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<none> Command: SEARCH (KEYWORD) % Searching on avoyager ............TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: monitoring 'top'
DATE:    24-Dec-04 01:04:03
HOST:    sverige

 PID USERNAME PRI NICE   SIZE   RES STATE      TIME   WCPU    CPU COMMAND

19659 mrbigjas  72    4  1216K 2536K RUN       28.3H 94.68% 94.68% mutt

something wrong here?


<ARPA.24-Dec-04>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Political Appointees
DATE:    02-Sep-05 11:57:43
HOST:    sverige

Political Appointees have only one talent: the ability to say many nice
things about those who don't deserve it.

.. and maybe also fundraising.

<BITCH.02-Sep-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Political Appointees
DATE:    02-Sep-05 11:57:43
HOST:    sverige

Political Appointees have only one talent: the ability to say many nice
things about those who don't deserve it.

.. and maybe also fundraising.

....TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Sanders' Recommendations
DATE:    14-May-05 17:11:51
HOST:    sverige

http://www.sandersresearch.com/Sanders/NewsManager/showGoodBooks.aspx?CategoryID=185

This one caught my eye: "Indispensable Enemies: The Politics of Misrule in
America"

"If one was to read one book in one's life on modern American politics,
this ought to be it. It is simply the most rational, readable and sensible
deconstruction of the logic of the American political system we have come
across. To understand how and why the two party system is in fact a one
party system you will find no finer source."



<BOOKS.14-May-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Sanders' Recommendations
DATE:    14-May-05 17:11:51
HOST:    sverige

http://www.sandersresearch.com/Sanders/NewsManager/showGoodBooks.aspx?CategoryID=185

This one caught my eye: "Indispensable Enemies: The Politics of Misrule in
America"

"If one was to read one book in one's life on modern American politics,
this ought to be it. It is simply the most rational, readable and sensible
deconstruction of the logic of the American political system we have come
across. To understand how and why the two party system is in fact a one
party system you will find no finer source."



..TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: show your pride
DATE:    12-Sep-05 12:06:06
HOST:    sverige

A plea to those Americans who still love, honor, and obey their misleader
in chief, ...

Please pronounce for the rest of us, those things which your government has
accomplished under Bush/Delay which you and fellow citizens of the country
and the world can be really proud of.

No fantasies about what he tells you he's doing, but real stuff which has
actually happened, to which you can look back and feel pride and
confidence.

Good luck, and thank you.

<BUSHITES.12-Sep-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: show your pride
DATE:    12-Sep-05 12:06:06
HOST:    sverige

A plea to those Americans who still love, honor, and obey their misleader
in chief, ...

Please pronounce for the rest of us, those things which your government has
accomplished under Bush/Delay which you and fellow citizens of the country
and the world can be really proud of.

No fantasies about what he tells you he's doing, but real stuff which has
actually happened, to which you can look back and feel pride and
confidence.

Good luck, and thank you.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: register your disgust
DATE:    12-Sep-05 12:10:49
HOST:    sverige

following on the "pride" board, it would be only fair to also accept
listings of those accomplishments of the Junior Bush regime for which you
do not feel pride and confidence; things which might even be shameful.

In both boards, anon posting has been enabled to encourage honest
contributions, not reckless non-contributing abuse. Thank you.


<BUSHITES.12-Sep-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: register your disgust
DATE:    12-Sep-05 12:10:49
HOST:    sverige

following on the "pride" board, it would be only fair to also accept
listings of those accomplishments of the Junior Bush regime for which you
do not feel pride and confidence; things which might even be shameful.

In both boards, anon posting has been enabled to encourage honest
contributions, not reckless non-contributing abuse. Thank you.


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: bias admission
DATE:    12-Sep-05 16:23:12
HOST:    sverige

Yes, David, I admit to having reached an opinion on this matter. I don't
make this board because I'm clueless about this topic; and I do not support
Clintons, either of them, or Kerry, or any other war-monger. I find the
lifelong record of George Junior to be one of miserable failure, in every
way, and amazingly, without exception.

I made this board to solicit contrary persepctives, those which are based
upon fact, not fantasy; and I don't really see anything wrong or misleading
in that.

Thanks for caring,

<BUSHITES.12-Sep-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: bias admission
DATE:    12-Sep-05 16:23:12
HOST:    sverige

Yes, David, I admit to having reached an opinion on this matter. I don't
make this board because I'm clueless about this topic; and I do not support
Clintons, either of them, or Kerry, or any other war-monger. I find the
lifelong record of George Junior to be one of miserable failure, in every
way, and amazingly, without exception.

I made this board to solicit contrary persepctives, those which are based
upon fact, not fantasy; and I don't really see anything wrong or misleading
in that.

Thanks for caring,

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: sacrifice
DATE:    03-Aug-05 23:15:49
HOST:    sverige

from the ANON board ...

>>a) You cannot know what people "believe"... only what they do. Flawed as
we huma ns are most of the time the two aren't the same, although you
should ideally (like in the Saints) infer one from the other.

As it happens, the "natural human" does indeed behave differently from what
they [profess to] belive; they're politically correct, nice and polite,
deceptive, deceitful, insincere, and the like. These are examples of ways
in which we are capable of professing that which we do not believe; or in
other vocabularies, believe what we do not will.

>>b) "the vast majority" - how many Christians have you asked about their
beliefs? I know this is fairly offhand, but "vast majority" is very misleading.

point conceeded. There is fortunately a substantial variety of Christian. I
am one; I have discoursed with hundreds; I have heard and read hundreds of
others.

>I guess the point you're trying to make is one about hypocrisy, and not
living what you preach.

I'll offer the modification that, yes, hypocrisy is what irritates me the
most. I don't care if somebody is of any religion, or even no religion; but
I detest hypocrisy, which I find abundant in the loudest self-proclaiming
Christians to whom are provided a broadcasted and distributed public voice
in America.

Back to the original question of "sacrifice", I refer also to the "died for
our sins" mantra in grokking the "excuse not to live by" statement from the
original thread; together with the hypocrisy of course :)

the Divine message of all religions, and of considerable academic research,
and common sense, is ...

Peace and Love,
--Avo

<CHRISTIANS.03-Aug-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: sacrifice
DATE:    03-Aug-05 23:15:49
HOST:    sverige

from the ANON board ...

>>a) You cannot know what people "believe"... only what they do. Flawed as
we huma ns are most of the time the two aren't the same, although you
should ideally (like in the Saints) infer one from the other.

As it happens, the "natural human" does indeed behave differently from what
they [profess to] belive; they're politically correct, nice and polite,
deceptive, deceitful, insincere, and the like. These are examples of ways
in which we are capable of professing that which we do not believe; or in
other vocabularies, believe what we do not will.

>>b) "the vast majority" - how many Christians have you asked about their
beliefs? I know this is fairly offhand, but "vast majority" is very misleading.

point conceeded. There is fortunately a substantial variety of Christian. I
am one; I have discoursed with hundreds; I have heard and read hundreds of
others.

>I guess the point you're trying to make is one about hypocrisy, and not
living what you preach.

I'll offer the modification that, yes, hypocrisy is what irritates me the
most. I don't care if somebody is of any religion, or even no religion; but
I detest hypocrisy, which I find abundant in the loudest self-proclaiming
Christians to whom are provided a broadcasted and distributed public voice
in America.

Back to the original question of "sacrifice", I refer also to the "died for
our sins" mantra in grokking the "excuse not to live by" statement from the
original thread; together with the hypocrisy of course :)

the Divine message of all religions, and of considerable academic research,
and common sense, is ...

Peace and Love,
--Avo

.....TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Humvee computer case
DATE:    11-Aug-05 00:09:34
HOST:    sverige

http://www.stormeren.dk/article_view.php?id=63

this article describes the process with 115 photos.

It's a 12MB document. Do I need to repeat or emphasize that? 12 MegaBytes

I recommend wget the page with images, and view locally. This requires
capturing the php generated html file, and globally replacing the paths to
the images, but you can do it.

One more thing. As replies hereto will testify, ... it's worth it.


<DIY.11-Aug-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Humvee computer case
DATE:    11-Aug-05 00:09:34
HOST:    sverige

http://www.stormeren.dk/article_view.php?id=63

this article describes the process with 115 photos.

It's a 12MB document. Do I need to repeat or emphasize that? 12 MegaBytes

I recommend wget the page with images, and view locally. This requires
capturing the php generated html file, and globally replacing the paths to
the images, but you can do it.

One more thing. As replies hereto will testify, ... it's worth it.


.......TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Unix Trail Legend
DATE:    09-Nov-05 18:03:32
HOST:    sverige

Frankly, I didn't know what else to call it; or where else to put it; but I
trust you'll enjoy it.

http://www.levenez.com/unix/history.html

(but can you print it?)

<GENERAL.09-Nov-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Unix Trail Legend
DATE:    09-Nov-05 18:03:32
HOST:    sverige

Frankly, I didn't know what else to call it; or where else to put it; but I
trust you'll enjoy it.

http://www.levenez.com/unix/history.html

(but can you print it?)

.........TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: infinite undelete
DATE:    01-May-05 16:33:26
HOST:    sverige

http/www.google-watch.org/gmail.html

Google admits that even deleted messages will remain on their system, and
may also be accessible internally at Google, for an indefinite period of
time.

After 180 days in the U.S., email messages lose their status as a protected
communication under the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, and become
just another database record. This means that a subpoena instead of a
warrant is all that's needed to force Google to produce a copy.


<GMAIL.01-May-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: infinite undelete
DATE:    01-May-05 16:33:26
HOST:    sverige

http/www.google-watch.org/gmail.html

Google admits that even deleted messages will remain on their system, and
may also be accessible internally at Google, for an indefinite period of
time.

After 180 days in the U.S., email messages lose their status as a protected
communication under the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, and become
just another database record. This means that a subpoena instead of a
warrant is all that's needed to force Google to produce a copy.


.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Groups and Yahoo
DATE:    11-Aug-05 15:12:15
HOST:    sverige

I'm not inclined to subscribe to groups.google, and so am asking those who
are, what they might see of a formal relationship between groups.google and
groups.yahoo.

Are they merged? borged? redundant? what? Are there hostilities?
competition? what?


<GOOGLE.11-Aug-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Groups and Yahoo
DATE:    11-Aug-05 15:12:15
HOST:    sverige

I'm not inclined to subscribe to groups.google, and so am asking those who
are, what they might see of a formal relationship between groups.google and
groups.yahoo.

Are they merged? borged? redundant? what? Are there hostilities?
competition? what?


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: personalized homepages
DATE:    21-May-05 01:13:11
HOST:    sverige

http://www.google.com/ig

mo'big'bro?

who'd'ya'trust?


<GOOGLE.21-May-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: personalized homepages
DATE:    21-May-05 01:13:11
HOST:    sverige

http://www.google.com/ig

mo'big'bro?

who'd'ya'trust?


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Google goes to Washington
DATE:    21-May-05 01:54:06
HOST:    sverige

"The Mountain View, Calif.-based search engine giant has hired Dan Senor as
vice president of global communications and strategy. Senor was the chief
spokesman for the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq and senior
adviser to U.S. Ambassador Paul Bremer."

I guess he needed a job.

http://www.bizjournals.com/industries/high_tech/e_commerce/2005/05/16/washington_story3.html?page=1

"Google employees have met with at least one area tech company to discuss
joint federal work, and a Google search of the company's offices (on
www.google.com) shows a location in Vienna, where a separate company hosts
and serves Google's Internet traffic."

<GOOGLE.21-May-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Google goes to Washington
DATE:    21-May-05 01:54:06
HOST:    sverige

"The Mountain View, Calif.-based search engine giant has hired Dan Senor as
vice president of global communications and strategy. Senor was the chief
spokesman for the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq and senior
adviser to U.S. Ambassador Paul Bremer."

I guess he needed a job.

http://www.bizjournals.com/industries/high_tech/e_commerce/2005/05/16/washington_story3.html?page=1

"Google employees have met with at least one area tech company to discuss
joint federal work, and a Google search of the company's offices (on
www.google.com) shows a location in Vienna, where a separate company hosts
and serves Google's Internet traffic."

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Google's Own Private Internet
DATE:    21-Sep-05 23:02:28
HOST:    sverige

quoting  http://mediachannel.org/blog/node/1106

Google is building a network so massive that several service provider
specialists believe it could end up with one of the world's largest core
transport networks, effectively building its own private Internet.
"This is huge," says Hunter Newby, chief strategy officer with carrier
connection specialist Telx, pointing to several recent indications of the
Google network's scale. "It's scary. They're not fooling around."

<GOOGLE.21-Sep-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Google's Own Private Internet
DATE:    21-Sep-05 23:02:28
HOST:    sverige

quoting  http://mediachannel.org/blog/node/1106

Google is building a network so massive that several service provider
specialists believe it could end up with one of the world's largest core
transport networks, effectively building its own private Internet.
"This is huge," says Hunter Newby, chief strategy officer with carrier
connection specialist Telx, pointing to several recent indications of the
Google network's scale. "It's scary. They're not fooling around."

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Web of Deceit
DATE:    25-Jul-05 14:35:04
HOST:    sverige

"companies such as Google are in a strategic position to become front men
for mainstream corporate Internet. This financially prosperous dot com,
which now rivals Time Warner in net worth, has advertising relations with
Verizon and partnerships with companies such as News Corp. There have also
been a number of documented instances in which Google has engaged in
questionable censorship practices. It is therefore no stretch to imagine
this company taking its place as gatekeeper of a government-friendly
mainstream corporate Internet."

http://mediachannel.org/blog/node/193

The lengthy article discusses the complicity of the FCC (of course) and
also of the U.S. Supreme Court, and mainstream corporate media empires.

<GOOGLE.25-Jul-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Web of Deceit
DATE:    25-Jul-05 14:35:04
HOST:    sverige

"companies such as Google are in a strategic position to become front men
for mainstream corporate Internet. This financially prosperous dot com,
which now rivals Time Warner in net worth, has advertising relations with
Verizon and partnerships with companies such as News Corp. There have also
been a number of documented instances in which Google has engaged in
questionable censorship practices. It is therefore no stretch to imagine
this company taking its place as gatekeeper of a government-friendly
mainstream corporate Internet."

http://mediachannel.org/blog/node/193

The lengthy article discusses the complicity of the FCC (of course) and
also of the U.S. Supreme Court, and mainstream corporate media empires.

...........TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: paging in helpdesk
DATE:    10-Nov-05 01:42:16
HOST:    sverige

for me, at this time, there is no paging in helpdesk; and there are a
couple items (tickets) there for which I cannot see the original question.

<HELPDESK.10-Nov-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: paging in helpdesk
DATE:    10-Nov-05 01:42:16
HOST:    sverige

for me, at this time, there is no paging in helpdesk; and there are a
couple items (tickets) there for which I cannot see the original question.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: good one
DATE:    11-Jun-05 14:31:25
HOST:    sverige

posted to helpdesk: paraphrasing, ...

Hi. I'm brand new here and don't know what I'm doing, but your (e.g. the
mail system) is broken and I'd like you to fix it for me please. Soon.


<HELPDESK.11-Jun-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: good one
DATE:    11-Jun-05 14:31:25
HOST:    sverige

posted to helpdesk: paraphrasing, ...

Hi. I'm brand new here and don't know what I'm doing, but your (e.g. the
mail system) is broken and I'd like you to fix it for me please. Soon.


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: email failing ?
DATE:    29-Jul-05 18:35:30
HOST:    sverige

I get a lot of these bounces after responding in helpdesk.

Deferred: Connection refused by ukato.freeshell


<HELPDESK.29-Jul-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: email failing ?
DATE:    29-Jul-05 18:35:30
HOST:    sverige

I get a lot of these bounces after responding in helpdesk.

Deferred: Connection refused by ukato.freeshell


...TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Shit - trac even broke MOTD
DATE:    29-Apr-05 12:32:58
HOST:    sverige

I though that after motd had been cleared, it signified that the trac
installation was completed. Then I discovered that irssi is missing and
that sshd isn't accepting connections as well as it used to.

<HUMOR.29-Apr-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Shit - trac even broke MOTD
DATE:    29-Apr-05 12:32:58
HOST:    sverige

I though that after motd had been cleared, it signified that the trac
installation was completed. Then I discovered that irssi is missing and
that sshd isn't accepting connections as well as it used to.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Foreign Media Reaction
DATE:    10-Dec-05 21:16:04
HOST:    sverige

on Iceland ... /tmp/Foreign_Media_Reaction.tar.gz

lots of content there for you to examine; grep; play textfile games with to
exercise the new array.

"Each business day, the U.S. Department of State's Office of Research
produces an Issue Focus of foreign media commentary on a major foreign
policy issue or related event. These reports provide a global round-up of
editorials and op-ed commentary from major newspapers, magazines and
broadcast media around the world. Following a one-page analysis of the
commentary, readers will find block quotes sorted by geographic region and
country. An Issue Focus normally covers one to three weeks of editorial
opinion."

This product was very recently discontinued. Here is the only archive of
which I am aware.

Thanks for supporting SDF.



<ICELAND.10-Dec-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Foreign Media Reaction
DATE:    10-Dec-05 21:16:04
HOST:    sverige

on Iceland ... /tmp/Foreign_Media_Reaction.tar.gz

lots of content there for you to examine; grep; play textfile games with to
exercise the new array.

"Each business day, the U.S. Department of State's Office of Research
produces an Issue Focus of foreign media commentary on a major foreign
policy issue or related event. These reports provide a global round-up of
editorials and op-ed commentary from major newspapers, magazines and
broadcast media around the world. Following a one-page analysis of the
commentary, readers will find block quotes sorted by geographic region and
country. An Issue Focus normally covers one to three weeks of editorial
opinion."

This product was very recently discontinued. Here is the only archive of
which I am aware.

Thanks for supporting SDF.



TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: escalation detected
DATE:    02-May-05 22:50:41
HOST:    sverige

panic ensuing

<IOCONNOR.02-May-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: escalation detected
DATE:    02-May-05 22:50:41
HOST:    sverige

panic ensuing

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: no anon for first poster
DATE:    06-May-05 11:31:22
HOST:    sverige

nope; but before you try it, reload :)

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: no anon for first poster
DATE:    06-May-05 11:31:22
HOST:    sverige

nope; but before you try it, reload :)

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: preparedness
DATE:    06-Sep-05 23:26:13
HOST:    sverige

Cuba does it better.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/storyAr.asp?NewsID=11924


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: preparedness
DATE:    06-Sep-05 23:26:13
HOST:    sverige

Cuba does it better.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/storyAr.asp?NewsID=11924


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: refugee radio
DATE:    07-Sep-05 14:56:06
HOST:    sverige

nice project!
http://www.prometheusradio.org/katrina.shtml

10,000 radios ready to distribute in the AstroDome. Story covered on 7
Sept. by Democracy Now!


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: refugee radio
DATE:    07-Sep-05 14:56:06
HOST:    sverige

nice project!
http://www.prometheusradio.org/katrina.shtml

10,000 radios ready to distribute in the AstroDome. Story covered on 7
Sept. by Democracy Now!


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: chilling outlook
DATE:    28-Aug-05 23:32:32
HOST:    sverige

WWUS74 KLIX 282139 NPWLIX URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE
NEW ORLEANS LA 413 PM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005 ...EXTREMELY DANGEROUS HURRICANE
KATRINA CONTINUES TO APPROACH THE
  MISSISSIPPI RIVER DELTA... ...DEVASTATING DAMAGE EXPECTED... MOST OF THE
AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS...PERHAPS LONGER. AT LEAST ONE HALF OF
WELL CONSTRUCTED HOMES WILL HAVE ROOF AND WALL FAILURE. ALL GABLED ROOFS
WILL FAIL...LEAVING THOSE HOMES SEVERELY DAMAGED OR DESTROYED. THE MAJORITY
OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS WILL BECOME NON FUNCTIONAL. PARTIAL TO COMPLETE
WALL AND ROOF FAILURE IS EXPECTED. ALL WOOD FRAMED LOW RISING APARTMENT
BUILDINGS WILL BE DESTROYED. CONCRETE BLOCK LOW RISE APARTMENTS WILL
SUSTAIN MAJOR DAMAGE...INCLUDING SOME WALL AND ROOF FAILURE. HIGH RISE
OFFICE AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL SWAY DANGEROUSLY...A FEW TO THE POINT
OF TOTAL COLLAPSE. ALL WINDOWS WILL BLOW OUT. AIRBORNE DEBRIS WILL BE
WIDESPREAD...AND MAY INCLUDE HEAVY ITEMS SUCH AS HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES AND
EVEN LIGHT VEHICLES. SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES AND LIGHT TRUCKS WILL BE MOVED.
THE BLOWN DEBRIS WILL CREATE ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTION. PERSONS...PETS...AND
LIVESTOCK EXPOSED TO THE WINDS WILL FACE CERTAIN DEATH IF STRUCK. POWER
OUTAGES WILL LAST FOR WEEKS...AS MOST POWER POLES WILL BE DOWN AND
TRANSFORMERS DESTROYED. WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN SUFFERING
INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS. THE VAST MAJORITY OF NATIVE TREES WILL BE
SNAPPED OR UPROOTED. ONLY THE HEARTIEST WILL REMAIN STANDING...BUT BE
TOTALLY DEFOLIATED. FEW CROPS WILL REMAIN. LIVESTOCK LEFT EXPOSED TO THE
WINDS WILL BE KILLED.

http://iwin.nws.noaa.gov/iwin/la/nonprecipwarning.html

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: chilling outlook
DATE:    28-Aug-05 23:32:32
HOST:    sverige

WWUS74 KLIX 282139 NPWLIX URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE
NEW ORLEANS LA 413 PM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005 ...EXTREMELY DANGEROUS HURRICANE
KATRINA CONTINUES TO APPROACH THE
  MISSISSIPPI RIVER DELTA... ...DEVASTATING DAMAGE EXPECTED... MOST OF THE
AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS...PERHAPS LONGER. AT LEAST ONE HALF OF
WELL CONSTRUCTED HOMES WILL HAVE ROOF AND WALL FAILURE. ALL GABLED ROOFS
WILL FAIL...LEAVING THOSE HOMES SEVERELY DAMAGED OR DESTROYED. THE MAJORITY
OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS WILL BECOME NON FUNCTIONAL. PARTIAL TO COMPLETE
WALL AND ROOF FAILURE IS EXPECTED. ALL WOOD FRAMED LOW RISING APARTMENT
BUILDINGS WILL BE DESTROYED. CONCRETE BLOCK LOW RISE APARTMENTS WILL
SUSTAIN MAJOR DAMAGE...INCLUDING SOME WALL AND ROOF FAILURE. HIGH RISE
OFFICE AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL SWAY DANGEROUSLY...A FEW TO THE POINT
OF TOTAL COLLAPSE. ALL WINDOWS WILL BLOW OUT. AIRBORNE DEBRIS WILL BE
WIDESPREAD...AND MAY INCLUDE HEAVY ITEMS SUCH AS HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES AND
EVEN LIGHT VEHICLES. SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES AND LIGHT TRUCKS WILL BE MOVED.
THE BLOWN DEBRIS WILL CREATE ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTION. PERSONS...PETS...AND
LIVESTOCK EXPOSED TO THE WINDS WILL FACE CERTAIN DEATH IF STRUCK. POWER
OUTAGES WILL LAST FOR WEEKS...AS MOST POWER POLES WILL BE DOWN AND
TRANSFORMERS DESTROYED. WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN SUFFERING
INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS. THE VAST MAJORITY OF NATIVE TREES WILL BE
SNAPPED OR UPROOTED. ONLY THE HEARTIEST WILL REMAIN STANDING...BUT BE
TOTALLY DEFOLIATED. FEW CROPS WILL REMAIN. LIVESTOCK LEFT EXPOSED TO THE
WINDS WILL BE KILLED.

http://iwin.nws.noaa.gov/iwin/la/nonprecipwarning.html

..........TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Ford Brothers
DATE:    20-Aug-05 03:20:58
HOST:    sverige

I just heard (and saw) these guys play some awesome blues style on the PBS
series "Sierra Center Stage". It was a very enjoyable experience for this
old Chicago blues afficiando familiar with Walter Horton, Billy Branch,
and Corky Siegel. Also a Garcia fan, the guitars were also quite good.

Apparently, the Ford brothers were playing notable music during or before
1972. I'm not at all sure when this particular recording was made; but it
sure is good.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Ford Brothers
DATE:    20-Aug-05 03:20:58
HOST:    sverige

I just heard (and saw) these guys play some awesome blues style on the PBS
series "Sierra Center Stage". It was a very enjoyable experience for this
old Chicago blues afficiando familiar with Walter Horton, Billy Branch,
and Corky Siegel. Also a Garcia fan, the guitars were also quite good.

Apparently, the Ford brothers were playing notable music during or before
1972. I'm not at all sure when this particular recording was made; but it
sure is good.

...TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Left Behind
DATE:    21-Jan-05 03:40:47
HOST:    sverige

Why don't the "Left Behind" believers see Bush as the anti-Christ?

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Left Behind
DATE:    21-Jan-05 03:40:47
HOST:    sverige

Why don't the "Left Behind" believers see Bush as the anti-Christ?

...TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Shards
DATE:    17-Jun-05 22:35:55
HOST:    sverige

Stephen, are Shards still available? If so, what funds should I attach to
my dues/donation payment in order to obtain one/some? Thanks.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Shards
DATE:    17-Jun-05 22:35:55
HOST:    sverige

Stephen, are Shards still available? If so, what funds should I attach to
my dues/donation payment in order to obtain one/some? Thanks.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: nslookup
DATE:    21-Jun-05 17:00:54
HOST:    sverige

observing that, FYI,
/usr/bin/nslookup is fully or mostly functional
/usr/pkg/bin/nslookup is barely if even functional

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: nslookup
DATE:    21-Jun-05 17:00:54
HOST:    sverige

observing that, FYI,
/usr/bin/nslookup is fully or mostly functional
/usr/pkg/bin/nslookup is barely if even functional

..TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Perl Module Time..Object
DATE:    30-Oct-05 04:25:57
HOST:    sverige

Stephen,

Would you like to install this module?
http://www.cpan.org/modules/by-module/Time/Time-Object-1.00.tar.gz
http://www.cpan.org/modules/by-module/Time/Time-Object-1.00.readme

Thanks for your consideration,

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Perl Module Time..Object
DATE:    30-Oct-05 04:25:57
HOST:    sverige

Stephen,

Would you like to install this module?
http://www.cpan.org/modules/by-module/Time/Time-Object-1.00.tar.gz
http://www.cpan.org/modules/by-module/Time/Time-Object-1.00.readme

Thanks for your consideration,

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: CPU cooler
DATE:    04-Jun-05 01:14:41
HOST:    sverige

Zalman fans have been recommended.
ref. http://www.sharkacorp.com/

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: CPU cooler
DATE:    04-Jun-05 01:14:41
HOST:    sverige

Zalman fans have been recommended.
ref. http://www.sharkacorp.com/

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: enclosure/materials
DATE:    21-May-05 12:52:34
HOST:    sverige

I've studied most of the "quiet pc" sites which explain nicely about larger
slower fans and other component choices; but before I go to the trouble of
testing different component replacements, I'd like to discover a material
which I could generally wrap around the mini tower case, allowing of course
for cooling and circulation, but something which would absorb the sounds,
the primary of which at this point is the psu exhaust fan.

