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From: [email protected] (Nicholas Jodar)
Subject: The 'Holey' Bible....
Originator: [email protected] (Zeeshan Hasan -Moderator)
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:03:25 GMT
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[Note to Moderator:  This is in answer to all of these 'the Bible
has no errors and/or is free of tampering' claims.]

Assalaamu Alaikum,....


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DISCREPANCIES IN THE NEW TESTAMENT:
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'There are claimed contradictions that theologians have not resolved to every
atheist's satisfaction.  There are textual difficulties with which scholars are
still wrestling. [After how many thousands of years?]  Only a Bible illiterate
would deny these and other problems.'

  -- 'The Plain Truth,' July, 1975

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The Qur'an says the Bible is screwed with.  Here is some of the evidence.

The following is a list of some of the discrepancies found
within the New Testament (using the 1952 RSV, the most accurate
translation I have thus far).  Many of these discrepancies
are found in more than one place, but I've only listed one.  (I
don't have THAT much time to kill. :-)  There's even more stuff
I could go over in the OLD Testament....)  This file is still
being compiled, but I figured I could post it now (it's about
two-thirds done) in answer to the many false statements made
in recent postings.

It is quite obvious from the following that, not only was the
Bible written by men, but that such men, unlike the Prophets (AS)
that have gone before, were not all inspired by GOD (if any were);
the writers of the various books often disagree.  What is
disturbing is that so many Christians don't seem to reading their
Bible very closely.  The Church isn't helping, either.  They
(along with the Israeli Government) have consistently blocked
research of all ancient manuscripts uncovered.

I hope that the following will be informative, and that others,
inshallah, will be encouraged to study the Bible with as much
dedication as I have.  For the most accurate translation
available, I suggest 'Knoct's Concordance of the Greek Translation.'
Note, also, that the American Bible Society puts out a version
of the 1611 KJV which, while containing inaccuracies, has many
helps and additional information to those in pursuit of the Truth.


Auzu Billahi Min Ash-Shaitan Nirajeem.  Bismillah...


-Brother Abdul Qadir

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Christians Confess!
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Dr. W. Graham Scroggie of THE 'Moody Bible Institute' of Chicago, in his book
'Is the Bible the Word of God?' (under the heading 'It is Human, Yet Divine,'
(page 17) says:

'Yes, the Bible is human, though some, out of a zeal which is not according to
knowledge, have denied this.  Those books [making up the Bible] have passed
through the minds of men, are written in the language of men, were penned by
the hands of men, and bear in their style the characteristics of men.'

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Kenneth Cragg, the Anglican Bishop of Jerusalem, in his book 'The Call of the
Minaret' (page 277) says:

'Not so the New Testament ... There is condensation and editing; there is
choice, reproduction, and witness.  The Gospels have come through the mind
of the Church behind the authors.  They represent experience and history.'

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>From the Preface to the RSV, 1952 ('the product of thirty-two scholars
assisted by an advisory committee representing fifty co-operating
denominations'):

'...  Yet the King James Version has grave defects.  By the middle of the
nineteenth century, the development of Biblical studies and the discovery of
many manuscripts more ancient than those upon which the King James Version was
based, made it manifest that these defects are so many and so serious as to
call for revision of the English translation.'

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>From an article entitled 'The Truth About the Bible,' in an old back issue of
'Look' magazine:

'...as early as 1720, an English authority estimated that there were at least
20,000 errors in the two editions of the New Testament commonly read by
Protestants and Catholics.  Modern students say there are probably 50,000
errors.'

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>From E.G. White, a 'prophetess' of the Seventh Day Adventist Church, in her
Bible Commentary (Volume 1, page 14) says:

'The Bible we read today is the work of many copyists who have in most
instances done their work with marvellous accuracy.  But copyists have not
been infallible, and GOD most evidently has not seen fit to preserve them
altogether from error in transcribing.'

Still later, she adds:  'I saw that GOD had especially guarded the Bible,'
[from what?] 'yet when copies of it were few, learned men had in some
instances changed the words, thinking that they were making it plain, when
in reality they were mystifying that which was plain, by causing it to lean
to their established views, which were governed by tradition.'

She says this, and yet STILL says 'Truly, the Bible is the infallible Word
of GOD.'(!)  'Yes, it is adulterated, but pure.'(?!)  'It is human, yet
divine.'

?!?!?

