________________________________________________

Welcome to...
_________________________________________________
| \
| S T R A N G E W A Y S >
|________________________________________________/
A forum for Morrissey and The Smiths.

Summer Edition Volume 1, Issue #2

To post to Strangeways, please send mail to Kevin at
[email protected].

This list is a temporary Strangeways mailing list
that will run during the summer. I don't want to
be making a lot of modifications to the list
during the summer, so please don't ask to be taken
off of it :-). It will be removed at the end of
the summer.

<----->

Subject: Re: Strangeways Summer Discussion
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 91 13:08:49 -0400
From: [email protected]

I don't know if you guys can get Details magazine out where you be :-),
but the latest
issue has an interview with Electronic about 2 pages long. I didn't
buy the mag because
$2 for a bunch of ads and 4 pages of info (roughly) is not the type of mag I'd buy.
Some of the highlights, though:
- Marr speaks on Moz
- Marr sez he likes disco
*** his favorite (pop) group is TECHNOTRONIC!!!!

See what happens when you've been Moz-less?? Sheesh.

Completely unrelated:
My girlfriend and I went to see City Slickers with Billy Crystal.
She said "Moz would
love this movie." It was pretty good - go see it and find out why.

July 10th - 8:30 PM - Jones Beach...
I can't wait!!!

| Dan |

[ Gag...Technotronic?!?!? That's scarry. There's actually a real
good interview with Marr in NME (about two months ago) that was
in two parts. I believe Simon mentioned it. Probably significantly
better than Details. =K= ]

<----->

From: [email protected]
Subject: Morrissey on the Tonight Show!

Greetings.

News Flash: Morrissey is going to be on the Tonight Show with
Johnny Carson TONIGHT!!! It's 7:30 a.m. right now and there are
about 500-600 people standing in line at the NBC studios (they
don't get in until 4:30 p.m.). Wow.

The new Morrissey single has supposedly been delayed. Anyone have
any information about why? Another lawsuit :-) ?

=K=

<----->

Subject: Re: Strangeways Summer Discussion
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 91 11:10:55 -0400
From: [email protected]

Kev,
Thank you thankyou thankyou thankyou!!!
I will be watching!!!

| Dan |

P.S. Did anyone accept to make copies of that tape?
I can do it, but I need to know if there's any interest in it. How
about sending Kevin
a message saying "yes, I want the tape." If enough people want it, Kevin can let me
know and then mail me the tape.

Later.

[ The tape Dan is refering to is the KROQ Morrissey session. I'm working
on making a good compilation tape which has both the interview and
the latest recording session among other things. Now that school's out
(YEAH!!) I'll have time to fool around with that. =K= ]

<----->

Date: Sun, 16 Jun 91 22:43 EDT
From: Bill Meikrantz 863-1767 <[email protected]>
Subject: morrissey on the tonight show

What a hoot! Obviously Carson et al. were totally unprepared for the audience
and the reaction... I can't remember anything like that on TV since the
Beatles were on the Ed Sullivan show (I was a little towhead at the time, but
still have a fairly clear memory of the hysteria...) I got the impression
that Morrissey was originally scheduled to appear last (usually the case with
performers not being "interviewed" on the Tonight show?), and that the very
long commercial break that followed Bill Cosby's monolog was due to
reshuffling the schedule etc. to get Moz on and off sooner to calm down the
audience... Can't wait to see him now in Pittsburgh on the 30th (fingers
crossed he doesn't cancel)... The venue for the Pgh concert is really strange--
a small tent-like affair at Station Square, a very touristy conglomeration
of shops, restaurants and hotels. I was apprehensive about what the music on
this tour would sound like after hearing the descriptions of the CA concerts
as sort of rockabilly in style, but after seeing the Tonight show songs
("Sing Your Life" and "There's a Place in Hell for Me and My Friends") I
think it really works--gives the music a kind of "bite" that I thought the
album/disc/tape was kind of lacking the 1st couple dozen times I listened
to it...
_________________________________________________________________________
Bill Meikrantz wjm4@psuvm
Molecular and Cell Biology [email protected]
Penn State University miles standish proud congratulate me

<----->

From: [email protected]
Subject: Morrissey Tape
-----

Greetings everyone.

