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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: A real "kremvax"??
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In news.admin you write:

>I am on a number of maillists that include academics from the Soviet
>Union.  This morning I received the message below.  Either someone
>has no idea what happened on the net several years ago, or one hell
>of a sense of humor.

It is the latter. I include below a conversation that took place in
comp.mail.misc some time ago. In short: kremvax exists, and its namers
are quite aware of the 1984 joke. The conversation even includes the
original 1984 forgery. Read and enjoy !

>From comp.mail.misc Tue Jul 23 09:54:00 1991
--
Luc Rooijakkers                                 Internet: [email protected]
Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science     UUCP: uunet!cs.kun.nl!lwj
University of Nijmegen, the Netherlands         tel. +3180652271

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Path: sci.kun.nl!hp4nl!mcsun!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!bjork
From: [email protected] (Stephen Bjork)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: kremvax exists!
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 10 Jul 91 22:42:48 GMT
Sender: [email protected] (Stephen Bjork)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  UNIX System {408 241-9760 guest}
Lines: 25


Yes, folks, the long-thought-to-be-mythical kremvax really does exist...

bjork@netcom%3 nslookup
Default Server:  netcomsv.netcom.com
Address:  192.100.81.101

> set ty=any
> kremvax.hq.demos.su.
Server:  netcomsv.netcom.com
Address:  192.100.81.101

Non-authoritative answer:
kremvax.hq.demos.su     preference = 100, mail exchanger = fuug.fi
kremvax.hq.demos.su     preference = 120, mail exchanger = nac.no
kremvax.hq.demos.su     preference = 200, mail exchanger = mcsun.eu.net
Authoritative answers can be found from:
fuug.fi inet address = 192.26.119.1
nac.no  inet address = 129.240.2.40
mcsun.eu.net    inet address = 192.16.202.1
SUNIC.SUNET.SE  inet address = 192.36.125.2
SUNIC.SUNET.SE  inet address = 130.237.216.2
NS.UU.NET       inet address = 137.39.1.3
BROUILLY.INRIA.FR       inet address = 128.93.8.4
MUNNARI.OZ.AU   inet address = 128.250.1.21

>From comp.mail.misc Tue Jul 23 09:54:10 1991
Path: sci.kun.nl!hp4nl!mcsun!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!dimacs.rutgers.edu!rutgers!soleil!mlb.semi.harris.com!mintaka.mlb.semi.harris.com!john
From: [email protected] (John M. Blasik)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: kremvax exists!
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 11 Jul 91 07:54:23 GMT
References: <[email protected]>
Sender: [email protected]
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL
Lines: 19
Nntp-Posting-Host: mintaka.mlb.semi.harris.com

[email protected] (Stephen Bjork) writes:
>
>Yes, folks, the long-thought-to-be-mythical kremvax really does exist...
>
..
>Non-authoritative answer:
>kremvax.hq.demos.su     preference = 100, mail exchanger = fuug.fi
>kremvax.hq.demos.su     preference = 120, mail exchanger = nac.no
>kremvax.hq.demos.su     preference = 200, mail exchanger = mcsun.eu.net



yo 31> host gorbnext.kmart.demos.su
gorbnext.kmart.demos.su mail is handled by fuug.fi
gorbnext.kmart.demos.su mail is handled by nac.no
gorbnext.kmart.demos.su mail is handled by mcsun.eu.net

Something this fun must be evil.
-- john

>From comp.mail.misc Tue Jul 23 09:54:14 1991
Path: sci.kun.nl!cs.kun.nl!lwj
From: [email protected] (Luc Rooijakkers)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: kremvax exists!
Summary: No it doesn't
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 11 Jul 91 09:32:29 GMT
References: <[email protected]>
Sender: [email protected]
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Lines: 24

In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Stephen Bjork) writes:

>Yes, folks, the long-thought-to-be-mythical kremvax really does exist...

[writes nslookup command returning...]

>kremvax.hq.demos.su     preference = 100, mail exchanger = fuug.fi
>kremvax.hq.demos.su     preference = 120, mail exchanger = nac.no
>kremvax.hq.demos.su     preference = 200, mail exchanger = mcsun.eu.net

This is the second time I see this, and I think a clarification would be
in order. The su. zone has a *wildcard* MX record for demos (and a lot
of other domains, for that matter), so a query for any domain
xxx.demos.su will return the above MXes. So, while the above is true,
it is no evidence of kremvax' existence. Neither is

kremvax.sun.com     preference = 10, mail exchanger = Sun.COM.