Maybe a foam, a rubber, corkboard. Any experience here?

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: enclosure/materials
DATE:    21-May-05 12:52:34
HOST:    sverige

I've studied most of the "quiet pc" sites which explain nicely about larger
slower fans and other component choices; but before I go to the trouble of
testing different component replacements, I'd like to discover a material
which I could generally wrap around the mini tower case, allowing of course
for cooling and circulation, but something which would absorb the sounds,
the primary of which at this point is the psu exhaust fan.

Maybe a foam, a rubber, corkboard. Any experience here?

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: joke
DATE:    21-May-05 12:56:55
HOST:    sverige

cop pulls over the vehicle and tells the old man driver "man, your wife
fell out of the car about a mile back there."

Driver says "Thank God; I thought I'd gone deaf."


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: joke
DATE:    21-May-05 12:56:55
HOST:    sverige

cop pulls over the vehicle and tells the old man driver "man, your wife
fell out of the car about a mile back there."

Driver says "Thank God; I thought I'd gone deaf."


...TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Any experiences with these?
DATE:    17-May-05 21:42:13
HOST:    sverige

I'm starting to look into these for webhosting and other server uses. There
are lots of interesting tech issues to discover about underlying OS, the
base software, network configurations, hosted/client OS, management
options, and several other feature considerations.

If anybody has experiences or interests with these things, this board is
now a place where we can share with each other.

For the uninitiated, take a look at unixshell.com for starters.

BTW, I"m keeping my Meta-ARPA account with SDF no matter what I do with
other hosting or VPS or even other basic shell accounts. Having redundant
remote shells is very handy for debugging site and network troubles; and of
course the community is an increasingly comfortable experience.
You're all generally gOOd gOObers :)

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Any experiences with these?
DATE:    17-May-05 21:42:13
HOST:    sverige

I'm starting to look into these for webhosting and other server uses. There
are lots of interesting tech issues to discover about underlying OS, the
base software, network configurations, hosted/client OS, management
options, and several other feature considerations.

If anybody has experiences or interests with these things, this board is
now a place where we can share with each other.

For the uninitiated, take a look at unixshell.com for starters.

BTW, I"m keeping my Meta-ARPA account with SDF no matter what I do with
other hosting or VPS or even other basic shell accounts. Having redundant
remote shells is very handy for debugging site and network troubles; and of
course the community is an increasingly comfortable experience.
You're all generally gOOd gOObers :)

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: platforms
DATE:    28-May-05 02:24:35
HOST:    sverige

Virtuozzo (.com) is linux based (preferring redhat family)

I just came across http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/ which is used as
a platform for VPS hosting by http://www.linode.com/ and presumably others

though I find this statement: "User-Mode Linux gives you a virtual machine
that may have more hardware and software virtual resources than your
actual, physical computer." somewhat suspect :)

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: platforms
DATE:    28-May-05 02:24:35
HOST:    sverige

Virtuozzo (.com) is linux based (preferring redhat family)

I just came across http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/ which is used as
a platform for VPS hosting by http://www.linode.com/ and presumably others

though I find this statement: "User-Mode Linux gives you a virtual machine
that may have more hardware and software virtual resources than your
actual, physical computer." somewhat suspect :)

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: severe crisis in South Dakota
DATE:    01-Dec-05 16:24:47
HOST:    sverige

http://www.aberdeennews.com/mld/aberdeennews/news/13295739.htm

ice storm broke an estimated 2,000 electric power poles statewide this
weekend; Wednesday snow covered the state; Friday temps fall below zero F;
140,000 people without power or water.


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: severe crisis in South Dakota
DATE:    01-Dec-05 16:24:47
HOST:    sverige

http://www.aberdeennews.com/mld/aberdeennews/news/13295739.htm

ice storm broke an estimated 2,000 electric power poles statewide this
weekend; Wednesday snow covered the state; Friday temps fall below zero F;
140,000 people without power or water.


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: hurricanes and global warming
DATE:    01-Dec-05 22:11:48
HOST:    sverige

Recently the NWS gave a press event remarking on the 2005 hurricane season
and stating with confidence that 2006 would be little different. Again,
they made their assertion that global warming was not a factor, which seems
to be the dominant view of most ocean-atmosphere scientists. One reason
regularly made in connection with this disjunction is that the warm gulf
current is on its own cycle which is  minimally influenced by air temps.

However, in this press conference, they also said that part of the reason
the '05 season was so active was that strong westerlies did shear apart the
advancing storms; and it is *that* statement which may reconnect the global
warming with the hurricane season, because it is temperature differences
which create the winds.

Equatorial winds blow from east to west because the earth is rotating west
to east beneath (and with) the atmosphere. Other than that, winds blow in a
direction from high pressures toward low pressures, these being created by
differential heating of the equatorial and polar reegions. "Warm air rises"
in the equatorial regions creating relative low pressure at the surface;
while cold air in the polar regions descends into relative high pressure
areas on the surface and then blow toward the equator.

Coriolis effect turns both the equatorial easterlies and the polar
northerlies, while higher friction at the surface slows the surface winds
relative to the upper level winds, which has a direct impact on the
direction of those winds, ... and the whole lower atmosphere is stirred up
into a constantly morphing swirl for which the predominant influence is
...

temperature. specifically air temperature, which indeed is influenced by
the temperatures of the land and water surfaces beneath it.

Hopefully, Jeff or other more expert than I will correct me where I'm
wrong.

My point here would be that the "strength" of the hurricane season is a
result of many influences; and that any global warming would perhaps affect
the season more than it would affect any one of those individual
influences. Notably, global warming wouldn't impact the temperatures of the
gulf current or open ocean surface as much as it would impact the winds
which drive and destroy a tropical storm.


<WEATHER.01-Dec-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: hurricanes and global warming
DATE:    01-Dec-05 22:11:48
HOST:    sverige

Recently the NWS gave a press event remarking on the 2005 hurricane season
and stating with confidence that 2006 would be little different. Again,
they made their assertion that global warming was not a factor, which seems
to be the dominant view of most ocean-atmosphere scientists. One reason
regularly made in connection with this disjunction is that the warm gulf
current is on its own cycle which is  minimally influenced by air temps.

However, in this press conference, they also said that part of the reason
the '05 season was so active was that strong westerlies did shear apart the
advancing storms; and it is *that* statement which may reconnect the global
warming with the hurricane season, because it is temperature differences
which create the winds.

Equatorial winds blow from east to west because the earth is rotating west
to east beneath (and with) the atmosphere. Other than that, winds blow in a
direction from high pressures toward low pressures, these being created by
differential heating of the equatorial and polar reegions. "Warm air rises"
in the equatorial regions creating relative low pressure at the surface;
while cold air in the polar regions descends into relative high pressure
areas on the surface and then blow toward the equator.

Coriolis effect turns both the equatorial easterlies and the polar
northerlies, while higher friction at the surface slows the surface winds
relative to the upper level winds, which has a direct impact on the
direction of those winds, ... and the whole lower atmosphere is stirred up
into a constantly morphing swirl for which the predominant influence is
...

temperature. specifically air temperature, which indeed is influenced by
the temperatures of the land and water surfaces beneath it.

Hopefully, Jeff or other more expert than I will correct me where I'm
wrong.

My point here would be that the "strength" of the hurricane season is a
result of many influences; and that any global warming would perhaps affect
the season more than it would affect any one of those individual
influences. Notably, global warming wouldn't impact the temperatures of the
gulf current or open ocean surface as much as it would impact the winds
which drive and destroy a tropical storm.


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Ophelia along U.S. east coast
DATE:    12-Sep-05 12:28:19
HOST:    sverige

NWS notes in discussion of 5am Sep'12:
(note: CAPS are original formatting)

NONE OF THE RELIABLE DYNAMICAL MODELS HAVE BEEN IMMUNE FROM SIGNIFICANT
TRACK FORECAST SHIFTS DURING THE PAST DAY OR TWO IN THIS VERY DIFFICULT
SCENARIO.

some of the MODELS FORECAST OPHELIA TO STILL BE NOT FAR OFF THE COAST OF
THE CAROLINAS 4-5 DAYS FROM NOW.

not a major hurricane, but a pesky one.

<WEATHER.12-Sep-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Ophelia along U.S. east coast
DATE:    12-Sep-05 12:28:19
HOST:    sverige

NWS notes in discussion of 5am Sep'12:
(note: CAPS are original formatting)

NONE OF THE RELIABLE DYNAMICAL MODELS HAVE BEEN IMMUNE FROM SIGNIFICANT
TRACK FORECAST SHIFTS DURING THE PAST DAY OR TWO IN THIS VERY DIFFICULT
SCENARIO.

some of the MODELS FORECAST OPHELIA TO STILL BE NOT FAR OFF THE COAST OF
THE CAROLINAS 4-5 DAYS FROM NOW.

not a major hurricane, but a pesky one.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Wilma
DATE:    21-Oct-05 18:33:48
HOST:    sverige

a very very bad day, weekend, in Cozumel ...

http://avoyager.freeshell.org/Wilma/

with updates

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Wilma
DATE:    21-Oct-05 18:33:48
HOST:    sverige

a very very bad day, weekend, in Cozumel ...

http://avoyager.freeshell.org/Wilma/

with updates

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Rita is Cat 5
DATE:    21-Sep-05 23:07:21
HOST:    sverige

we got ourselves another doozy of a hurr'cane in the Gulf of Mexico. Unless
you don't monitor ANY news, you already knew that, I acknowledge; but in
our lifetimes, these babies used to be pretty rare.

As a cloud pattern they sure make for an impressive view on visible
satellite images.

It troubles me that so many folks attribute these well understood natural
processes, however rare, as "acts of God".



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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: Rita is Cat 5
DATE:    21-Sep-05 23:07:21
HOST:    sverige

we got ourselves another doozy of a hurr'cane in the Gulf of Mexico. Unless
you don't monitor ANY news, you already knew that, I acknowledge; but in
our lifetimes, these babies used to be pretty rare.

As a cloud pattern they sure make for an impressive view on visible
satellite images.

It troubles me that so many folks attribute these well understood natural
processes, however rare, as "acts of God".



........................TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Favorite Name for 'Dubya'?
DATE:    11-May-05 15:44:33
HOST:    sverige

"Junior"
"Dim Son"
"Misleader-in-Chief"
"worst president ever"

http://www.cafepress.com/thewhitehouse/322501

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Favorite Name for 'Dubya'?
DATE:    11-May-05 15:44:33
HOST:    sverige

"Junior"
"Dim Son"
"Misleader-in-Chief"
"worst president ever"

http://www.cafepress.com/thewhitehouse/322501

................TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Hangover Cures
DATE:    23-May-05 03:25:55
HOST:    sverige

Prevention is best; lots of food and water/gatoraide during the drinking
and before passing out. On wakeups, Alka-Seltzer is excellent, every 3
hours. It's even good before going to sleep and when you roll over.

The above works for me and beer; lots of beer. Strategies for wine and
tequilla may differ, but this should be a good starting point.

I've known very heavy boozer to live by Gatoraide; as much as possible,
before and after sleep.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Hangover Cures
DATE:    23-May-05 03:25:55
HOST:    sverige

Prevention is best; lots of food and water/gatoraide during the drinking
and before passing out. On wakeups, Alka-Seltzer is excellent, every 3
hours. It's even good before going to sleep and when you roll over.

The above works for me and beer; lots of beer. Strategies for wine and
tequilla may differ, but this should be a good starting point.

I've known very heavy boozer to live by Gatoraide; as much as possible,
before and after sleep.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Weening off bittorrent
DATE:    23-May-05 03:22:44
HOST:    sverige

retroactive taxation; welcome to the new amerikkka.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Weening off bittorrent
DATE:    23-May-05 03:22:44
HOST:    sverige

retroactive taxation; welcome to the new amerikkka.

.TACKER:  Anonymous (Anonymous)
SUBJECT: .. Uh-Oh
DATE:    23-Jul-05 07:11:10

are you avoyager? if not?

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TACKER:  Anonymous (Anonymous)
SUBJECT: .. Uh-Oh
DATE:    23-Jul-05 07:11:10

are you avoyager? if not?

.......TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Sick of being Sick and Tired ..
DATE:    29-Jun-05 12:26:46
HOST:    sverige

perhaps you'll appreciate listening to
http://avoyager.freeshell.org/Mutabaruka-Dis_Poem.mp3

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Sick of being Sick and Tired ..
DATE:    29-Jun-05 12:26:46
HOST:    sverige

perhaps you'll appreciate listening to
http://avoyager.freeshell.org/Mutabaruka-Dis_Poem.mp3

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Sick of being Sick and Tired ..
DATE:    30-Jun-05 14:22:31
HOST:    sverige

surprised that nobody took that, I've none-the-less added one more
important morsel.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Sick of being Sick and Tired ..
DATE:    30-Jun-05 14:22:31
HOST:    sverige

surprised that nobody took that, I've none-the-less added one more
important morsel.

.............TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. DNS A record setting
DATE:    09-May-05 12:37:36
HOST:    sverige

$ url ykf
ykf.freeshell.org - Twister Studio, the photo gallery of Samuel Yung
$ host ykf.freeshell.org
ykf.freeshell.org has address 192.94.73.7


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. DNS A record setting
DATE:    09-May-05 12:37:36
HOST:    sverige

$ url ykf
ykf.freeshell.org - Twister Studio, the photo gallery of Samuel Yung
$ host ykf.freeshell.org
ykf.freeshell.org has address 192.94.73.7


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. DNS A record setting
DATE:    09-May-05 16:29:56
HOST:    sverige

The tcp/ip packets will go to the IP address; but the browser request of
the web/html/apache server will be for the domain name. The web server
probably needs to be configured to associate the domain name with a fixed
location on the drive system; hence the vhost membership.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. DNS A record setting
DATE:    09-May-05 16:29:56
HOST:    sverige

The tcp/ip packets will go to the IP address; but the browser request of
the web/html/apache server will be for the domain name. The web server
probably needs to be configured to associate the domain name with a fixed
location on the drive system; hence the vhost membership.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. My password no longer works on sdf
DATE:    11-Jul-05 00:45:00
HOST:    sverige

sdf may bave been "repurposed", or it may have never accepted remote logins
in the prior place.

--??

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. My password no longer works on sdf
DATE:    11-Jul-05 00:45:00
HOST:    sverige

sdf may bave been "repurposed", or it may have never accepted remote logins
in the prior place.

--??

TACKER:  sheywood (Samuel W. Heywood)
SUBJECT: .. My password no longer works on sdf
DATE:    11-Jul-05 00:57:33
HOST:    ukato

To avoyager (Avo Yager):

Remote logins to sdf using SSH have always worked for me
during all the years I have been using sdf, except during
brief periods when the machine was temporarily down for
servicing or due to power outtages, etc.

I have never before up until just a few minutes ago experienced
anything like being presented with the prompt to enter my password,
and I enter it correctly, and it is rejected, and I am presented with
the password prompt two more times, and I enter it correctly again
each time, and then I get kicked off of the connection.


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TACKER:  sheywood (Samuel W. Heywood)
SUBJECT: .. My password no longer works on sdf
DATE:    11-Jul-05 00:57:33
HOST:    ukato

To avoyager (Avo Yager):

Remote logins to sdf using SSH have always worked for me
during all the years I have been using sdf, except during
brief periods when the machine was temporarily down for
servicing or due to power outtages, etc.

I have never before up until just a few minutes ago experienced
anything like being presented with the prompt to enter my password,
and I enter it correctly, and it is rejected, and I am presented with
the password prompt two more times, and I enter it correctly again
each time, and then I get kicked off of the connection.


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. My password no longer works on sdf
DATE:    11-Jul-05 01:27:47
HOST:    sverige

I confirm; access to sdf.lonestar.org works; sdf.freeshell.org does not.


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. My password no longer works on sdf
DATE:    11-Jul-05 01:27:47
HOST:    sverige

I confirm; access to sdf.lonestar.org works; sdf.freeshell.org does not.


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. My password no longer works on sdf
DATE:    11-Jul-05 02:18:28
HOST:    sverige

not listed anywhere that I've seen; who said that it was?

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. My password no longer works on sdf
DATE:    11-Jul-05 02:18:28
HOST:    sverige

not listed anywhere that I've seen; who said that it was?

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. My password no longer works on sdf
DATE:    11-Jul-05 02:35:50
HOST:    sverige

Don't panic; I'm confident that the light will shine soon enough.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. My password no longer works on sdf
DATE:    11-Jul-05 02:35:50
HOST:    sverige

Don't panic; I'm confident that the light will shine soon enough.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. My password no longer works on sdf
DATE:    11-Jul-05 03:00:59
HOST:    sverige

You're welcomed, encouraged, to <D>epost this bulletin once the issue has
been resolved; (since|if) it has no archival value for current or future
generations of SDFers.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. My password no longer works on sdf
DATE:    11-Jul-05 03:00:59
HOST:    sverige

You're welcomed, encouraged, to <D>epost this bulletin once the issue has
been resolved; (since|if) it has no archival value for current or future
generations of SDFers.

..TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. MetaArpa, card carrying members?
DATE:    21-Jan-05 03:47:34
HOST:    sverige

>I bet I have one of the lowest ICQ numbers on SDF: 433XXX.

Bet [almost] lost to [one of] my 246xxx.

Am I the only REI Co-op member?

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. MetaArpa, card carrying members?
DATE:    21-Jan-05 03:47:34
HOST:    sverige

>I bet I have one of the lowest ICQ numbers on SDF: 433XXX.

Bet [almost] lost to [one of] my 246xxx.

Am I the only REI Co-op member?

.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Spam Issues - need a way to control
DATE:    22-Jul-05 13:01:56
HOST:    sverige

FAQ Email 07 describes the smj/SDF nospam utility.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Spam Issues - need a way to control
DATE:    22-Jul-05 13:01:56
HOST:    sverige

FAQ Email 07 describes the smj/SDF nospam utility.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Spam Issues - need a way to control
DATE:    22-Jul-05 15:47:11
HOST:    sverige

You can create very powerful filters by using procmail; though don't expect
it to be easy; there should be some very useful sites linked from a search
on procmail spam.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Spam Issues - need a way to control
DATE:    22-Jul-05 15:47:11
HOST:    sverige

You can create very powerful filters by using procmail; though don't expect
it to be easy; there should be some very useful sites linked from a search
on procmail spam.

..TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. monkey has lost arpa privs ..
DATE:    27-Jun-05 16:30:31
HOST:    sverige

<ahwrite> who put the monkey in the middle?

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. monkey has lost arpa privs ..
DATE:    27-Jun-05 16:30:31
HOST:    sverige

<ahwrite> who put the monkey in the middle?

.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. 'trac'
DATE:    29-Apr-05 21:35:38
HOST:    sverige

Sheesh, data. You can't find $36 a year, blown on something else, which you
could divert to SDF? I conclude .... ^H^H^H nothing positive; and am, um,
disappointed.


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. 'trac'
DATE:    29-Apr-05 21:35:38
HOST:    sverige

Sheesh, data. You can't find $36 a year, blown on something else, which you
could divert to SDF? I conclude .... ^H^H^H nothing positive; and am, um,
disappointed.


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. 'trac'
DATE:    30-Apr-05 02:26:46
HOST:    sverige

>I think barnacle moved to california and got a job!

karma?


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. 'trac'
DATE:    30-Apr-05 02:26:46
HOST:    sverige

>I think barnacle moved to california and got a job!

karma?


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. dnetc?
DATE:    31-Dec-04 01:34:50
HOST:    sverige

2 comments ...

1. "So why don't you guys get on 'twkm's case for running 'irssi' 24/7?"

I've been noticing that activity for days/weeks now. It may be 24/7, but I
don't see it hogging CPU. It may be persistent, but it appears to be low
impact. I do wonder what it is however ;-}

2. If anybody here doesn't clearly understand what a distributed network
is, then you should look it up. Client applications of distributed networks
have no business running on SDF or any other public shared servers.

--Cheers/2!

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. dnetc?
DATE:    31-Dec-04 01:34:50
HOST:    sverige

2 comments ...

1. "So why don't you guys get on 'twkm's case for running 'irssi' 24/7?"

I've been noticing that activity for days/weeks now. It may be 24/7, but I
don't see it hogging CPU. It may be persistent, but it appears to be low
impact. I do wonder what it is however ;-}

2. If anybody here doesn't clearly understand what a distributed network
is, then you should look it up. Client applications of distributed networks
have no business running on SDF or any other public shared servers.

--Cheers/2!

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. missing bulletins
DATE:    15-Jan-05 17:52:42
HOST:    sverige

That would explain it I guess. And smj may have deposted the search thread
after he fixed it.

OK.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. missing bulletins
DATE:    15-Jan-05 17:52:42
HOST:    sverige

That would explain it I guess. And smj may have deposted the search thread
after he fixed it.

OK.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Did you BBS?
DATE:    11-May-05 00:50:20
HOST:    sverige

I ran TBBS software in DesqView and later OS/2, as FidoNet 1:115/678 for
modem speeds until 14.4 baud at which point I couldn't get the
latest TBBS/modem combo to run in an OS/2 sponsored DOS session. I still
think about trying again however. At the time, I also acquired an
Internet connection which was sufficiently distracting to not hurt
myself trying to resolve the modem issues.

TBBS was developed by Phil Becker whose background included programming for
space satellites and their episodic reprogramming by remote radio link. To
watch it handle 16 concurrent phone line sessions on a 386-16 was pretty
special. SeaDog mailer; Sirius echomail handler.

I was connected at the time with Hewlett Packard Hand Held user groups,
HPHH and later PPC. It was an international group which travelled a lot and
had international and regional assemblys as well as regular local meetings;
it was a very social environment and a superb bunch of tech geeks indeed.
HP engineers were active in the group; we hacked the hardware and software
on those things, many of which are still running today.

I learned computer programming on HP series handhelds; RPN on the 20 and 40
series was my favorite; also BASIC and FORTH on the 71-B; and "assembly" on
them all. What's notable today is the attention then paid to efficiency of
space and cpu cycle, something which MicroSoft programmers never, never,
ever, understood, at all.

It was a different era with different tools, constraints, and
opportunities; one in which you could find integrity and other virtues; and
respect, from and for, people, groups and their accomplishments. That model
is not disappeared, thanks to SDF, the BBS docu, other projects and the
individuals who keep these things alive.

But much of it, like hitch-hiking, isn't likely to become part of current
activity of today's generations; only, we can hope, part of their
consciousness.

The DOS based HP-200lx still connects to the internet and runs a Kermit
session; something it was doing long before other "palm" and "handheld"
marketry was even envisioned. HP-110 blazed the "laptop" path for others to
follow.

It was the era between punch-cards and mice.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Did you BBS?
DATE:    11-May-05 00:50:20
HOST:    sverige

I ran TBBS software in DesqView and later OS/2, as FidoNet 1:115/678 for
modem speeds until 14.4 baud at which point I couldn't get the
latest TBBS/modem combo to run in an OS/2 sponsored DOS session. I still
think about trying again however. At the time, I also acquired an
Internet connection which was sufficiently distracting to not hurt
myself trying to resolve the modem issues.

TBBS was developed by Phil Becker whose background included programming for
space satellites and their episodic reprogramming by remote radio link. To
watch it handle 16 concurrent phone line sessions on a 386-16 was pretty
special. SeaDog mailer; Sirius echomail handler.

I was connected at the time with Hewlett Packard Hand Held user groups,
HPHH and later PPC. It was an international group which travelled a lot and
had international and regional assemblys as well as regular local meetings;
it was a very social environment and a superb bunch of tech geeks indeed.
HP engineers were active in the group; we hacked the hardware and software
on those things, many of which are still running today.

I learned computer programming on HP series handhelds; RPN on the 20 and 40
series was my favorite; also BASIC and FORTH on the 71-B; and "assembly" on
them all. What's notable today is the attention then paid to efficiency of
space and cpu cycle, something which MicroSoft programmers never, never,
ever, understood, at all.

It was a different era with different tools, constraints, and
opportunities; one in which you could find integrity and other virtues; and
respect, from and for, people, groups and their accomplishments. That model
is not disappeared, thanks to SDF, the BBS docu, other projects and the
individuals who keep these things alive.

But much of it, like hitch-hiking, isn't likely to become part of current
activity of today's generations; only, we can hope, part of their
consciousness.

The DOS based HP-200lx still connects to the internet and runs a Kermit
session; something it was doing long before other "palm" and "handheld"
marketry was even envisioned. HP-110 blazed the "laptop" path for others to
follow.

It was the era between punch-cards and mice.

.......TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Still ~3 weeks 'til Thanksgiving and...
DATE:    05-Nov-05 16:07:16
HOST:    sverige

"shop till you drop"

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Still ~3 weeks 'til Thanksgiving and...
DATE:    05-Nov-05 16:07:16
HOST:    sverige

"shop till you drop"

.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Fucking terrorists
DATE:    07-Jul-05 22:56:47
HOST:    sverige

It's not too difficult to imagine the response from (willfully and
stupidly) provoking terrorists; that's why there's Politics of Fear and
Dept. of Homeland Security.

At the same time, any nation or non-nation state which uses depleted
uranium, cluster bombs, and friggin napalm on a foreign non-combatant
population, can hardly be considered "civilized".

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Fucking terrorists
DATE:    07-Jul-05 22:56:47
HOST:    sverige

It's not too difficult to imagine the response from (willfully and
stupidly) provoking terrorists; that's why there's Politics of Fear and
Dept. of Homeland Security.

At the same time, any nation or non-nation state which uses depleted
uranium, cluster bombs, and friggin napalm on a foreign non-combatant
population, can hardly be considered "civilized".

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Fucking terrorists
DATE:    08-Jul-05 14:06:50
HOST:    sverige

Hi christ. I'm not sure why you bring up "what happened in let's say
baghdad a few years ago". I was referring to what has been happening
throughout Iraq each and every day since then; and in Afghanistan before
that. You apparently have little good information about how many innocent
civilians have been murdered in those countrys by the Bush-Rumsfeld regime.

