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/lionel-messi-barce…
The compared him to a criminal because he got the ban revoked?
Whoever wrote that in a paper, if that's what it was, lacks a
sense of proportion . . . and of ethics.
FIFA did lift the ban, and I was going to post about that -- but
I see this story seems to be related.
http://www.espnfc.com/blog-fifa/story/3119571/lionel-messi-has-fifa-ban-from-pl…
Barcelona forward Lionel Messi will be available for Argentina's
crucial World Cup qualifiers against Uruguay, Venezuela and Peru
after FIFA's Appeal Committee lifted his four-game suspension
from international matches.
The 29-year-old was handed the ban retrospectively by world
football's governing body in March -- along with a fine of
10,000 Swiss francs ($10,160) -- after television footage showed
him verbally abusing a match official during a qualifier against
Chile.
As a result, he subsequently missed his country's 2-0 defeat to
Bolivia in La Paz and was set to be suspended for three more
qualifying games later this year.
I would think Argentina would be happy it was lifted instead of
making exaggerated comparisons. We have seen how Messi loves
doing good for other people -- I don't see how comparing him to
a brutal man sentenced for crimes against humanity makes any
sense.
[quote]Lionel has dual citizenship:
http://www.worldsoccer.com/news/messi-granted-spanish-citizenship-68916
http://www.worldsoccer.com/news/messi-granted-spanish-citizenship-68916
Why not just play for Spain like the Catalans on this national
side and have the World Cup handed to the Spaniards then ;)?
Well, not just. Problems with that too :(. Catalan National Team
(La Seleccio; La Segadora not UEFA or FIFA affiliated. Both
sides tugging.
Hmmmm . . . . . it's quiet here in Canada for now. C'mon
over :).[/quote]
I can see why some people would wish he was in Argentina more,
feeling he had dumped them somehow; but then why not be glad
when he does want to play for Argentina? It probably goes to
show how "bad newspapers" are not restricted to any one country
-- they seem to pop up everywhere. Shame on that newspaper --
but I'm not sure suing them is the best thing. Sometimes doing
nothing can be best; but it would be glorious fun if the Messis
won the suit and then donated all the money to charity. I'd
suggest donating it to a school of journalism that encourages
more responsible and fact-based news.
I think the decision about the appeal seemed right:
"Despite the fact that the FIFA Appeal Committee considered
Lionel Messi's behaviour as reproachable, the former concluded
that the evidence available was not sufficient to establish to
the appropriate standard, i.e. to the comfortable satisfaction
of the members of the Appeal Committee, that art. 77 a) of the
FDC, according to which the Disciplinary Committee is
responsible for sanctioning serious infringements which have
escaped the match officials' attention, could be applied.
Yes, it's probably true Messi could have behaved better; but it
wasn't serious enough to ban him, and certainly not as serious
as committing crimes against humanity.
Ha, ha, speaking of "bad" comparisons. There is no comparison
here really to how Messi was insulted, since I can't see how
he'd embrace that insult; but it shows how you don't need to
take insults seriously. I just learned that Fidel Castro
invented a name for Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen who is
retiring after the end of this term. She was always vigorously
anti-Communist. When Castro insulted her, she refused to act
insulted.
October 19, 2011
http://ros-lehtinen.house.gov/press-release/ros-lehtinen-says-latest-�insult�-c…
Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL) commented today on
recent remarks by Fidel Castro calling her �la Loba Feroz�
(Ferocious She Wolf) and attacking her for her outspoken
leadership against the tyrannical regime in Havana. Statement
by Ros-Lehtinen:
�I suppose the Cuban dictator thinks he is insulting me, but
when he singles me out for criticism for my outspoken opposition
to the Havana tyranny, it reaffirms my commitment to expose the
regime�s merciless brutality and work toward crippling its
power.
�In his latest �Reflections� diatribe, which is his weekly
column published in Cuba�s state-owned newspaper, the tyrant
again referred to me as �la Loba Feroz� attempting to paint my
work to advance democracy and promote human rights as radical.