:-)

--
Luc Rooijakkers                                 Internet: [email protected]
Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science     UUCP: uunet!cs.kun.nl!lwj
University of Nijmegen, the Netherlands         tel. +3180652271

>From comp.mail.misc Tue Jul 23 09:54:16 1991
Path: sci.kun.nl!hp4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!fuug!nntp.hut.fi!usenet
From: [email protected] (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: kremvax exists!
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 11 Jul 91 12:44:00 GMT
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
Sender: [email protected] (Usenet pseudouser id)
Reply-To: [email protected] (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Lines: 14
In-Reply-To: [email protected] (John M. Blasik)
Nntp-Posting-Host: sauna.cs.hut.fi

In article <[email protected]>, john@mintaka (John M. Blasik) writes:
>>Yes, folks, the long-thought-to-be-mythical kremvax really does exist...
>>
>....
>>Non-authoritative answer:
>>kremvax.hq.demos.su     preference = 100, mail exchanger = fuug.fi
>>kremvax.hq.demos.su     preference = 120, mail exchanger = nac.no
>>kremvax.hq.demos.su     preference = 200, mail exchanger = mcsun.eu.net

This doesn't prove anything since it's just a wildcard MX record, but
I hear the guys at demos really have a machine named 'kremvax'.  But
I don't think it's at Kreml, though Kreml can be seen from the window.

//Jyrki

>From comp.mail.misc Tue Jul 23 09:54:32 1991
Path: sci.kun.nl!hp4nl!mcsun!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!gatech!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!geomag!zateslo
From: [email protected] (Ted Zateslo)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: kremvax exists!
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 11 Jul 91 13:33:32 GMT
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
Sender: [email protected] (Usenet News File Owner)
Organization: Florida State University Geology Dept.
Lines: 28
Nntp-Posting-Host: geomag.gly.fsu.edu

Kremvax really does exist.  It's a Microvax II at DEMOS, the organization
that administers RELCOM, the Soviet UUCP network.  We get mail relayed
through it frequently.  Here is a sample header:

>From [email protected] Wed Jul  3 03:25:44 1991
Return-Path: <[email protected]>
Received: from fuug.fi by geomag.gly.fsu.edu with SMTP (5.65/31geomag)
       id AA04160; Wed, 3 Jul 91 03:25:38 -0400
Received: by fuug.fi id AA25918
 (5.65+/IDA-1.3.5 for [email protected]); Wed, 3 Jul 91 10:25:13 +0300
Received: by kremvax.hq.demos.su; Wed, 3 Jul 91 08:57:38 +0300
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Received: by relcom; Wed,  3 Jul 91 08:45:54 +0300 (GMT+3:00)
Received:  by samarin.public.su (UUPC/@ Release 2.01/03Feb91);
          Tue, 02 Jul 1991 14:18:46 MSD
To: [email protected], [email protected]
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
Organization: Sam, Krasnodar, USSR
~From: [email protected] (Samarin A M)
~Date: Tue,  2 Jul 91 14:18:45 +0200 (MSD)
~Subject: jul2 Letter No 39 from Krasnodar
Status: RO

Dmitry Volodin, the system administrator at DEMOS, has a nice sense
of humor -- and he knows his Usenet lore...

-Ted Zateslo, FSU Geology Department
[email protected]

>From comp.mail.misc Tue Jul 23 09:54:40 1991
Path: sci.kun.nl!hp4nl!mcsun!uunet!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!cunixf.cc.columbia.edu!fuat
From: [email protected] (Fuat C. Baran)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: kremvax exists!
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 11 Jul 91 13:50:12 GMT
References: <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected] (Fuat C. Baran)
Organization: Columbia University Center for Computing Activities
Lines: 30

In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Stephen Bjork) writes:
>
>Yes, folks, the long-thought-to-be-mythical kremvax really does exist...
>
>bjork@netcom%3 nslookup
>Default Server:  netcomsv.netcom.com
>Address:  192.100.81.101
>
>> set ty=any
>> kremvax.hq.demos.su.
>Server:  netcomsv.netcom.com
>Address:  192.100.81.101
>
>Non-authoritative answer:
>kremvax.hq.demos.su     preference = 100, mail exchanger = fuug.fi
>kremvax.hq.demos.su     preference = 120, mail exchanger = nac.no
>kremvax.hq.demos.su     preference = 200, mail exchanger = mcsun.eu.net
..

