The most computer-oriented  person  I found was a gamer,  who games
every single second they are not unconscious or dragging themselves
out of bed and to their retail job. Not serious gaming though- just
playing  whatever they heard is fashionable,  by themselves.   They
thought  they were A Computer  Person  in high school, until  as an
adult they were put through Web Design Product Training  (For Free,
meaning   the  money went directly  from NZ's ministry   of  social
development  to the Training Business with no input or opinion from
them). Now they say they Are Not A Computer Person, and have no way
of getting  those years of their life back, and worse society  acts
like the tax money that was given to the Training Business in their
name had been given  to them.  They use the computer  every  day to
play games,  but they don't Use The Climate-  what would  that even
mean.

Another person

was a first  generation  migrant  from a country whose  high school
diplomas   are not recognised  by New Zealand.   They  were  forced
("required")  to do New Zealand high school through  adult remedial
classes   (For  Free, meaning  the money went directly   from  NZ's
ministry  of social development  to the Training  Business  with no
input or opinion from them).  This person's brilliance  shines like
the sun, and their  English  is far above  average  in New Zealand.
They  seem to have developed  a tic of simplifying   and  carefully
explaining  anything they say so they can't be easily dismissed  as
being from a country without even high school education.   (This is
quite  nice  to listen  to actually).   They enrolled  in the  only
real-university  (in some sense) program  that accepted their adult
NZ High School qualification.

Of  Course   they  never hear about what  technical   people   like
university  teachers  think on modern issues-  that's normal.   And
there is no way to communicate ideas in the other direction either.
That's just normal.

I guess  this person is climbing  a decades long path from being an
adult migrant from a relatively  poor country through a few decades
of mixed retail and Free and Student Loan education towards getting
to the aspirational university teacher class of NZ society.

Another person.

Climate-   shouldn't  you be asking  an...  Officer?   A climate...
Officer?   Seemed  like a conversational  dead end here, until they
kindly  volunteered  How They Just Waste  Time when they are not at
their retail  job. They showed me photos of the lego world they had
assembled   with lego trains winding  past clearly  careful   urban
planning   of  lego buildings.   (Plus one for  trains   as  public
transit!) Here I tried analogising  computer software and lego, but
they remained  adamant  that the lego photos  they were showing  me
were  not what people  were talking  about when they talked   about
computer  stuff.   If I wanted  to talk about computer stuff,  they
recommended their friend (the gamer above).

Another person.

This person only used their iPhone to TikTok.  Maybe an AI would be
better at doing their weekly rostering,  but they would need to set
up a microphone  to talk to the AI, install  some AI software,  and
learn how to get an AI to compute  a weekly work roster for them...
So the roster is going to continue being done completely by hand in
Microsoft Excel as it has always been.  They aren't going to become
an expert at AI. No, no opinions on the climate.

Well sure, paper straws, and customers  hate the paper straws.  And
paper bags, and bamboo disposable  forks. Those were expensive, and
government  requirements,  and the government doesn't  help pay for
them. It seems like it's just about raising a new tax, and that tax
money just vanishes into government employees.

Even if you do really  good- it's like a class. Maybe some students
try hard and do everything right, but not everyone is, and some are
going to break the rules badly no matter how good the good students
are. It's like that with countries  and the climate.  So it is very
discouraging to try and do the right thing for the environment. And
blaming bad weather on not using bamboo takeaway forks- yeah right,
pull the other one.