The fact that he is taking offense to my policies in Washington
tells me that I am doing my job right.
�The day that Castro stops hurling insults at freedom-loving
individuals will be a great day for Cuba, because that will mean
that the regime is no more.�
What is with Argentina anyway? Did you see that Maradonna
finally got a job? You'd think Argentina could have found a
job for him. . . .
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39839704
Argentina legend Diego Maradona has been appointed head coach of
Al-Fujairah FC, the United Arab Emirates second-tier club say.
It is the 56-year-old's first job since he was sacked as manager
of UAE side Al Wasl in July 2012.
Al-Fujairah tweeted a picture of Maradona holding the club's
shirt.
"I want to tell you that I am the new coach of Al-Fujairah SC,
in the second division of the United Arab Emirates," Maradona
added on his Facebook page.
Maradona helped Argentina win the World Cup as a player in 1986
and managed his country between 2008-10.
Maradona seemed interested in helping Argentina win another
World Cup.
April 24, 2017
http://www.marca.com/en/football/international-football/2017/04/25/58ff4cf5ca47…
The current Sevilla coach has long been the favourite to replace
Edgardo Bauza and to try to lead the Albiceleste to the 2018
World Cup, but Maradona is unconvinced."I'm not sure [about him
taking the job]," he said in an interview with Rivadavia radio
station. "The [appreciation] of Sampaoli is inflated."With Chile
he was having an amazing career."Sevilla aren't slowing down and
I think he is a candidate [for the Argentina job], but I don't
know if that's fair."There is a lot being said about cleaning up
the Argentine national team, but I don't think Sampaoli has the
feel for it or the connection with the players."Maradona, who
coached the team to the 2010 World Cup in South Africa, also
refused to completely rule his name out of contention."I am
still Argentinian and I'll die an Argentinian," he said."It's
not that I'm offering myself for the job, but I'm saying that
the coach inside me hasn't died and that the smell of the pitch
continues to attract me like the smell of a pretty woman."
#Post#: 14856--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lionel Messi
By: paralambano Date: May 8, 2017, 4:44 pm
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Kerry -
[quote]The compared him to a criminal because he got the ban
revoked? Whoever wrote that in a paper, if that's what it
was, lacks a sense of proportion . . . and of ethics.
FIFA did lift the ban, and I was going to post about that -- but
I see this story seems to be related.
http://www.espnfc.com/blog-fifa/story/3119571/lionel-messi-has-fifa-ban-from-pl…
Barcelona forward Lionel Messi will be available for Argentina's
crucial World Cup qualifiers against Uruguay, Venezuela and Peru
after FIFA's Appeal Committee lifted his four-game suspension
from international matches.
The 29-year-old was handed the ban retrospectively by world
football's governing body in March -- along with a fine of
10,000 Swiss francs ($10,160) -- after television footage showed
him verbally abusing a match official during a qualifier against
Chile.
As a result, he subsequently missed his country's 2-0 defeat to
Bolivia in La Paz and was set to be suspended for three more
qualifying games later this year.
I would think Argentina would be happy it was lifted instead of
making exaggerated comparisons. We have seen how Messi loves
doing good for other people -- I don't see how comparing him to
a brutal man sentenced for crimes against humanity makes any
sense. [/quote]
You're right - - it makes no sense but without excusing it, we
can at least understand that some take soccer way, way, way too
seriously. In Argentina, it's Maradona! Maradona! not just
because he delivered the World Cup to the nation in 1986
(Mexico) but the way he did it. He pretty much single-handedly
ruined England by a brace in the semi-final in Azteca and the
Argentines beat West Germany in the final there as well. I saw
both games and he was a wonder to watch (as is Messi). The thing
is, for Argentines, Messi failed to deliver the World Cup in
2014 in Rio in the final. He was held scoreless but came within
inches of beating Neuer, something which he cheekily did with
Barca on the same keeper v Bayern Munich in the Champions League
in 2015. He placed a Bayern defender on his back with a dribble
round about and had Neuer dead-to-rights going down making the
first move. He chipped the ball over Neuer in answer to the
German having said that we (Bayern) will have to show Barcelona
who is boss out there. Barca put Bayern out of the playoffs.
