Subj : Re: Floyd
To   : Gregory Deyss
From : Dale Shipp
Date : Wed Aug 05 2020 01:44 am

-=> On 08-04-20  13:33,  Gregory Deyss <=-
-=> spoke to Dale Shipp about Floyd <=-

DS> Did you actually look at that article with understanding?  Possibly not
DS> since you seemed to miss the point that a higher proportion of blacks
DS> are shot by police than whites.

GD> Here are the Actual Numbers

You are trying to defect and not respond to the actual question because
you cannot handle the truth.  The quote was not about actual numbers,
but about the rate of police shootings of black americans per millions
of population.

GD> 1441 more whites died then 778 black in last 4 years

Not the point.

DS> [quote]
DS> Additionally, the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans
DS> was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 31 fatal
DS> shootings per million of the population as of July 2020.
DS> [/quote]

GD> Here is the full quote

GD> Sadly, the trend of fatal police shootings in the United States seems
GD> to only be increasing, with a total 558 civilians having been shot, 111
GD> of whom were Black, as of July 29, 2020. In 2018, there were 996 fatal
GD> police shootings, and
GD> in 2019 this figure increased to 1,004. Additionally, the rate of
GD> fatal police shootings among Black Americans was much higher than that
GD> for any other ethnicity, standing at 31 fatal shootings per million of
GD> the population as of July 2020.

True, you quoted a bit more of the paragraph which is irrelavent to the
point being made, but is your deflection.

GD> Let's take a deeper dive, shall we? with what the above text is
GD> indicating here.  558 civilians having been shot 111 of whom were black
GD> this means that 447 of these were of another race. That number of
GD> skyrocketed to 1004, the graphic does NOT say it was by by Police
GD> officers,

Duh -- the quote is explicit that it about shootings of blacks by police
officers -- why are you trying to muddy the water?

GD> In recent years, particularly since the fatal shooting of Michael
GD> Brown in Ferguson, Missouri in 2014, police brutality has become a hot
GD> button issue in the United States. The number of homicides committed by
GD> police in the United States is often compared to those in countries
GD> such as England, where the number is significantly lower.

With good reason, perhaps because England has stricter gun control laws.
Also due to the fact that most British police do not even carry guns --
they don't feed the need to do so.


GD> Black Lives Matter
GD> The Black Lives Matter Movement, formed in 2013, has been a vocal part
GD> of the movement against police brutality in the U.S. by organizing
GD> "die-ins", marches, and demonstrations in response to the killings of
GD> black men and women by police.

GD> Black Lives Matter is a farce.

<<SNIP OF VERBAGE THAT IS NON RESPONSIVE TO THE QUESTION>>

GD> Rayshard Brooks would still be alive today if he did resist arrest.
GD> Don't take my word for it watch the video how
GD> this started and how it
GD> ended
GD> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhdpG2XzRXQ&t=183s

DS> Except that the end of that 44 minute video does not show how it ended.
DS> It shows a lot of discussion.  It shows the officer administering a
DS> field sobriety test (which Brooks passed much better than I could at any
DS> time).  Then it showed the officer putting cuffs on Brooks without any
DS> real explanation.  A shuffle ensued and Brooks ran away (not the best
DS> choice I admit).  From then on, we only hear sounds.  Did you watch the
DS> video?  If you had, you could not have truthfully said it showed the
DS> end.

GD> You are right about the discussion just about 42 minutes worth. You
GD> really believe that you or I would be given 42 minutes of time to try
GD> to explain ourselves?

In other words, you did not see what you claimed to see about how he got
shot.  And no, I think that you or me would have been told after about
five minutes -- OK, walk over to your daughter's birthday and leave your
car parked here where it is safe and causing no problem.

DS> Other videos show that the officer shot Brooks in the back as he was
DS> running away.  Brooks was no threat to the officer or anyone -- which is
DS> the critera for using deadly force.

GD> This video that I posted was from a Police Body cam, what other video
GD> would you be referencing.

Several that have been posted and aired on multiple news channels.  Did
you not see them?  Do you not know that he was shot in the back while
running away?

DS> Wrong.  The cop fired while Brooks was running away -- shot in the back.

GD> No you're wrong. COPS do not shoot at suspects white or black just for
GD> fleeing the scene.

That is exactly what was done.  It is against any standard police
procedure, but that is what was done.

GD> At 41:35 you can hear the cop telling Rayshard to let go of the tazer.

True -- not relevant to being shot in the back while running away.  If
you believe anything else happened, you have not been listening to
reputable sources.

                              Dale Shipp
                 fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
                             (1:261/1466)



... Shipwrecked in Silver Spring, Maryland. 02:04:35, 05 Aug 2020
___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30

--- Maximus/NT 3.01
* Origin: Owl's Anchor (1:261/1466)