* [1]t Interesting - I suspect they will get a lot of backlash
      or criticism. I don't know enough about the details to say
      either way about the validity of his proof or not... but in
      principle, I agree, just for a different set of reasons.

      There's potential with embodied cognition (outside-in)
      methods, but with inside-out methods (like computational
      theory of mind), mathematics just can't handle it yet. Needs
      more wiggle room and less direct control for consciousness
      to be possible.
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      [5]Kenneth Udut A series of proper constraints might do it;
      and that may be mathematically modeled. but the system would
      have to run, imo, without interference by measurement, for
      the act of measuring would disturb particulars in the
      system.
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      [9]Kenneth Udut For example, the act of measuring would be
      an input into the system. But it can't be zeroed out simply,
      because of the complexity of the system. Rue Goldberg and
      all. I dunno. I could be entirely wrong but its similar to
      the problem in quantum mechanics, to me. They're bypassing
      some of the quantum mechanics stuff by repeating gently many
      many many times for measuring purposes and that seems to be
      working. That's what I mean by wiggle room.



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