Subj : Dynamic Duo
To : Michiel van der Vlist
From : Dmitry Protasoff
Date : Wed Aug 07 2024 12:04 am
Hello, Michiel!
Tuesday August 06 2024 09:18, you wrote to me:
MV> Not having the money to pay for food for kids is a very good reason to
MV> not have them in the first place. Nuclear power plant enigineers
You can't put children back where they came from of your countrie's economy just collapsed.
MV> should be smart enough to figure that out for themselves...
We call it "social darwinism". If you don't adapt quickly enough, your children are destined for extinction.
Looks like such ideas are popular in NL too? ;)
DP>> We had the same problem with telecommunications. Not enought
DP>> experts.
MV> But you had engineers for the nuclear power plants.
Yes, but they were very bad at telecommunications and economic reforms.
DP>> You probably just don't understand: it doesn't matter how people
DP>> vote. What matters is who is counting their votes.
MV> That is not how it was in the early days of Putin when he still could
MV> be voted out.
It was like this even since 1996 in many places. In 2000 it became worse, in 2004 it was too late to fix.
The first thing Putin did was take control of the courts. How are you supposed to do anything if the courts are biased?
Start military uprising? Really?
DP>> Fidonet is a democracy :)
MV> Yeah right, keep on dreaming.
May be in NL it was different :) I don't know.
MV>>> Not much different from The Netherlands when The King was the
MV>>> ultimate ruler..
DP>> It was like.. 200 year ago?
MV> Until about 150 years ago...
It was a long time ago, in a completely different era.
he king was unable to control most of the country. In the modern era, the Russian state has access to everything. all phone calls are recorded, all movements on the streets are tracked by facial recognition software, and all locations of people are analyzed and stored for future use (such as when the state needs to trace all your contacts from the last six months and locate those people).
The King had no such power.
DP>> So people in Netherlands 200 years ago were slaves??
MV> For all intents and purposen: yes. What I am saying is that just like
But no. It was not possible to buy some Dutch guys and kill them for fun. They were not like slaves.
They were not completely free, but that's really a very much different situation.
And in Russia, 150 years ago, buying and selling people was a common practice. Not Africans, no. Russians.
MV> So don't give me all this bla bla in answer to the question why you
MV> did not vote Putin out when your still could. I think you have already
MV> given the answer: You were not interested in politics.
In 2000 I voted against Putin, but I'm still not sure how my vote was counted. You just don't understand: in many parts of Russia, we have never had even a single fair election since 1992. What you heard in the news was just wishful thinking by Western journalists who know very little about inner Russia.
If you have total control over the media and can get 90% "support" in some regions by manipulating the numbers, it's not that hard to win elections.
And as I mentioned before, Putin came up with the idea of external expansion many years after 2000. In 2000, he was seen as "strong but liberal" leader and later was even called a "friend of U.S. President Bush", not a Hitler or Ghaddafi.
DP>> How many citizens of the Netherlands chose to die fighting when
DP>> Nazi Germany occupied your country? How many of your relatives
DP>> died fighting Germany?
MV> You loose: Godwin's law.
Godwin himself broke this law when compared Putin to Hitler couple of years ago.
https://x.com/sfmnemonic/status/1504244193660571651
But yes, the Netherlands did very badly in WWII, especially in comparison to Belgium, for example:
5 days to surrender (Belgium resisted for 18, like 3 times more).
70% of jewish popluation killed (42% in Belgium)
25 000 volontiers in SS (15 000 in Belgium)
So the idea of fighting against opressing regime was not very popular in NL ;) We have the same problem in Russia now.
Best regards,
dp.
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