By any accounting it's well over 20,000 civilians by now; needlessly, and
stupidly, slaughtered by the Bushite ideology, which sounds no different
from the Islamist ideology. Go figure. Then watch "The Power of Nightmares"

references:
http://cursor.org/stories/archivistan.htm
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/






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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Fucking terrorists
DATE:    08-Jul-05 14:06:50
HOST:    sverige

Hi christ. I'm not sure why you bring up "what happened in let's say
baghdad a few years ago". I was referring to what has been happening
throughout Iraq each and every day since then; and in Afghanistan before
that. You apparently have little good information about how many innocent
civilians have been murdered in those countrys by the Bush-Rumsfeld regime.

By any accounting it's well over 20,000 civilians by now; needlessly, and
stupidly, slaughtered by the Bushite ideology, which sounds no different
from the Islamist ideology. Go figure. Then watch "The Power of Nightmares"

references:
http://cursor.org/stories/archivistan.htm
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/






TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Fucking terrorists
DATE:    11-Jul-05 13:11:04
HOST:    sverige

Thanks, Otto, for the clarification. I certainly agree that there are a lot
of heads in the sand on this matter; but then the war mongers seem to think
that it is MY head in the sand, not theirs.

Didn't there used to be a single objective lens which we could all use
together?

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Fucking terrorists
DATE:    11-Jul-05 13:11:04
HOST:    sverige

Thanks, Otto, for the clarification. I certainly agree that there are a lot
of heads in the sand on this matter; but then the war mongers seem to think
that it is MY head in the sand, not theirs.

Didn't there used to be a single objective lens which we could all use
together?

...TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. a root canal ..
DATE:    13-Jul-05 12:47:29
HOST:    sverige

Maybe you attacked it too early? Mine have all been so painless as to
hardly need even basic novacaine; because everything was sufficiently dead.
Why tear out a living root?

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. a root canal ..
DATE:    13-Jul-05 12:47:29
HOST:    sverige

Maybe you attacked it too early? Mine have all been so painless as to
hardly need even basic novacaine; because everything was sufficiently dead.
Why tear out a living root?

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. los angeles
DATE:    13-Sep-05 14:05:23
HOST:    sverige

the terrorists control the chimp

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. los angeles
DATE:    13-Sep-05 14:05:23
HOST:    sverige

the terrorists control the chimp

..TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. fucking americans
DATE:    18-Aug-05 23:52:35
HOST:    sverige

heya hobbsc,

Rather than scream at Americans, I recommend changing your TV viewing.
Start by never, ever turning on any of the broadcast or cable "news"; none
of them, ever, except for maybe BBC if you're jonesin. Don't visit their
websites.

There's better places for better (more accurate, more relevant) news; and
frankly, nobody needs to know *anything* immediately; it can all wait until
you're ready for it, or it comes across on the radio.

for starters.
since you asked :)

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. fucking americans
DATE:    18-Aug-05 23:52:35
HOST:    sverige

heya hobbsc,

Rather than scream at Americans, I recommend changing your TV viewing.
Start by never, ever turning on any of the broadcast or cable "news"; none
of them, ever, except for maybe BBC if you're jonesin. Don't visit their
websites.

There's better places for better (more accurate, more relevant) news; and
frankly, nobody needs to know *anything* immediately; it can all wait until
you're ready for it, or it comes across on the radio.

for starters.
since you asked :)

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. turn signals
DATE:    08-Sep-05 12:05:15
HOST:    sverige

I only use my signals if there is somebody to blink at; and I only stop
when there is something to stop for.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. turn signals
DATE:    08-Sep-05 12:05:15
HOST:    sverige

I only use my signals if there is somebody to blink at; and I only stop
when there is something to stop for.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. turn signals
DATE:    08-Sep-05 15:06:25
HOST:    sverige

A good driver always knows where everybody is around them, and is always on
the defensive against hitting or being hit, no matter what they're driving,
pushing, pulling, walking, or whatever.

If you "WALK" because the sign tells you to, or proceed because the light
turns green, then you're more stupid than a fool. You walk when you
determine that it is safe to do so; there is no other valid criteria.

If a car *might* turn suddenly, or stop suddenly, or start suddenly, you'd
better anticipate it; no matter what their silly blinkers might be doing.

--basis life skills 102

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. turn signals
DATE:    08-Sep-05 15:06:25
HOST:    sverige

A good driver always knows where everybody is around them, and is always on
the defensive against hitting or being hit, no matter what they're driving,
pushing, pulling, walking, or whatever.

If you "WALK" because the sign tells you to, or proceed because the light
turns green, then you're more stupid than a fool. You walk when you
determine that it is safe to do so; there is no other valid criteria.

If a car *might* turn suddenly, or stop suddenly, or start suddenly, you'd
better anticipate it; no matter what their silly blinkers might be doing.

--basis life skills 102

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. turn signals
DATE:    10-Sep-05 01:43:54
HOST:    sverige

sheywood, "If use my turn signals to let the people know that I intend to
change over to their lane and get in front of them they will quickly speed
up and not let me in."

I'm sympathetic with this situation, and experienced it today, inspiring
this post.

Here's the way I handle it. While looking for the opportunity to change
lanes, or to turn into a street from bottom of T-intersection, I don't
"blink"; .... but as soon as I commit to the action, I turn on the signal,
so that all involved are more likely to WAKE UP (usually from their cell
phones) and go into a more defensive attention.

If you change lanes without blinking, you seriously deprive them their
opportunity to be relieved of any ambiguities they may have about your
*intentions*.

In short, signalling is not a *request*; I treat it as a statement of
impending fact; and when I see one alongside me, I anticipate that driver
does not see me.

Please drive kindly, as well as defensively, and HANG UP THE PHONE!

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. turn signals
DATE:    10-Sep-05 01:43:54
HOST:    sverige

sheywood, "If use my turn signals to let the people know that I intend to
change over to their lane and get in front of them they will quickly speed
up and not let me in."

I'm sympathetic with this situation, and experienced it today, inspiring
this post.

Here's the way I handle it. While looking for the opportunity to change
lanes, or to turn into a street from bottom of T-intersection, I don't
"blink"; .... but as soon as I commit to the action, I turn on the signal,
so that all involved are more likely to WAKE UP (usually from their cell
phones) and go into a more defensive attention.

If you change lanes without blinking, you seriously deprive them their
opportunity to be relieved of any ambiguities they may have about your
*intentions*.

In short, signalling is not a *request*; I treat it as a statement of
impending fact; and when I see one alongside me, I anticipate that driver
does not see me.

Please drive kindly, as well as defensively, and HANG UP THE PHONE!

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Restrict
DATE:    22-Dec-04 13:43:43
HOST:    sverige

It was unconstitutional for Congress to pass the War Powers Act
transferring the responsibility for declaring war (Iraq) from Congress to
the Executive.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Restrict
DATE:    22-Dec-04 13:43:43
HOST:    sverige

It was unconstitutional for Congress to pass the War Powers Act
transferring the responsibility for declaring war (Iraq) from Congress to
the Executive.

.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Shut the ANNOUNCE ANONYMOUS ARPA BBS BICYCLING BITCH BSD CH
DATE:    21-Aug-05 02:06:16
HOST:    sverige

piss on 'em

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Shut the ANNOUNCE ANONYMOUS ARPA BBS BICYCLING BITCH BSD CH
DATE:    21-Aug-05 02:06:16
HOST:    sverige

piss on 'em

.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. People ignorant of computer security
DATE:    21-May-05 12:41:56
HOST:    sverige

Cable/DSL modems might, otherwise a cheap switch, have built-in router to
provide NAT, as the second important solution for most of these folks.
Dumping IE/Outlook being the first.

The InJoy Dialer provides excellent protection (incl. NAT) for pots modem
users. http://fx.dk/injoy/


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. People ignorant of computer security
DATE:    21-May-05 12:41:56
HOST:    sverige

Cable/DSL modems might, otherwise a cheap switch, have built-in router to
provide NAT, as the second important solution for most of these folks.
Dumping IE/Outlook being the first.

The InJoy Dialer provides excellent protection (incl. NAT) for pots modem
users. http://fx.dk/injoy/


.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. fucking terrorist part ii
DATE:    27-Jul-05 11:57:11
HOST:    sverige

"I'm going to be on my knees, hands on head, mouth tightly shut."

That posture didn't work out too good for Rodney King.


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. fucking terrorist part ii
DATE:    27-Jul-05 11:57:11
HOST:    sverige

"I'm going to be on my knees, hands on head, mouth tightly shut."

That posture didn't work out too good for Rodney King.


...TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Subway on the O'Hare Oasis
DATE:    29-Jul-05 18:43:02
HOST:    sverige

"next time" we serve you spoiled meat????

That's not very encouraging.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Subway on the O'Hare Oasis
DATE:    29-Jul-05 18:43:02
HOST:    sverige

"next time" we serve you spoiled meat????

That's not very encouraging.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. fucking americans (part ii)
DATE:    31-Aug-05 15:51:29
HOST:    sverige

cor, when I say that the devastation of the Gulf coast, and impending loss
of the City of New Orleans, is "worse" than the WTC attacks, I refer to the
suffering of humanity, and the extent of personal loss; not to foreign
policy, global politics, the malicious ideologies of wackos, or any other
precursor of the destruction experienced in NYC 4 years ago.

I agree that the tsunami was worse than this. I haven't heard that
reference elsewhere.

Of course, others think of New Orleans as biblical Gomorrah; and I fully
expect that any minute now Pat Robertson and Billy Graham will be preaching
about how jazz musicians have had this coming to them since the French
first got off their boats in North America.


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. fucking americans (part ii)
DATE:    31-Aug-05 15:51:29
HOST:    sverige

cor, when I say that the devastation of the Gulf coast, and impending loss
of the City of New Orleans, is "worse" than the WTC attacks, I refer to the
suffering of humanity, and the extent of personal loss; not to foreign
policy, global politics, the malicious ideologies of wackos, or any other
precursor of the destruction experienced in NYC 4 years ago.

I agree that the tsunami was worse than this. I haven't heard that
reference elsewhere.

Of course, others think of New Orleans as biblical Gomorrah; and I fully
expect that any minute now Pat Robertson and Billy Graham will be preaching
about how jazz musicians have had this coming to them since the French
first got off their boats in North America.


...............TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. show your pride
DATE:    20-Sep-05 04:08:29
HOST:    sverige

Aren't the tax reductions, in this deficit budget, just a long term debt
payable by our children? whose only current "benefit" is underfunded
medical care and education.

I'm sure I don't see the positive in that. And wasn't Reagan's dribble-on
economics policy already debunked? even before he reimplemented it?

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. show your pride
DATE:    20-Sep-05 04:08:29
HOST:    sverige

Aren't the tax reductions, in this deficit budget, just a long term debt
payable by our children? whose only current "benefit" is underfunded
medical care and education.

I'm sure I don't see the positive in that. And wasn't Reagan's dribble-on
economics policy already debunked? even before he reimplemented it?

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. bias admission
DATE:    13-Sep-05 05:11:51
HOST:    sverige

on that note, U.S. corporate media is completely worthless for anything
other than propagandizing; in fact, it's downright damaging to the
development and sustainance of clear thinking.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. bias admission
DATE:    13-Sep-05 05:11:51
HOST:    sverige

on that note, U.S. corporate media is completely worthless for anything
other than propagandizing; in fact, it's downright damaging to the
development and sustainance of clear thinking.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. best city/cities
DATE:    11-Jun-05 14:27:26
HOST:    sverige

Winnipeg ??
Thunder Bay ??
Prince Rupert ??

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. best city/cities
DATE:    11-Jun-05 14:27:26
HOST:    sverige

Winnipeg ??
Thunder Bay ??
Prince Rupert ??

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. sacrifice
DATE:    04-Aug-05 12:41:56
HOST:    sverige

Christian writings are much less hateful than the behavior of many who
profess to Christianity.

As to the "natural" man and the "image and likeness of God", I see it as
man born to become more Godlike or spiritual during the course of his life.
While it may be that the raw innocence of newborns and young children are
also an image of God, it is not one of power or wisdom or even love, during
the months of helpless dependency.

The "natural" in man is then like the natural in Jesus, being his mother;
and the "spiritual" in man like that in Jesus. And it is man's proper
activity during life to set the spiritual before and above the natural,
that his/our natural may serve our spiritual.

The natural is essentially selfish greed and willingness to exploit others.
The original Ten Commandments were provided to address these conditions,
and to point the way toward God as the source of love and wisdom.

The spiritual comes to humanity in Christ, who reinforces the Divinity as
the source of love and wisdom, and provides a life of examples, and a
couple simple new commandments, to guide man in elevating brotherhood over
selfishness, in their lives.

The Old Testament was a 10,000+ year project. The New Testament is still
pretty young yet, but a lot easier to understand and injest, particularly
if you stick to the four Gospels of Christ as authoritative, and not get
sidetracked into the epistles.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. sacrifice
DATE:    04-Aug-05 12:41:56
HOST:    sverige

Christian writings are much less hateful than the behavior of many who
profess to Christianity.

As to the "natural" man and the "image and likeness of God", I see it as
man born to become more Godlike or spiritual during the course of his life.
While it may be that the raw innocence of newborns and young children are
also an image of God, it is not one of power or wisdom or even love, during
the months of helpless dependency.

The "natural" in man is then like the natural in Jesus, being his mother;
and the "spiritual" in man like that in Jesus. And it is man's proper
activity during life to set the spiritual before and above the natural,
that his/our natural may serve our spiritual.

The natural is essentially selfish greed and willingness to exploit others.
The original Ten Commandments were provided to address these conditions,
and to point the way toward God as the source of love and wisdom.

The spiritual comes to humanity in Christ, who reinforces the Divinity as
the source of love and wisdom, and provides a life of examples, and a
couple simple new commandments, to guide man in elevating brotherhood over
selfishness, in their lives.

The Old Testament was a 10,000+ year project. The New Testament is still
pretty young yet, but a lot easier to understand and injest, particularly
if you stick to the four Gospels of Christ as authoritative, and not get
sidetracked into the epistles.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Life - A morality play ending in salvation?
DATE:    04-Aug-05 16:10:50
HOST:    sverige

Q: Were humans given the world to rule over by god?
A: No. Why would a God need humans to take care of a world or planet for
Him/her? What would be the point in that for God or for humans? and which
humans, the ruled or the rulers?

Q: Why do Christians and Muslims believe that life on earth is a precursor
to a better world in heaven?
A: Or a worse world in hell.

Q: Why to do the motheistic cults of Christianity and Islam want to spread
their beliefs to every human being on the planet?
A: It seems that they believe that they were told to do so; or that they
were called to do so; by Divine instruction. Too bad, eh? It doesn't seem
to occur to many of them that they just might have misunderstood any of it.

Q: Why does the World Bank and IMF want to spread market liberalism to
every human being on the planet?
A: It's capitalism. They are extending their scope of exploitation and
economic control.

Q: Why do Marxists believe that government can eventually disappear and the
whole world can live in natural harmony?
R: Do they really?

Q: Is there a conenction between the three?
R: Which 3? monotheism, World Bank, and Marxism?
A: I don't know.

Q: By seeking to spread liberalism worlwide and create a single human
culture are the IMF and World Bank doing the 'work of the lord'?
A: Certainly not.

Q: Is it possible for a single human culture to exist?
A: Would it be "human" if it lost its diversity?

Q: Are science and technology accellerating our 'progress' towards a single
unified human culture, or are they pushing us further apart?
A: neither?


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Life - A morality play ending in salvation?
DATE:    04-Aug-05 16:10:50
HOST:    sverige

Q: Were humans given the world to rule over by god?
A: No. Why would a God need humans to take care of a world or planet for
Him/her? What would be the point in that for God or for humans? and which
humans, the ruled or the rulers?

Q: Why do Christians and Muslims believe that life on earth is a precursor
to a better world in heaven?
A: Or a worse world in hell.

Q: Why to do the motheistic cults of Christianity and Islam want to spread
their beliefs to every human being on the planet?
A: It seems that they believe that they were told to do so; or that they
were called to do so; by Divine instruction. Too bad, eh? It doesn't seem
to occur to many of them that they just might have misunderstood any of it.

Q: Why does the World Bank and IMF want to spread market liberalism to
every human being on the planet?
A: It's capitalism. They are extending their scope of exploitation and
economic control.

Q: Why do Marxists believe that government can eventually disappear and the
whole world can live in natural harmony?
R: Do they really?

Q: Is there a conenction between the three?
R: Which 3? monotheism, World Bank, and Marxism?
A: I don't know.

Q: By seeking to spread liberalism worlwide and create a single human
culture are the IMF and World Bank doing the 'work of the lord'?
A: Certainly not.

Q: Is it possible for a single human culture to exist?
A: Would it be "human" if it lost its diversity?

Q: Are science and technology accellerating our 'progress' towards a single
unified human culture, or are they pushing us further apart?
A: neither?


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. atari, sinclair, apple
DATE:    31-Dec-04 01:50:14
HOST:    sverige

Hallo there Marten!

I have a ColorComputer setup (boxed in storage). It is certainly Motorola
6809. I was writing software application for it (native ROM BASIC), and
needed assembly language for printer output (star charts).  I dust it off
every few years since. I have (I think still) external diskette drive, many
plugin cassettes, complete office suite software, monitor interface, more
dust, and good manuals. It was a very excellent package for its day.

My only two other collections are vinyl LPs (which I'm disposing of in
January), and Hewlett-Packard HP-IL devices which are *almost* interfaced
with the CoCo/2 ;-}

Peace,
--avo

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. atari, sinclair, apple
DATE:    31-Dec-04 01:50:14
HOST:    sverige

Hallo there Marten!

I have a ColorComputer setup (boxed in storage). It is certainly Motorola
6809. I was writing software application for it (native ROM BASIC), and
needed assembly language for printer output (star charts).  I dust it off
every few years since. I have (I think still) external diskette drive, many
plugin cassettes, complete office suite software, monitor interface, more
dust, and good manuals. It was a very excellent package for its day.

My only two other collections are vinyl LPs (which I'm disposing of in
January), and Hewlett-Packard HP-IL devices which are *almost* interfaced
with the CoCo/2 ;-}

Peace,
--avo

..................................TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Security Compromised?
DATE:    02-Jul-05 13:29:57
HOST:    sverige

Hiya, bb.

Your first sentence looks *almost* like fud to me, so let me ask for some
specific of how you consider those applications to be responsible.

From my observations, the biggest risk of using peer applications is from
an already insecure machine, broadcasting itself to such a large audience
of potential malfeasants. I see increased firewall activity all over the
port range while peer apps are running.

In this scenario, it is not the applications which are insecure, but the
computer upon which they are run.

The second risk I see is that a requested file is delivered as something
other than expected, and could be executable malware. Again, it is not the
application which is insecure, but the user.

The third possibility is that an incautious user will obtain a malevolent
application which they expect to be a clean peering software; and then test
it on an insecure system or local network.

Were you thinking of something else?


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Security Compromised?
DATE:    02-Jul-05 13:29:57
HOST:    sverige

Hiya, bb.

Your first sentence looks *almost* like fud to me, so let me ask for some
specific of how you consider those applications to be responsible.

From my observations, the biggest risk of using peer applications is from
an already insecure machine, broadcasting itself to such a large audience
of potential malfeasants. I see increased firewall activity all over the
port range while peer apps are running.

In this scenario, it is not the applications which are insecure, but the
computer upon which they are run.

The second risk I see is that a requested file is delivered as something
other than expected, and could be executable malware. Again, it is not the
application which is insecure, but the user.

The third possibility is that an incautious user will obtain a malevolent
application which they expect to be a clean peering software; and then test
it on an insecure system or local network.

Were you thinking of something else?


..TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. mandelbrot sets
DATE:    04-Dec-05 07:10:50
HOST:    sverige

fractint for bsd ??

sdf ~~  Stonesoup De Fractal ??


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. mandelbrot sets
DATE:    04-Dec-05 07:10:50
HOST:    sverige

fractint for bsd ??

sdf ~~  Stonesoup De Fractal ??


.....TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. 'helpdesk' coming ..
DATE:    06-May-05 01:03:42
HOST:    sverige

Ah! .... I take this opportunity to recall us to the Unofficial Help Wiki
at http://vosi.beevomit.org/sdf-help-wiki


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. 'helpdesk' coming ..
DATE:    06-May-05 01:03:42
HOST:    sverige

Ah! .... I take this opportunity to recall us to the Unofficial Help Wiki
at http://vosi.beevomit.org/sdf-help-wiki


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. 'helpdesk' coming ..
DATE:    06-May-05 21:24:51
HOST:    sverige

it was noted, "It's annoying when knowledge is worn as a badge that must be
attained with difficulty and those without are snubbed."

I have also observed, not here but elsewhere, that those who claim
knowledge are afraid to disclose the limit, or lack of, their knowledge in
public forums of other supposedly knowledgable peers; and can be
accordingly very non-helpful, tending more toward spouting derision than
providing useful assistance.

and of course you'll get *nothing* from a security admin :)


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. 'helpdesk' coming ..
DATE:    06-May-05 21:24:51
HOST:    sverige

it was noted, "It's annoying when knowledge is worn as a badge that must be
attained with difficulty and those without are snubbed."

I have also observed, not here but elsewhere, that those who claim
knowledge are afraid to disclose the limit, or lack of, their knowledge in
public forums of other supposedly knowledgable peers; and can be
accordingly very non-helpful, tending more toward spouting derision than
providing useful assistance.

and of course you'll get *nothing* from a security admin :)


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. New SDF'er
DATE:    05-Nov-05 15:55:03
HOST:    sverige

Excellent !!   Congratulations to all of you!

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. New SDF'er
DATE:    05-Nov-05 15:55:03
HOST:    sverige

Excellent !!   Congratulations to all of you!

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. How old are you?
DATE:    07-Jun-05 01:29:19
HOST:    sverige

the two things I forget most often are how old I am, and how young I am;
not necessarily in that sequence.


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. How old are you?
DATE:    07-Jun-05 01:29:19
HOST:    sverige

the two things I forget most often are how old I am, and how young I am;
not necessarily in that sequence.


.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. is a camera flash safe for babies?
DATE:    07-Nov-05 02:59:08
HOST:    sverige

That's a very good question. So, here's my thoughts on it.

Never forget about the law of unintended consequences; and exercise the
precautionary principle; in everything, not just special things like other
humans and our babies.

I'm not sure how eyesight develops, but I've heard that pre-teen livers are
not ready for alcoholic beverages, or caffein.

Pictures in daylight are good; and since they sleep a lot, flash probably
won't hurt them if eyes closed and sleeping.

Definitely do not expose the baby to tobacco or other smoke; lungs are
certainly immature.

Thanks for caring!!


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. is a camera flash safe for babies?
DATE:    07-Nov-05 02:59:08
HOST:    sverige

That's a very good question. So, here's my thoughts on it.

Never forget about the law of unintended consequences; and exercise the
precautionary principle; in everything, not just special things like other
humans and our babies.

I'm not sure how eyesight develops, but I've heard that pre-teen livers are
not ready for alcoholic beverages, or caffein.

Pictures in daylight are good; and since they sleep a lot, flash probably
won't hurt them if eyes closed and sleeping.

Definitely do not expose the baby to tobacco or other smoke; lungs are
certainly immature.

Thanks for caring!!


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Cost of Hair Braiding (african american style)
DATE:    13-Oct-05 15:50:13
HOST:    sverige

>>Girls I knew could have a friend do it for $60.  But it took hours.

This is my experience also. They're called "plats" in the Carib, and there
is infinite variety of final results, considering which way you want the
rows to run, and for how long they stick to the head. It's all about time
(and imagination) and more time.

Dredlocks are different.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Cost of Hair Braiding (african american style)
DATE:    13-Oct-05 15:50:13
HOST:    sverige

>>Girls I knew could have a friend do it for $60.  But it took hours.

This is my experience also. They're called "plats" in the Carib, and there
is infinite variety of final results, considering which way you want the
rows to run, and for how long they stick to the head. It's all about time
(and imagination) and more time.

Dredlocks are different.

.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Google Down?
DATE:    08-May-05 12:34:41
HOST:    sverige

I agree with kthorn. When these things happen, take a break at theonion.com
and when you return, everything else will be fine :)

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Google Down?
DATE:    08-May-05 12:34:41
HOST:    sverige

I agree with kthorn. When these things happen, take a break at theonion.com
and when you return, everything else will be fine :)

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. tonight's sunset
DATE:    08-Aug-05 12:43:07
HOST:    sverige

sweet, very sweet

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. tonight's sunset
DATE:    08-Aug-05 12:43:07
HOST:    sverige

sweet, very sweet

....TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Poll. Best place to live?
DATE:    10-Apr-05 23:51:19
HOST:    sverige

womb

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Poll. Best place to live?
DATE:    10-Apr-05 23:51:19
HOST:    sverige

womb

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..TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. vegetarianism
DATE:    15-Jan-05 16:25:49
HOST:    sverige

Many good points have been raised in this interesting discussion.

It cannot be over-emphasized however that most of todays meet is, frankly,
poisoned and poisonous. To a lesser degree, so is the air, and the water.

It's more difficult to poison the fruits and vegetables and grains, but you
can be certain that the capitalists are striving to do just that with every
entry into their account books.

You don't have to blame "the capitalists" for this fact, but you should
accept the fact and then find your own perspective on the perpetrators. It
could be the liberal horde, who knows; but the willful poisoning is real.

How any government can even utter the phrase "health care" while condoning
the poisoning of the environment, including water, air, and food sources,
is just oxymoronic.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. vegetarianism
DATE:    15-Jan-05 16:25:49
HOST:    sverige

Many good points have been raised in this interesting discussion.

It cannot be over-emphasized however that most of todays meet is, frankly,
poisoned and poisonous. To a lesser degree, so is the air, and the water.

It's more difficult to poison the fruits and vegetables and grains, but you
can be certain that the capitalists are striving to do just that with every
entry into their account books.

You don't have to blame "the capitalists" for this fact, but you should
accept the fact and then find your own perspective on the perpetrators. It
could be the liberal horde, who knows; but the willful poisoning is real.

How any government can even utter the phrase "health care" while condoning
the poisoning of the environment, including water, air, and food sources,
is just oxymoronic.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. dual-line cordless phone systems
DATE:    12-May-05 19:15:41
HOST:    sverige

My problem with Uniden, and most other phone systems, stems from my being
in an area code (U.S) which requires 11-digit dialing for *everything*, and
unlike cellphones which can handle this, Uniden and others refuse to
program an ability to add or remove leading '1' prefixing which means I
cannot call out to any incoming caller without manually dialing the number.

Fucking Turd World Economy.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. dual-line cordless phone systems
DATE:    12-May-05 19:15:41
HOST:    sverige

My problem with Uniden, and most other phone systems, stems from my being
in an area code (U.S) which requires 11-digit dialing for *everything*, and
unlike cellphones which can handle this, Uniden and others refuse to
program an ability to add or remove leading '1' prefixing which means I
cannot call out to any incoming caller without manually dialing the number.

