| # taz.de -- Research on Neonazi-milieu: „The snooping hurt me“ | |
| > Journalist Andrea Röpke researches Neo-Nazi groups and was spied out by | |
| > the intelligence services. She is not intimidated. | |
| Bild: She monitors Neo-Nazis and has therefore attracted the attention of the i… | |
| taz: Ms. Röpke, do you think we’ll manage a whole interview without talking | |
| about your area of expertise – Neonazis? | |
| Andrea Röpke: That would be a challenge, wouldn’t it? I am very interested | |
| in the well-being of calves. We can talk about animal cruelty. | |
| Why the well-being of calves? | |
| When you travel through the countryside you see these plastic constructions | |
| where calves only have one meter of space. They are separated from their | |
| mother at birth. That upsets me. I’ve photographed that. | |
| Have you researched this field? | |
| No, but I know a colleague who is into it, so every now and then I have | |
| guaranteed photo evidence. My own topic, which we would like to avoid, | |
| takes up enough of my life. | |
| Can you still get away from it all sometimes? | |
| Yes, by sailing or going for a bike ride. I am a nature freak. I always | |
| find it funny when the people I research accuse me of being a crazy loner | |
| who cannot have anything to do with nature, the country, or family. They | |
| have no idea. | |
| You consider it very important that nothing is known about your private | |
| life. | |
| In a time of social networks, the danger that somebody might find out | |
| something is especially great. I can take responsibility for what I do | |
| myself. But when those around me are jeopardized, I can’t excuse it – even | |
| if they stand by everything I do. | |
| Have they already been targeted? | |
| Many times. During my research my colleagues and I have been spat at, | |
| pelted, and harrassed by Neo-Nazis – and parts of my camera were destroyed. | |
| Once I was beaten up. Since Pegida’s mass demonstrations the people on the | |
| street have been emboldened. In Leipzig a command was given for far-right | |
| extremist hooligans to attack us journalists. | |
| Are you particularly unpopular amongst Neo-Nazis? | |
| For the far right we are seen as an attack, they take things personally. | |
| They want to work together with large newspapers or TV crews, so they are | |
| attacking the specialized journalists instead. Certain names lend | |
| themselves to that. In the meantime, however, almost all media | |
| representatives are really feeling the hate on the streets. The major TV | |
| channels send TV teams to far-right demonstrations only when accompanied by | |
| security teams. That is something freelance journalists cannot afford. | |
| Are you not worried? | |
| Yes, sometimes. For example at the Hogesa riot in Cologne in 2014. There | |
| were far more people there than we expected – over 5000. The extremely | |
| aggressive Nazi hooligans of the Bremen “Standarts“ were there, and their | |
| leader gave commands. It wasn’t long before bottles and stones were being | |
| thrown – a police car was overturned right in front of me. They were | |
| everywhere, you couldn’t move. Over 40 officials and journalist colleagues | |
| were injured. | |
| What drives you to carry on researching the Neo-Nazi scene? | |
| It’s a job I like doing. I enjoy ploughing intensively through a topic and | |
| am very free to do it. What drives me is the conviction that it’s an | |
| important task. | |
| In January 2017 your “Yearbook of Far-Right Violence“ was published. Was | |
| last year worse than those before it? | |
| Far-right violence has been exploding since 2015, and it didn’t diminish in | |
| 2016. There has been everyday violence in the midst of our society for a | |
| long time, in the shadow if Islamic terror, which is perceived to come from | |
| abroad. Crimes such as the National Socialist Underground murders, the | |
| killing spree in Munich, or the Reichsbürger movement shootings, are | |
| quickly forgotten. | |
| If you get deep into the Neo-Nazi mindset, in chatrooms and publications, | |
| do you then develop a fascination for the unfathomable? | |
| It isn’t a fascination. If you spend weeks reading material directly from | |
| those involved in the NSU trial, or examining what is being distributed by | |
| Neo-Nazis, rockers, and hooligans in social networks – a setting which is | |
| male-dominated and sexist -, then I am shocked. I am shocked by the | |
| dynamics of hatred and the extent to which the mainstream uncritically goes | |
| along with it. | |
| You place your research focus on the far-right-wing of society. What about | |
| the racism of those in the political centre? | |
| My research has also changed since 2013. With Pegida and the AfD, we are | |
| now directly confronted with the hatred of those around us. Such as a | |
| financial officer torching a future refugee accommodation centre, or three | |
| young people from the Hameln area throwing a Molotov cocktail into refugee | |
| children’s rooms. Teachers, lawyers, and judges are pushing the AfD’s | |
| hatred. The far-right movement is now far more diverse. | |
| How did you arrive at this topic? | |
| I studied Political Science in Bremen and always thought about what I | |
| should do with it. I didn’t want to enter the civil service. Then there was | |
| a course: “NS perpetrators’ careers after 1945“ I found that really | |
| exciting. I hit the books and looked up where the NS perpetrators are | |