Do words have any meaning for such people?  Apparently only in a Court of
Law....

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On page five of the Foreword in the Jehovah's Witnesses' Bible, (now expunged!)
they say/said:

'In copying the inspired originals by hand, the element of human frailty
entered in, and so none of the thousands [four thousand, to be exact...]
of copies extant today in the original language are perfect duplicates.  The
result is that no two copies are exactly alike.'

They conclude:  'The evidence is, therefore, that the original text of the
Christian Greek Scriptures ['New Testament'] has been tampered with, the
same as the text of the LXX ['Old Testament'] has been.'

These supposedly rational people then state that no amount of tampering
will 'appreciably affect the authenticity of the Bible.' (?!)

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J.B. Phillips, a prebendary of the Chichester Cathedral, of the Angelical
Church in England, refers to the 'Gospel According to St. Matthew' in his
introduction to it:

'Early tradition ascribed this Gospel to the apostle Matthew, but scholars
nowadays almost all reject this view.' [Indeed, Modern Scholars only hazard
a guess as to the author of 'Luke,' and it wasn't Luke, either....]

But Phillips goes on:  'The author, whom we can conveniently call Matthew, has
plain drawn on the mysterious "Q" [for German 'Quella' == 'Sources'], which
may have been a collection of oral traditions.' [This is the accepted theory
of Modern Western Scholars]  'He has used Mark's Gospel freely, though he has
rearranged the order of events and has in several instances used different
words for what is plainly the same story.'

The authors of 'Matthew' and 'Luke,' in fact, have COPIED 85% of 'Mark,'
WORD FOR WORD.  Believe it or not, the Christians call this wholesale
plagiarism 'Divine Inspiration'....

[The OT is even worse. (Isaiah 37 is, in fact, 2 Kings 19, both attributed
to different authors, centuries apart, and both 'inspired' by Allah....)
Attributing such nonsense to Allah (AWJ) is blasphemy, and no self-
respecting 'man of GOD' would hear of it.]

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The same J.B. Phillips has this to say about the 'Gospel of St. Luke':

'On his own admission Luke has carefully compared and edited existing material,
but it would seem that he had access to a good deal of additional material,
and we can reasonably guess at some of the sources from which he drew.'

This author, previously assumed to be 'Luke,' who says 'It seemed good to me
also' to 'write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus'.
This is 'Divine Inspiration'?!?

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Anybody who reads plain english can understand what these people are saying.
They are saying that the Bible was written by men, not Allah.  Further
evidence is provided by the fact that the entire Bible is written in the
THIRD PERSON.  ('And the Lord said unto Moses...,' 'And Moses said unto the
Lord...,' 'The word which Isaiah saw concerning...,' 'And Jesus said to
them...' et cetera.  Nowhere in the Bible will you find the word 'Bible,'
much less 'Old' or 'New Testament.'  Out of four thousand texts, not a
single one has the author's name on it.  (Hence the 'According to' in the title
of each of the four gospels selected to be included in the Canon.)

Yet they INSIST that the Bible is indeed the word of Allah (!)....  Truly,
Jesus (AS) was right in saying, '...seeing, they see not; and hearing, they
hear not; neither do they understand.' [Mt 13:13]

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Genealogy of Jesus--What Was It? (PBUH)
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The Gospel ''According to Matthew'' tells us that there were fourteen
generations between Abraham (AS) and Babylon, and fourteen between Babylon
and Jesus (AS).  Despite the claim that the authors of the Gospels were
'Inspired' by Allah, only two of them bothered to record the Genealogy of
Jesus (AS).  Yet of the two Genealogies given, neither matches the (much
earlier) recording in the OT.  Who's lying, here?

[Note:  The sons of Noah were four:  Shem, Ham, Japheth, and Japheth's
elder brother, Eber. (Genesis 10:1, 21)]

Mt. 1:1-17      vs.             Lk. 3:23-38      vs.    Old Testament
----------                      -----------             -------------
-                               GOD (Allah)              --
1                               Adam                    Adam            1
2                               Seth                    Sheth           2
3                               Enos                    Enosch          3
4                               Cainan                  Kenan           4
5                               Mahalaleel              Mahalaleel      5
6                               Jared                   Jared           6
7                               Enoch                   Enoch           7
8                               Methuselah              Methuselah      8
9                               Lamech                  Lamech          9
10                              Noah                    Noah            10
11                              Shem                    Shem (heir/Eber)11
12                              Arphaxad                Arpachshad      12
13                              Cainan                    |             13
14                              Shelah                  Shelah          14
15                              Eber                    Eber            15
16                              Peleg                   Peleg           16
17                              Reu                     Reu             17
18                              Serug                   Serug           18
19                              Nahor                   Nahor           19
20                              Terah                   Terah           20

