I didn't even know it was a hipster thing*tongue emoticon

  Raised Methodist. Grandmother was into Edgar Cayce, ancient
  astronauts, Star Trek + Dr Who. I didn't follow her on the
  Theosophical stuff, although I played around with some of the
  concepts in middle school. Lucid dreaming has proven helpful in
  having my dreams available to me when I wake up so I can
  psychoanalyze myself and figure figure out where it got all the
  pieces for the story from.

  [I find metaphor fascinating but I like figuring out the
  concrete behind the metaphors].

  Went Unitarian, Quaker, Vipasanna, even checked out Islam,
  Judaism and nearly Roman Catholic. Finally ended up Eastern
  Orthodox for 5 years. Had my fun with that, picked up a little
  Osho, and then went Mr. Science for 10 years 'til the New
  Atheist baggage started completely taking over the Science
  channel... and the projection of SCIENCE=THEORETICAL
  PHYSICS=SCIENCE was getting to be too religious for me.

  Been a fun journey so far. Cant' complain.   Ooh Pentecostal.
  Sorry*smile emoticon*I didn't meet my first pentecostal 'til I
  was in my early 20s. I probably have aspergers or some form of
  high functional autism as well. Nice to meet you*smile
  emoticonThey diagnosed me with cerebral palsy, went to great
  preschool just for that, ended up going to regular school. 1/2
  deaf/1/2 blind (premature) yet perfect pitch, and a natural
  affinity for computers and programming.

  I think it's because i could relate to a computer's input/output
  system, because I had input/output flaws, as well as some
  cognitive difficulties such as comprehending "inferred meaning".
  I can do it now, but it takes conscious "going through a list"
  effort. Same with social cues. Long lists of mental rules I run
  through VERY quickly, all 100% conscious but I can do it very
  quickly.

  I guess my experiences were all positive, never negative, so I
  had no need to really affirm nor deny anything. The God
  presented to me as Methodist was pretty basic, totally
  compatible with all things Science without contradiction,
  Bible-is-metaphorical, Jesus shows a good example of how to
  life, and if you're a good person and do good things, your life
  will be enriched. Not much about heaven, nothing about hell.*

  Basically, do good, be good 'cause it's good.   Yeah, the
  hippy-dippy woowoo is pretty much what I was raised with from
  every angle. My own mother says, "Religions is a bunch of man
  made rules", yet she goes because she believes in some kind of
  reincarnation/karmic heaven thing. Totally her own. Yet she goes
  to the Methodist church because the pastor is also in a band and
  plays rock music and is a comedian for his sermons. It's
  entertainment for her.

  [mind you, the rock-music church isn't really a methodist thing
  - it's just that particular pastor in that particular church. He
  also gets in trouble with the bishop a lot for some of the weird
  things he tries].

  So yeah, you nailed it James.   It _might_ but one must remember
  not to mistake the measuring tools for the thing being measured
  either. That's a gap we can't fully cross.   Going by what we've
  talked about here, I think it's likely that if I had been raised
  in a Pentecostal environment, I could very well have ended up
  embracing a similar system that you espouse. I don't think we're
  all that far off, just using different measuring sticks.

  Main difference I have is the certainty factor. There's a gap
  there I don't generally cross over for much of anything really.

  I see things in terms of systems rather than solids. I'm a part
  of them and the best I can do is try to comprehend them as best
  I can. Their truth-values can get stronger and weaker, but
  reaching 100% certainty? Rarely does.   Very similar here.
  Wrapped up in myself forever, but speech therapy in 3rd grade to
  correct a stutter was my first hint of being aware of my own
  mental processes and physical movements and how to control
  things very early on in the concept --> speaking phrase.

  Then around 11, a very strong empathy kicked in after going to
  biofeedback training to control "inconsolable" states I'd get
  into.

  11 years old, 1983, controlling a computer with my mind/body?
  [making tones go up and down]

  Yeah, it was really cool*smile emoticon*Led to life of computers
  and a strong sense of empathy. People replaced the biofeedback
  computer for me and learning to 'read them' utilizing whatever
  limited input I got from them was important. I found if I
  managed my emotional states, it helped them manage theirs as we
  communicate.

  So, it's my own kind of empathic I guess; and I've had to
  actually guard against being pulled in. Whether it is the
  emotional pull of an ASPCA commercial with sad music and sad
  dogs, or the emotional pull of certainty from a documentary, or
  the emotional pull of a good logical argument... I have to fight
  it. I "feel" myself agreeing and I can sense when my own beliefs
  are beginning to shift as they're shifting.

