Anything that's born seems to die.
  Or.
  Every effect seems to have a cause.
  Or
  Everything constructed gets deconstructed and reconstructed.
  (recyclable).

  All metaphors, but helpful.

  I like the recycle model. A Civilization isn't a Person unless
  we treat it as such. The trouble I see with things like "The
  West" is its being treated as if it is a Person.

  Each Civilization is being treated as if a person.. that's born,
  lives and died.

  But what is a civilization?

  That's not to say he's wrong. I'm not. But, by default, anything
  that wasn't wasn't, then is, will one day be no longer is.

  The concept that something could possibly be eternal/forever in
  nature, whether a Civilization or a Universe, is, while not
  impossible, less likely.

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