1 Abraham                       Abraham                 Abraham         21
2 Isaac                         Isaac                   Isaac           22
3 Jacob                         Jacob                   Jacob           23
4 Judah                         Judah                   Judah           24
5 Perez ('bastard')             Perez ('bastard')         |             25
6 Hezron                        Hezron                  Hezron          26
7 Ram                           Arni                    Ram             27
   |                           Admin                     |             28
8 Amminadab                     Amminadab               Amminadab       29
9 Nahshon                       Nahshon                 Nahshon         30
10 Salmon                       Sala                    Salma           31
11 Boaz                         Boaz                    Boaz            32
12 Obed                         Obed                    Obed            33
13 Jesse                        Jesse                   Jesse           34
14 David                        David                   David           35
-------------   --              -----                   -----
FROM ABRAHAM:   14              15                      13

1 David                         David                   David           35
2 Solomon                       Nathan                  Solomon         36
3 Rehoboam                      Mattatha                Rehoboam        37
4 Abijah                        Menna                   Abijah          38
5 Asa                           Melea                   Asa             39
6 Joshaphat                     Eliakim                 Jehoshaphat     40
7 Joram                         Jonam                   Joram           41
8 Uzziah                        Joseph                  Ahaziah         42
    |                          Judah                   Joash           43
    |                          Simeon                  Amaziah         44
    |                          Levi                    Azariah         45
9 Jotham                        Matthat                 Jotham          46
    |                          Jorim                     |             47
    |                          Eliezer                   |             48
10 Ahaz                         Joshua                  Ahaz            49
11 Hezekiah                     Er                      Hezekiah        50
12 Manasseh                     Elmadam                 Manasseh        51
13 Amos                         Cosam                   Amon            52
14 Josiah                       Addi                    Josiah          53
    |                          Melchi                  Jehoiakim       54
15 Jechoniah                    Neri                    Jeconiah        55
-----------     --              ------                  ---------
TO BABYLON:     15              19                      17

1 Shealtiel                     Shealtiel               Pedaiah         56
2 Zerubbabel                    Zerubbabel              Zerubbabel      57
                                                       Hananiah        58
                                                       Jeshaiah        59
                               Rhesa                   Rephaiah        60
                                                       Arnan           61
                                                       Obadiah         62
                                                       Shecaniah       63
                                                       Shemaiah        64
                                                       Neariah         65
                                                       Elioenai        66
                               Joanan                  Johanan         67
                               Joda                       |            68
                               Josech                     ?            69
                               Semein                                  70
                               Mattathias                              71
                               Maath                                   72
                               Naggai                                  73
                               Esli                                    74
                               Nahum                                   75
                               Amos                                    76
                               Mattathias                              77
                               Joseph                                  78
                               Jannai                                  79
                               Melchi                                  80
                               Levi                                    81
3 Abiud                                                                 82
4 Eliakim                                                               83
5 Azor                                                                  84
6 Zadok                                                                 85
7 Achim                                                                 86
8 Eliud                                                                 87
9 Eleazar                                                               88
10 Matthan                      Matthat                                 89
11 Jocob                        Heli                                    90
12 Joseph                       Joseph                                  91
13 Jesus                        Jesus                                   92
--------------  --              -----                   ---
TO JESUS (AS):  13              23+                     13+


Some Big Booboos:

1)      Jesus (AS) cannot possibly be descended 'from David' by BOTH of
       David's sons;

2)      As a supposed 'bastard,' Perez's line would have been cursed for
       at least ten generations, according to the OT, but David (AS) was
       made king;

3)      Joseph (RAA) could not possibly have been the son of both Jocob
       and Heli;

4)      Jesus (AS) has to be connected to David (AS) through his mother
       Mary (RAA), as Joseph (RAA) wasn't really his father;

5)      NEITHER of the two Genealogies are correct, based on the evidence
       provided;

6)      'Matthew' has screwed up his 'three groups of fourteen' in his
       genealogy;

7)      According to 'Luke,' (who is more generous than 'Matthew') there
       are still only twenty generations between Abraham and David, which
       is impossible, time-wise.  (14-16 generations for 8 centuries?)

