Subj : Democrat Protesters
To   : Dan Cross
From : Lee Lofaso
Date : Tue Jun 09 2020 08:03 am

Hello Dan,

>LL> >You're just a sanctimonious douche.  Trump
>LL> >asked for 10,000 active duty troops and got
>LL> >shouted down by Milley.
>LL> LL> General Milley took an oath to defend the Constitution
>LL> of the United States, yet refused to do so, as shown by
>LL> his actions.
>
>Trump might have told Milley, "Take a walk with me."
>That, in itself, was not an illegal order.  What should
>be have done differently?


tell the president to "F*ck off".

Trump wanted to use the National Guard to clear out peaceful
protesters so he could have a photo-op in front of a church and
at a religious shrine. Never mind the fact it was an illegal
order. Never mind the fact that members of the National Guard
from different states were present. Never mind the fact that
both the church and the shrine were in DC, which is not a state.

General Milley is not a stupid man. He knew what the president
wanted, and his reasons why. And yet he showed up, in combat
fatigues, walking with Trump, ready to do battle with peaceful
and nonviolent Americans who had a Constitutional right to
protest.

General Milley took an oath to defend the Constitution of the
United States, not the president. He seems to have forgotten, or
perhaps he just didn't give a sh*t. Either way, he was wrong to
have done what he did. Tacit approval is the same as giving the
illegal orders himself.

>That doesn't mean that Milley sanctioned using police
>to clear out that park.

Tacit approval is just that. Giving his own approval to what
was planned, and done.

>That doesn't mean Milley supported sending in active duty troops, as we know
> he didn't.

Milley was there, along with his dearly beloved president, supporting
those National Guardsmen who followed the illegal orders given them.

>Milley has to walk a fine line of reigning in Trump and keeping
>politics out of the military.

Milley is not an honorable man. If he had any honor, he would have
resigned his commission, then walked away. Some would call what he
did conduct unbecoming an officer, but since he is a flunky for his
president will never have to face a courts martial.

>Get off your high horse.

Why? Does the truth hurt your ears? I sure hope so.

>You make assumptions about things you don't know and act like others
>who don't make those same assumptions are complicit with your imagined
> wrong-doings.

When have I ever said Milley was or is a stupid person?
When have I ever said Trump was or is a stupid person?
Fact of the matter is, I find both men to be very smart
people. And also dangerous. Especially since both know
right from wrong and choose to do wrong anyway.

>LL>General Mark Milley, decked out in combat fatigues, marched
>LL>lock-step with Donald Trump to the church as orders were given
>LL>for National Guard to open fire on peaceful protesters (mostly
>LL>women and children, along with clergy). Did Donald Trump fire
>LL>General Milley after he wrote a memo and said a few words?
>LL>Nope. General Milley is still Trump's guy. As if nothing has
>LL>happened to spoil their fine relationship. What a guy!
>
>Milley has no real authority over the guard in this
>case.  That's on the governors.  He's wearing fatigues
>because that's the uniform of the day.

General Milley is Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. All of the
other Chiefs of Staff also violated their own oaths by defending their
president rather than the Constitution of the United States. So please
do not think what I am saying is all about Milley. Far from it.

>You DO realize I find Trump's use of force to clear
>Lafayette Park repugnant, right?  You DO realize I
>abhor his perversion of the guard for a cheap photo
>op, right?  You're not only preaching to the choir,
>the spittle flying from your frothing mouth is hitting
>me in the face.

Good. It should. As it should hit every person in the military
(active and retired). Perhaps if enough people take the same approach
as me, positive things might begin to happen in this once-proud
country of ours.

>LL>Rather than defending the Constitution of the United States,
>LL>the thing to do is to support and defend the president!
>LL>After all, the president doesn't care about the Constitution
>LL>of the United States, as shown by his hatred of "we the people."
>
>You're so convinced of your interpretation that you
>can't see how you could even possibly be misreading
>the situation.

I quoted the text of the oath of office for the president.
I also quoted the text of the oath of enlistment for those
who serve in the military. All the oaths call to defend the
Constitution of the United States.

Where do you get the bizarre idea that the military is there
to defend the president? Please tell. I'm all ears.

>LL>>Esper got slapped down by the chiefs, which is why you don't
>LL>>see troops confronted with the awful choice of potentially starting a
> cou by disobeying illegal orders.
>LL> LL>Like your dear friend Milley, Esper also took an oath to defend
>LL>the Constitution of the United States rather than the president.
>
>Indeed.  And Esper came out against this.

And yet he chose to say nothing to prevent Trump or Milley
from doing what they did.

>Milley shouted down Trump in a meeting.

General Milley still has the same job he had before he went with
Trump to gas the protesters. Esper also still has the same job he
had. See how that works? They best buds! All of them!

>Now the guard is being pulled from DC.

Now that Trump got his photo-op they are no longer needed.
So why keep them there? Serves no useful purpose ...

>The generals won this one.

Joe Biden    55%
Donald Trump 41%
US Military  10%
Police        5%

>What would you have rather been done?

Tell Trump to "f*ck off", grab a beer, and play frisbee with my dog.

>They through a hissy fit like you and get sacked until Trump finds some
> asshole willing to do what he wants?



>Or they exert pressure behinds the scenes and stave off a coup until the
> election?

A coup? The military is so dysfunctional in this country it does
not even know what a coup is, much less how to conduct one. How else
do you think Trump is able to get away with doing what he does?