Fucking Turd World Economy.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. How do payment plans work?
DATE:    12-May-05 01:00:18
HOST:    sverige

>Your $1500 will take you 3.58 years to pay off at 14.24% with monthly
payments of $45. You will have added $420.58 to the cost.

That's the minimum; miss a payment and pay fees and double the interest and
never recover.

Just don't do it.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. How do payment plans work?
DATE:    12-May-05 01:00:18
HOST:    sverige

>Your $1500 will take you 3.58 years to pay off at 14.24% with monthly
payments of $45. You will have added $420.58 to the cost.

That's the minimum; miss a payment and pay fees and double the interest and
never recover.

Just don't do it.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Stock?
DATE:    14-Aug-05 13:10:11
HOST:    sverige

>> your house---like anything else in a capitalistic society---is only
worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

That's not entirely true. That describes what it is worth to others. You
may value it very differently, higher or lower, for many reasons.

For instance, what does it cost you to repurchase and relocate if you did
sell? Consider tangibles like replacement and moving expenses.

Also, there is value in intangibles, amenities such as neighbors, schools,
parks, etc. which a young family raising children will regard differently
than a retiring couple or a dedicated bachelor.


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Stock?
DATE:    14-Aug-05 13:10:11
HOST:    sverige

>> your house---like anything else in a capitalistic society---is only
worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

That's not entirely true. That describes what it is worth to others. You
may value it very differently, higher or lower, for many reasons.

For instance, what does it cost you to repurchase and relocate if you did
sell? Consider tangibles like replacement and moving expenses.

Also, there is value in intangibles, amenities such as neighbors, schools,
parks, etc. which a young family raising children will regard differently
than a retiring couple or a dedicated bachelor.


....TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Wierd noises on computer speakers...
DATE:    16-Feb-05 02:49:04
HOST:    sverige

Yes, with multiple different sets of cheepo speakers, and with different
sound cards.

Cell phone active does increase the speaker noise.

ALSO, I've heard the speakers discharge the exact same sounds while the
computer was powered off and unplugged. (but the speakers weren't)



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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Wierd noises on computer speakers...
DATE:    16-Feb-05 02:49:04
HOST:    sverige

Yes, with multiple different sets of cheepo speakers, and with different
sound cards.

Cell phone active does increase the speaker noise.

ALSO, I've heard the speakers discharge the exact same sounds while the
computer was powered off and unplugged. (but the speakers weren't)



..TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. colaboration
DATE:    15-Jul-05 21:00:17
HOST:    sverige

you have to add yourself to your own group :)

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. colaboration
DATE:    15-Jul-05 21:00:17
HOST:    sverige

you have to add yourself to your own group :)

...TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. SDF 1987-2005 .. Happy Birthday SDF!
DATE:    17-Jun-05 04:38:32
HOST:    sverige

hoppy burpday !!
nice achievement indeed

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. SDF 1987-2005 .. Happy Birthday SDF!
DATE:    17-Jun-05 04:38:32
HOST:    sverige

hoppy burpday !!
nice achievement indeed

.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Great Firewall of China
DATE:    17-Aug-05 13:40:06
HOST:    sverige

quixada, you can poke at your system from your sdf account :)

cotse.net provides tunnels and proxys to many happy customers on that side
of the planet. You have the right plan at home, to ssh to a friendly proxy,
perhaps on an alternate set of ports. The wall in question blocks
destination IPs more successfully than ports. Perhaps they block traffic to
known blocks of dynamic IPs?

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Great Firewall of China
DATE:    17-Aug-05 13:40:06
HOST:    sverige

quixada, you can poke at your system from your sdf account :)

cotse.net provides tunnels and proxys to many happy customers on that side
of the planet. You have the right plan at home, to ssh to a friendly proxy,
perhaps on an alternate set of ports. The wall in question blocks
destination IPs more successfully than ports. Perhaps they block traffic to
known blocks of dynamic IPs?

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Ebay sniping tool
DATE:    19-Jul-05 20:29:48
HOST:    sverige

quick question: What is "sniping" on eBay?

Thanks :)

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Ebay sniping tool
DATE:    19-Jul-05 20:29:48
HOST:    sverige

quick question: What is "sniping" on eBay?

Thanks :)

...TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. rpn calculator
DATE:    20-Apr-05 00:23:37
HOST:    sverige

Is HP still providing current 48 series?


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. rpn calculator
DATE:    20-Apr-05 00:23:37
HOST:    sverige

Is HP still providing current 48 series?


.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. CLI AIM client?
DATE:    21-Sep-05 22:31:37
HOST:    sverige

>>Bitlbee seems kinda cool but there's just somethin about it that i don't
trust.

If there is anything attached to the internet which is not trustworthy, it
is IM.

or so it seems to me anyway.
#2 is MSN, Yahoo, Google

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. CLI AIM client?
DATE:    21-Sep-05 22:31:37
HOST:    sverige

>>Bitlbee seems kinda cool but there's just somethin about it that i don't
trust.

If there is anything attached to the internet which is not trustworthy, it
is IM.

or so it seems to me anyway.
#2 is MSN, Yahoo, Google

...TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. From Iraq, A Message to the people of America
DATE:    22-Mar-05 06:36:27
HOST:    sverige

Nice post, willy; but it appeals to humans, because you are one. And there
are still some humans in teh Americas, but in the Northern American
rulership, there are no humans, only corporations and their robots.

All the truths which you present have been relegated to the bin aof
irrelevance. Teh Empire is after your mineral and oil resources; and your
land for military bases; not just in Afghanistan and Iraq, but everywhere.
Humans cannot stop it; it can only self destruct which is imminent.

Please do not usloose your humanity, your spirituality, between now and
then.

Terminal issues render this post unreadable to me; please forgive w hatever
illiteracies result.

In

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. From Iraq, A Message to the people of America
DATE:    22-Mar-05 06:36:27
HOST:    sverige

Nice post, willy; but it appeals to humans, because you are one. And there
are still some humans in teh Americas, but in the Northern American
rulership, there are no humans, only corporations and their robots.

All the truths which you present have been relegated to the bin aof
irrelevance. Teh Empire is after your mineral and oil resources; and your
land for military bases; not just in Afghanistan and Iraq, but everywhere.
Humans cannot stop it; it can only self destruct which is imminent.

Please do not usloose your humanity, your spirituality, between now and
then.

Terminal issues render this post unreadable to me; please forgive w hatever
illiteracies result.

In

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. net addiction
DATE:    07-Sep-05 19:02:18
HOST:    sverige

This article may help

http://www.oriononline.org/pages/om/05-5om/Monke.html


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. net addiction
DATE:    07-Sep-05 19:02:18
HOST:    sverige

This article may help

http://www.oriononline.org/pages/om/05-5om/Monke.html


...TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. The world superpower isn't the usa
DATE:    24-Mar-05 13:10:37
HOST:    sverige

and all the money and all the manufacturing.

But!! the U.S. has, or at least 'had', enough fertile agriculture to feed
the world.


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. The world superpower isn't the usa
DATE:    24-Mar-05 13:10:37
HOST:    sverige

and all the money and all the manufacturing.

But!! the U.S. has, or at least 'had', enough fertile agriculture to feed
the world.


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. The world superpower isn't the usa
DATE:    24-Mar-05 13:41:12
HOST:    sverige


http://www.pbs.org/previews/1421/

1421 : the year China discovered America ?

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. The world superpower isn't the usa
DATE:    24-Mar-05 13:41:12
HOST:    sverige


http://www.pbs.org/previews/1421/

1421 : the year China discovered America ?

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. The world superpower isn't the usa
DATE:    24-Mar-05 23:35:47
HOST:    sverige

Nice, Dan. Very nice!

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. The world superpower isn't the usa
DATE:    24-Mar-05 23:35:47
HOST:    sverige

Nice, Dan. Very nice!

....TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Municipal organic waste pick-up
DATE:    24-May-05 11:48:58
HOST:    sverige

The first thing to do would be to find the organization which wants to
manage the composting; if they have users and a facility, then you can look
for transportation.

Interested parties may, or may not, include park district, botanic garden,
garden club, possibly even public works dept., or even political will in
local governance.

Good luck!

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Municipal organic waste pick-up
DATE:    24-May-05 11:48:58
HOST:    sverige

The first thing to do would be to find the organization which wants to
manage the composting; if they have users and a facility, then you can look
for transportation.

Interested parties may, or may not, include park district, botanic garden,
garden club, possibly even public works dept., or even political will in
local governance.

Good luck!

..TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. got a new job offer
DATE:    26-Jul-05 11:36:52
HOST:    sverige

corster, your post got a little sidetracked with the ADF rant :)

My counsel on this matter is that you consider a)what happens when the new
offer doesn't work out?, b)how easily you can find any other job better
than current, c)your life position with risk, d)karma down the lifeline.

It sounds like your current employment (about which we know less than we do
about your former) hasn't chased you away, and is a situation which you
could easily discuss with them/him; and that he might even be honest and
open with you about his situation (like you say, can't find integrity
everywhere), so that you can engineer a situation where everybody wins and
nobody loses.

It is *always* best to strive for winners rather than losers.

Worst case scenario, you could change jobs; former employment could fold
without your support; new employment could fold because it took too much
risk; and you'd be ...

Short form: do the bold thing but don't hurt anybody along the way.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. got a new job offer
DATE:    26-Jul-05 11:36:52
HOST:    sverige

corster, your post got a little sidetracked with the ADF rant :)

My counsel on this matter is that you consider a)what happens when the new
offer doesn't work out?, b)how easily you can find any other job better
than current, c)your life position with risk, d)karma down the lifeline.

It sounds like your current employment (about which we know less than we do
about your former) hasn't chased you away, and is a situation which you
could easily discuss with them/him; and that he might even be honest and
open with you about his situation (like you say, can't find integrity
everywhere), so that you can engineer a situation where everybody wins and
nobody loses.

It is *always* best to strive for winners rather than losers.

Worst case scenario, you could change jobs; former employment could fold
without your support; new employment could fold because it took too much
risk; and you'd be ...

Short form: do the bold thing but don't hurt anybody along the way.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. got a new job offer
DATE:    27-Jul-05 03:30:05
HOST:    sverige

It might be nearly time to go independant, hang your shingle as a
consultant, and refer to those incomes as clients rather than bosses.

You'll have to charge them enough to cover your expenses and benefits and
taxes and insurances and all

but note that the general employment scheme is that billable rate is
approximately equal thirds of direct expenses (wages), indirect expenses
(overhead and benefits to employees), profit (incl. depreciation) ...

so that if an employer pays you $1 per hour, they have additional expenses
of $1/hr which are directly attributal to your employment, and they bill
their clients $3/hr minimum for your time; not necessarily that they bill
for your hourly time, but that your time/expense is figured (well or not)
into a project deliverable unit rather than base "time and materials".

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. got a new job offer
DATE:    27-Jul-05 03:30:05
HOST:    sverige

It might be nearly time to go independant, hang your shingle as a
consultant, and refer to those incomes as clients rather than bosses.

You'll have to charge them enough to cover your expenses and benefits and
taxes and insurances and all

but note that the general employment scheme is that billable rate is
approximately equal thirds of direct expenses (wages), indirect expenses
(overhead and benefits to employees), profit (incl. depreciation) ...

so that if an employer pays you $1 per hour, they have additional expenses
of $1/hr which are directly attributal to your employment, and they bill
their clients $3/hr minimum for your time; not necessarily that they bill
for your hourly time, but that your time/expense is figured (well or not)
into a project deliverable unit rather than base "time and materials".

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. BLOGS- Are they worth the time and effort?
DATE:    13-Oct-05 15:54:55
HOST:    sverige

"The Internet is now teeming with some 15 million blogs.
..
Nearly half of bloggers consider it a form of therapy ..."

http://mediachannel.org/blog/node/1429

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. BLOGS- Are they worth the time and effort?
DATE:    13-Oct-05 15:54:55
HOST:    sverige

"The Internet is now teeming with some 15 million blogs.
..
Nearly half of bloggers consider it a form of therapy ..."

http://mediachannel.org/blog/node/1429

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. BLOGS- Are they worth the time and effort?
DATE:    27-Sep-05 13:48:01
HOST:    sverige

One excellent use of blogs is for families with travellers; and for other
collaborative groups.

I just installed (not here) b2evolution which has the interesting feature
of presenting multiple blogs, and a "merged" blog which puts them all into
sequence. I find the ability to post independently, and to comment back, to
be useful and pretty well organized; though a wiki is also looking to be
good in this regard as well. I have not yet stumbled across a single tool
which does both, which is fine.

It took a few minutes however to remove all the "trackback" features by
which much blogware has grown into devices intent upon gaining search
engine rankings.

For a private, family, or group, site which doesn't want to be discovered
or archived, well .... I probably don't have to elaborate.

Interesting that this topic should arise (and too bad it didn't get its own
board), since I'm presently evaluating both, and looking for other
collaborative tools. For wikis, I've setup PMwiki (on SDF) and MediaWiki
(Wikipedia engine), and am still researching for the preferred overall
feature set. I'll note here that MediaWiki is being developed with a focus
on Wikipedia type projects, and comes up short in areas of access controls,
multiple concurrent projects, upload flexibility, and (of all things)
footnoting.

--Avo

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. BLOGS- Are they worth the time and effort?
DATE:    27-Sep-05 13:48:01
HOST:    sverige

One excellent use of blogs is for families with travellers; and for other
collaborative groups.

I just installed (not here) b2evolution which has the interesting feature
of presenting multiple blogs, and a "merged" blog which puts them all into
sequence. I find the ability to post independently, and to comment back, to
be useful and pretty well organized; though a wiki is also looking to be
good in this regard as well. I have not yet stumbled across a single tool
which does both, which is fine.

It took a few minutes however to remove all the "trackback" features by
which much blogware has grown into devices intent upon gaining search
engine rankings.

For a private, family, or group, site which doesn't want to be discovered
or archived, well .... I probably don't have to elaborate.

Interesting that this topic should arise (and too bad it didn't get its own
board), since I'm presently evaluating both, and looking for other
collaborative tools. For wikis, I've setup PMwiki (on SDF) and MediaWiki
(Wikipedia engine), and am still researching for the preferred overall
feature set. I'll note here that MediaWiki is being developed with a focus
on Wikipedia type projects, and comes up short in areas of access controls,
multiple concurrent projects, upload flexibility, and (of all things)
footnoting.

--Avo

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Home IDS suggestions
DATE:    27-Aug-05 14:19:17
HOST:    sverige

fx.dk

I run it on my desktop/gateway system for the soho lan, with other running
services for for time, dns, mail, webproxy, ssh_tunnels

Feel free to contact me directly with specific questions.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Home IDS suggestions
DATE:    27-Aug-05 14:19:17
HOST:    sverige

fx.dk

I run it on my desktop/gateway system for the soho lan, with other running
services for for time, dns, mail, webproxy, ssh_tunnels

Feel free to contact me directly with specific questions.

.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. area question
DATE:    28-Aug-05 21:03:08
HOST:    sverige

the question posed is its own answer, and it is about volume, not area.
IIRC, which I do in this case, think length times width times height, in
inches, to equal 790

since you asked

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. area question
DATE:    28-Aug-05 21:03:08
HOST:    sverige

the question posed is its own answer, and it is about volume, not area.
IIRC, which I do in this case, think length times width times height, in
inches, to equal 790

since you asked

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. area question
DATE:    29-Aug-05 12:44:33
HOST:    sverige

google is over-used; you should be able to do this stuff in your head.

textbook 12" x 8" x 2" is 192ci in less time than it takes to type out
'google'

sheesh; education these days ....

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. area question
DATE:    29-Aug-05 12:44:33
HOST:    sverige

google is over-used; you should be able to do this stuff in your head.

textbook 12" x 8" x 2" is 192ci in less time than it takes to type out
'google'

sheesh; education these days ....

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Hi and stuff
DATE:    29-Jul-05 03:55:40
HOST:    sverige

OS/2 has been killed yet again.

maybe

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Hi and stuff
DATE:    29-Jul-05 03:55:40
HOST:    sverige

OS/2 has been killed yet again.

maybe

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. I got hacked!
DATE:    29-Jun-05 03:25:43
HOST:    sverige

obscure userid makes sense to me

dontchathink:silly

?

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. I got hacked!
DATE:    29-Jun-05 03:25:43
HOST:    sverige

obscure userid makes sense to me

dontchathink:silly

?

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. BBOARD for WWW
DATE:    29-Mar-05 03:22:42
HOST:    sverige

It should be said that this project by jumex was well done, if not well
received. I'll raise a toast to the accomplishment.

Also, while I do not want bboard exposed to the public Internet crawlers, I
do not view SDF as a security service, and I acknowledge the challenges of
good security.

It was/is possible that this, and perhaps other, projects be implemented
without our knowledge until "too late". Preventing such things is an idea
worthy of consideration, eh?


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. BBOARD for WWW
DATE:    29-Mar-05 03:22:42
HOST:    sverige

It should be said that this project by jumex was well done, if not well
received. I'll raise a toast to the accomplishment.

Also, while I do not want bboard exposed to the public Internet crawlers, I
do not view SDF as a security service, and I acknowledge the challenges of
good security.

It was/is possible that this, and perhaps other, projects be implemented
without our knowledge until "too late". Preventing such things is an idea
worthy of consideration, eh?


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Windows Windows everywhere...
DATE:    29-Nov-05 15:54:44
HOST:    sverige

I still use hp200lx .... full PIM, 1-2-3, database, editor, serial i/o,
runs DOS programs, ...

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Windows Windows everywhere...
DATE:    29-Nov-05 15:54:44
HOST:    sverige

I still use hp200lx .... full PIM, 1-2-3, database, editor, serial i/o,
runs DOS programs, ...

.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. autocad .plt files
DATE:    30-Jun-05 01:54:53
HOST:    sverige

The trouble with this approach is that .plt files are printer specific,
whether raster or vector or anything else. It's not that they don't convert
well; but that it's hard to know what format they're in to convert from.

The better solution, and I do this regularly, is to have the source
application print to a PostScript file; and use GhostScript or GhostView or
GSview to convert the .ps to .pdf or anything else it's capable of; or to
just send your printer or plotter.

ps/.pdf is a good format for transfer between different users

plt is a temporary file between the application and a specific printer,
used for one-time file generation and multiple printings via "copy /b
output.prn prn" (DOS syntax)



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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. autocad .plt files
DATE:    30-Jun-05 01:54:53
HOST:    sverige

The trouble with this approach is that .plt files are printer specific,
whether raster or vector or anything else. It's not that they don't convert
well; but that it's hard to know what format they're in to convert from.

The better solution, and I do this regularly, is to have the source
application print to a PostScript file; and use GhostScript or GhostView or
GSview to convert the .ps to .pdf or anything else it's capable of; or to
just send your printer or plotter.

ps/.pdf is a good format for transfer between different users

plt is a temporary file between the application and a specific printer,
used for one-time file generation and multiple printings via "copy /b
output.prn prn" (DOS syntax)



.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Cut your own hair?
DATE:    30-Jun-05 13:47:46
HOST:    sverige

what? you don't have a sharp kitchen knife? machette?


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Cut your own hair?
DATE:    30-Jun-05 13:47:46
HOST:    sverige

what? you don't have a sharp kitchen knife? machette?


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Map of the Netherlands?
DATE:    31-Jul-05 13:12:30
HOST:    sverige

here's a couple to try also:

http://earth-info.nga.mil/gns/html/index.html
http://www.getty.edu/research/conducting_research/vocabularies/tgn/index.html

What is now the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
was formerly the  National Imagery and Mapping Agency (NIMA)
was formerly the Defense Mapping Agency (DMA)
offshore counterpart to the USGS National Mapping Division
all in the U.S.

other interesting sites, potentially useful ...
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/siteindex/maps.html
http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Map of the Netherlands?
DATE:    31-Jul-05 13:12:30
HOST:    sverige

here's a couple to try also:

http://earth-info.nga.mil/gns/html/index.html
http://www.getty.edu/research/conducting_research/vocabularies/tgn/index.html

What is now the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
was formerly the  National Imagery and Mapping Agency (NIMA)
was formerly the Defense Mapping Agency (DMA)
offshore counterpart to the USGS National Mapping Division
all in the U.S.

other interesting sites, potentially useful ...
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/siteindex/maps.html
http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. EU constitution(colon) referendums.
DATE:    01-Jun-05 15:38:30
HOST:    sverige

Be careful in discussing this because the definition of "democracy" has
been hijacked to frequently now refer to unrestrained global market
domination having more to do with exploitation than representation.

It has essentially become a useless word due to this. And when you hear
"freedom is on the march" and you see what's actually happening, you can
fear for the future value of that word also.


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. EU constitution(colon) referendums.
DATE:    01-Jun-05 15:38:30
HOST:    sverige

Be careful in discussing this because the definition of "democracy" has
been hijacked to frequently now refer to unrestrained global market
domination having more to do with exploitation than representation.

It has essentially become a useless word due to this. And when you hear
"freedom is on the march" and you see what's actually happening, you can
fear for the future value of that word also.


TACKER:  plewylli (Peter Lewyllie)
SUBJECT: .. EU constitution(colon) referendums.
DATE:    01-Jun-05 15:58:31
HOST:    otaku

Well, John, my question was mostly directed towards Martin anyway since he
seems really opposed to the proposed constitution.

Myself I especially liked the part which defines the rights for a European
citizen.

How the actual representation is worked out, it looks a lot more
manageable than how it is now. That it's not perfect, ok, but I did not
expect it to be. Nothing's perfect. Especially when we have to agree with a
lot of partners on one text. But it's a start. If you say no to that,
that's just... just... I don't understand...

I'm really annoyed by the french non, really...

kind regards,
Peter

PS: avoyager, this is about the EU, not about the US

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TACKER:  plewylli (Peter Lewyllie)
SUBJECT: .. EU constitution(colon) referendums.
DATE:    01-Jun-05 15:58:31
HOST:    otaku

Well, John, my question was mostly directed towards Martin anyway since he
seems really opposed to the proposed constitution.

Myself I especially liked the part which defines the rights for a European
citizen.

How the actual representation is worked out, it looks a lot more
manageable than how it is now. That it's not perfect, ok, but I did not
expect it to be. Nothing's perfect. Especially when we have to agree with a
lot of partners on one text. But it's a start. If you say no to that,
that's just... just... I don't understand...

I'm really annoyed by the french non, really...

kind regards,
Peter

PS: avoyager, this is about the EU, not about the US

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. EU constitution(colon) referendums.
DATE:    04-Jun-05 14:15:57
HOST:    sverige

Chris: I understand that also the Dutch West Indies Company was part of the
problem in the days of early US colonization.

My current synopsis is that the U.S. in particular made a fatal mistake in
letting "the economy" or more specifically "the market" gain control of the
government. It is my firm belief that an economy or an economic model
should be the *tool* of government.

As voters, U.S. citizens have obviously lost control; the notion of
democracy in the U.S. is a pretense. There is no informed electorate; there
is not an electorate which votes; and officials in office are not
representing the views, rights, and causes of their public constituency.

Since the government is controlled by "the market", that is the only place
where citizens can have an influence, not as citizens but as consumers, or
non-consumers.

Sadly, the public isn't generally well informed about these matters. For
the last fifty years and longer, U.S. society has developed a culture of
willful deception, and a tolerance of the same, which is in my view
disgusting.

It seems that this culture of deception is motivated by, and principal tool
of, market domination over not just social causes but the basic
activities of self-governance.

The scene becomes really bizarre with the connection with religion; for
almost all religions and advanced civilizations now vanished figured out
that the only real purpose of the human experience is to love one another,
with tolerance, toleration, and kindness, and giving to others.

Selfish greed and exploitation is well understood to be a path of sure
destruction; self-destruction; as its proponents lie to each other and
eventually to themselves. Walmart devours the healthy decentralized
economies, depends upon "growth" which is not sustainable.

A free market, capitalist, consumer economy requires consumers with
discretionary spending power; the middle class. I heard this week (sorry no
citation) that the size of the U.S. middle class, by proportion of
population, is significantly smaller than that of other industralized
nations.

The economic model has already failed. It is not distributing enough
purchasing power to sustain itself no less add to its growth.

It is this failed economic model which is running the country into the
ground.

The current administration is actively and openly and proudly plundering
the public treasury, and its not even being talked about.

It is my hope that Europe can avoid this pitfall; and that Latin America
will continue to reverse the damage done there by U.S. intervention; and
that Americans will start to wise up and take their country back before
polluting it to extinction.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. EU constitution(colon) referendums.
DATE:    04-Jun-05 14:15:57
HOST:    sverige

Chris: I understand that also the Dutch West Indies Company was part of the
problem in the days of early US colonization.

My current synopsis is that the U.S. in particular made a fatal mistake in
letting "the economy" or more specifically "the market" gain control of the
government. It is my firm belief that an economy or an economic model
should be the *tool* of government.

As voters, U.S. citizens have obviously lost control; the notion of
democracy in the U.S. is a pretense. There is no informed electorate; there
is not an electorate which votes; and officials in office are not
representing the views, rights, and causes of their public constituency.

Since the government is controlled by "the market", that is the only place
where citizens can have an influence, not as citizens but as consumers, or
non-consumers.

Sadly, the public isn't generally well informed about these matters. For
the last fifty years and longer, U.S. society has developed a culture of
willful deception, and a tolerance of the same, which is in my view
disgusting.

It seems that this culture of deception is motivated by, and principal tool
of, market domination over not just social causes but the basic
activities of self-governance.

The scene becomes really bizarre with the connection with religion; for
almost all religions and advanced civilizations now vanished figured out
that the only real purpose of the human experience is to love one another,
with tolerance, toleration, and kindness, and giving to others.

Selfish greed and exploitation is well understood to be a path of sure
destruction; self-destruction; as its proponents lie to each other and
eventually to themselves. Walmart devours the healthy decentralized
economies, depends upon "growth" which is not sustainable.

A free market, capitalist, consumer economy requires consumers with
discretionary spending power; the middle class. I heard this week (sorry no
citation) that the size of the U.S. middle class, by proportion of
population, is significantly smaller than that of other industralized
nations.

The economic model has already failed. It is not distributing enough
purchasing power to sustain itself no less add to its growth.

It is this failed economic model which is running the country into the
ground.

The current administration is actively and openly and proudly plundering
the public treasury, and its not even being talked about.

