Subj : Re: Democrat Protesters
To   : Lee Lofaso
From : Dan Cross
Date : Thu Jun 11 2020 06:31 am

On 10 Jun 2020 at 08:16p, Lee Lofaso pondered and said...

LL> >You don't know that he loves your dear president.
LL>
LL> He was there, giving Trump all his love and full support.

As are you!  Just admit that you're a Trump supporter.

LL> >Why? Because you're such a big Trump supporter
LL> >you want everyone to know how you feel about him?
LL>
LL> To remind you the oath of office requires the president to defend
LL> the Constitution of the United States.

So you don't refute that you're a Trump supporter.
Got it.

LL> >LL>I also quoted the text of the oath of enlistment for those
LL> >LL>who serve in the military. All the oaths call to defend the
LL> >LL>Constitution of the United States.
LL>
LL> >Military officers aren't enlisted.  You're so ignorant
LL> >you don't even know when you're wrong to accept correction.

You stated that officers are enlisted and swear the
oath of enlistment.  They aren't and don't.  I thought
that you Trumpers were really big on humping the
military's leg?  As a Good Little Right-Winger, shouldn't
you know that?

LL> >LL>Where do you get the bizarre idea that the military is there
LL> >LL>to defend the president? Please tell. I'm all ears.
LL> >
LL> >I'm not sure why you would ask that, since I never said
LL> >it was?
LL>
LL> Milley chose to defend the president, rather than the Constution
LL> of the United States. IOW, he violated the very oath he took as an
LL> officer. Meaning he is not an honorable man, or a gentleman.

No no no.  You made a specific statement, that _I_
believe that the military is here to defend the president.
Don't try to deflect.

LL> >Apparently, the DC police and your hero Trump.
LL>
LL> Which brings us back to the original question I asked at
LL> the beginning of this thread -
LL>
LL> "Do you intend to obey illegal orders from the President?"

And I answered that unequivocally: No.  I am not, nor
was I ever, under any obligation to follow any illegal
order, no matter who issued it; I would not do so.  You
evidently know me better than I do, though, and disagree
with me on what I would do and what I have seen other
military officers do.

But you've also admitted to being a Trump supporter, so
this is unsurprising.  Do you support his little concentration
camps for kids, or cracking down on protesters?

LL> Given that you are retired military, and no longer active, it is

I am not retired, as I told you.  That's a very specific
status; I served and left the service prior to retirement.
I am honorably discharged.

LL> a question you can easily dodge by claiming you are too old or some
LL> other chickenshit excuse.

I don't see how I need to "dodge" the question since I
answered it clearly and unequivocally.  Perhaps you didn't
understand the answer, or it didn't fit with your
preconceptions, and so you are having a hard time either
understanding or accepting it?

LL> However, the military man who originally
LL> asked the question answered it himself by his own actions - by
LL> joining the president as troops opened fire on peaceful protesters
LL> who lawfully did their thing on holy ground.

Except he actually wasn't there for the clearing of Lafayette
park.  Knowing that you support Trump, I understand that you
have a hard time with facts and nuance.

LL> >Oh, and I never said I was retired.  I am discharged.
LL>
LL> So was Jack Nicholson, with a bit of help from Tom Cruise.
LL> Please. Tell us how you did it. Was your road trip every bit
LL> as fun as the one Jack took?

Uh...you join, you serve, and you get out.  If you never do
anything illegal or immoral while in, you likely get an
honorable discharge; possibly a medical, which is technically
a general discharge, though under honorable circumstances.

It's really not that hard, though it probably doesn't mesh
with your biases, which may be why you have such a hard time
understanding it.  That may also have something to do with
your love for your president and Dear Leader, Donald Trump.

LL> Hey. What do you expect? I'm a civvie. Just like Trump!
LL> Born to be wild ...

You even revel in being like him!  Amazing.

LL> >No no no.  You said that _I_ was thought that what
LL> >happened to those protesters was deserved.  Don't
LL> >deflect; tell me where _I_ said that.  Be specific.
LL>
LL> All of the protesters were peaceful, lawfully protesting
LL> what they viewed as a wrong. It was others who had infiltrated
LL> their ranks who were causing trouble, as they had no interest
LL> in actually protesting a thing.

No no no.  You're trying to change the subject again.
You said that _I_ said those protesters deserved what
happened to them.  Tell me exactly where I said that.
Exactly.  Go ahead; I'll wait.

LL> You see, trouble is where you find it. And those troublemakers
LL> knew exactly where to go in order to find the kind of trouble they
LL> could make.
LL>
LL> Most, if not all, of the troublemakers were right-wing radicals.

Your kinda people, huh?  You want to see people in cages.
You want to see the police beat people on the street.  You
want to see a Trump dictatorship.

LL> What we have, in effect, is a president gone mad. A president who
LL> wants to make war on peaceful protesters, who have a Constitutional
LL> right to protest.

So why are you such a booster of his?

LL> There are pictures on social media verifying this for anybody
LL> who bothers taking a look.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2020/06/08/timeline-trump-church-
photo-op/

LL> >You're just peachy about the death of 100,000 Americans?
LL>
LL> We cure ourselves by dying faster. That is the new plan.
LL> If one can call it that.

I can see you're perfectly fine with Trump's handling of
the pandemic.

LL> Why are more African Americans dying, and at a faster rate, than
LL> other groups? Because they are the ones who keep us fed, and keep
LL> us clothed, and keep us housed.

So you're fine with keeping black people oppressed as long
as you are kept in clothing, housing and fed?  That's basically
what you're saying.

LL> >Meanwhile, you fully support your president.
LL>
LL> What kind of oath did you take?

We're not talking about me; we're talking about you
and your support for Trump.

LL> >Maybe you and Ammon Bundy should get together and go
LL> >bowling.  Then you can hit up a Trump rally together.
LL>
LL> Why do you hate the Constitution of the United States?
LL> It is a beautiful document, written on parchment, although
LL> the ink is brown and kinda fading ...

It's not me that hates it; it's you.  You and your
fellow Trump supporters, who align yourselves with
those who pervert it and its meaning to retain your
hold on power.  It's really sad.

LL> I support the will of the people. Whatever that happens to be.

So you're ok with the right-wing putting kids in
concentration camps.  With Trump destroying the planet
and the presidency.  With murder of black and brown
bodies in the name of "law and order". With over a
hundred thousand of your fellow Americans dying.

Wow.

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