Messi is not enamoured by all in Argentina. Not in Spain. Not by
all around the world. He's been called all sorts of names (evil
dwarf, he's "r" word looking [among others]) by some who will
just have to learn better. It's a Ronaldo v Messi world and if
it's not that it's a Maradona v Messi one unfortunately.
[quote]I can see why some people would wish he was in Argentina
more, feeling he had dumped them somehow;[/quote]
He gave his all in the final but both he and his team came up
short in this game. But he helped get them there. Maradona also
didn't score in his final but it was his pass that set up the
strike by his team to seal the win. To some (unfairly) the World
Cup is almost quite everything in terms of national identity.
Yet, Messi has a better club record than Maradona. It was FC
Barcelona who offered to pay for Lionel's growth-hormone
treatment in Spain, not an Argentine club. The rest is sporting
history. There are many Argentines playing in Europe.
[quote]Shame on that newspaper -- but I'm not sure suing them is
the best thing. Sometimes doing nothing can be best;[/quote]
I agree but I think too that we might agree that allowing anyone
to say anything with impunity is a bridge too far.
[quote]but it would be glorious fun if the Messis won the suit
and then donated all the money to charity. I'd suggest
donating it to a school of journalism that encourages more
responsible and fact-based news. [/quote]
Both of these is precisely what I was thinking. Sant Messi :D?
[quote]I think the decision about the appeal seemed right:
"Despite the fact that the FIFA Appeal Committee considered
Lionel Messi's behaviour as reproachable, the former concluded
that the evidence available was not sufficient to establish to
the appropriate standard, i.e. to the comfortable satisfaction
of the members of the Appeal Committee, that art. 77 a) of the
FDC, according to which the Disciplinary Committee is
responsible for sanctioning serious infringements which have
escaped the match officials' attention, could be applied.
Yes, it's probably true Messi could have behaved better; but it
wasn't serious enough to ban him, and certainly not as serious
as committing crimes against humanity.[/quote]
I was conflicted about the appeal decision at first. Of course,
it's as you say - - there's no rational comparison between a war
criminal's appeal and Messi's. The thing is, the rule says one
gets four games for what Messi was accused of doing. Arturo
Vidal (Bayern Munich) (Chilean National Team) complained that
Messi was getting preferential treatment. Vidal's superb
defender Chilean teammate, Gary Medel, received a four-game
suspension for apparently abusing a referee in a colourful
manner. Commentator Ray Hudson said (apparently joking) that
Putin had gotten onto the phone to FIFA and demanded that
Messi's suspension be lifted otherwise no World Cup in Russia in
2018.
I think that Vidal could be right if we have all the facts. My
understanding is that the referee had not written Messi up for
his apparent tirade and it was the Chilean team that complained
after a video review of the incident. There seems to be some
discrepancy in how it all went down. You can't punish one by the
rule and not another whatever the level of skill. The thing is,
no one is bigger than their team and the Argentine national team
lately has been abysmal by play. They are great on paper having
one of the most if not the most skilled rosters on the planet
but lately have failed to play as a team. Edgardo Bauza, their
last coach, has been fired and again they're looking for
another. What happens when Messi gets injured and can't play for
the Argentines as happened recently? I make no apologies, Messi
is my man by his manner on the ball and by other things but it's
system and teamwork (effort) which is more important for me. The
team then is like a machine - - beautiful to watch the gears in
motion. If it all falls on the superstar's shoulders, the
superstar will eventually weary of it and begin demanding more
of his mates as Messi has been doing at Barca.
[quote]What is with Argentina anyway? Did you see that
Maradonna finally got a job? You'd think Argentina could have
found a job for him. . . .