I doubt it.  You're getting a mail exchanger because of wildcard MX's.
Any hostname *.demos.su (try foobar.hq.demos.su, xyzzy.plugh.demos.su,
or anything else) is MX'ed to those three hosts.

                                               --Fuat


Internet: [email protected]          U.S. MAIL: Columbia University
 BITNET: fuat@cunixc                           Center for Computing Activities
   UUCP: ...!rutgers!columbia!cunixf!fuat      712 Watson Labs, 612 W115th St.
  Phone: (212) 854-5128  Fax: (212) 662-6442   New York, NY 10025

>From comp.mail.misc Tue Jul 23 09:54:48 1991
Path: sci.kun.nl!hp4nl!mcsun!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!mp.cs.niu.edu!rickert
From: [email protected] (Neil Rickert)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: kremvax exists!
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 11 Jul 91 14:06:44 GMT
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
Organization: Northern Illinois University
Lines: 28

>This doesn't prove anything since it's just a wildcard MX record, but

Please stop this silly bickering about whether this is only a wildcard MX,
or whether kremvax really exists.

Just to put matters to rest, here is a real live mail header.

-------------------------
       Received: from fuug.fi by mp.cs.niu.edu with SMTP id AA14884
         (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.4 for <[email protected]>); Tue, 25 Jun 1991 05:32:25 -0500
       Received: by fuug.fi id AA11167
         (5.65+/IDA-1.3.5 for [email protected]); Tue, 25 Jun 91 13:28:55 +0300
***---> Received: by kremvax.hq.demos.su; Tue, 25 Jun 91 13:11:23 +0300
       From: [email protected] (Dmitry V. Volodin)
       Date: Tue, 25 Jun 91 13:11:23 +0300
       Message-Id: <[email protected]>
       To: [email protected]
       Subject: Re: IDA Sendmail on Sun bounce mail not imm. deliverable
       Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
       References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
       Return-Receipt-To: [email protected]


--
<[email protected]>  |  METROPOLITAN LIFE!  The roach motel of insurance.
    Neil Rickert      |  Premiums check in, but benefits don't check out.
  Computer Science    |
Northern Illinois U.  |  ---> 7 months of harrassment and deception <---

>From comp.mail.misc Tue Jul 23 09:54:59 1991
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From: [email protected] (Marc Rouleau)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: kremvax exists!
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 11 Jul 91 14:26:51 GMT
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
Sender: [email protected]
Reply-To: [email protected]
Organization: UVa Academic Computing
Lines: 65

[email protected] (Luc Rooijakkers) writes:
>[email protected] (Stephen Bjork) writes:
>
>>kremvax.hq.demos.su     preference = 100, mail exchanger = fuug.fi
>
>[...] while the above is true, it is no evidence of kremvax' existence.

How 'bout this message I received a month ago?  Note the third Received:
header.  Looks authentic to me ...

********************************************************************
Received: from fuug.fi by fuggles.acc.Virginia.EDU id aa11708;
         11 Jun 91 6:26 EDT
Received: by fuug.fi id AA16031
 (5.65+/IDA-1.3.5 for [email protected]); Tue, 11 Jun 91
13:23:51 +0300
Received: by kremvax.hq.demos.su; Tue, 11 Jun 91 10:10:07 +0300
Received: by jumbo; Tue, 11 Jun 91 10:40:23 MSD
To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
   [email protected], [email protected],
   [email protected], [email protected],
   [email protected], [email protected],
[email protected],
   [email protected], [email protected],
   [email protected], [email protected],
   [email protected], [email protected],
   [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
   [email protected], [email protected],
[email protected],
   [email protected], [email protected],
   [email protected], [email protected],
[email protected],
   [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
   [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
   [email protected], [email protected],
[email protected],
   [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
   [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
Organization: Demos
~From: Pasha Hodakov <[email protected]>
~Date: Tue, 11 Jun 91 10:40:21 +0300 (MSD)
Return-Receipt-To: [email protected] (Pasha A. Hodakov)
~Subject: Help request
Status: OR