| today, whether they have money or companies and whether they had been | |
| subject to legal action. Some were active in Bremen and Lower Saxony. I | |
| came across the “Stille Hilfe“. | |
| What was the “Stille Hilfe“? | |
| An ex-Naxi club for “prisoners of war and interned persons“ with | |
| headquarters in Rotenburg. For my research I received help from the region, | |
| from antifascists, and at that time from the Association of Persecutees of | |
| the Nazi Regime. That was led by Willy Hundertmark, a distinguished expert | |
| in Bremen. I sat for weeks in the archives. Little by little I was able to | |
| unearth more and more. I was even introduced to an SS man’s circles by | |
| impersonating a sympathiser, and then attended SS meetings. That was | |
| creepy. | |
| The research sounds elaborate. | |
| Today I don’t mind if I need years to cover a topic. It is only important | |
| that to me that I see it through. Through the Bremen TV journalist Egmont | |
| Koch, who commissioned me as a researcher, I came across Nazis old and new. | |
| Were you politically active? | |
| I was at occasional demonstrations, but never in a group or as a party. As | |
| I come from the countryside, from very conservative conditions, I had to | |
| develop slowly. I was never really supposed to do my A levels, let alone go | |
| to university. So I had to hold my ground and worked a lot in some | |
| factories during my studies. As a result I had little time for the | |
| traditional student life. | |
| Do you use your family history? | |
| No. Politics didn’t play a role in my parent’s house, and as a woman, as a | |
| girl, I was the first to get involved in politics. I was expected to | |
| complete an office apprenticeship first. So I actually studied to become an | |
| office administrator first. | |
| In 2015 you received the Paul Spiegel prize awarded by the Central Council | |
| of Jews in Germany. How many prizes had you won by then? | |
| I don’t like to say. I often think there are such great colleagues who have | |
| really done a lot, who get involved and who should also be awarded prizes. | |
| But the prize came after being discredited by the intelligence service in | |
| Lower Saxony. Their snooping hurt me so much that I could happily accept | |
| the prize. | |
| It was established that the surveillance by the intelligence service was | |
| wrong, and you received an apology. Are you still bothered at all? | |
| Absolutely. I was illegally monitored for six years, and even the police | |
| dutifully supplied information. The threat of exposure sometimes deterred | |
| informants, they felt threatened. There was solidarity in the editorial | |
| departments, but also restraint. | |
| To what extent? | |
| I am always the one who is annoyed about the subject and who disagrees with | |
| the authorities. If it was once classified as critical journalism, I was | |
| now seen as someone biased to the left. Perhaps I’m not a “normal“ | |
| journalist, and I do write for left-leaning media. But, due to the | |
| surveillance, I was placed on the extreme left of politics, I was made out | |
| to be a opponent of the state and democracy. That was damaging to my | |
| reputation. | |
| What has changed since you began your work? | |
| In the 1990s it was taken for granted that journalists find a topic and the | |
| research would be completely free and independent. Today, editorial staff | |
| are no longer able to deal with certain topics, especially if the | |
| authorities do not verify the findings. Meanwhile we rely too heavily on | |
| information provided by security authorities. | |
| Can you tell us an example of that? | |
| Definitely, lots of examples. In 2011, it happened to me while I was | |
| researching the importance of women in the Neo-Nazi scene for my book | |
| Mädelsache. The authorities said we were hysterical. Then Beate Zschäpe | |
| came along. | |
| Do you go to a Nazi event every weekend? | |
| There are times when I do, but I’m also a hedonistic person and I still | |
| need joy in my life – so I have to keep a lot of time for my private life. | |
| There was one time, however, when I couldn’t go to a wedding because I was | |
| at an SS meeting instead. I felt so bad about that. | |
| What was so important about that meeting? | |
| I had been preparing it for a long time. That was also the case with the | |
| Heimattreuen Deutschen Jugend (a Nazi youth group). I got the crucial call: | |
| “There’s a camp here, tents, something’s going on.“ Then I am unstoppab… | |
| The moment things get dangerous, it’s not like me to let other people go | |
| instead. | |
| The Heimattreue Deutschen Jugend, who trained and drilled children to be | |
| Neo-Nazis, was, along with other groups, banned after your investigation in | |
| 2009. Is that your greatest coup? | |
| Coup? Not really. It was definitely important to point out the organised | |
| way Neo-Nazis were bringing up children. I still see children at lots of | |
| Neo-Nazi festivals or at conspiratorial meetings – at one I saw a girl with | |
| a shirt which said “Aryan Child“ on it. My two colleagues and I are still | |
| looking into this topic. | |
| Do you believe that there will ever be less hatred? | |
| I believe we can achieve a lot by improving awareness. Even if a lot of | |
| people are currently resistant to the idea. The current trend is really | |
| quite shocking. | |
| 22 Jan 2018 | |
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