It is my hope that Europe can avoid this pitfall; and that Latin America
will continue to reverse the damage done there by U.S. intervention; and
that Americans will start to wise up and take their country back before
polluting it to extinction.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. EU constitution(colon) referendums.
DATE:    04-Jun-05 16:00:00
HOST:    sverige

some other material at http://www.pinr.com/

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. EU constitution(colon) referendums.
DATE:    04-Jun-05 16:00:00
HOST:    sverige

some other material at http://www.pinr.com/

...TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Groups and Yahoo
DATE:    17-Aug-05 13:46:43
HOST:    sverige

The asshole who thinks google groups is "just an archive" hasn't looked
very closely since they implemented their beta-groups makeover about a year
ago. There are groups which descriptions use the words googlegroup and
yahoogroup interchangeably. Google groups includes yahoo based groups as
well as usenet, and possibly their own stuff as well. You can "start a
group" at google groups. But you have to subscribe first, and I'm not going
down that path to find the answer to my question.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Groups and Yahoo
DATE:    17-Aug-05 13:46:43
HOST:    sverige

The asshole who thinks google groups is "just an archive" hasn't looked
very closely since they implemented their beta-groups makeover about a year
ago. There are groups which descriptions use the words googlegroup and
yahoogroup interchangeably. Google groups includes yahoo based groups as
well as usenet, and possibly their own stuff as well. You can "start a
group" at google groups. But you have to subscribe first, and I'm not going
down that path to find the answer to my question.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Google's Own Private Internet
DATE:    21-Sep-05 23:04:37
HOST:    sverige

Personally, I suspect that the "zombie network" is equally "scary" but in a
very different way.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Google's Own Private Internet
DATE:    21-Sep-05 23:04:37
HOST:    sverige

Personally, I suspect that the "zombie network" is equally "scary" but in a
very different way.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. SDF Gopher Server
DATE:    19-Oct-05 03:00:27
HOST:    sverige

<sarcasm on>
... and all it's dependencies .... then everybody, even EVERYbody, spends
the next couple weeks .... um, .... recovering.

Smile. :)
</sarcasm off>

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. SDF Gopher Server
DATE:    19-Oct-05 03:00:27
HOST:    sverige

<sarcasm on>
... and all it's dependencies .... then everybody, even EVERYbody, spends
the next couple weeks .... um, .... recovering.

Smile. :)
</sarcasm off>

...TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. ProFtp/Firefox problem
DATE:    01-Apr-05 19:43:10
HOST:    sverige

Similarly it could be an interface binding issue. Check that local firefox
is addressing the public IP of the ftpserver; in case ftpserver is not
bound to (listening on) localhost.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. ProFtp/Firefox problem
DATE:    01-Apr-05 19:43:10
HOST:    sverige

Similarly it could be an interface binding issue. Check that local firefox
is addressing the public IP of the ftpserver; in case ftpserver is not
bound to (listening on) localhost.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Incorrect delivery
DATE:    02-Aug-05 02:03:54
HOST:    sverige

>>"Why would an email to a nonexistant user [email protected]
arrive in my email?"

It could have been forwarded, aliased, or possibly you're looking at a
forged To: field in the header rather than the Envelope-To of the delivery.


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Incorrect delivery
DATE:    02-Aug-05 02:03:54
HOST:    sverige

>>"Why would an email to a nonexistant user [email protected]
arrive in my email?"

It could have been forwarded, aliased, or possibly you're looking at a
forged To: field in the header rather than the Envelope-To of the delivery.


.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. automate mdns?
DATE:    04-Jan-05 03:45:08
HOST:    sverige

or use a local cron to an sdf based html/cgi target.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. automate mdns?
DATE:    04-Jan-05 03:45:08
HOST:    sverige

or use a local cron to an sdf based html/cgi target.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. webquota exceeded yesterday, but still not able to see page
DATE:    03-May-05 03:25:38
HOST:    sverige

reading the page delivered in reponse to request for your site, I see that
you've exceeded the bandwidth quota, which is different from the diskspace
quota.


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. webquota exceeded yesterday, but still not able to see page
DATE:    03-May-05 03:25:38
HOST:    sverige

reading the page delivered in reponse to request for your site, I see that
you've exceeded the bandwidth quota, which is different from the diskspace
quota.


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. webquota exceeded yesterday, but still not able to see page
DATE:    03-May-05 11:23:07
HOST:    sverige

try running mkhomepg again

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. webquota exceeded yesterday, but still not able to see page
DATE:    03-May-05 11:23:07
HOST:    sverige

try running mkhomepg again

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. My address being used for spam?
DATE:    04-Oct-05 01:56:01
HOST:    sverige

What happens is that spammers forge your address as sender of their
spewage. There's not much you can do about that. To ease the load on your
box, you can contrive filters for them, or dispose of the alias.

Mail system admins should reject, rather than bounce, those things, but for
various reasons and with various excuses, many refuse to do so.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. My address being used for spam?
DATE:    04-Oct-05 01:56:01
HOST:    sverige

What happens is that spammers forge your address as sender of their
spewage. There's not much you can do about that. To ease the load on your
box, you can contrive filters for them, or dispose of the alias.

Mail system admins should reject, rather than bounce, those things, but for
various reasons and with various excuses, many refuse to do so.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Why does my site keep refusing connections?
DATE:    04-Oct-05 12:13:01
HOST:    sverige

Hi. Your posts indicate that you have some indicator that something is
happening which you don't understand. Perhaps you could post that indictor
or describe its indications in order to provide your potential assistors
with more detail.

Also, have you considered the possibility of "server load", whether or not
the web server has a connection limit, or a rate limit, and what it might
do when it reaches that limit?

--avo

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Why does my site keep refusing connections?
DATE:    04-Oct-05 12:13:01
HOST:    sverige

Hi. Your posts indicate that you have some indicator that something is
happening which you don't understand. Perhaps you could post that indictor
or describe its indications in order to provide your potential assistors
with more detail.

Also, have you considered the possibility of "server load", whether or not
the web server has a connection limit, or a rate limit, and what it might
do when it reaches that limit?

--avo

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Why does my site keep refusing connections?
DATE:    04-Oct-05 13:52:51
HOST:    sverige

webserver is currently "down"

$ telnet jaysonic.freeshell.org 80
Trying 192.94.73.4...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
$ date
Tue Oct  4 13:52:18 UTC 2005

It'll be back.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Why does my site keep refusing connections?
DATE:    04-Oct-05 13:52:51
HOST:    sverige

webserver is currently "down"

$ telnet jaysonic.freeshell.org 80
Trying 192.94.73.4...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
$ date
Tue Oct  4 13:52:18 UTC 2005

It'll be back.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Why does my site keep refusing connections?
DATE:    04-Oct-05 16:22:17
HOST:    sverige

measly,

I said nothing about 'webquota'. Read my posts again; carefully this time
:)


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Why does my site keep refusing connections?
DATE:    04-Oct-05 16:22:17
HOST:    sverige

measly,

I said nothing about 'webquota'. Read my posts again; carefully this time
:)


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Mail rejected...
DATE:    05-Jun-05 14:25:52
HOST:    sverige

It looks like something is wrong at private.com

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Mail rejected...
DATE:    05-Jun-05 14:25:52
HOST:    sverige

It looks like something is wrong at private.com

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. .screenrc help
DATE:    07-Apr-05 11:17:16
HOST:    sverige

a good find however ;-}

I am also building a .screenrc file, in novice mode.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. .screenrc help
DATE:    07-Apr-05 11:17:16
HOST:    sverige

a good find however ;-}

I am also building a .screenrc file, in novice mode.

.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Converting avi to mpg
DATE:    10-Jan-05 23:12:12
HOST:    sverige

perhaps this can be of use:

http://avidemux.sourceforge.net/


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Converting avi to mpg
DATE:    10-Jan-05 23:12:12
HOST:    sverige

perhaps this can be of use:

http://avidemux.sourceforge.net/


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. /html permissions
DATE:    08-Jun-05 12:38:57
HOST:    sverige

$ ls -ld ~hermoyne
drwxr-xr-x  4 hermoyne  arpa  512 Jun  8 10:29 /arpa/hm/h/hermoyne$
$ ls -ldL ~hermoyne/html
d---------  10 hermoyne  nobody  1024 Jun  8 08:13 /arpa/hm/h/hermoyne/html
$ uinfo hermoyne
Created:      Mon Aug 23 09:51 2004  on ttyp0 from 192.94.73.3
Validated:    Mon Aug 23 17:27 2004
Joined ARPA:  Mon Aug 23 17:27 2004
$ groups hermoyne
new
$ date
Wed Jun  8 12:40:48 UTC 2005
$

just clues; no aolutions

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. /html permissions
DATE:    08-Jun-05 12:38:57
HOST:    sverige

$ ls -ld ~hermoyne
drwxr-xr-x  4 hermoyne  arpa  512 Jun  8 10:29 /arpa/hm/h/hermoyne$
$ ls -ldL ~hermoyne/html
d---------  10 hermoyne  nobody  1024 Jun  8 08:13 /arpa/hm/h/hermoyne/html
$ uinfo hermoyne
Created:      Mon Aug 23 09:51 2004  on ttyp0 from 192.94.73.3
Validated:    Mon Aug 23 17:27 2004
Joined ARPA:  Mon Aug 23 17:27 2004
$ groups hermoyne
new
$ date
Wed Jun  8 12:40:48 UTC 2005
$

just clues; no aolutions

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Easy way to get IP address(es) with UNIX?
DATE:    08-Sep-05 04:11:26
HOST:    sverige

enjoy netstat

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Easy way to get IP address(es) with UNIX?
DATE:    08-Sep-05 04:11:26
HOST:    sverige

enjoy netstat

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. scp for validated users?
DATE:    10-May-05 00:07:01
HOST:    sverige

$ ls -l `which scp`
-rwxr-x---  1 root  arpa  46544 Sep 18  2003 /usr/pkg/bin/scp

scp and ssh are provided with ARPA membership

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. scp for validated users?
DATE:    10-May-05 00:07:01
HOST:    sverige

$ ls -l `which scp`
-rwxr-x---  1 root  arpa  46544 Sep 18  2003 /usr/pkg/bin/scp

scp and ssh are provided with ARPA membership

..TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Giving someone a place to send a file.
DATE:    12-Jan-05 13:48:38
HOST:    sverige

two thoughts on this:

a. create an account for them on SDF. has cost, additional benefits, is
perhaps most convenient for both of you.

b. have htem email you when the file is ready, and then fire up your local
ftp server for a short day only.

c. use the data as images for greeting cards, business cards, wall art,
etc.

Cheers,
--avo

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Giving someone a place to send a file.
DATE:    12-Jan-05 13:48:38
HOST:    sverige

two thoughts on this:

a. create an account for them on SDF. has cost, additional benefits, is
perhaps most convenient for both of you.

b. have htem email you when the file is ready, and then fire up your local
ftp server for a short day only.

c. use the data as images for greeting cards, business cards, wall art,
etc.

Cheers,
--avo

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Uploading files to server (from SDF)
DATE:    12-Mar-05 22:10:08
HOST:    sverige

I've always had trouble with scp. Does it require an existing SSH
connection?  I can't picture how to run it through an existing connection
however, unless it runs on the remote. The alternative is that it creates
its own connection for the file transfer, and is run independently, but in
the same manner as, SSH.

Please, is it 'A' or 'B' ?

and Thank you.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Uploading files to server (from SDF)
DATE:    12-Mar-05 22:10:08
HOST:    sverige

I've always had trouble with scp. Does it require an existing SSH
connection?  I can't picture how to run it through an existing connection
however, unless it runs on the remote. The alternative is that it creates
its own connection for the file transfer, and is run independently, but in
the same manner as, SSH.

Please, is it 'A' or 'B' ?

and Thank you.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Uploading files to server (from SDF)
DATE:    13-Mar-05 05:27:29
HOST:    sverige

Thank you.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Uploading files to server (from SDF)
DATE:    13-Mar-05 05:27:29
HOST:    sverige

Thank you.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. bboard search
DATE:    13-Jan-05 19:50:12
HOST:    sverige

may have broken something!

now the bulletin in HELP:
SUBJECT: .. Giving someone a place to send a file.

is no longer listed.

In a <S>earch it appears as
<HELP.12-Jan-05>

could it be the leading dots?

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. bboard search
DATE:    13-Jan-05 19:50:12
HOST:    sverige

may have broken something!

now the bulletin in HELP:
SUBJECT: .. Giving someone a place to send a file.

is no longer listed.

In a <S>earch it appears as
<HELP.12-Jan-05>

could it be the leading dots?

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Controlling access with SSL certs
DATE:    15-Apr-05 11:49:03
HOST:    sverige

I think it was a fine idea, certainly worth pursuing. Next you might look
into VPN for everybody. You could start at fx.dk

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Controlling access with SSL certs
DATE:    15-Apr-05 11:49:03
HOST:    sverige

I think it was a fine idea, certainly worth pursuing. Next you might look
into VPN for everybody. You could start at fx.dk

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Redirecting Standard Output
DATE:    17-Feb-05 05:42:26
HOST:    sverige

Yes you can; just watch and see.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Redirecting Standard Output
DATE:    17-Feb-05 05:42:26
HOST:    sverige

Yes you can; just watch and see.

...TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. i deserve a usability prize for this
DATE:    18-May-05 20:01:45
HOST:    sverige

"click" is military-speak for "hop, skip, and jump", as in "the target is
just five clicks from here".

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. i deserve a usability prize for this
DATE:    18-May-05 20:01:45
HOST:    sverige

"click" is military-speak for "hop, skip, and jump", as in "the target is
just five clicks from here".

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. webpage redirection problem
DATE:    18-Jun-05 16:17:16
HOST:    sverige

ErrorDocument 404
is sufficient to use the default 404 handler

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. webpage redirection problem
DATE:    18-Jun-05 16:17:16
HOST:    sverige

ErrorDocument 404
is sufficient to use the default 404 handler

.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Trouble with basic auth on my SDF web site
DATE:    20-Jul-05 16:32:10
HOST:    sverige

the .htpasswd file must in the the /www/.... root path to your webspace,
which is linked to from ~/html





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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Trouble with basic auth on my SDF web site
DATE:    20-Jul-05 16:32:10
HOST:    sverige

the .htpasswd file must in the the /www/.... root path to your webspace,
which is linked to from ~/html





TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. cupla (metaARPA) quests
DATE:    20-May-05 22:18:24
HOST:    sverige

> I want MetaARPA in part cuz of mdns. I read up on it a bit and understand
> how to update IP. BUt there must be clients/programs that can do this
> updating automatically, right? But even more importantly: is there a way to
> make mdns resolve to my webspace on sdf when my webserver is offline?

1. you need to create properly formatted files .mdns and .mdns.update in ~/
Maybe by cgi; maybe by scp. There is earlier discussion of this in the
bboard archive for 2005, else 2004

2. With a vhost membership, I'd wager that your.mdns.org url could be added
to the SDF host; the trick would be to update the IP; maybe run a chron to
test for your.mdns.org response and if fail fallback to the appropriate SDF
IP by same proc as #1 above.

--Maynard

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. cupla (metaARPA) quests
DATE:    20-May-05 22:18:24
HOST:    sverige

> I want MetaARPA in part cuz of mdns. I read up on it a bit and understand
> how to update IP. BUt there must be clients/programs that can do this
> updating automatically, right? But even more importantly: is there a way to
> make mdns resolve to my webspace on sdf when my webserver is offline?

1. you need to create properly formatted files .mdns and .mdns.update in ~/
Maybe by cgi; maybe by scp. There is earlier discussion of this in the
bboard archive for 2005, else 2004

2. With a vhost membership, I'd wager that your.mdns.org url could be added
to the SDF host; the trick would be to update the IP; maybe run a chron to
test for your.mdns.org response and if fail fallback to the appropriate SDF
IP by same proc as #1 above.

--Maynard

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. What machine did I last log into?
DATE:    20-Sep-05 00:54:45
HOST:    sverige

enhance ywho by putting the list of servers into /.yhosts (one per line)
rather than on the commandline.

:)

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. What machine did I last log into?
DATE:    20-Sep-05 00:54:45
HOST:    sverige

enhance ywho by putting the list of servers into /.yhosts (one per line)
rather than on the commandline.

:)

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Stuck email?
DATE:    22-Jul-05 15:37:40
HOST:    sverige

The easiest thing is to copy the mail to yourself at your SDF and
preferably yet another outside addy. If there is still one missing, then in
addition to manually sending via sendmail as suggested, you could use
'host' or 'dig' to discover the receiving MTA for your domain, and then
manually telnet to it, sending an email my manually entering SMTP commands
as described by RFC 2821 (which you can learn to do in <30 min.)?

This way, you personally witness its arrival at your domain host; and may
optionally have a log of the transaction  with which to confront the admin
there.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Stuck email?
DATE:    22-Jul-05 15:37:40
HOST:    sverige

The easiest thing is to copy the mail to yourself at your SDF and
preferably yet another outside addy. If there is still one missing, then in
addition to manually sending via sendmail as suggested, you could use
'host' or 'dig' to discover the receiving MTA for your domain, and then
manually telnet to it, sending an email my manually entering SMTP commands
as described by RFC 2821 (which you can learn to do in <30 min.)?

This way, you personally witness its arrival at your domain host; and may
optionally have a log of the transaction  with which to confront the admin
there.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Stuck email?
DATE:    23-Jul-05 16:18:28
HOST:    sverige

It looks to me that the recipient is being aliased to dev/nul by the SDF
outbound relay at 192.94.73.21

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Stuck email?
DATE:    23-Jul-05 16:18:28
HOST:    sverige

It looks to me that the recipient is being aliased to dev/nul by the SDF
outbound relay at 192.94.73.21

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Stuck email?
DATE:    24-Jul-05 04:21:35
HOST:    sverige

If it is still true, try posting to the REQUESTS board on bboard, a request
that the alias be reconsidered, and that an explanation be provided to you
by email if the alias is continued.

Good luck.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Stuck email?
DATE:    24-Jul-05 04:21:35
HOST:    sverige

If it is still true, try posting to the REQUESTS board on bboard, a request
that the alias be reconsidered, and that an explanation be provided to you
by email if the alias is continued.

Good luck.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Running a public webserver behind a firewall
DATE:    23-Mar-05 12:51:52
HOST:    sverige

If you're system running the web server is behind a NATting device, then
that device will have to be configured to do port forwarding, both
directions. Alternatively, the NAtting device may have one port which is
not NATted (they name it some kind of 'zone') for teh purpose of connecting
servers.

I don't think that "routing" applies to NATting.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Running a public webserver behind a firewall
DATE:    23-Mar-05 12:51:52
HOST:    sverige

If you're system running the web server is behind a NATting device, then
that device will have to be configured to do port forwarding, both
directions. Alternatively, the NAtting device may have one port which is
not NATted (they name it some kind of 'zone') for teh purpose of connecting
servers.

I don't think that "routing" applies to NATting.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. "No plan."?
DATE:    25-Jan-05 23:25:52
HOST:    sverige

see what happens if you create a file, using any means you chooose, named
..

plan

and for that matter, ...

project

or even, ...

da_bom

;-}

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. "No plan."?
DATE:    25-Jan-05 23:25:52
HOST:    sverige

see what happens if you create a file, using any means you chooose, named
..

plan

and for that matter, ...

project

or even, ...

da_bom

;-}

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. help with "upload"
DATE:    27-Jul-05 20:39:17
HOST:    sverige

try kermit or c-kermit, originated at columbia.edu iirc.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. help with "upload"
DATE:    27-Jul-05 20:39:17
HOST:    sverige

try kermit or c-kermit, originated at columbia.edu iirc.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. I want 2 OS on one hard drive!
DATE:    28-Dec-04 04:40:47
HOST:    sverige

You should probably plan to use some kind of "boot manager" on a primary
partition.  There are plenty available, and you may find 'lilo' with your
linux distro.

Historically, MS systems have needed a primary partition for booting, but
w2k can reside on a logical volume.

It's common practice, and plenty of guidance is available in distro manuals
and online.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. I want 2 OS on one hard drive!
DATE:    28-Dec-04 04:40:47
HOST:    sverige

You should probably plan to use some kind of "boot manager" on a primary
partition.  There are plenty available, and you may find 'lilo' with your
linux distro.

Historically, MS systems have needed a primary partition for booting, but
w2k can reside on a logical volume.

It's common practice, and plenty of guidance is available in distro manuals
and online.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. port 8010 blocked for streaming music
DATE:    28-Apr-05 01:05:48
HOST:    sverige

addenda...
Once metaARPA, you can, and may need to, use sverige for this.
Depending on your client, the syntax may be:
ssh -l <username> ... sverige.freeshell.org
for your <username> on SDF, and where
.. is -L localport:remotehost:remotehostport

then just tune your listening to 127.0.0.1:localport


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. port 8010 blocked for streaming music
DATE:    28-Apr-05 01:05:48
HOST:    sverige

addenda...
Once metaARPA, you can, and may need to, use sverige for this.
Depending on your client, the syntax may be:
ssh -l <username> ... sverige.freeshell.org
for your <username> on SDF, and where
.. is -L localport:remotehost:remotehostport

then just tune your listening to 127.0.0.1:localport


..TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. chmod command
DATE:    29-May-05 01:29:53
HOST:    sverige

what happens if you just run chmod alone without anything else on the
command string?

or
$ ls -l `which chmod`


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. chmod command
DATE:    29-May-05 01:29:53
HOST:    sverige

what happens if you just run chmod alone without anything else on the
command string?

or
$ ls -l `which chmod`


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. mdns not working for me
DATE:    28-Oct-05 15:59:44
HOST:    sverige

Shucks. It appears that I am to blame for this failure; and for that I
apologize and ask for forgiveness.

It seems that my self-generated .mdns file had a 0D0A rather than 000A
termination; or something else perhaps, but I'm striving to ensure that it
won't happen again.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. mdns not working for me
DATE:    28-Oct-05 15:59:44
HOST:    sverige

Shucks. It appears that I am to blame for this failure; and for that I
apologize and ask for forgiveness.

It seems that my self-generated .mdns file had a 0D0A rather than 000A
termination; or something else perhaps, but I'm striving to ensure that it
won't happen again.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. mdns not working for me
DATE:    28-Oct-05 22:04:13
HOST:    sverige

OK. I got that fixed. It was a 0d0a term rather than just a 0a which caused
the problem.

My next solution-in-process is to find a way to automatically disable the
mdns assignment on impending connection downing. The automated process of
sending ~/.mdns and ~/.mdns.update works by scp; but deleting a remote file
isn't something which I've figured out yet.

And, you'll be pleased to hear that i'm not going to just experiment with
things like empty files for this purpose. Until I solve it, I'll either let
the assignment continue until updated, or assign some localhost IP -- or
better yet, a remote hosted site -- hmmmmmm....... ????



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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. mdns not working for me
DATE:    28-Oct-05 22:04:13
HOST:    sverige

OK. I got that fixed. It was a 0d0a term rather than just a 0a which caused
the problem.

My next solution-in-process is to find a way to automatically disable the
mdns assignment on impending connection downing. The automated process of
sending ~/.mdns and ~/.mdns.update works by scp; but deleting a remote file
isn't something which I've figured out yet.

And, you'll be pleased to hear that i'm not going to just experiment with
things like empty files for this purpose. Until I solve it, I'll either let
the assignment continue until updated, or assign some localhost IP -- or
better yet, a remote hosted site -- hmmmmmm....... ????



TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. root ..
DATE:    29-Jun-05 03:23:30
HOST:    sverige

don't panic; we're just victims of a failed motd update, and bad timing for
logging in during the short timeframe during which it would be noticed.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. root ..
DATE:    29-Jun-05 03:23:30
HOST:    sverige

don't panic; we're just victims of a failed motd update, and bad timing for
logging in during the short timeframe during which it would be noticed.

.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. jobs (bg fg etc)
DATE:    30-May-05 17:40:49
HOST:    sverige

try  top &
it could be something peculiar with whatever you have as 'fm' ?

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. jobs (bg fg etc)
DATE:    30-May-05 17:40:49
HOST:    sverige

try  top &
it could be something peculiar with whatever you have as 'fm' ?

.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. answer always posted - bug?
DATE:    06-Jun-05 17:12:45
HOST:    sverige

Maybe the design intent is to compose a response and leave it in the list
but not email it to the poster? which would be a nice feature if we could
edit/delete response content in situations as discribed.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. answer always posted - bug?
DATE:    06-Jun-05 17:12:45
HOST:    sverige

Maybe the design intent is to compose a response and leave it in the list
but not email it to the poster? which would be a nice feature if we could
edit/delete response content in situations as discribed.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Arpa member fallen off ARPA list
DATE:    20-May-05 03:03:16
HOST:    sverige

$ uinfo demuire
Created:      Mon Jul  8 14:10 2002  on ttyq7 from 63.12.147.160
Validated:    Mon Jul  8 16:38 2002
Joined ARPA:  Mon Jul  8 16:38 2002
$ ls -ld ~demuire
drwxr-xr-x  10 demuire  arpa  1024 May 20 01:43 /arpa/ag/d/demuire

However,
$ groups demuire
new

there must be another list somewhere :)


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Arpa member fallen off ARPA list
DATE:    20-May-05 03:03:16
HOST:    sverige

$ uinfo demuire
Created:      Mon Jul  8 14:10 2002  on ttyq7 from 63.12.147.160
Validated:    Mon Jul  8 16:38 2002
Joined ARPA:  Mon Jul  8 16:38 2002
$ ls -ld ~demuire
drwxr-xr-x  10 demuire  arpa  1024 May 20 01:43 /arpa/ag/d/demuire

However,
$ groups demuire
new

there must be another list somewhere :)


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. i seem to be a permanent HELPDESK attendant
DATE:    01-Jun-05 12:03:29
HOST:    sverige

Yeah, I've noticed that; and am glad to see that you're OK, not run over by
a train while helping some soul with their shell ;-}


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. i seem to be a permanent HELPDESK attendant
DATE:    01-Jun-05 12:03:29
HOST:    sverige

Yeah, I've noticed that; and am glad to see that you're OK, not run over by
a train while helping some soul with their shell ;-}


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Stupid w4nn4b3's LOL
DATE:    09-May-05 17:10:46
HOST:    sverige

Isn't that the nimda virus/worm?

Condescension is not a virtue.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Stupid w4nn4b3's LOL
DATE:    09-May-05 17:10:46
HOST:    sverige

Isn't that the nimda virus/worm?

Condescension is not a virtue.

...TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Same Condition.
DATE:    18-Sep-05 13:10:04
HOST:    sverige

Thanks Alexy.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Same Condition.
DATE:    18-Sep-05 13:10:04
HOST:    sverige

Thanks Alexy.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Same Condition.
DATE:    19-Sep-05 18:44:16
HOST:    sverige

to some of us o'timers, "bridge" is just forward of the nav station, above
the workign deck, and around a card table at the neighbors :)

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Same Condition.
DATE:    19-Sep-05 18:44:16
HOST:    sverige

to some of us o'timers, "bridge" is just forward of the nav station, above
the workign deck, and around a card table at the neighbors :)

.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. BYE BYE LEENOX ...
DATE:    26-Aug-05 11:21:43
HOST:    sverige

if it was intended to be pronounced 'linnux' then it should have been
spelled that way.