Who gave the orders for the National Guard to open fire on
peaceful protesters? Washington DC is not a state. No governors
there to give the orders. Who gave the orders? You should know,
being retired military.

>You can't see the bigger picture.

Only the president's shrink knows the big picture. Everybody else
has to guess.

>LL>But like Milley, he chose to do nothing to stop the president
>LL>from having his way in going to war against the American people.
>
>He literally shouted him down in a meeting.  Trump wanted
>10,000 active duty troops to flood DC and Milley told him
>to fuck off.

So what? The president knows he can do whatever he wants.
Regardless of what Milley (or anybody else) told him.

>LL>So, by your lights it is perfectly okay for Americans to kill
>LL>other Americans, as they would only be "following orders" of a
>LL>president gone mad. That line of defense did not work out so
>LL>well for Germans who were prosecuted at Nuremburg. I wonder how
>LL>well that defense will work out for those who followed the illegal
>LL>orders of their commander-in-chief?
>
>Fuck off you sanctimonious douche.

The truth hurts, doesn't it? Should I turn up the volume?
Make sure you are able to hear it - with both ears?

>How dare you accuse me of supporting this asshole or his
>idiotic abuse of the military.  Pull the tree out of your
>ass and act like an adult for a minute: what Trump is doing
>is far from ok.  But blinding falling on our swords isn't
>going to do anyone any favors and will only make the
>situation orders of magnitude worse.

Several military officers have violated their oath of enlistment
by choosing to defend the president rather than the Constitution of
the United States. I have not accused you of having done so, and I
do pray you never do (if you come out of retirement).


>LL>sense not to obey the illegal orders given to him by Governor "Bobby"
>LL>Jindal, who wanted National Guardsmen to use live ammo to kill young
>LL>black boys who were looting department stores in New Orleans. Talk
>LL>about a helluva price to pay for stealing shoes, wouldn't you say?
>
>Apples and oranges.


is not. What more need be said?

>LL>Back to the crowd at St. John's church -
>LL>You know as well as I do that nobody in that crowd deserved to be
>LL>shot by rubber bullets, pepper spray, or tear gas. It was a peaceful
>LL>protest, allowed under our US Constitution, and your fine president
>LL>and fellow officers could have cared less. They did what they did
>LL>because the US Constitution means nothing to them. And peoples lives
>LL>mean even less.
>
>Hey asshole, point out where I ever said that anyone
>in that crowd deserved what happened to them?  Go ahead,
>I'll wait.

General Milley said it was okay, by being there with Trump.
Defending Milley's actions is the same as saying the crowd deserved
what they got.

>That's your misinterpretation because you're so goddamn drunk on your own
> faux moral superiority and love to hear yourself talk that you never stop
> to see if people are agreeing with you.

I do not care if others agree with me or not. Truth is truth,
even if it is damning to all.

>I bet you're just the life of the parties you go to.

I can be. And I've been to plenty.

>On the other hand, you seem to think it's funny to joke
>about having COVID-19.  Is that because you don't care
>about the 100,000 Americans who have died because your
>fine president couldn't be bothered to get off the golf
>course and deal with the pandemic like a real leader?

Gallows humor. Some folks love it. Others hate it. Don't know why.

>LL>Black Lives Matter. To all of us. Not just to blacks.
>
>You say that, but your jokes about COVID-19 betray a
>different viewpoint.  You obviously don't care, because
>COVID-19 has disproportionately affected black and minority
>communities and you seem to think it's fine material for
>a joke.  You and your president should go golfing together,
>you obviously have a lot in common.  Members of the latinx
>community are also hard hit; do you still think your joke
>was appropriate?  How about kids in cages in concentration
>camps?  Do you approve of that, too?  I mean, your president
>does.  He also jokes about COVID-19, I'm sure.

The first cases of COVID-19 in the USA were in February.
Mark my words, nine months from February will come the first
coronababies of the year ...

>LL>We the people have a Constitutional right to exercise *all* freedoms
>LL>noted. You might want to take some time and actually read what the US
>LL>Constitution says, including all the amendments.
>
>So are you going to show up at one of those reopening protests
>without a mask and with a gun like the other right-wing nutjobs?
>You clearly don't care about BLM and you clearly don't take
>COVID-19 very seriously, so you'd probably fit right in.

Do realize none of those peaceful protesters have COVID-19. It is
only those from outside their communities who are infected. So why
wear a mask? Really no need. Unless one wanted to masquerade as a
member of the press.

>LL>You can start with the Preamble and go from there. It should not
>LL>take you long to finish, as the US Constitution is less than 5,000
>LL>words total (including amendments).
>
>Can I borrow your pocket constitution, or did you leave it
>at the bird refugee with the other right-wingers?

Download a digital copy. Plenty of free copies available.
Take as many as you want. Spread them around for others to read.
That will make you a true patriot. Of course, you might have to
explain it to them, and teach them what it all means ...

>LL>It doesn't take much to understand that murder is murder.
>LL>I condemn *all* acts of violence. So should you, and everyone
>LL>else.
>
>Then why do you joke about COVID-19?

We joke about everything else. So why not COVID-19?
Can't leave anything out these days. Otherwise folks
will call you a bigot. Or a racist. Or both.

>LL>A huge orange grin smiling at ya.
>
>Seems like you support him based on what you do.

Donald Trump has done the one thing no other president has
ever been able to do. He brought us all together.

That's right. Donald Trump is a uniter, not a divider.
Remember. You heard it here first.

--Lee

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