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Mon Jan 18 06:11:00 1982
SPACE Digest V2 #83
>From OTA@S1-A Mon Jan 18 03:25:31 1982
SPACE Digest Volume 2 : Issue 83
Today's Topics:
News Query
newswire stuff
G. Harry Stine
Re: life from comets
Firms sign up to use less costly European rockets
Dean Machine History
Harry Stine and the Dean Drive
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Date: Sun Jan 17 10:25:48 1982
To: Space at MIT-MC
From: mhtsa!alice!sjb at Berkeley
Subject: News Query
Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated.
There has recently arisen at SRI-UNIX a gateway between the space
digest at MIT-MC and a USENET newsgroup (net.columbia) that came
into existence a bit before STS-2 for the primary purpose of keeping
people informed about the space program (and the space programs of
other countries -- most noticeably now is the ESA Ariane booster).
Mostly, news summaries from the news wires (AP, etc.) have gone through
it and also some other informative blurbs (I don't recall any discussion
going through it though that wouldn't have mattered) With the new
gateway, I need a decision from ARPAland whether or not to continue
posting these news things to net.columbia or to net.space (the new
group), which feeds into the mailing list. If I take the former action,
you will not see the news; the latter will get the news to you.
Please mail replies to me (research!sjb at Berkeley) -- for the time
being, I'll start posting news to net.space unless I hear complaints.
Adam Buchsbaum
UUCP - ucbvax!research!sjb
ARPA - research!sjb at Berkeley
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Date: 17 Jan 1982 1153-PST
From: Bob Amsler <AMSLER AT SRI-AI>
Subject: newswire stuff
To: space at MIT-MC
I disagree emphatically with
decvax!watmath!jcwinterton@Berkeley re: posting of posting
of "newswire stuff" to the space digest. FIRST! the digest
is an internal communication without "public" distribution
and as such probably qualifies for "fair use". Second, there
happen to be many highly qualified people who are employed
by the govt. who read this list and SHOULD be aware of space
developments which appear in the wire services.
The major concern is that nothing from this digest (or any
other) be released to a public channel. As long as these
discussions pass solely between individuals in a closed
network I believe they are legal. Technically, there is NO
"publication" taking place here. It is actually just a
massive mailing list for communication between individuals.
Access is restricted and controlled by govt. monitoring of
the members of the net. Anyone who is on the net without
such monitoring is in violation of the law. Their further
misuse of the private communications which take place on the
net would constitute further violation.
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Date: 17 Jan 1982 1827-CST
From: Jonathan Slocum <LRC.SLOCUM AT UTEXAS-20>
Subject: G. Harry Stine
To: space at MIT-MC
While we're on the topic, and since I haven't heard it mentioned...
Space Power, by G. Harry Stine, c. 1981, 1st printing Sept. 1981,
pub. by ACE, $2.50 ppb. I got mine in the Miami airport
last October, hot off the press...
Cover contains the following phrases, among others:
THE NEWS THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY TRIED TO BURY!
THE *TRUTH* ABOUT SOLAR POWER!
Having read it (and his 3rd Ind. Rev.) my impression is that he is
truly a hard-nosed engineering type, characterized by the potential
short-sightedness (all problems can be solved through technology)
for which such types are famed. Damn stimulating book, though.
I recommend it -- with a grain of salt if you're a humanist.
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Date: 18 January 1982 05:04-EST
From: Jerry E. Pournelle <POURNE MIT-MC AT>
Subject: Re: life from comets
To: decvax!watmath!jcwinterton at UCB-C70
cc: SPACE at MIT-MC
why listen?
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Date: 18 January 1982 05:07-EST
From: Jerry E. Pournelle <POURNE MIT-MC AT>
Subject: Firms sign up to use less costly European rockets
To: JoSH at RUTGERS
cc: SPACE at MIT-MC
Gary Hudson says this is substantially correct, but you ought to
look at latest AVIATION WEEK for who wants to buy 5th
orbiter...
Date: 17 Jan 1982 0000-EST
From: JoSH <JOSH AT RUTGERS>
According to a news story (Gannet) under this title, three
US companies, Western Union, Southern Pacific Comm., and
GTE have signed up for a total of 5 satellites so far on
the "mostly-French" Ariane. At $20 million a shot that
comes to $100 million, instead of spending $125 to $135
million at NASA (which would have used McDonnell-Douglass
Deltas).
"Despite the shuttle's potential as an efficient cargo
carrier into space, America's space transportation system
could price itself out of the market by the end of the
decade if--as expected--NASA raises its shuttle cargo
rates due to escalating costs of the external tanks and
solid rocket boosters."
The story says the French completed the Ariane test flight
program last month after four launches. The satellites
are scheduled to go up in 83 and 84.
--JoSH
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Date: 18 January 1982 05:10-EST
From: Jerry E. Pournelle <POURNE MIT-MC AT>
Subject: Dean Machine History
To: Marvin Minsky at MIT-AI
cc: SPACE at MIT-MC
AS you loved Dean, so loved he we all....
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Date: 18 January 1982 05:42-EST
From: Jerry E. Pournelle <POURNE MIT-MC AT>
Subject: Harry Stine and the Dean Drive
To: Onyx.jeffc at UCB-C70
cc: SPACE at MIT-MC
While I am prepared--aye, even eager--to believe that we FINALLY
understand THE laws of physics, I must say, b
given their history, that I ought to be prepared to
accept heir radical negations.
To sya that Harry, by challenging orthodoxy, has proved hiumself
fundamentally silly is to say that one understands little of the
history of science. Harry is very probably wrong; but to say he
is uninteresting is to say more about yurself than I would...
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