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. BYE BYE LEENOX ...
DATE:    26-Aug-05 11:21:43
HOST:    sverige

if it was intended to be pronounced 'linnux' then it should have been
spelled that way.


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Foreign Media Reaction
DATE:    11-Dec-05 12:14:30
HOST:    sverige

This might be a good project with which to learn the text tools (sed, awk,
etc.) by creating indices for these documents; one in flat text for maybe
grepping; another in CSV for database import.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Foreign Media Reaction
DATE:    11-Dec-05 12:14:30
HOST:    sverige

This might be a good project with which to learn the text tools (sed, awk,
etc.) by creating indices for these documents; one in flat text for maybe
grepping; another in CSV for database import.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. escalation detected
DATE:    02-May-05 22:51:56
HOST:    sverige

anon option not detected

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. escalation detected
DATE:    02-May-05 22:51:56
HOST:    sverige

anon option not detected

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. escalation detected
DATE:    02-May-05 22:52:43
HOST:    sverige

panic escalating

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. escalation detected
DATE:    02-May-05 22:52:43
HOST:    sverige

panic escalating

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. escalation detected
DATE:    02-May-05 22:53:47
HOST:    sverige

______
< bOOm >
------
       \   ^__^
        \  (oo)\_______
           (__)\       )\/\
               ||----w |
               ||     ||

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. escalation detected
DATE:    02-May-05 22:53:47
HOST:    sverige

______
< bOOm >
------
       \   ^__^
        \  (oo)\_______
           (__)\       )\/\
               ||----w |
               ||     ||

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Wow... Every pixel could be a separate universe...
DATE:    03-May-05 01:39:40
HOST:    sverige

Isn't the helpdesk function provided by the HELP board here in 'bboard'?
and optionally the 'helpdesk' forum in com?

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Wow... Every pixel could be a separate universe...
DATE:    03-May-05 01:39:40
HOST:    sverige

Isn't the helpdesk function provided by the HELP board here in 'bboard'?
and optionally the 'helpdesk' forum in com?

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Wow... Every pixel could be a separate universe...
DATE:    03-May-05 01:54:25
HOST:    sverige

If there was an alternate 'mesg' switch to enable reception of
announcements of a new question from a user in com's helpdesk, I'd be able
and willing to enable it on occasion of my availability and willingness to
be responsive. I'd also be able to enter com's helpdesk, post a question,
trigger a 'send' and see if anybody arrived with an answer.

Dealing with abuse may or may not be required.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Wow... Every pixel could be a separate universe...
DATE:    03-May-05 01:54:25
HOST:    sverige

If there was an alternate 'mesg' switch to enable reception of
announcements of a new question from a user in com's helpdesk, I'd be able
and willing to enable it on occasion of my availability and willingness to
be responsive. I'd also be able to enter com's helpdesk, post a question,
trigger a 'send' and see if anybody arrived with an answer.

Dealing with abuse may or may not be required.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Bush said
DATE:    04-Sep-05 13:17:23
HOST:    sverige

Identifying Bush as the guy who gutted FEMA and put the whole operation in
the incompetent hands of political whores without experience or talents is
just a matter of hitorical fact.

There's nothing "lame" about fact; or about cause and effect.


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Bush said
DATE:    04-Sep-05 13:17:23
HOST:    sverige

Identifying Bush as the guy who gutted FEMA and put the whole operation in
the incompetent hands of political whores without experience or talents is
just a matter of hitorical fact.

There's nothing "lame" about fact; or about cause and effect.


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Bush said
DATE:    10-Sep-05 01:38:10
HOST:    sverige

The pResident, Bush Junior, is SOLELY responsible for gutting FEMA and
loading its management, and that of DHS, with political hacks who have no
more competence for their assignments than does his own spoiled idiocy.

If you'd like to apologize for the moron, please start a bulletin listing
all the things he and his team have done which Americans can really be
proud of. The exercise will surely be worth your 'while'.

Thank you for your understanding.




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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Bush said
DATE:    10-Sep-05 01:38:10
HOST:    sverige

The pResident, Bush Junior, is SOLELY responsible for gutting FEMA and
loading its management, and that of DHS, with political hacks who have no
more competence for their assignments than does his own spoiled idiocy.

If you'd like to apologize for the moron, please start a bulletin listing
all the things he and his team have done which Americans can really be
proud of. The exercise will surely be worth your 'while'.

Thank you for your understanding.




TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. preparedness
DATE:    07-Sep-05 01:37:57
HOST:    sverige

Good point. One of the inane blatherers on CNN was chastizing a resident
for not evacuating some earlier storm somewhere. The resident responded
that he had experienced several Pacific typhoons, and he knew exactly what
he was up against here and how to cope with it.


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. preparedness
DATE:    07-Sep-05 01:37:57
HOST:    sverige

Good point. One of the inane blatherers on CNN was chastizing a resident
for not evacuating some earlier storm somewhere. The resident responded
that he had experienced several Pacific typhoons, and he knew exactly what
he was up against here and how to cope with it.


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Toxic chemicals in flood water
DATE:    11-Sep-05 05:59:36
HOST:    sverige

or ... use it as an excuse to completely rebuild and gentrify the city.


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Toxic chemicals in flood water
DATE:    11-Sep-05 05:59:36
HOST:    sverige

or ... use it as an excuse to completely rebuild and gentrify the city.


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. holy shit!
DATE:    17-Sep-05 12:56:24
HOST:    sverige

http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html?uc_full_date=20050915

"that part of the world"

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. holy shit!
DATE:    17-Sep-05 12:56:24
HOST:    sverige

http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html?uc_full_date=20050915

"that part of the world"

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Some websites
DATE:    28-Aug-05 21:05:12
HOST:    sverige

http://avoyager.freeshell.org/Hurricane_Links.html

http://www.nola.com/hurricane/?/washingaway/

This storm is the second strongest/biggest in recorded history; and its
path will seriously harm very many people for quite a long time.

The roadway backups are starting to look scary via CNN. The evacuation
needs to be moving, not standing still.



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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Some websites
DATE:    28-Aug-05 21:05:12
HOST:    sverige

http://avoyager.freeshell.org/Hurricane_Links.html

http://www.nola.com/hurricane/?/washingaway/

This storm is the second strongest/biggest in recorded history; and its
path will seriously harm very many people for quite a long time.

The roadway backups are starting to look scary via CNN. The evacuation
needs to be moving, not standing still.



TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. chilling outlook
DATE:    31-Aug-05 13:25:02
HOST:    sverige

Ah shit; we're losing the city. This is looking to be worse than
anticipated, when considered with the entire coastal region which has been
devastated.

Amphibious and airlift requred en masse immediately.

Far far worse than the WTC collapse in 2001, in every way.


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. chilling outlook
DATE:    31-Aug-05 13:25:02
HOST:    sverige

Ah shit; we're losing the city. This is looking to be worse than
anticipated, when considered with the entire coastal region which has been
devastated.

Amphibious and airlift requred en masse immediately.

Far far worse than the WTC collapse in 2001, in every way.


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. wow
DATE:    31-Aug-05 15:45:30
HOST:    sverige

I keep hoping for somebody other than me to say, "No, Miles. It looks like
a big storm surge came through and knocked over everything in its path. It
has nothing to do with $WAR_IMAGE."

Meanwhile, the vast bureaucracy is churning and churning and everybody is
saying very nice things about each other.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. wow
DATE:    31-Aug-05 15:45:30
HOST:    sverige

I keep hoping for somebody other than me to say, "No, Miles. It looks like
a big storm surge came through and knocked over everything in its path. It
has nothing to do with $WAR_IMAGE."

Meanwhile, the vast bureaucracy is churning and churning and everybody is
saying very nice things about each other.

....................TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. resizing too tall windows
DATE:    23-Mar-05 04:03:46
HOST:    sverige

WAG ...

can you, from the "desktop" somewhere, 'tile' or 'cascade' all windows?

or, a task manager of sorts which will provide option to 'move' the window
with a mouse anchor anyplace, rather than just in the header?

/end WAG

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. resizing too tall windows
DATE:    23-Mar-05 04:03:46
HOST:    sverige

WAG ...

can you, from the "desktop" somewhere, 'tile' or 'cascade' all windows?

or, a task manager of sorts which will provide option to 'move' the window
with a mouse anchor anyplace, rather than just in the header?

/end WAG

.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. spamcop blocking legit mail
DATE:    01-Aug-05 14:06:24
HOST:    sverige

Jeff, your problem isn't quite clear to me. Which system en route from
sender to receiver is applying either the spamcop or the ordb checks? Feel
free to post or email raw evidence.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. spamcop blocking legit mail
DATE:    01-Aug-05 14:06:24
HOST:    sverige

Jeff, your problem isn't quite clear to me. Which system en route from
sender to receiver is applying either the spamcop or the ordb checks? Feel
free to post or email raw evidence.

.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. bondedsender.org
DATE:    05-Aug-05 21:59:23
HOST:    sverige

Here's another very good blocklist checker site:
http://moensted.dk/spam/

It isn't up as I post this; hopefully only a temporary routing or hosting
problem.


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. bondedsender.org
DATE:    05-Aug-05 21:59:23
HOST:    sverige

Here's another very good blocklist checker site:
http://moensted.dk/spam/

It isn't up as I post this; hopefully only a temporary routing or hosting
problem.


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. find a message within pine
DATE:    06-May-05 14:37:43
HOST:    sverige

from within Pine, find the saved-messages folder and search for it with
'W'hereis command key.

You may have saved it externally, in which case, ...

grep -ilrs Chiavari ~/




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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. find a message within pine
DATE:    06-May-05 14:37:43
HOST:    sverige

from within Pine, find the saved-messages folder and search for it with
'W'hereis command key.

You may have saved it externally, in which case, ...

grep -ilrs Chiavari ~/




.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Mail forwarding
DATE:    11-Aug-05 18:37:40
HOST:    sverige

study up on the use of .forward file
I don't know of anything on SDF which describes it.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Mail forwarding
DATE:    11-Aug-05 18:37:40
HOST:    sverige

study up on the use of .forward file
I don't know of anything on SDF which describes it.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Humorous bounce
DATE:    13-Jul-05 12:50:55
HOST:    sverige

An increasing number of MTAs are now using the "Fix reverse DNS" check.

Admins who don't own their IPs have always had difficulty getting the IP
owner to respond. What I've seen to alleviate this is for IP owners to add
PTR records to a host in the user's zone; the the user then adds a CNAME
record from that host to the one they want to use. And it seems to work.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Humorous bounce
DATE:    13-Jul-05 12:50:55
HOST:    sverige

An increasing number of MTAs are now using the "Fix reverse DNS" check.

Admins who don't own their IPs have always had difficulty getting the IP
owner to respond. What I've seen to alleviate this is for IP owners to add
PTR records to a host in the user's zone; the the user then adds a CNAME
record from that host to the one they want to use. And it seems to work.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. html emails = evil
DATE:    16-Jun-05 14:42:17
HOST:    sverige

in other words, it would be much more net friendly to whitelist your
cronies before testing for html mail.

I've learned that ALL email addresses should be considered disposable. The
downside is those systems (including my former ISP) which refuse to reject
mail during SMTP and regularly accept it then delete it; thus senders never
learn that their mail was not delivered; and spammers never get stuck with
a ton of undeliverable mail clogging their own systems.

This, by the way, is imho the Net's greatest failure and the sole reason
why the spam problem continues.

since you asked :)


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. html emails = evil
DATE:    16-Jun-05 14:42:17
HOST:    sverige

in other words, it would be much more net friendly to whitelist your
cronies before testing for html mail.

I've learned that ALL email addresses should be considered disposable. The
downside is those systems (including my former ISP) which refuse to reject
mail during SMTP and regularly accept it then delete it; thus senders never
learn that their mail was not delivered; and spammers never get stuck with
a ton of undeliverable mail clogging their own systems.

This, by the way, is imho the Net's greatest failure and the sole reason
why the spam problem continues.

since you asked :)


.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Blacklists
DATE:    01-Aug-05 14:03:31
HOST:    sverige

Maybe smj needs to revisit the 'nospam' utility after mixing things up
between mx and ol or whatever; but right now it doesn't work completely.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Blacklists
DATE:    01-Aug-05 14:03:31
HOST:    sverige

Maybe smj needs to revisit the 'nospam' utility after mixing things up
between mx and ol or whatever; but right now it doesn't work completely.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Blacklists
DATE:    01-Aug-05 15:05:06
HOST:    sverige

I'm not sure that anything is "wrong". You might run nospam yourself and
see what you learn.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Blacklists
DATE:    01-Aug-05 15:05:06
HOST:    sverige

I'm not sure that anything is "wrong". You might run nospam yourself and
see what you learn.

..TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. help - can't delete large email from incoming mail list
DATE:    30-Jun-05 13:57:24
HOST:    sverige

First, use 'mail' to read you other mail; then delete $MAIL
it's just a file :)

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. help - can't delete large email from incoming mail list
DATE:    30-Jun-05 13:57:24
HOST:    sverige

First, use 'mail' to read you other mail; then delete $MAIL
it's just a file :)

...TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. cnn and runaway bride
DATE:    09-May-05 13:04:37
HOST:    sverige

FAIR's CounterSpin segment covered this runaway-bride item nicely, together
with other notable content .... http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2510

No transcript, but the 28 minute, 13.5MB file is worth hearing in my
opinion; contains some remarkable view of Don Imus whom I'd never heard of.

May 1, 2005 -- DON Imus didn't like being called "a cantankerous old fool"
by MSNBC's Contessa Brewer on PAGE SIX. Brewer, a former news reader on
Imus' show, also said the I-man doesn't know how to relate to "beautiful
women." "With that fat ass she's got, she wouldn't be one of 'em," Imus
said on the air Friday. "That skank has to spend three hours with makeup in
the morning ... Who's she kidding? . . . Plus, she's dumber than dirt ...
Oh, my God, what a pig. But I was willing to cut her some slack and not say
anything, you know, until - in fact, I didn't say anything . . . That's why
they have those big double-doors there at MSNBC, you know, so they can get
her fat ass in makeup."


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. cnn and runaway bride
DATE:    09-May-05 13:04:37
HOST:    sverige

FAIR's CounterSpin segment covered this runaway-bride item nicely, together
with other notable content .... http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2510

No transcript, but the 28 minute, 13.5MB file is worth hearing in my
opinion; contains some remarkable view of Don Imus whom I'd never heard of.

May 1, 2005 -- DON Imus didn't like being called "a cantankerous old fool"
by MSNBC's Contessa Brewer on PAGE SIX. Brewer, a former news reader on
Imus' show, also said the I-man doesn't know how to relate to "beautiful
women." "With that fat ass she's got, she wouldn't be one of 'em," Imus
said on the air Friday. "That skank has to spend three hours with makeup in
the morning ... Who's she kidding? . . . Plus, she's dumber than dirt ...
Oh, my God, what a pig. But I was willing to cut her some slack and not say
anything, you know, until - in fact, I didn't say anything . . . That's why
they have those big double-doors there at MSNBC, you know, so they can get
her fat ass in makeup."


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Bill Moyers is the man
DATE:    17-May-05 12:06:58
HOST:    sverige

get your own audio of Moyers' presentation at
http://www.freepress.net/conference/audio05/moyers.mp3

"the one thing they loathe more than liberals is the truth. And the
quickest way to be damned by them as liberal is to tell the truth."

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Bill Moyers is the man
DATE:    17-May-05 12:06:58
HOST:    sverige

get your own audio of Moyers' presentation at
http://www.freepress.net/conference/audio05/moyers.mp3

"the one thing they loathe more than liberals is the truth. And the
quickest way to be damned by them as liberal is to tell the truth."

TACKER:  rejjy (MetaARPA avoyager)
SUBJECT: .. weee, special people =)
DATE:    30-May-05 15:00:47
HOST:    norge

pre-validated user writes to META list

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TACKER:  rejjy (MetaARPA avoyager)
SUBJECT: .. weee, special people =)
DATE:    30-May-05 15:00:47
HOST:    norge

pre-validated user writes to META list

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. MetaARPA websites..?
DATE:    07-Jun-05 01:27:08
HOST:    sverige

>what say you all?

"nonsense"; but only because you asked.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. MetaARPA websites..?
DATE:    07-Jun-05 01:27:08
HOST:    sverige

>what say you all?

"nonsense"; but only because you asked.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. screen death
DATE:    03-Aug-05 22:31:23
HOST:    sverige

Stephen, "sverige, as promised, was not dropped to single user mode to
ensure 'screen' processes would continue running."

Now that this has happened, is there something which we can do to test, or
keep an eye out for, to see that not dropping to single user is "an OK
thing to do"??


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. screen death
DATE:    03-Aug-05 22:31:23
HOST:    sverige

Stephen, "sverige, as promised, was not dropped to single user mode to
ensure 'screen' processes would continue running."

Now that this has happened, is there something which we can do to test, or
keep an eye out for, to see that not dropping to single user is "an OK
thing to do"??


TACKER:  smj (Stephen Jones)
SUBJECT: .. screen death
DATE:    03-Aug-05 22:59:20
HOST:    ol

Yes, ps shows all screened processes remained running since they were
started (not the tty's which show processes that have been reattached
to while ?? ttys are ones that are deattached).

   root   1213  ??  Tue04PM  0:01.11 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root   2412  ??  Mon12AM  0:00.39 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root   2616  ??   5:18AM  0:00.02 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root   5465  ??  26Jul05  0:07.12 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root   6028  ??  Tue12PM  0:02.91 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root   6063  ??  26Jul05  0:10.22 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root   6461  ??  26Jul05  0:47.12 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root   6744  ??  Sun04AM  0:04.66 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root   9752  ??   6:39PM  0:01.49 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  10220  ??   9:34PM  0:00.56 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  10533  ??   9:06PM  0:00.04 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  12818  ??  Thu04AM  0:03.91 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  14393  ??   4:03PM  0:02.41 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  16719  ??  Fri09PM  0:06.61 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  18998  ??  Sat08PM  0:02.15 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  20615  ??  Sun04PM  0:01.41 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  21068  ??  Tue03AM  0:00.14 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  21342  ??  27Jul05  0:03.49 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  22789  ??   8:31PM  0:00.07 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  23292  ??  Thu05PM  0:03.02 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  24052  ??  Sat08AM  0:00.48 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  24304  ??   9:16PM  0:00.06 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  29585  ??  Sat10PM  0:22.56 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
     br  18026  p9   1:56AM  0:00.21 /usr/pkg/bin/screen-4.0.2
 xcitor  22349  pd   9:34PM  0:00.03 /usr/pkg/bin/screen-4.0.2
    ace  16848  qb   9:43PM  0:00.03 /usr/pkg/bin/screen-4.0.2
rediske  16428  qf  Mon02AM  0:00.65 /usr/pkg/bin/screen-4.0.2
  mbays  10514  r9  10:13PM  0:00.02 /usr/pkg/bin/screen-4.0.2
sorensen  25782  s4   4:03PM  0:00.08 /usr/pkg/bin/screen-4.0.2
    tjh  10119  t1   6:54PM  0:00.06 /usr/pkg/bin/screen-4.0.2
avoyager  15374  po  10:25PM  0:00.02 /usr/pkg/bin/screen-4.0.2

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TACKER:  smj (Stephen Jones)
SUBJECT: .. screen death
DATE:    03-Aug-05 22:59:20
HOST:    ol

Yes, ps shows all screened processes remained running since they were
started (not the tty's which show processes that have been reattached
to while ?? ttys are ones that are deattached).

   root   1213  ??  Tue04PM  0:01.11 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root   2412  ??  Mon12AM  0:00.39 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root   2616  ??   5:18AM  0:00.02 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root   5465  ??  26Jul05  0:07.12 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root   6028  ??  Tue12PM  0:02.91 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root   6063  ??  26Jul05  0:10.22 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root   6461  ??  26Jul05  0:47.12 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root   6744  ??  Sun04AM  0:04.66 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root   9752  ??   6:39PM  0:01.49 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  10220  ??   9:34PM  0:00.56 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  10533  ??   9:06PM  0:00.04 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  12818  ??  Thu04AM  0:03.91 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  14393  ??   4:03PM  0:02.41 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  16719  ??  Fri09PM  0:06.61 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  18998  ??  Sat08PM  0:02.15 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  20615  ??  Sun04PM  0:01.41 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  21068  ??  Tue03AM  0:00.14 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  21342  ??  27Jul05  0:03.49 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  22789  ??   8:31PM  0:00.07 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  23292  ??  Thu05PM  0:03.02 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  24052  ??  Sat08AM  0:00.48 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  24304  ??   9:16PM  0:00.06 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
   root  29585  ??  Sat10PM  0:22.56 /usr/pkg/bin/SCREEN-4.0.2
     br  18026  p9   1:56AM  0:00.21 /usr/pkg/bin/screen-4.0.2
 xcitor  22349  pd   9:34PM  0:00.03 /usr/pkg/bin/screen-4.0.2
    ace  16848  qb   9:43PM  0:00.03 /usr/pkg/bin/screen-4.0.2
rediske  16428  qf  Mon02AM  0:00.65 /usr/pkg/bin/screen-4.0.2
  mbays  10514  r9  10:13PM  0:00.02 /usr/pkg/bin/screen-4.0.2
sorensen  25782  s4   4:03PM  0:00.08 /usr/pkg/bin/screen-4.0.2
    tjh  10119  t1   6:54PM  0:00.06 /usr/pkg/bin/screen-4.0.2
avoyager  15374  po  10:25PM  0:00.02 /usr/pkg/bin/screen-4.0.2

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. screen death
DATE:    04-Aug-05 00:50:20
HOST:    sverige

oh yes; I'm a prime beneficiary of screen sessions not lost; my concern and
question is not about whether or not screen users are OK, but about sverige
being OK for not having been dropped into single user state.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. screen death
DATE:    04-Aug-05 00:50:20
HOST:    sverige

oh yes; I'm a prime beneficiary of screen sessions not lost; my concern and
question is not about whether or not screen users are OK, but about sverige
being OK for not having been dropped into single user state.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. screen death
DATE:    26-Jul-05 19:31:56
HOST:    sverige

I've seen, including just now, "screen death" associated with ol going
down, or perhaps also in the case mentioned earlier in this thread, when
NFS (or ol) becomes unresponsive.


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. screen death
DATE:    26-Jul-05 19:31:56
HOST:    sverige

I've seen, including just now, "screen death" associated with ol going
down, or perhaps also in the case mentioned earlier in this thread, when
NFS (or ol) becomes unresponsive.


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. screen death
DATE:    26-Jul-05 22:15:59
HOST:    sverige

Stephen, just to clarify, I didn't sense that any of us were complaining
about losing screen sessions; but rather, we were just curious to
understand. Thanks for caring :)

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. screen death
DATE:    26-Jul-05 22:15:59
HOST:    sverige

Stephen, just to clarify, I didn't sense that any of us were complaining
about losing screen sessions; but rather, we were just curious to
understand. Thanks for caring :)

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. disabling sdf.lonestar.org
DATE:    26-Jun-05 14:37:11
HOST:    sverige

The reason for not bouncing spam is that the bounce probably just targets
another innocent victim whose address was forged into the original spam.

The best practice, in my view, is to refuse to accept the spam during smtp;
leaving it on the sending system, which would then be responsible for
notifying the sending party of undeliverable mail in the case of false
positive spam ID or in this case of addy does not exist.

I have not tested to see how this is currently handled at SDF.

It seems possible that smj could, if so inspired, insert a mail filtering
rule which whitelists local intra-sdf messages, and maybe even local
forward files :)



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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. disabling sdf.lonestar.org
DATE:    26-Jun-05 14:37:11
HOST:    sverige

The reason for not bouncing spam is that the bounce probably just targets
another innocent victim whose address was forged into the original spam.

The best practice, in my view, is to refuse to accept the spam during smtp;
leaving it on the sending system, which would then be responsible for
notifying the sending party of undeliverable mail in the case of false
positive spam ID or in this case of addy does not exist.

I have not tested to see how this is currently handled at SDF.

It seems possible that smj could, if so inspired, insert a mail filtering
rule which whitelists local intra-sdf messages, and maybe even local
forward files :)



TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. disabling sdf.lonestar.org
DATE:    27-Jun-05 17:16:25
HOST:    sverige

an additional option to barnacle's list of two is to keep the
@sdf.lonestar.org domain, whitelist @sdf.lonestar.org senders and delete
the others.

It should be obvious that if both sender and recipient have disabled the
common address, then they won't be able to mail each other without prior
collaboration.


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. disabling sdf.lonestar.org
DATE:    27-Jun-05 17:16:25
HOST:    sverige

an additional option to barnacle's list of two is to keep the
@sdf.lonestar.org domain, whitelist @sdf.lonestar.org senders and delete
the others.

It should be obvious that if both sender and recipient have disabled the
common address, then they won't be able to mail each other without prior
collaboration.


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. The Corporation
DATE:    09-Nov-05 23:29:06
HOST:    sverige

I have seen it; first acquired via torrent; then by purchase. It had some
exposure at theaters, but not near as much as it deserves; and hardly any
press mention (to my limited awareness).

There have been some really outstanding films made in Canada and Great
Britain which I wish more Americans had more exposure and access to; and
which I've been able to see only by  virtue of bittorrent.

From my perspective, any venom directable toward bittorrent and other open
sharing ought to be directed against the willful and insipient censorhip to
which American citizens (officially "consumers") are now subjected.

Other notable examples include:
The Power of Nightmares by Adam Curtis
The Century of Self by Adam Curtis
The End of Suburbia by Barrie Zwicker
and excellent biographies of Bush and Cheney by the CBC.
I wish I had  better access to the works of John Pilger.

And some stuff just never does see the public in mass, but is at least
publicly available:
http://www.mediaed.org/videos/CommercialismPoliticsAndMedia/Hijacking_Catastrophe
http://www.truthuncovered.com/

Robert Greenwald has a new one trying to break the media barrier, and with
support of MoveOn.org, "Wal-Mart; the high cost of low price"
http://www.walmartmovie.com/fear_and_smear.php

so you raise this topic at an opportune moment.

Readers interested in possibly dated .torrents mentioned above are
encouraged to look closer (hint), or to inquire directly.

Peace!
-avo



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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. The Corporation
DATE:    09-Nov-05 23:29:06
HOST:    sverige

I have seen it; first acquired via torrent; then by purchase. It had some
exposure at theaters, but not near as much as it deserves; and hardly any
press mention (to my limited awareness).

There have been some really outstanding films made in Canada and Great
Britain which I wish more Americans had more exposure and access to; and
which I've been able to see only by  virtue of bittorrent.

From my perspective, any venom directable toward bittorrent and other open
sharing ought to be directed against the willful and insipient censorhip to
which American citizens (officially "consumers") are now subjected.

Other notable examples include:
The Power of Nightmares by Adam Curtis
The Century of Self by Adam Curtis
The End of Suburbia by Barrie Zwicker
and excellent biographies of Bush and Cheney by the CBC.
I wish I had  better access to the works of John Pilger.