  There's no one to argue with because they're one way.

  And that's when I apply the brakes. It can be a single sentence,
  something that doesn't fit, or some "pull" in a direction that
  just "isn't right".*

  I'm still the observer. Like an alien plopped down and having to
  give ongoing reports as to the state of the world from my own
  perspective. I love it though and wouldn't change a thing about
  my past or my present.   I love the anthropology angle too. In
  my case it's more like being an alien of some kind. I don't see
  myself as better or worse than the rest of humanity though
  because I can't help but see myself in their worst parts as
  well. When I see Hitler I think, "yeah, given circumstances,
  could've been me." When I see shirt and tie businessman going to
  work each day, I think, "Could've been me". But yet, here I am
  and I'm good with it.

  I was fascinated by Autism since middle school. At the time
  Autism was boys spinning plates and rocking mostly. Saw a
  documentary in school, a TV special at home and I was like,
  "Yup. That's me there." First exposure to Kim Peek and I
  thought, "yup, turn up the oxygen in the incubator too much, and
  that would've been me". Worked with kids with cerebral palsy in
  my early 20s; muscles overcompensating so much that they seem to
  freeze, intelligence 100% intact. could've been me.

  So gratitude is always there with me. I could give 1000 reasons
  why I shouldn't exist. Yet, I exist. I look like everybody else.
  Act more or less like anybody else (I can fake it just fine) and
  I'm enjoying the ride so far. *I was raised in a house of women.
  Definite chaos. Sister a nutcase [she's more or less fine-ish
  now] mother always needing a rational voice to help her see
  things.*
  So, always in a service role. I subject my needs to the needs of
  noisier people but I'd hole myself up behind my video game, my
  piano, or computer and they'd let me be. I strove for peace as
  best I could in that environment; always my main goal, because I
  hated getting pulled into another people's emotional dramas.

  Yeah, I was very lucky. I think the only hatreds I developed and
  still have are:

  a) bullies/meangirls/emotional manipulators
  and
  b) the education system as it's constructed

  I feel for the bullies; they can't help being sucked into a
  system that wasn't their creation and yet, they're still
  responsible for their actions in my estimation.   *I'd forgive
  bullies before the age of 7. But around the age of 7-8, there's
  some kind of cognitive awareness shift; you realize COMPLETELY
  that your brain is not someone else's brain, and that people can
  be led/mislead easily. Seems to happen en masse in a big way
  around that time.

  So from that point on, I'd hold them responsible and capable of
  changing their behaviors through introspection and awareness. I
  think it's supposedly around the age of 25 isn't it? That seems
  to be the age that puberty is finally over with. [they can give
  it other names, but to me it's just a long-ass puberty]

  I remember when it happened to me. I suddenly saw myself
  entirely from someone else's point of view as if a stranger. I
  could do it before somewhat, but like the snap of a finger, I I
  saw a whole long series of consequences that just weren't there
  before that. I knew what I knew before, but after it was
  entirely different.

  Ken at 23 was different than Ken at 25. When I saw the reports a
  few years ago that showed brain scans and proclaimed the drastic
  shift that happens around 25, I wasn't surprised because I
  remembered it happening to me.

  I think the capacity is there, but it's a case of willful
  ignorance at that point and if you allow yourself to be sucked
  into an ideology, it can be hard to extract yourself from it,
  placing the map provided to you of reality on top of your own.

  I don't think it takes away the natural cognitive capacities
  that you develop naturally through the shifting of the location
  of the brain-parts through gravity or whatever.. but it can
  squish them for a while in their outward expressoin.   Oh that's
  awesome; I see ideologies as mazes as well.*

  The hardest thing to deconstuct though, is one's own
  indoctrinations at ANY given point of one's existence. I've been
  going through the process for about 2.5 years as an experiment.

  For example, you say, "Such and so is true." It's not even a
  question. It's just is what it is.

  But WHY is it what it is? Who was the first one to say it?

  For example, it was only a few months ago that I realized that a
  lot of my assumptions about "the way things are" that I've
  carried with me THROUGH trying on the vestments of different
  ideologies, stemmed from the Positive Psychology movement.

  I already knew about Carl Sagan, Joseph Campbell and George
  Carlin's influence on my assumptions about things, but didn't
  idenity the infliuence of the "I'm ok / your ok" / "scripts
  people play" pop psychology movements of the time on the
  assumptions I carry around with me, even to this day.

  It's an amazing experience though; deconst