               Hello!
       Beforehand, I'm sorry for my letter and my bad english.
Now I try to make national music-server. I would be glad to get from
you some information about group(s) that you introduce. I'm interested
in
discography, Lyrics (if it possible), Reviews, History and especially
in
GIF's images of it. If you can't send me so much information please
write to
me how I can get it (through anonymous FTP, for instance). Notice, that
I havn't direct connection with Internet, because the first way is
more preferablely.
                       Thanks in advance.
--

 Pasha A. Hodakov                        DEMOS, Moscow, USSR
 INET:   [email protected]               Voice:  +7 095 2312129
                                         Fax:    +7 095 2335016
********************************************************************

>From comp.mail.misc Tue Jul 23 09:55:10 1991
Path: sci.kun.nl!hp4nl!mcsun!ukc!icdoc!syma!grahamt
From: [email protected] (Graham Thomas)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: kremvax exists!
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 12 Jul 91 13:41:23 GMT
References: <[email protected]>
Organization: SPRU, Univ. of Sussex, Brighton, UK
Lines: 25

>From article <[email protected]>, by [email protected] (Stephen Bjork):
>
> Yes, folks, the long-thought-to-be-mythical kremvax really does exist...
>
>> kremvax.hq.demos.su.
> Server:  netcomsv.netcom.com
> Address:  192.100.81.101

People from the DEMOS organisation have been writing to the net for a
while now (maybe a year, but I could be wrong).  Some of them - I
remember Vadim Antonov - were eager contributors to
alt.folklore.computer and I know that other people were telling them
about the kremvax April Fool of a few years ago.

My guess is that they thought it was such a good joke that they renamed
one of their computers to kremvax.

Sorry, I didn't keep Vadim's address, so unless someone posts it we
won't be able to ask him about it (or might there be a
postmaster@kremvax ID?)

Graham
--
Graham Thomas, SPRU, Mantell Building, Univ. of Sussex, Brighton, BN1 9RF, UK
Email: [email protected]   Phone: +44 273 678165  Fax: +44 273 685865

>From comp.mail.misc Tue Jul 23 09:55:50 1991
Path: sci.kun.nl!hp4nl!mcsun!unido!unidui!math.fu-berlin.de!ox.com!yale.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!ucsd!brian
From: [email protected] (Brian Kantor)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: kremvax exists!
Summary: a blast from the past
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 12 Jul 91 18:23:18 GMT
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
Organization: The Avant-Garde of the Now, Ltd.
Lines: 56



>From sdcsvax!dcdwest!ittvax!decvax!mcvax!moskvax!kremvax!chernenko Sun Apr  1 11:02:52 1984
Relay-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site sdccsu3.UUCP
Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 4/1/83 (SU840401); site kremvax.UUCP
Path: sdccsu3!sdcsvax!dcdwest!ittvax!decvax!mcvax!moskvax!kremvax!chernenko
~From: [email protected]
~Newsgroups: net.general,net.politics
~Subject: USSR on Usenet
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
~Date: Sun, 1-Apr-84 11:02:52 PST
Date-Received: Mon, 2-Apr-84 17:02:53 PST
Organization: MIIA, Moscow
~Lines: 41

<.....>

Well, today, 840401, this is at last the Socialist Union of Soviet
Republics joining the Usenet network and saying hallo to everybody.

One reason for us to join this network has been to have a means of
having an open discussion forum with the American and European people
and making clear to them our strong efforts towards attaining peaceful
coexistence between the people of the Soviet Union and those of the
United States and Europe.

We have been informed that on this network many people have given strong
anti-Russian opinions, but we believe they have been misguided by their
leaders, especially the American administration, who is seeking for war
and domination of the world.

By well informing those people from our side we hope to have a possibility
to make clear to them our intentions and ideas.

Some of those in the Western world, who believe in the truth of what we
say have made possible our entry on this network; to them we are very
grateful. We hereby invite you to freely give your comments and opinions.

Here are the data for our backbone site:

Name: moskvax
Organization: Moscow Institute for International Affairs
Contact: K. Chernenko
Phone: +7 095 840401
Postal-Address: Moscow, Soviet Union
Electronic-Address: mcvax!moskvax!kremvax!chernenko
News: mcvax kremvax kgbvax
Mail: mcvax kremvax kgbvax

And now, let's open a flask of Vodka and have a drink on our entry on
this network. So:

                       NA ZDAROVJE!