And some stuff just never does see the public in mass, but is at least
publicly available:
http://www.mediaed.org/videos/CommercialismPoliticsAndMedia/Hijacking_Catastrophe
http://www.truthuncovered.com/

Robert Greenwald has a new one trying to break the media barrier, and with
support of MoveOn.org, "Wal-Mart; the high cost of low price"
http://www.walmartmovie.com/fear_and_smear.php

so you raise this topic at an opportune moment.

Readers interested in possibly dated .torrents mentioned above are
encouraged to look closer (hint), or to inquire directly.

Peace!
-avo



TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. The Corporation
DATE:    09-Nov-05 23:59:52
HOST:    sverige

also, here's the official website of "The Corporation"

http://www.thecorporation.com/

(and I forgot to include indirectly disparinging remarks about the
pre-eminent U.S. documentarian who should avoid other people's cameras)

;-}

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. The Corporation
DATE:    09-Nov-05 23:59:52
HOST:    sverige

also, here's the official website of "The Corporation"

http://www.thecorporation.com/

(and I forgot to include indirectly disparinging remarks about the
pre-eminent U.S. documentarian who should avoid other people's cameras)

;-}

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Perfectly good white boys
DATE:    29-Sep-05 13:09:38
HOST:    sverige

It's possible ... that each use is independent of the other; given that
they both/each are making back reference, specifically perhaps a sarcastic
back reference, to a race-reversed phrase "in common usage"?? from the
past.

<MOVIES.29-Sep-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Perfectly good white boys
DATE:    29-Sep-05 13:09:38
HOST:    sverige

It's possible ... that each use is independent of the other; given that
they both/each are making back reference, specifically perhaps a sarcastic
back reference, to a race-reversed phrase "in common usage"?? from the
past.

..TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. The Allman Brothers Band
DATE:    02-Feb-05 13:03:41
HOST:    sverige

"Layla" is an extraordinary piece of hard driving rock; right up there with
Hendrix' "Watchtower" and Joplin' "Bobby McGee" and [quite] a few others
which just make you have to get up and engaged with it.

But it's also a very pretty song. I think it'd work into a wedding, due to
the way it has more "flow" than "beat", a quality which Clapton seems to
credit to Jim Gordon (drummer!)
[http://www.clapton-online.com/clapton/hist/echistus5.html]

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. The Allman Brothers Band
DATE:    02-Feb-05 13:03:41
HOST:    sverige

"Layla" is an extraordinary piece of hard driving rock; right up there with
Hendrix' "Watchtower" and Joplin' "Bobby McGee" and [quite] a few others
which just make you have to get up and engaged with it.

But it's also a very pretty song. I think it'd work into a wedding, due to
the way it has more "flow" than "beat", a quality which Clapton seems to
credit to Jim Gordon (drummer!)
[http://www.clapton-online.com/clapton/hist/echistus5.html]

..TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. I've got a list if I can remember ..
DATE:    28-Dec-04 23:32:28
HOST:    sverige

Well, I was properly "newbie" while PIPping files between Async ports and
8" floppies on CP/M, and would today appreciate enlightenment on these
persistent understandings ...

1. Newbies tend to call a software terminal emulator 'the console'
3. Newbies think 8 bits compose a byte.

Thanks!
--Avo

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. I've got a list if I can remember ..
DATE:    28-Dec-04 23:32:28
HOST:    sverige

Well, I was properly "newbie" while PIPping files between Async ports and
8" floppies on CP/M, and would today appreciate enlightenment on these
persistent understandings ...

1. Newbies tend to call a software terminal emulator 'the console'
3. Newbies think 8 bits compose a byte.

Thanks!
--Avo

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Hunter S. Thompson
DATE:    22-Feb-05 03:07:17
HOST:    sverige

The Edge ...

There is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really
know it are the ones who have gone over. The others - the living - are
those who pushed their control as far as they felt they could, and then
pulled back, or slowed down, or did whatever they had to when it came time
to choose between Now and Later.

But the edge is still Out there. Or maybe it's In. The association of
motorcycles with LSD is no accient of publicity. They are both a means to
an end, to the place of definitions.

--Hunter S. Thompson
"Hell's Angels: A Strange and Terrible Saga", Random House, 1966

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Hunter S. Thompson
DATE:    22-Feb-05 03:07:17
HOST:    sverige

The Edge ...

There is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really
know it are the ones who have gone over. The others - the living - are
those who pushed their control as far as they felt they could, and then
pulled back, or slowed down, or did whatever they had to when it came time
to choose between Now and Later.

But the edge is still Out there. Or maybe it's In. The association of
motorcycles with LSD is no accient of publicity. They are both a means to
an end, to the place of definitions.

--Hunter S. Thompson
"Hell's Angels: A Strange and Terrible Saga", Random House, 1966

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Okay, it's too quiet here.
DATE:    03-Aug-05 16:09:23
HOST:    sverige

He's running for President. Follow the Money. While the GOP goobers argue
about stem-cell research the other important fiascos get buried by their
media.


<POLITICS.03-Aug-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Okay, it's too quiet here.
DATE:    03-Aug-05 16:09:23
HOST:    sverige

He's running for President. Follow the Money. While the GOP goobers argue
about stem-cell research the other important fiascos get buried by their
media.


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Biggest Threat to Democracy?
DATE:    04-Aug-05 13:00:37
HOST:    sverige

There is no democracy. In the U.S. there is a vote, but not by everybody,
and not free from result-altering tamperings;  there is not representation,
there is not an informed electorate. Saddam used to hold votes like we see
in the U.S., but he wasn't subsidizing the media in the process.

Oh. Yeah; he was.

<POLITICS.04-Aug-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Biggest Threat to Democracy?
DATE:    04-Aug-05 13:00:37
HOST:    sverige

There is no democracy. In the U.S. there is a vote, but not by everybody,
and not free from result-altering tamperings;  there is not representation,
there is not an informed electorate. Saddam used to hold votes like we see
in the U.S., but he wasn't subsidizing the media in the process.

Oh. Yeah; he was.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Biggest Threat to Democracy?
DATE:    04-Aug-05 19:52:52
HOST:    sverige

I didn't say "comparable" or "equal". I'll repeat myself here. Argue with
this:

There is no democracy. In the U.S. there is a vote, but not by everybody,
and not free from result-altering tamperings;  there is not representation,
there is not an informed electorate.



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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Biggest Threat to Democracy?
DATE:    04-Aug-05 19:52:52
HOST:    sverige

I didn't say "comparable" or "equal". I'll repeat myself here. Argue with
this:

There is no democracy. In the U.S. there is a vote, but not by everybody,
and not free from result-altering tamperings;  there is not representation,
there is not an informed electorate.



TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Biggest Threat to Democracy?
DATE:    06-Aug-05 22:40:33
HOST:    sverige

The russians are coming! the russians are coming! DUCK!

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Biggest Threat to Democracy?
DATE:    06-Aug-05 22:40:33
HOST:    sverige

The russians are coming! the russians are coming! DUCK!

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Biggest Threat to Democracy?
DATE:    21-Jun-05 19:07:57
HOST:    sverige

b.Corporatism is a condition wherein government serves businesses (i.e.
politicians' benefactors) rather than, even at the expense of, the public.
A perfect example of this today is the U.S.A. which is subsidizing corrupt
corporations, while plundering the treasury, at the expense of its
constitutional mandate to provide for the health, education, and welfare of
the individuals which make up its population.

Nothing short of impeachable treason at federal and state levels of
government in all three branches of government.

--since you asked





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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Biggest Threat to Democracy?
DATE:    21-Jun-05 19:07:57
HOST:    sverige

b.Corporatism is a condition wherein government serves businesses (i.e.
politicians' benefactors) rather than, even at the expense of, the public.
A perfect example of this today is the U.S.A. which is subsidizing corrupt
corporations, while plundering the treasury, at the expense of its
constitutional mandate to provide for the health, education, and welfare of
the individuals which make up its population.

Nothing short of impeachable treason at federal and state levels of
government in all three branches of government.

--since you asked





TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. The Power of Nightmares
DATE:    23-Jul-05 20:17:16
HOST:    sverige

Curtis' other docufilm, "Century of the Self", is also commendable.

Notice the timing between the London explosions and yesterday's U.S. House
passage of so-called P.A.T.R.I.O.T Act extension?

It doesn't take a conspiracy theorist to wonder how congressional debate
might have gone had there not been the London incident.

Which brings to mind the important question of "Who benefits from the
London explosions? from the 9/11/01 attacks upon the WTC?" and why do those
who do benefit, also control world economies and governments?

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. The Power of Nightmares
DATE:    23-Jul-05 20:17:16
HOST:    sverige

Curtis' other docufilm, "Century of the Self", is also commendable.

Notice the timing between the London explosions and yesterday's U.S. House
passage of so-called P.A.T.R.I.O.T Act extension?

It doesn't take a conspiracy theorist to wonder how congressional debate
might have gone had there not been the London incident.

Which brings to mind the important question of "Who benefits from the
London explosions? from the 9/11/01 attacks upon the WTC?" and why do those
who do benefit, also control world economies and governments?

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. eminent domain
DATE:    29-Jun-05 12:33:33
HOST:    sverige

Just needs to persuade three citizen selectmen, probably volunteers and
neighbors. It's probably time to register Hotel Liberty as a national
chain.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. eminent domain
DATE:    29-Jun-05 12:33:33
HOST:    sverige

Just needs to persuade three citizen selectmen, probably volunteers and
neighbors. It's probably time to register Hotel Liberty as a national
chain.

.......TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. God being a figure?
DATE:    20-Jan-05 00:15:56
HOST:    sverige

As to whether God created Man or Man created God, the question, or the
answer, goes back some 10,000 years or more, to that point where the
natural, physical embodiment had evolved to the point where this issue
became cognizant.

With such a long history, it is no suprise that the questions and answers
would themselves evolve over time. So also should those fabricated
organizations called "churches" and "religions" evolve to address the
current minds and context.

The birth and development of a physical human is pretty miraculous, and not
really made by or controlled by or even fully understood by humans.

So, it would seem that if there IS a God, we did not create it.
And if there's not, then what created us, and can't that be named God?

Cheers,
--avo

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. God being a figure?
DATE:    20-Jan-05 00:15:56
HOST:    sverige

As to whether God created Man or Man created God, the question, or the
answer, goes back some 10,000 years or more, to that point where the
natural, physical embodiment had evolved to the point where this issue
became cognizant.

With such a long history, it is no suprise that the questions and answers
would themselves evolve over time. So also should those fabricated
organizations called "churches" and "religions" evolve to address the
current minds and context.

The birth and development of a physical human is pretty miraculous, and not
really made by or controlled by or even fully understood by humans.

So, it would seem that if there IS a God, we did not create it.
And if there's not, then what created us, and can't that be named God?

Cheers,
--avo

.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. my account's buggered!
DATE:    04-Aug-05 00:44:10
HOST:    sverige

I would suggest taking the provision of

* the software does not bypass membership restrictions

to mean that you will not compile for yourself, or for anybody else, or run
any precompiled versions of, software which is provided to SDF membership
levels to which you do not belong.

For instance, screen is provided to MetaARPA members only. ARPA or
validated members should not run their own copies of screen.

The reasoning, in case it isn't obvious, is about resource usage, and of
course, trust.


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. my account's buggered!
DATE:    04-Aug-05 00:44:10
HOST:    sverige

I would suggest taking the provision of

* the software does not bypass membership restrictions

to mean that you will not compile for yourself, or for anybody else, or run
any precompiled versions of, software which is provided to SDF membership
levels to which you do not belong.

For instance, screen is provided to MetaARPA members only. ARPA or
validated members should not run their own copies of screen.

The reasoning, in case it isn't obvious, is about resource usage, and of
course, trust.


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. my account's buggered!
DATE:    04-Aug-05 01:56:53
HOST:    sverige

Now you're arguing. That will get you, here and elsewhere in life, ....

...nowhere but more trouble.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. my account's buggered!
DATE:    04-Aug-05 01:56:53
HOST:    sverige

Now you're arguing. That will get you, here and elsewhere in life, ....

...nowhere but more trouble.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. DNS Utilities
DATE:    02-May-05 15:30:48
HOST:    sverige

Thanks.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. DNS Utilities
DATE:    02-May-05 15:30:48
HOST:    sverige

Thanks.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. threats ...no response
DATE:    04-Jun-05 14:00:31
HOST:    sverige

I have no inside line on this, but it appears to me that smj has been
travelling, away from the roost, and amongst other things not collecting
postal mail.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. threats ...no response
DATE:    04-Jun-05 14:00:31
HOST:    sverige

I have no inside line on this, but it appears to me that smj has been
travelling, away from the roost, and amongst other things not collecting
postal mail.

.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Info on ARPA issue
DATE:    09-Jun-05 12:20:51
HOST:    sverige

I think that only smj can restore your settings, but here are some tips for
the future, for everyone, ...

kill -9 -1 will take out all your background processes.
always reconnect after a drop, and run ps to check; or just go ahead and
kill

check/run top after launching anything or periodically while using cgis

There may be other useful measures which I haven't discovered yet :)

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Info on ARPA issue
DATE:    09-Jun-05 12:20:51
HOST:    sverige

I think that only smj can restore your settings, but here are some tips for
the future, for everyone, ...

kill -9 -1 will take out all your background processes.
always reconnect after a drop, and run ps to check; or just go ahead and
kill

check/run top after launching anything or periodically while using cgis

There may be other useful measures which I haven't discovered yet :)

.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Power Loss and Damage
DATE:    14-Jul-05 01:05:27
HOST:    sverige

I'm sorry to hear of your loss, Robert. I'm sure it's not the first time
many of us have experienced firsthand the direct consequence of incomplete
filewrite due to catastrophic failure of one sort or another, especially on
multi-tasking systems. I don't know of any backup or redundancy strategies
which would preserve your file through a power failure, though there may be
one, I doubt it's affordable.

In your case, any recent backup would be helpful however; single flat file
that it is, wouldn't have to be restored to the same location, or if it
were, and the existing file at the location backed up to elsewhere, it
would indeed minimize your loss.

Anyway, ...
cheers? hugs? beer?

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Power Loss and Damage
DATE:    14-Jul-05 01:05:27
HOST:    sverige

I'm sorry to hear of your loss, Robert. I'm sure it's not the first time
many of us have experienced firsthand the direct consequence of incomplete
filewrite due to catastrophic failure of one sort or another, especially on
multi-tasking systems. I don't know of any backup or redundancy strategies
which would preserve your file through a power failure, though there may be
one, I doubt it's affordable.

In your case, any recent backup would be helpful however; single flat file
that it is, wouldn't have to be restored to the same location, or if it
were, and the existing file at the location backed up to elsewhere, it
would indeed minimize your loss.

Anyway, ...
cheers? hugs? beer?

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. nmap for meta arpa
DATE:    19-Apr-05 15:23:00
HOST:    sverige

My concern about nmap is that some of us might *accidently* misuse it, not
with malice or negligence, but from ignorance or carelessness.


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. nmap for meta arpa
DATE:    19-Apr-05 15:23:00
HOST:    sverige

My concern about nmap is that some of us might *accidently* misuse it, not
with malice or negligence, but from ignorance or carelessness.


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. irssi
DATE:    15-Jun-05 12:19:30
HOST:    sverige

This irssi user is also sad to see that it has been removed; and am
presently striving to be a good sdfizen by attempting compilation in /tmp

I'll post here how it went when I succeed or give up.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. irssi
DATE:    15-Jun-05 12:19:30
HOST:    sverige

This irssi user is also sad to see that it has been removed; and am
presently striving to be a good sdfizen by attempting compilation in /tmp

I'll post here how it went when I succeed or give up.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. irssi
DATE:    15-Jun-05 13:54:12
HOST:    sverige

I got one compiled without perl (or proxy or bot) support. While it's
there, you can get it from sverige:/tmp/irssi/

You're also invited to attempt your own compilations in that location. I'm
done with it for now; the result seems to be working fine for my purposes.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. irssi
DATE:    15-Jun-05 13:54:12
HOST:    sverige

I got one compiled without perl (or proxy or bot) support. While it's
there, you can get it from sverige:/tmp/irssi/

You're also invited to attempt your own compilations in that location. I'm
done with it for now; the result seems to be working fine for my purposes.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. host not found?
DATE:    15-Jun-05 20:35:30
HOST:    sverige

also 'dig' please, noting that 'host' has been restored, and with thanks
for the active responses to other requests for irssi, ruptime, and much
more. Thank you, smj. I'll send money as soon as I can.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. host not found?
DATE:    15-Jun-05 20:35:30
HOST:    sverige

also 'dig' please, noting that 'host' has been restored, and with thanks
for the active responses to other requests for irssi, ruptime, and much
more. Thank you, smj. I'll send money as soon as I can.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. helpdesk. adding to closed ticket
DATE:    17-May-05 01:29:33
HOST:    sverige

(V)iew is good; deserving of a place on the (H)elp screen, eh?

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. helpdesk. adding to closed ticket
DATE:    17-May-05 01:29:33
HOST:    sverige

(V)iew is good; deserving of a place on the (H)elp screen, eh?

.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. sdf on spamcop's list again...
DATE:    19-Nov-05 07:34:33
HOST:    sverige

One of the biggest reasons sites get listed in spamcop is when they accept
mail for delivery, and then decide that they cannot deliver it, and bounce
it back to the forged envelope sender. I don't think SDF does this, but
haven't really put tests to it. It seems that this problem exists more with
qmail based virtual/shared hosting operationns.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. sdf on spamcop's list again...
DATE:    19-Nov-05 07:34:33
HOST:    sverige

One of the biggest reasons sites get listed in spamcop is when they accept
mail for delivery, and then decide that they cannot deliver it, and bounce
it back to the forged envelope sender. I don't think SDF does this, but
haven't really put tests to it. It seems that this problem exists more with
qmail based virtual/shared hosting operationns.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. sdf on spamcop's list again...
DATE:    20-Nov-05 07:41:55
HOST:    sverige

The reponse from Don (who has been with SpamCop for a very long time)
provided an important illumination, pointing to an  SDF user who is using
SpamCop reporting services without properly configuring them. It isn't
necessarily, or particularly likely, that there is malicious intent; just
careless reporting.

By way of background, SpamCop was started as a project to parse Received
headers in order to determine the source of the spam, and to report the IP
semi-automatically.

After several years of evolution, the SpamCop reporting process implemented
a database of mail servers which legitimately handle the mail for the users
who use SC to analyze and report spam. This is the part which Don
referenced that was not properly activated by the SC user who
inadvertently or carelessly reported SDF.

OR, it could be something completely else all together.



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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. sdf on spamcop's list again...
DATE:    20-Nov-05 07:41:55
HOST:    sverige

The reponse from Don (who has been with SpamCop for a very long time)
provided an important illumination, pointing to an  SDF user who is using
SpamCop reporting services without properly configuring them. It isn't
necessarily, or particularly likely, that there is malicious intent; just
careless reporting.

By way of background, SpamCop was started as a project to parse Received
headers in order to determine the source of the spam, and to report the IP
semi-automatically.

After several years of evolution, the SpamCop reporting process implemented
a database of mail servers which legitimately handle the mail for the users
who use SC to analyze and report spam. This is the part which Don
referenced that was not properly activated by the SC user who
inadvertently or carelessly reported SDF.

OR, it could be something completely else all together.



.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Permissions
DATE:    20-Jul-05 02:20:10
HOST:    sverige

user 'root' took ownership and changed permissions; and only 'root' knows
why.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Permissions
DATE:    20-Jul-05 02:20:10
HOST:    sverige

user 'root' took ownership and changed permissions; and only 'root' knows
why.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. VNC
DATE:    21-Sep-05 00:45:32
HOST:    sverige

I'm curious how you'd use it, being a thruput intensive graphical
application. Do folks use X here in the Super Dimensional Fortress?

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. VNC
DATE:    21-Sep-05 00:45:32
HOST:    sverige

I'm curious how you'd use it, being a thruput intensive graphical
application. Do folks use X here in the Super Dimensional Fortress?

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. VNC
DATE:    22-Sep-05 00:53:20
HOST:    sverige

Workspot is pretty snappy; I'm impressed.

and thanks to Robert for the explanation.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. VNC
DATE:    22-Sep-05 00:53:20
HOST:    sverige

Workspot is pretty snappy; I'm impressed.

and thanks to Robert for the explanation.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. unkillable processes
DATE:    24-Jul-05 13:57:26
HOST:    sverige

I use "kill -9 -1"

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. unkillable processes
DATE:    24-Jul-05 13:57:26
HOST:    sverige

I use "kill -9 -1"

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. respond to helpdesk email via helpdesk
DATE:    26-Nov-05 22:03:19
HOST:    sverige

Yes. I would prefer helpdesk replies and dialog take place in helpdesk
rather then in email. That said, most, in fact all, email responders have
been very courteous and sincere; a pleasure to meet and to work with.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. respond to helpdesk email via helpdesk
DATE:    26-Nov-05 22:03:19
HOST:    sverige

Yes. I would prefer helpdesk replies and dialog take place in helpdesk
rather then in email. That said, most, in fact all, email responders have
been very courteous and sincere; a pleasure to meet and to work with.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. sverige acting a little lagged today
DATE:    27-Jun-05 17:54:18
HOST:    sverige

I also have noticed sverige, or something between hither and yon, "hanging"
for ?5-15 seconds? before responding; and I do run through some routes
which could cause this completely outside of SDF.


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. sverige acting a little lagged today
DATE:    27-Jun-05 17:54:18
HOST:    sverige

I also have noticed sverige, or something between hither and yon, "hanging"
for ?5-15 seconds? before responding; and I do run through some routes
which could cause this completely outside of SDF.


.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. motd
DATE:    29-Jun-05 04:11:44
HOST:    sverige

members with webspace in the former /www/ag/ structure will probably need
to run 'mkhomepg' in order to fix their links to the new /www/af/ location

>>/etc/motd



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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. motd
DATE:    29-Jun-05 04:11:44
HOST:    sverige

members with webspace in the former /www/ag/ structure will probably need
to run 'mkhomepg' in order to fix their links to the new /www/af/ location

>>/etc/motd



TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Perl Module Time..Object
DATE:    30-Oct-05 22:36:54
HOST:    sverige

quite so; it seems

Thank you.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Perl Module Time..Object
DATE:    30-Oct-05 22:36:54
HOST:    sverige

quite so; it seems

Thank you.

.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Discussion
DATE:    05-Jul-05 17:09:59
HOST:    sverige

If the last five years are any clue, the wacko in the white house will
nominate another complete wacko for the post, rather than some level head
who could easily get 65% support. Then he'll throw a tantrum.

A conservative would be a breath of fresh air.


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Discussion
DATE:    05-Jul-05 17:09:59
HOST:    sverige

If the last five years are any clue, the wacko in the white house will
nominate another complete wacko for the post, rather than some level head
who could easily get 65% support. Then he'll throw a tantrum.

A conservative would be a breath of fresh air.


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. enclosure/materials
DATE:    21-May-05 14:33:05
HOST:    sverige

My case won't accomodate increasing fan size. What do you have for quiet
psu and cpu_fan? I expect that these are my loudest components.

Thanks.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. enclosure/materials
DATE:    21-May-05 14:33:05
HOST:    sverige

My case won't accomodate increasing fan size. What do you have for quiet
psu and cpu_fan? I expect that these are my loudest components.

Thanks.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. enclosure/materials
DATE:    23-May-05 03:01:04
HOST:    sverige

Thanks, James for the extensive information. As it happens, I recently
added a Sonata case to the room, and was frankly disappointed to discover
that it isn't much quieter (?) than my Lian-Li which I run full time nearby
and is the target of this silencing endeavor.

Your tips on ducting are most apropos. My case sits off a carpeted floor
between my steelcase desk and wood pannelled wall. Most of its sound
pollution seems to be the PSU exhaust from Enermax 350. I'm not excited
about trying a different PSU, so absorbing or diffusing that airflow is my
primary intent.

I've been thinking to find a soundproofing material, such as the Sheetblock
you identified (thanks!), maybe together with Mineral Fiber Insulation to
suspend or drape a covering around the back, top, and sides of the computer
case, redirecting the exhaust flow around toward the front side and
reducing its sound along the way, baffling if necessary. It doesn't have to
be pretty :)

I'd be eager to replace the Volcano-7 Athlon cooler along the way.


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. enclosure/materials
DATE:    23-May-05 03:01:04
HOST:    sverige

Thanks, James for the extensive information. As it happens, I recently
added a Sonata case to the room, and was frankly disappointed to discover
that it isn't much quieter (?) than my Lian-Li which I run full time nearby
and is the target of this silencing endeavor.

Your tips on ducting are most apropos. My case sits off a carpeted floor
between my steelcase desk and wood pannelled wall. Most of its sound
pollution seems to be the PSU exhaust from Enermax 350. I'm not excited
about trying a different PSU, so absorbing or diffusing that airflow is my
primary intent.

I've been thinking to find a soundproofing material, such as the Sheetblock
you identified (thanks!), maybe together with Mineral Fiber Insulation to
suspend or drape a covering around the back, top, and sides of the computer
case, redirecting the exhaust flow around toward the front side and
reducing its sound along the way, baffling if necessary. It doesn't have to
be pretty :)

I'd be eager to replace the Volcano-7 Athlon cooler along the way.


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. enclosure/materials
DATE:    23-May-05 04:23:17
HOST:    sverige

Nice, wm!
Following the links, "pure mineral oil" is preferred to ordinary cooking
oil. That's a really very clever approach to cooling, which takes care of
most  noise; and with the addition of color and backlighting, an
outstanding project indeed.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. enclosure/materials
DATE:    23-May-05 04:23:17
HOST:    sverige

Nice, wm!
Following the links, "pure mineral oil" is preferred to ordinary cooking
oil. That's a really very clever approach to cooling, which takes care of
most  noise; and with the addition of color and backlighting, an
outstanding project indeed.

.....TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. quieting a system?
DATE:    07-Nov-05 14:02:35
HOST:    sverige

>it was an IBM KB-8923

That's what I use. Don't drop that baby on your foot!

Mine needs an internal cleaning however; has become "enthusiastic" with
hyper-keyrate intermittent.

Is anything like these produced today?

--

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. quieting a system?
DATE:    07-Nov-05 14:02:35
HOST:    sverige

>it was an IBM KB-8923

That's what I use. Don't drop that baby on your foot!

Mine needs an internal cleaning however; has become "enthusiastic" with
hyper-keyrate intermittent.

Is anything like these produced today?

--

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. quieting a system?
DATE:    30-Oct-05 22:40:10
HOST:    sverige

Which quiet power supply did you replace it with?

