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NYT Has More Threads About Trump's And Epstein's Relationship: Sexual Competition. [1]

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Date: 2025-07-20

I know this is a gross, disgusting topic, but the NYT’s has pulled together some of what is known about Trump’s and Epstein’s relationship for those 15 years. I’ve seen some of the material reported before, but there is a nugget that I had not heard until now. A Florida-based businessman by the name of George Houraney arranged what was supposed to be a “calendar competition,” but the only two guests at this competition were Trump and Epstein. And the NYT, once again, brings up the facts about Trump’s and Epstein’s “sexual competition” with girls/young women.

No, there are no details if the sexual competition between the two went into underage girls, but there is the other report about a underage girl who was raped by both Trump and Epstein at Epstein’s Manhattan home. This occured in 1994 when the girl was promised that the party was a kind of debute for a possible modeling career. After many years, the now woman tried to sue Trump in court in 2019, but she dropped the case after her lawyer said she received death threats.

Given that Epstein preferred girls in their teens, especially girls about 14 years old, my guess is that there might be some kind of notes or recordings of the two men bragging who was better at raping underage girls. Or there is something along the line of hearsay evidence in the Epstein files to this sexual competition to rape and abuse underage girls. Probably something else like that birthday card to Epstein.

I’m no lawyer, but the rules and norms of the DOJ is not to release any evidence that won’t be used in a court of law. And as I have stated before, the DOJ only selects cases where prosecutors know there is a high probability of winning. You and I would probably look at the evidence and say, “Charge those assholes!” But I’m no lawyer.

However, even the useless NYT reports that Trump and Epstein had a sexual competition going on.

Even if they are released, the transcripts are unlikely to shed much light on the relationship between the two men, which did not figure prominently in either criminal case. What seemed to draw them together, according to those who knew them at the time, was a common interest in hitting on — and competing for — attractive young women at parties, nightclubs and other private events... Months later, when Mr. Trump hosted a party at Mar-a-Lago for young women in a so-called calendar girl competition, Mr. Epstein was the only other guest, according to George Houraney, a Florida-based businessman who arranged the event. Mr. Houraney recalled being surprised that Mr. Epstein was the only other person on the guest list.

Trump tried to forcibly kiss, fondle and then restrained Mr. Houraney’s then girlfriend, Jill Harth, while at that very party. When that didn’t work, Trump tried calling into the bed of one of the 22 contestants.

It sounds like some of the women were in their early 20’s at this party. But notice what goes on at it. No one else is there as a guest but Epstein. The two men didn’t want anyone horning in on their contest.

But here was a definite moment when Trump and Epstein were showing their so-called sexual competition — sexual abuse — of women.

Stacey Williams, a former Sports Illustrated swimsuit model, has said she was groped by Mr. Trump when she was introduced to him by Mr. Epstein, whom she was dating at the time... After Mr. Trump greeted them in a waiting area outside his office, Ms. Williams said, he pulled her toward him, touching her breasts, waist and buttocks as though he was “an octopus.” She said she later wondered whether she had been part of a challenge or wager between the two men. “I definitely felt like I was a piece of meat delivered to that office as some sort of game,” she recalled to The Times last year.

Then, the NYT reports that Epstein told Trump essentially, “She’s not for you,” when it came to another one of his victims, a Maria Farmer. Turns out that Epstein and Maxwell were not only raping her, but Epstein went to work on her underage sister. Ms. Farmer is now suing the FBI because she claims she reported all this back in 1996. However, the FBI did nothing according to her.

According to the lawsuit, Farmer first reported to the FBI that she was sexually assaulted by the pair in 1996 and warned that they "had committed multiple serious sex crimes" against girls, including her minor sister. Farmer also allegedly told the FBI that Epstein stole nude and partially nude photos of two of her minor sisters who he transported across state lines and that he and others engaged in "possession, production, and distribution of sexually lascivious or exploitative images of children," which could constitute child pornography…

From this same article, Farmer reported this again in 2006, but the FBI agent she was talking to hung up on her and never followed up.

You can get to see why there are a lot of conspiracy theories with regards to Epstein.

Finally, given Epstein’s pedophilia and long history of raping underage girls, I cannot imagine there was a great deal of this so-called sexual competition between Trump and Musk for mature women. Epstein “dated” young women really only to gain access to girls. When Maxwell was too old for him, he simply got her to groom other girls for Epstein’s pedophilia. And according to Farmer, he used her to get access to her minor sister.

It’s probably why Epstein told Trump to lay off of Farmer.

So who did Trump and Epstein really have a sexual competition for? Given the gross things Trump has said about his daughter, his barging into the dressing rooms of Miss Teen USA contestants, and his rape of mature women, my guess is that Trump was competing with Epstein to see who could rape the most underage girls.

And this is where were get this awful story from Jane Doe, a woman who later sued Trump for rape:

In the most recent suit, Trump’s accuser asserted that while she was exploring a modeling career in 1994, she attended a series of parties at the Manhattan home of prominent investor Jeffrey Epstein. She alleges that during those parties the real estate mogul tied her to a bed and raped her. She also claimed Epstein raped her during that series of gatherings

There are other details of the lawsuit, which was eventually dropped because of death threats against Jane Doe and her family.

MANHATTAN (CN) — A woman who says Donald Trump raped her at a private sex party when she was 13 years old refiled a lawsuit against him Friday, two weeks after voluntarily dismissing a suit based on the same claims. The new complaint, filed in the federal court in Manhattan, restates plaintiff Jane Doe's claims of the earlier lawsuit. Namely, that she was lured by a recruiter to summer parties hosted by co-defendant Jeffrey Epstein at an Upper East Side mansion on East 71st St., tied to a bed and forcibly raped by Trump, who slapped her with an open hand and told her he would do whatever he pleased with her. Jane Does goes on to claim that after Epstein also forcibly raped her, he and Trump bickered over who should have taken the minor plaintiff's virginity

In that court filing, there is a woman who stated she was the procurer of Jane Doe for Epstein, and she witnessed Trump have four sexual encounters with Jane Doe, while Epstein had two.

Are there things like this witness statement in the Epstein case files? Possibly. But if there is anything like Jane Doe describes about her rape by Trump and Epstein in the Epstein files, you can bet that Trump doesn’t want it to come out. Jane Doe, if what happened to her is real, refused to come forward because of death threats. And if the victims are fearful and do not want to go to trial, it could be one very good reason why there were never any charges brought by the DOJ under Merrick Garland against Trump or anyone else.

To summarize, I think Trump and Epstein had a sick game to see how many underage girls the two could rape. We know Trump is a rapist, and I bet he thought it would be easier to rape underage girls than grown women. And Epstein used Trump to help him gain access to underage girls.

It’s not the fact that Trump hyped a fizzled conspiracy theory to hurt Democrats that he is so afraid of being caught in a lie about. Lying for him is as easy as breathing. No, something terrible is in those Epstein files.

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