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39839704
Argentina legend Diego Maradona has been appointed head coach of
Al-Fujairah FC, the United Arab Emirates second-tier club say.
It is the 56-year-old's first job since he was sacked as manager
of UAE side Al Wasl in July 2012.
Al-Fujairah tweeted a picture of Maradona holding the club's
shirt.
"I want to tell you that I am the new coach of Al-Fujairah SC,
in the second division of the United Arab Emirates," Maradona
added on his Facebook page.
Maradona helped Argentina win the World Cup as a player in 1986
and managed his country between 2008-10.
Maradona seemed interested in helping Argentina win another
World Cup.
April 24, 2017
http://www.marca.com/en/football/international-football/2017/04/25/58ff4cf5ca47…
The current Sevilla coach has long been the favourite to replace
Edgardo Bauza and to try to lead the Albiceleste to the 2018
World Cup, but Maradona is unconvinced."I'm not sure [about him
taking the job]," he said in an interview with Rivadavia radio
station. "The [appreciation] of Sampaoli is inflated."With Chile
he was having an amazing career."Sevilla aren't slowing down and
I think he is a candidate [for the Argentina job], but I don't
know if that's fair."There is a lot being said about cleaning up
the Argentine national team, but I don't think Sampaoli has the
feel for it or the connection with the players."Maradona, who
coached the team to the 2010 World Cup in South Africa, also
refused to completely rule his name out of contention."I am
still Argentinian and I'll die an Argentinian," he said."It's
not that I'm offering myself for the job, but I'm saying that
the coach inside me hasn't died and that the smell of the pitch
continues to attract me like the smell of a pretty woman."
[/quote]
The Argentine FA is a mess. I think it has asked FIFA to
administer its offices or something like that.
I watched Maradona coach Argentina. He was pacing madly in the
technical area, yelling at his players. I thought he was going
to burst out onto the pitch in his loafers to help his team so
animated was he. Maybe that's an element the team needs. He
certainly has a passion for the Albiceleste. He has said that
they are sc __wed for Russia without Messi. Maybe he was trying
to motivate the others. Sampaoli has said he would love to coach
Lionel. Well, what about the rest of them?
World Cup Winners:
Brazil 5X
Italy 4X
Germany 4X
Argentina 2X
Uruguay 2X
England 1X
France 1X
Spain 1X
para . . . .
#Post#: 14858--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lionel Messi
By: Kerry Date: May 8, 2017, 7:18 pm
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[quote author=paralambano link=topic=1194.msg14856#msg14856
date=1494279840]
The Argentine FA is a mess. I think it has asked FIFA to
administer its offices or something like that.
I watched Maradona coach Argentina. He was pacing madly in the
technical area, yelling at his players. I thought he was going
to burst out onto the pitch in his loafers to help his team so
animated was he. Maybe that's an element the team needs. He
certainly has a passion for the Albiceleste. He has said that
they are sc __wed for Russia without Messi. Maybe he was trying
to motivate the others. Sampaoli has said he would love to coach
Lionel. Well, what about the rest of them? [/quote]
Any theories why Argentina didn't ask Maradona back? He
seemed to be hinting pretty hard he'd like to return.
#Post#: 14867--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lionel Messi
By: paralambano Date: May 10, 2017, 11:39 am
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Kerry -
[quote]Any theories why Argentina didn't ask Maradona back?
He seemed to be hinting pretty hard he'd like to return.
[/quote]
Maradona offered to coach the team for free so willing it
appears he is. He's quite an outspoken fellow it appears and
sometimes quite fiery. The thing is, he hadn't had much success
while he coached the national team for 18 months from 2008-2010.
The Argentines lost to Germany 4-0 in the 2010 World Cup
quarterfinals. That kind of loss by a much vaunted squad
(remember PSG's thrashing of Barca by the same score in the
Champions League a couple of months ago?) is intolerable for
many for club or country. However, Maradona was asked to remain
as coach but a few of his assistants were to be let go. He
refused to continue without his chosen assistants.
