I'm having a real discussion.
  My definition of a real discussion is embodied in everything I
  have been saying.
  You appear to have a different definition of "real discussion".

  We're working with two different definitions. I'm trying to help
  bring you up to my level, because I'm already having a real
  discussion, but you seem to be seeing something missing that
  prevents you from considering this a real discussion.

  So, I'm trying to help you.

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