--
       K. Chernenko, Moscow, USSR
       ...{decvax,philabs}!mcvax!moskvax!kremvax!chernenko

>From comp.mail.misc Tue Jul 23 09:56:03 1991
Path: sci.kun.nl!hp4nl!mcsun!uunet!math.fu-berlin.de!mailgzrz!mailszrz!elsn4000
From: [email protected] (Frank Elsner)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: kremvax exists!
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 15 Jul 91 07:19:00 GMT
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
Sender: [email protected]
Organization: Technical University of Berlin
Lines: 37
Nntp-Posting-Host: mailszrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de

In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Graham Thomas) writes:
>Sorry, I didn't keep Vadim's address, so unless someone posts it we
>won't be able to ask him about it (or might there be a
>postmaster@kremvax ID?)

In reply to this mail

# Date: Fri, 7 Jun 91 11:24:15 MEZ
# From: [email protected] (Frank Elsner)
# To: [email protected]
# Subject: Test from Berlin
#
# This is a test for connectivity.
# Please send a short reply to:       [email protected]
#
# Frank Elsner (TUBerlin/ZRZ Postmaster)

I got the answer

# From [email protected]  Sat Jun  8 05:40:08 1991
# Received: by fuug.fi id AA26384
#   (5.65+/IDA-1.3.5 for [email protected]); Fri, 7 Jun 91 20:57:26 +0300
# Received: by kremvax.hq.demos.su; Fri, 7 Jun 91 19:31:03 +0300
# Received: by avg386; Fri, 7 Jun 91 19:30:58 MSD
# To: [email protected] (Frank Elsner)
# References: <[email protected]>
# Message-Id: <[email protected]>
# Organization: DEMOS, Moscow, USSR
# From: [email protected] (Vadim Antonov)
# Date: Fri,  7 Jun 91 19:30:57 +0300 (MSD)
# Subject: Re: Test From Berlin
#
# [ ... stuff deleted ... ]

Refer to the "To: " line of my mail and to the "From: " line of the reply.

Frank Elsner (TUBerlin/ZRZ, Postmaster)

>From comp.mail.misc Tue Jul 23 09:57:33 1991
Path: sci.kun.nl!hp4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!fuug!demos!avg
From: [email protected] (Vadim Antonov)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: kremvax exists!
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 16 Jul 91 19:46:35 GMT
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
Organization: DEMOS, Moscow, USSR
Lines: 38

>In article <[email protected]>, john@mintaka (John M. Blasik) writes:
>>>Yes, folks, the long-thought-to-be-mythical kremvax really does exist...

Yes, it does (and responds to characters I'm typing into :-).
It's a real uVAX ][ with 8Mb RAM, 2Gb of disk space, 21 2400 bps MNP-5
modems (try +7 095 2330062 if you don't believe me), 3 T2500s (one
for city phone exchange, one for ISKRA phone network, one serves the
leased line to CC of Kurchatov Institute of Atomic Energy) and one
Racal-Milgo Alpha I at the leased line to InterEVM; and a connection
to internal DEMOS LAN over thin Ethernet. The operating system at this
uVAX is DEMOS-32/V (merged together early DEMOS-32, BSD 4.3 and 4.3-reno
TCP/IP).

It's IP address is 192.91.186.8, though it's useless for you :-( and
it really runs .SU nameserver. I hope it'll be replaced with SunServer 4/330
called "kremlsun".

The history of Piet Beertema's joke is well known. We choosed the
"historical" name because this VAX was turned on at his new place at DEMOS
at the 1st April 1991 (hm, could you call it by other name if you were me?)
I think it deserves this name because it works as EUnet backbone for
Soviet Union - not a light load (sometimes la shows 12.0 and more).

In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:

>I don't think it's at Kreml, though Kreml can be seen from the window.

It's surely not in Kremlin but Kremlin is seen though the window :-)
Apparntly it the nearest to Kremlin VAX.

The name "kgbvax" is still reserved for Kruchkov's guys; though they
haven't asked us for it. We have a lot of strange places in the net
but seems they do not interest in networking.

Cheers (cannot send a flack of vodka over USENET :-( )!

Vadim Antonov
DEMOS, Moscow, USSR

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