Not all great players make successful coaches. The most
important aspect I think besides the tactical is man-management
- - how to manage the egos to get them working together. The
claim for his firing by new management at Al Wasl is the usual
one put forward - - he failed to win any silverware for the club
after a year. I don't know what else contributed to it. His time
there was characterized as "troubled". Perhaps he'll do better
at Al-Fujaira (second division UAE).
para . . . .
#Post#: 14876--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lionel Messi
By: Kerry Date: May 11, 2017, 10:50 am
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[quote author=paralambano link=topic=1194.msg14867#msg14867
date=1494434376]
Kerry -
Maradona offered to coach the team for free so willing it
appears he is. He's quite an outspoken fellow it appears and
sometimes quite fiery. The thing is, he hadn't had much success
while he coached the national team for 18 months from 2008-2010.
The Argentines lost to Germany 4-0 in the 2010 World Cup
quarterfinals. That kind of loss by a much vaunted squad
(remember PSG's thrashing of Barca by the same score in the
Champions League a couple of months ago?) is intolerable for
many for club or country. However, Maradona was asked to remain
as coach but a few of his assistants were to be let go. He
refused to continue without his chosen assistants.
Not all great players make successful coaches. The most
important aspect I think besides the tactical is man-management
- - how to manage the egos to get them working together. The
claim for his firing by new management at Al Wasl is the usual
one put forward - - he failed to win any silverware for the club
after a year. I don't know what else contributed to it. His time
there was characterized as "troubled". Perhaps he'll do better
at Al-Fujaira (second division UAE).
para . . . .
[/quote]He may be too emotional to make a consistently great
coach. People can handle emotional outbursts only so long
before they burn out and say, "Enough of this" and stop
responding well to it.
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Re: Lionel Messi
By: paralambano Date: May 11, 2017, 12:31 pm
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[quote]He may be too emotional to make a consistently great
coach. People can handle emotional outbursts only so long
before they burn out and say, "Enough of this" and stop
responding well to it.
[/quote]
Ya, this was my impression as well.
para . . . .
#Post#: 14879--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lionel Messi
By: paralambano Date: May 11, 2017, 12:33 pm
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Doppelganger?
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39844114
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39844114
I don't know. I'd like to be my own man.
para . . . .
#Post#: 14898--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lionel Messi
By: Kerry Date: May 12, 2017, 3:36 pm
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Meanwhile there is someone called the "Messi of drugs." Good
grief.
http://talkradio.co.uk/news/messi-drugs-escapes-police-raids-uncover-13-tonnes-…
Spanish police have uncovered 13 tonnes of marijuana after
busting a huge network led by a man nicknamed 'Messi.'
The network, which was dismantled by officers from the national
police and Guardia Civil, is thought to be the biggest marijuana
trafficking network in Spain.
Officers also uncovered three assault rifles, three Glock
pistols, 20,000 euros and eight all-terrain vehicles.
A total of 19 people were arrested in the raids - 12 Moroccans,
six Spaniards and a Ukrainian. All 19 of the group have been
detained in prison.
However the ringleader, a Moroccan whose real name is Abdellah
El Haj, managed to evade arrest, having fled Spain for his
native country two months ago.
El Haj, who got the 'Messi' nickname by publishing a series of
photos on social media in homage to the Barcelona star, fled on
March 17, after managing to evade officers who had come to
arrest him at a shisha bar in the port city of Algericas.
He had initially returned to Morocco in January, but decided to
venture back to Spain to see an Algerian singer, who was
performing at the shisha bar.
It is thought that El Haj ran the group through a series of
independent cells, each of them made up of smugglers charged
with getting the marijuana onto Spanish beaches. Once they
arrived in Spain the drugs were transported to warehouses, for
distribution across Europe.
Officers have launched a series of raids on El Haj's group over
the last 18 months, but it is presently unclear how many members
of the gang remain active - or whether officers will again try
to arrest the ringleader.
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