Subj : Re: Echo Rules
To : Dan Clough
From : Ward Dossche
Date : Mon Sep 16 2024 03:05 pm
Dan,
DC>WD> Do "what" about it?
DC> I thought that was obvious, but - stop that system from allowing a
DC> non-sysop to post in a sysop-only echo area. Yes, I know about the
DC> "fidoweb" and the inability to do a "feed cut" as in the old days, but
DC> there are other things. Somebody (not me) that he might listen to when
DC> asked about this. Somebody like *YOU*. Somebody who knows him, and is
DC> his ZC, and has the authority to 'officially' ask him to stop doing it.
For ages I have been bombarded by messages predominantly from Z1-origin (yes, Janis, you too) that echomail was something entirely out of the scope of P4, that the *C-structure had nothing to do with it and should stay away from it.
Efforts to get some kind of echomail-policy off the ground were also effeciently torpedoed to smithereens.
And know you desire me to deal with an echomail-issue based on my P4-status? Really?
Let me tell you something, *Cs have no power, they can do nothing more than manage a nodelist segment hoping that what they get from below is decent and equally hoping one level up there's someone that knows how to handle that. These talents are becoming very rare in Fidonet these days.
I do not intend to go policing echomail, it wouldn't work anyway. I learned that the hard way barely a few months into my first stint as a ZC and I dropped the idea altogether.
Also I'm a firm believer in freedom of speech, that doesn't mean insulting someone is OK. Bjorn is not a wanker, and neither are you. So pls cut the vocabulary.
The person "Lee Lofaso", whether real or fake, does not bother me, does not impress me, does not interest me, does not annoy me ... because I figured out in order to be annoyed, you need to want to be annoyed. There are a lot more important things to deal with than a self-declared ghost spreading AI-khrap.
Really, you need to sit down and carefully consider what freedom of speech really is, because if someone cannot go beyond your self-imposed borders, then you are no advocate of it.
There's no reason to deal with Bjorn, I'm certain he is a nice human being trying to deal with the kind of miseries of life that some here cannot even begin to grasp.
I hope in a few weeks or months I'll be able to hop to Sweden, have a few drinks with Bjorn and publish a long overdue photo of him and I sharing a beer. Just like I went to eat pizza with Janis. breakfasted with Pablo Kleinman, dined with Ron Dwight, shared beers with Basilis Tsapas (I think), went to see Bob Bashe who all figured at some time I was an incompetent demon ...
Freedom of speech, Dan, and friendships. There are people who can't mutually stand each other's guts, but I like 'm all. Some Russian sysops I'd love to meet (and teach m how to drink beer), also go to Ukraine, go to the Crimea and drink some of their wines (and the destilates, so I'm told)...
Some advice: why not try to learn from Bjorn, he has stuff to give and is very generous. I'm sure you are too...
