Excellent point. Even in governments which commingle secular and
religious interests - often traditions held-over from times long
past (England is prime example but there's others)- the secular
components of such are more-or-less equatable to the secularism
enjoyed in the USA and a few other countries which have nearly
the same setup. To me, I credit exactly what you said there:
"the distinction still exists to the non-stupid". Diplomacy is a
great example of a working secularism in action.