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Where Are the Apostles?

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Matthew         Mark            Luke            John            Barnabas
-------         ----            ----            ----            --------
'Peter' (Simon) Peter           Peter           Peter           Peter
Andrew          Andrew          Andrew          Andrew          Andrew
James           James           James           James           James
John            John            John            John            John
Philip          Philip          Philip          Philip          Philip
Bartholomew     Bartholomew     Bartholomew     ------
Thomas          Thomas          Thomas          Thomas          Thomas
Matthew         Matthew         Matthew         ------          Matthew
James           James           James           ------          James
Thaddeus        Thaddeus        -----           ------          -----
Simon           Simon           Simon           ------          Simon
Judas Isc.      Judas Isc.      Judas Isc.      Judas Isc.      Judas Isc.
                               Judas                           Judas
                                                               Barnabas (Joses)

[Note:  Barnabas is also found in Colosians, Galacians, and Acts.]

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Herod Dead or Not?

Mt. 2:19 vs. Mt. 14:1

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Jesus (AS) Touched, But by Whom?

Mt. 9:18, Mk. 5:21, Lk. 8:40

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Jesus (AS) Curses the Fig Tree
(One of his few documented mistakes, but when did it happen?  And
how did it REALLY happen?)

Mt. 21:18, Mk. 11:12

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Baptism of Jesus (AS) by John (AS) vs. John (AS)'s Messengers
(Did John (AS) Recognize Jesus (AS) or not?)

Mt. 3:13-15 vs. Mt. 11:2-6

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Leper or Simon's Mother-in-Law Healed first?

(See Gospels)

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Palsied Man Healed in Capernaum or Nazareth?

Mt. 9:1-2 vs. Mk. 2:1-4

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Was the Publican Named Matthew or Levi?
(This particular passage also implies that Matthew was not
the author of the Gospel attributed to him.)

Mt. 9:9 vs. Lk. 5:27

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When Were the Twelve Really Ordained?

(See Gospels)

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When Did Jesus (AS) Really Calm the Storm?

(See Gospels)

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When Did Jesus (AS) Heal the 'Demoniacs,' and Where?
(There is no 'Gergesene,' at least not there, then....)

(See Gospels)

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When Were the Twelve Given Their Mission?

(See Gospels)

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>From Where Was the Woman of Faith?

Mt. 15:21-22 vs. Mk. 7:24-26

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Did Jesus (AS) Heal One or Two Blind Men?

Mt. 20:30-34 vs. Lk. 18:35-43

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When was what Last Supper?

Jn. 13:1 vs. Lk. 7:1

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The Crowning Speech in 'John' is Missing in
the Other Three Gospels!?

Jn. 13-17

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John 'Forgets' to Include Jesus (AS)'s
Prayer in the Garden???

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John Describes the Last Supper in
Numbing Detail, Including Details
Left Out of the Other Gospels,
But 'Forgets' to Mention the
Eucharist!

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Angel Lies to the Women

Mt. 28:7 vs. Mt. 28:9

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Paul Contradicts All of
the Sightings of the
'Risen' Jesus (AS) in
the Canonical Gospels

1 Cor. 15:5-7 vs. Gospels

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Paul Can't Get His Conversion
Story Straight....

Acts 9:3-7 vs. Acts 22:6-9 vs.
Acts 26:12-15

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Paul Also Can't Get His
Ordainment Story Straight....

Acts 9:10-15 vs. Acts 22:10-15
vs. Acts 26:16-18

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Moses (AS), Aaron (AS), Hagar (RAA)
and the Apostles (RAA) Witnessed the
Glory of GOD, but Paul was Struck
for Three Days by Seeing Jesus (AS)

Ex. 3:1-6, 19:19-24, Gen. 16:13 and
Gospels vs. Acts 9:8-9

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Paul Confesses the
Resurrection to be His
Own Doctrine

2 Timothy 2:8

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Paul Initiates Doctrine
of Jesus (AS) Being
Divine

Acts 9:20

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Paul Negates the Law

Romans 3:28 and vs. Mt. 5:17-20

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Paul Denies His Own
Actions/Experiences

Acts 9:28-29, 21:27-36, and 26:19-20
vs. Galatians 1-2

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