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. quieting a system?
DATE:    30-Oct-05 22:40:10
HOST:    sverige

Which quiet power supply did you replace it with?

.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Looking for a Moo Cows ..
DATE:    22-Jun-05 20:25:44
HOST:    sverige

I've never been involved in any kind of MOO or MUD before. I see that 'tf'
is installed here as a client. Should I use that to get my feet wet? Is
there a THX based server operating which I should visit for newbie
orientation?

Catchin' my drift?

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Looking for a Moo Cows ..
DATE:    22-Jun-05 20:25:44
HOST:    sverige

I've never been involved in any kind of MOO or MUD before. I see that 'tf'
is installed here as a client. Should I use that to get my feet wet? Is
there a THX based server operating which I should visit for newbie
orientation?

Catchin' my drift?

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Some active volcano
DATE:    04-Jan-05 03:36:49
HOST:    sverige

It should be noted that I saw a documentary on the North Atlantic  super
Tsunami over a year or two ago on television.

It started with research into a glacier breaking off into the Gulf of
Alaska, causing water to wash over a nearby island, and was also detected
as far distant as  Hawaii.

So the researchers went looking for the worst possible scenario in all the
oceans. I don't recall the N.Atlantic discovery as being triggered by
volcano, but it was a very large chunck of a former volcano which breaks
off and falls into the N.Atlantic, on the west side of some island near the
Canarys.

Ocean waters would rush inland several miles into N.America; washing
everything off Florida of course.

I don't recall if the documentary was on PBS or Discovery or otherwise.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Some active volcano
DATE:    04-Jan-05 03:36:49
HOST:    sverige

It should be noted that I saw a documentary on the North Atlantic  super
Tsunami over a year or two ago on television.

It started with research into a glacier breaking off into the Gulf of
Alaska, causing water to wash over a nearby island, and was also detected
as far distant as  Hawaii.

So the researchers went looking for the worst possible scenario in all the
oceans. I don't recall the N.Atlantic discovery as being triggered by
volcano, but it was a very large chunck of a former volcano which breaks
off and falls into the N.Atlantic, on the west side of some island near the
Canarys.

Ocean waters would rush inland several miles into N.America; washing
everything off Florida of course.

I don't recall if the documentary was on PBS or Discovery or otherwise.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Some active volcano
DATE:    08-Jan-05 20:49:11
HOST:    sverige

I found the documentary, called Mega-Tsunamis on Discovery Channel.
Original Airdate: February 19, 2001. Currently showing.

ref.
http://dsc.discovery.com/schedule/series.jsp?series=23086&gid=0&channel=DSC

Indeed, volcanic island, La Palma, in the Canaries. Last big event reformed
the Bahamas.

From inception to impact on N.America, estimated 8 hours.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Some active volcano
DATE:    08-Jan-05 20:49:11
HOST:    sverige

I found the documentary, called Mega-Tsunamis on Discovery Channel.
Original Airdate: February 19, 2001. Currently showing.

ref.
http://dsc.discovery.com/schedule/series.jsp?series=23086&gid=0&channel=DSC

Indeed, volcanic island, La Palma, in the Canaries. Last big event reformed
the Bahamas.

From inception to impact on N.America, estimated 8 hours.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Ask yourself this ..
DATE:    28-Dec-04 04:44:15
HOST:    sverige

Attributing earthquakes, volcanoes, floods, drought, weather, etc.
demonstrates a complete failure to understand either natural science or
God.



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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Ask yourself this ..
DATE:    28-Dec-04 04:44:15
HOST:    sverige

Attributing earthquakes, volcanoes, floods, drought, weather, etc.
demonstrates a complete failure to understand either natural science or
God.



..TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Any experiences with these?
DATE:    18-May-05 13:38:48
HOST:    sverige

Christopher, all I see at 360-hosting.com is standard shared hosting.

Virtual Private/Dedicated Servers are independent rebootable reconfigurable
virtual *servers* running on a single computer; offering the user account
something like 10GB of disk space, 500GB monthly xfer, 256MB RAM guaranteed
minimum, and a bootable OS with which you can do as you please.

They are dedicated servers sharing hardware.


<VPSVDS.18-May-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Any experiences with these?
DATE:    18-May-05 13:38:48
HOST:    sverige

Christopher, all I see at 360-hosting.com is standard shared hosting.

Virtual Private/Dedicated Servers are independent rebootable reconfigurable
virtual *servers* running on a single computer; offering the user account
something like 10GB of disk space, 500GB monthly xfer, 256MB RAM guaranteed
minimum, and a bootable OS with which you can do as you please.

They are dedicated servers sharing hardware.


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. "We will never surrender!"
DATE:    12-Jul-05 21:45:05
HOST:    sverige

http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html?uc_full_date=20050707


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. "We will never surrender!"
DATE:    12-Jul-05 21:45:05
HOST:    sverige

http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html?uc_full_date=20050707


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Next President?
DATE:    21-Dec-04 19:41:17
HOST:    sverige

now that the takeover is complete and un-challenged, it'll either be
Ahnaald, or look for a constitutional amendment to enable the current
doofus to stay forever.

Don't change horses in mid-Apocolypse.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Next President?
DATE:    21-Dec-04 19:41:17
HOST:    sverige

now that the takeover is complete and un-challenged, it'll either be
Ahnaald, or look for a constitutional amendment to enable the current
doofus to stay forever.

Don't change horses in mid-Apocolypse.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. The Power of Nightmares
DATE:    23-Jan-05 15:57:03
HOST:    sverige

I heartily endorse watching this series.
Torrent files available http://avoyager.freeshell.org/

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. The Power of Nightmares
DATE:    23-Jan-05 15:57:03
HOST:    sverige

I heartily endorse watching this series.
Torrent files available http://avoyager.freeshell.org/

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. severe crisis in South Dakota
DATE:    01-Dec-05 22:10:40
HOST:    sverige

yes, the BBC has been covering the Gulf Stream lately also.


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. severe crisis in South Dakota
DATE:    01-Dec-05 22:10:40
HOST:    sverige

yes, the BBC has been covering the Gulf Stream lately also.


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. hurricanes and global warming
DATE:    02-Dec-05 20:22:01
HOST:    sverige

I don't know who advocates (as distinct from talking about, as slack media
might) seriously that global warming "causes" extreme hurrican season or
even hurricanes at all.

It might be more reasonable to consider whether the extreme burricane
season is just another evidence of whatever is causing ocean levels to
drown long habitated atolls, and glaciers to melt and break up at rates far
exceeding historic trends, amongst other observed events of relative
interest.

My initial point was only that disassociation based upon a single parameter
of warmer waters is no more legitimate than association based upon a
single parameter of air temperatures.

And in today's civic-political climate, any university or other research in
the U.S. will certainly take the big heat and suffering if they assert or
support any science which does not fit into the ruling political
ideologies. Accordingly, we may have to interperate true intent from
between the lines of the statements actually made.



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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. hurricanes and global warming
DATE:    02-Dec-05 20:22:01
HOST:    sverige

I don't know who advocates (as distinct from talking about, as slack media
might) seriously that global warming "causes" extreme hurrican season or
even hurricanes at all.

It might be more reasonable to consider whether the extreme burricane
season is just another evidence of whatever is causing ocean levels to
drown long habitated atolls, and glaciers to melt and break up at rates far
exceeding historic trends, amongst other observed events of relative
interest.

My initial point was only that disassociation based upon a single parameter
of warmer waters is no more legitimate than association based upon a
single parameter of air temperatures.

And in today's civic-political climate, any university or other research in
the U.S. will certainly take the big heat and suffering if they assert or
support any science which does not fit into the ruling political
ideologies. Accordingly, we may have to interperate true intent from
between the lines of the statements actually made.



TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. hurricanes and global warming
DATE:    03-Dec-05 20:42:11
HOST:    sverige

Fred, I'm interested in understanding your use of "cosmic" in this
discussion. Your explanation is welcome to presume that I understand  more
than a little something about spirituality and astrology.

For my part, being perhaps the third oldest gentleman in the membership and
acknowledging your rank at the top, it's quite clear that all things
commonly and incorrectly attributed as "acts of God" have absolutely
nothing whatsoever to do with God, but are well understood in their
entirety as natural processes. Very well understood, and very natural,
appropriate to the physical universe of nature; not to the spiritual
universe of the divine within which we also exist interactively without
constraints of time, space, or other natural and physical parameters.

I just saw a fine documentary on the "little ice age" of the 14-17th
centuries; very interesting and important to the development of
civilization in Europe and North America.

If you get a chance and inclination, I recommend the National Geographic
film "March of the Penguins". Aside from the amazing photography and
fascinating information, it reveals frequently how very very close they,
and perhaps we, are to extinction, due to factors *mostly* beyond their/our
control, be those factors natural or "cosmic".









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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. hurricanes and global warming
DATE:    03-Dec-05 20:42:11
HOST:    sverige

Fred, I'm interested in understanding your use of "cosmic" in this
discussion. Your explanation is welcome to presume that I understand  more
than a little something about spirituality and astrology.

For my part, being perhaps the third oldest gentleman in the membership and
acknowledging your rank at the top, it's quite clear that all things
commonly and incorrectly attributed as "acts of God" have absolutely
nothing whatsoever to do with God, but are well understood in their
entirety as natural processes. Very well understood, and very natural,
appropriate to the physical universe of nature; not to the spiritual
universe of the divine within which we also exist interactively without
constraints of time, space, or other natural and physical parameters.

I just saw a fine documentary on the "little ice age" of the 14-17th
centuries; very interesting and important to the development of
civilization in Europe and North America.

If you get a chance and inclination, I recommend the National Geographic
film "March of the Penguins". Aside from the amazing photography and
fascinating information, it reveals frequently how very very close they,
and perhaps we, are to extinction, due to factors *mostly* beyond their/our
control, be those factors natural or "cosmic".









TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. hurricanes and global warming
DATE:    03-Dec-05 21:25:20
HOST:    sverige

well, not *perfectly* understood :)

as the NWS reports at 4pm EST on 3 December *Hurricane* "Epsilon has
continued to strengthen against all odds"

<WEATHER.03-Dec-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. hurricanes and global warming
DATE:    03-Dec-05 21:25:20
HOST:    sverige

well, not *perfectly* understood :)

as the NWS reports at 4pm EST on 3 December *Hurricane* "Epsilon has
continued to strengthen against all odds"

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. hurricanes and global warming
DATE:    07-Dec-05 13:25:57
HOST:    sverige

Fred, you're my kind of scientist, always taking a measure of how wrong we
are. Accordingly, the retention of hair upon your head is not necessarily a
reflection of your time spent in "adult stores", or on the beach ;-}


<WEATHER.07-Dec-05>[ <ENTER> to CONT, (J)UMP or (Q)UIT ] CONT

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. hurricanes and global warming
DATE:    07-Dec-05 13:25:57
HOST:    sverige

Fred, you're my kind of scientist, always taking a measure of how wrong we
are. Accordingly, the retention of hair upon your head is not necessarily a
reflection of your time spent in "adult stores", or on the beach ;-}


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. hurricanes and global warming
DATE:    07-Dec-05 22:52:32
HOST:    sverige

I think the fact set includes observation that the burning of carbon based
fuels does pollute the atmosphere, and has consequences both direct and
indirect which are both unintentional and unrecognized; and that Ethopia is
not the largest source of this activity.

Peace,





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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. hurricanes and global warming
DATE:    07-Dec-05 22:52:32
HOST:    sverige

I think the fact set includes observation that the burning of carbon based
fuels does pollute the atmosphere, and has consequences both direct and
indirect which are both unintentional and unrecognized; and that Ethopia is
not the largest source of this activity.

Peace,





TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Ophelia along U.S. east coast
DATE:    13-Sep-05 04:32:12
HOST:    sverige

William Gray, the father and icon of hurricane forecasting, does not
subscribe to theories of man-influenced global warming, so he couldn't
possibly say that such a thing has any impact on hurricanes. He insists
that global temperature changes are "due to ocean circulation changes and
other factors. It is not human induced."

ref. http://www.discover.com/issues/sep-05/departments/discover-dialogue/

The ocean circulation changes he references are the shallow El Nino surface
temperatures in the equatorial Pacific; not the deep Atlantic thermohaline
circulation (aka meridional overturning circulation) which warms the North
Atlantic surface, which seems to have a 100,000 year cycle which culminates
in "ice ages" evidenced over the 10 cycle term of a million years.

ref.
http://oceanworld.tamu.edu/resources/ocng_textbook/chapter13/chapter13_01.htm

Though meteorologists cannot ignore the interaction with oceans, and
oceanographers cannot ignore the interactions with different air masses and
motions, there's still much science to be enjoyed in studying their
interface specifically. In general however, it is common to observe that
water temperatures are more stable than air temperatures.

As to hurricanes, it seems to me that "an active season" requires more than
just one of the components a)storm formation, b)storm intensity
development, and c)storm motion influences. Which is to say that simple 1:1
cause:effect relationships can only be considered within the context of
many others.


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Ophelia along U.S. east coast
DATE:    13-Sep-05 04:32:12
HOST:    sverige

William Gray, the father and icon of hurricane forecasting, does not
subscribe to theories of man-influenced global warming, so he couldn't
possibly say that such a thing has any impact on hurricanes. He insists
that global temperature changes are "due to ocean circulation changes and
other factors. It is not human induced."

ref. http://www.discover.com/issues/sep-05/departments/discover-dialogue/

The ocean circulation changes he references are the shallow El Nino surface
temperatures in the equatorial Pacific; not the deep Atlantic thermohaline
circulation (aka meridional overturning circulation) which warms the North
Atlantic surface, which seems to have a 100,000 year cycle which culminates
in "ice ages" evidenced over the 10 cycle term of a million years.

ref.
http://oceanworld.tamu.edu/resources/ocng_textbook/chapter13/chapter13_01.htm

Though meteorologists cannot ignore the interaction with oceans, and
oceanographers cannot ignore the interactions with different air masses and
motions, there's still much science to be enjoyed in studying their
interface specifically. In general however, it is common to observe that
water temperatures are more stable than air temperatures.

As to hurricanes, it seems to me that "an active season" requires more than
just one of the components a)storm formation, b)storm intensity
development, and c)storm motion influences. Which is to say that simple 1:1
cause:effect relationships can only be considered within the context of
many others.


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Ophelia along U.S. east coast
DATE:    13-Sep-05 16:14:59
HOST:    sverige

Hi Jeff.

The media has also contributed to the unsupportable notion that global
warming, by whatever cause, is significant contributor to many other things
besides just an unusual Atlantic hurricane season.

Meteorology is one of those fine sciences of scope which is way beyond the
grasp of uneducated masses. I've been a semi-avid hobbiest, informal
student, and watcher for many years. Did you ever happen to meet Ilana?

Part of the global warming debate problem has been rather ostensible
propaganda promulgated by vested interests; another part is the current
government's obvious disdain for facts and science, togeher with its/their
suck-up to their benefactors.  More importantly to me however is a
preference for use of the precautionary principle; and an acknowledgement
of the law of unintended consequences.

--Avo




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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Ophelia along U.S. east coast
DATE:    13-Sep-05 16:14:59
HOST:    sverige

Hi Jeff.

The media has also contributed to the unsupportable notion that global
warming, by whatever cause, is significant contributor to many other things
besides just an unusual Atlantic hurricane season.

Meteorology is one of those fine sciences of scope which is way beyond the
grasp of uneducated masses. I've been a semi-avid hobbiest, informal
student, and watcher for many years. Did you ever happen to meet Ilana?

Part of the global warming debate problem has been rather ostensible
propaganda promulgated by vested interests; another part is the current
government's obvious disdain for facts and science, togeher with its/their
suck-up to their benefactors.  More importantly to me however is a
preference for use of the precautionary principle; and an acknowledgement
of the law of unintended consequences.

--Avo




TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Weather forecasts for the US
DATE:    14-Sep-05 17:28:01
HOST:    sverige

also/or telnet rainmaker.wunderground.com

there were more in '96
http://cirrus.sprl.umich.edu/wxnet/servers.html
gopher, telnet, and ftp sites are listed at the bottom; some may still
respond.



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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Weather forecasts for the US
DATE:    14-Sep-05 17:28:01
HOST:    sverige

also/or telnet rainmaker.wunderground.com

there were more in '96
http://cirrus.sprl.umich.edu/wxnet/servers.html
gopher, telnet, and ftp sites are listed at the bottom; some may still
respond.



TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Wilma
DATE:    24-Oct-05 19:51:32
HOST:    sverige

heading up the east coast

http://headlines.accuweather.com/news-story.asp?partner=accuweather&myadc=0&traveler=0&article=0

http://headlines.accuweather.com/news-story.asp?partner=accuweather&myadc=0&traveler=0&article=1

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Wilma
DATE:    24-Oct-05 19:51:32
HOST:    sverige

heading up the east coast

http://headlines.accuweather.com/news-story.asp?partner=accuweather&myadc=0&traveler=0&article=0

http://headlines.accuweather.com/news-story.asp?partner=accuweather&myadc=0&traveler=0&article=1

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Rita is Cat 5
DATE:    22-Sep-05 01:39:59
HOST:    sverige

THE PRESSURE HAS BEEN FALLING RAPIDLY DURING THE DAY AND THE LATEST MINIMUM
CENTRAL PRESSURE RECENTLY REPORTED BY AN AIR FORCE RESERVE UNIT
RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT WAS 898 MB...26.52 INCHES. THIS MAKES RITA THE
THIRD MOST INTENSE HURRICANE IN TERMS OF PRESSURE IN THE ATLANTIC BASIN.

----
WTNT33 KNHC 220008 TCPAT3 BULLETIN HURRICANE RITA INTERMEDIATE
ADVISORY NUMBER 17A...CORRECTED NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
7 PM CDT WED SEP 21 2005

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Rita is Cat 5
DATE:    22-Sep-05 01:39:59
HOST:    sverige

THE PRESSURE HAS BEEN FALLING RAPIDLY DURING THE DAY AND THE LATEST MINIMUM
CENTRAL PRESSURE RECENTLY REPORTED BY AN AIR FORCE RESERVE UNIT
RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT WAS 898 MB...26.52 INCHES. THIS MAKES RITA THE
THIRD MOST INTENSE HURRICANE IN TERMS OF PRESSURE IN THE ATLANTIC BASIN.

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WTNT33 KNHC 220008 TCPAT3 BULLETIN HURRICANE RITA INTERMEDIATE
ADVISORY NUMBER 17A...CORRECTED NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
7 PM CDT WED SEP 21 2005

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Rita is Cat 5
DATE:    22-Sep-05 04:16:05
HOST:    sverige

>>And this is because I voted for bush, right?

Not necessarily, John. Some think it's because the bleeding heart
environmentalists forgot to go to Iraq. Some think it's because of
something the Pope did, or didn't, do in the middle of his term. And yet
others, if you can believe it, assert that this is a 14th dimensional
consequence of all the lying which has been done regarding the alleged
linkages between HIV and obesity.

Frankly, there's just no accounting for the foibles of either geeks or
tweeks these days; and those who used to care about, and research, these
phenomena have either given up or lost their funding, and are right now
standing in the same lines as their former subjects and patrons.

It might even rain in Modesto for the first time since Reagan was elected,
John; and that, I assure you, has caused people to swallow their
fingernails, again because of the environmentalists, causing them to bleed
where they ought'nt; and *that* is causing a Chineese butterfly effect upon
the fourth branch of the southern pretty-if-ugly-christian conference which
was hoping to get through this decade without a scandal.

If this doesn't answer your question, perhaps there will be additional
perspectives available on your local transit system.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Rita is Cat 5
DATE:    22-Sep-05 04:16:05
HOST:    sverige

>>And this is because I voted for bush, right?

Not necessarily, John. Some think it's because the bleeding heart
environmentalists forgot to go to Iraq. Some think it's because of
something the Pope did, or didn't, do in the middle of his term. And yet
others, if you can believe it, assert that this is a 14th dimensional
consequence of all the lying which has been done regarding the alleged
linkages between HIV and obesity.

Frankly, there's just no accounting for the foibles of either geeks or
tweeks these days; and those who used to care about, and research, these
phenomena have either given up or lost their funding, and are right now
standing in the same lines as their former subjects and patrons.

It might even rain in Modesto for the first time since Reagan was elected,
John; and that, I assure you, has caused people to swallow their
fingernails, again because of the environmentalists, causing them to bleed
where they ought'nt; and *that* is causing a Chineese butterfly effect upon
the fourth branch of the southern pretty-if-ugly-christian conference which
was hoping to get through this decade without a scandal.

If this doesn't answer your question, perhaps there will be additional
perspectives available on your local transit system.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. How to load balance across two servers?
DATE:    01-Apr-05 16:03:11
HOST:    sverige

"Hopefully alternatives that don't require you to
pay a third party."

Most particularly on a recurring, especially annual, basis, eh? <G>


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. How to load balance across two servers?
DATE:    01-Apr-05 16:03:11
HOST:    sverige

"Hopefully alternatives that don't require you to
pay a third party."

Most particularly on a recurring, especially annual, basis, eh? <G>


TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. How to load balance across two servers?
DATE:    01-Apr-05 18:43:41
HOST:    sverige

what happens if you put two different A records into the zonefile?

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. How to load balance across two servers?
DATE:    01-Apr-05 18:43:41
HOST:    sverige

what happens if you put two different A records into the zonefile?

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. How to load balance across two servers?
DATE:    01-Apr-05 19:10:23
HOST:    sverige

A search on 'failover' reveals:

"A better way to do the "poor mans version" is to have both servers as NS
servers for that doman (and only those two, since if they're both down it
really doesnt matter). Set the TTL very low, 1-5 minutes or so and have
each server point DNS queries to itself."

What this does not state specifically is that you then also need to
establish zonefiles on each server.


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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. How to load balance across two servers?
DATE:    01-Apr-05 19:10:23
HOST:    sverige

A search on 'failover' reveals:

"A better way to do the "poor mans version" is to have both servers as NS
servers for that doman (and only those two, since if they're both down it
really doesnt matter). Set the TTL very low, 1-5 minutes or so and have
each server point DNS queries to itself."

What this does not state specifically is that you then also need to
establish zonefiles on each server.


.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. I am retarded
DATE:    09-Jul-05 01:31:02
HOST:    sverige

run mkhomepg; then depost this bulletin; thanks :)

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. I am retarded
DATE:    09-Jul-05 01:31:02
HOST:    sverige

run mkhomepg; then depost this bulletin; thanks :)

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. n00b-ish question
DATE:    08-Jun-05 15:25:48
HOST:    sverige

>is the www ever necessary

It's entirely up to the domain managers, and which hostnames and servers
are assigned to which physical systems.

This question requires more effort to answer, or to ask, than it does to
understand, given a little knowledge, experience, and active thought.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. n00b-ish question
DATE:    08-Jun-05 15:25:48
HOST:    sverige

>is the www ever necessary

It's entirely up to the domain managers, and which hostnames and servers
are assigned to which physical systems.

This question requires more effort to answer, or to ask, than it does to
understand, given a little knowledge, experience, and active thought.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. setting up a wiki site (w/o mysql)
DATE:    09-Nov-05 06:41:21
HOST:    sverige

also, PMwiki is good; and you can still send money to SDF!

;-}

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. setting up a wiki site (w/o mysql)
DATE:    09-Nov-05 06:41:21
HOST:    sverige

also, PMwiki is good; and you can still send money to SDF!

;-}

.TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. permissions on ~/html 'reset' ?
DATE:    15-Apr-05 12:00:39
HOST:    sverige

or test them each and figure out which ones are bad

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. permissions on ~/html 'reset' ?
DATE:    15-Apr-05 12:00:39
HOST:    sverige

or test them each and figure out which ones are bad

.......TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. World War 3
DATE:    18-Oct-05 12:08:26
HOST:    sverige

.. and for Nepalese to get their country back; and for Bolivians to keep
theirs ...

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. World War 3
DATE:    18-Oct-05 12:08:26
HOST:    sverige

.. and for Nepalese to get their country back; and for Bolivians to keep
theirs ...

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Do you shop at big box mart?
DATE:    19-Oct-05 04:22:23
HOST:    sverige

>>"I do, not that I have a choice, ..."

and the benefit of capitalism used to be competition, distributed
ownership, and an expanding middle class; now it is in each case the
opposite.

Shouldn't it have a different name, now that it's been redefined?




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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Do you shop at big box mart?
DATE:    19-Oct-05 04:22:23
HOST:    sverige

>>"I do, not that I have a choice, ..."

and the benefit of capitalism used to be competition, distributed
ownership, and an expanding middle class; now it is in each case the
opposite.

Shouldn't it have a different name, now that it's been redefined?




TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Do you shop at big box mart?
DATE:    20-Oct-05 13:27:11
HOST:    sverige

quoting from
http://www.oriononline.org/pages/om/05-5om/Solnit.html

neoliberalism: the ideology of unfettered capitalism manifested as
deregulation, as privatization of resources and services, as drastically
reduced social services, and as dismissal of the value of community, civil
society, and the public-as in public lands or public good.

Or, in a nutshell, the opening of a place to unregulated plundering.

Neoliberals assert that their activities provide widespread benefits
despite massive evidence to the contrary.

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. Do you shop at big box mart?
DATE:    20-Oct-05 13:27:11
HOST:    sverige

quoting from
http://www.oriononline.org/pages/om/05-5om/Solnit.html

neoliberalism: the ideology of unfettered capitalism manifested as
deregulation, as privatization of resources and services, as drastically
reduced social services, and as dismissal of the value of community, civil
society, and the public-as in public lands or public good.

Or, in a nutshell, the opening of a place to unregulated plundering.

Neoliberals assert that their activities provide widespread benefits
despite massive evidence to the contrary.

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. American Enigma !
DATE:    21-Oct-05 18:39:34
HOST:    sverige

>"Whether we like it or not, America does have a national identity."

America has at least two completely different and incompatible national
identities. One is arrogant and rules by force; the other humble, and leads
by compassion.

and another just trudges through life, giving nothing, taking nothing,
expecting nothing, ....

at least that's the way *I* see it ;-}

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. American Enigma !
DATE:    21-Oct-05 18:39:34
HOST:    sverige

>"Whether we like it or not, America does have a national identity."

America has at least two completely different and incompatible national
identities. One is arrogant and rules by force; the other humble, and leads
by compassion.

and another just trudges through life, giving nothing, taking nothing,
expecting nothing, ....

at least that's the way *I* see it ;-}

TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. American Enigma !
DATE:    21-Oct-05 21:19:42
HOST:    sverige

I don't know that anything is uniqely American, perhaps other than being
born there, as it might differ from being born $there or %there%

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TACKER:  avoyager (Avo Yager)
SUBJECT: .. American Enigma !
DATE:    21-Oct-05 21:19:42
HOST:    sverige

I don't know that anything is uniqely American, perhaps other than being
born there, as it might differ from being born $there or %there%

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