I've finished compiling the Morrissey tape. Here are the contents:

Side One

KROQ Morrissey Interview in February 1990.
KROQ "One-Year Retrospect" of the Interview
"Ask" (from _Rank_)
"There Is A Light That Never Goes Out" (accoustic)
"Suedehead" (from _Bona Drag_)
Studio Screw-Up Session with Vini Reily:
"I Know Very Well How I Got This Song Wrong"

Side Two

KROQ Morrissey Studio Session
"There Is A Place In Hell For Me and My Friends"
"My Lovelife"
"Sing Your Life"
KROQ Concert Vault: The Smiths
(from the same tour as _Rank_ and _Better Live Than Dead_, but
has slightly different versions of the songs)
"William, It Was Really Nothing"
"Hand In Glove"
"How Soon Is Now?"
"Strech Out and Wait"
"That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore"
"Shakespeare's Sister"
"Still Ill"
"Meat Is Murder"
Morrissey cover of the Jam's "That's Entertainment"

Does anybody have a good name for this tape? Please write to
Dan at [email protected] for information on obtaining this
tape...he will be in charge of distribution. Hope you like
it.

=K=

<----->

Subject: Re: Strangeways Summer Discussion
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 91 13:37:56 -0400
From: [email protected]

Well, I almost missed the Carson 'concert'. I turned on the tube at
12 midnight, EST and to my surprise the show was well in progress. As
I heard: and here's Morrissey! I scrambled for the VCR remote. It was
pretty good, but I'm not sure I like this new 'rockabilly' style. I
know he loves James Dean, but you've gotta let go sometime...

I also thought he looked rather old and kinda tired. Not that he ever
looks terribly energetic, of course!

I couldn't identify his band members - anybody wanna chance a guess?

| Dan |

<----->

Date: 19 Jun 91 16:57:46
From: [email protected]
Subject: Her's Johnny

did anyone happen to tape the Tonight show piece?

Nicole

[ I did! The performance wasn't that great, but to see Bill Cosby and
Johnny Carson react to Morrissey and his fans was just hillarious!
Send me a tape and I'll make copies for whoever wants it. =K= ]

<----->

Subject: Re: Strangeways Summer Discussion
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 91 17:09:48 -0400
From: [email protected]

I came across the following in rec.music.misc:

>From arnor!bywater!uunet!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!emx.utexas.edu!aal Mon Jun 24 14:24:41 EDT 1991
Article 54460 of rec.music.misc:
Path: arnor!bywater!uunet!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!emx.utexas.edu!aal
>From: [email protected] (Alfred Lorber)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Mozzer Wimps Out--Why did He Cancel?
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 24 Jun 91 05:57:15 GMT
References: <[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
Sender: [email protected]
Organization: CFD Lab, Dept ASE-EM, University of Texas at Austin
Lines: 63
In-reply-to: [email protected]'s message of 24 Jun 91 04:28:10 GMT

I am replying to Amy J. Moseley's article about the cancellation of
the Morrissey concert in Austin, TX. It is very easy to lay blame
with Morrissey for canceling his concert, but in actuality no one
will ever know what truly happened. I do know that the people running
the City Coliseum the day of the concert were totally clueless. Many
people had been waiting all day to get in first, the first three fans
arrived at 4 am, yet the folks running the show didn't care one bit
about who was there first and decided to open a second door around
6:00 pm. If the concert was not canceled I assure you that there
would have been some major fights as to who was going to be at the
stage because the people who were arriving at 6:00pm were able to be
first in the second line. Obviously those jokers were seriously
uneducated and didn't give a shit about the fans who had waited for
over 12 hours in the heat. Second, this crap about a supposed fifty
uniformed security officers is just that, a bunch of crap. Longhorn
security was the main company providing security for the show. You
are welcome to call them and ask them how many people they employ, and
how many were assigned to the concert. I don't think they are going
to tell you fifty. I talked to one of the guys who works for Longhorn
Security and he told me a different tale in this twisted story. He
certainly did not see fifty people there, as a matter of fact he
didn't even see 25 security officers there. But then, we will never
know the truth. Now Amy, I realize it must have been very frustrating
for you to fly 200 miles for nothing, but just think about those of us
in Dallas who had the rug pulled right out from under us by the fools
who rushed Morrissey. I was waiting in line for hours and hours
before the show was canceled, I am not saying that one is worse than
the other but I am not blaming Morrissey. God knows that Morrissey
loves his fans and when I saw him before he boarded his bus on
Wednesday morning he didn't look like he was gloating because he
canceled the show, as a matter of fact his manager said that
Morrissey was deeply upset about the cancellation. I realize that
many people were deeply effected by the cancellation of the show, but
why say he whimped out? Actually, Amy, I think you whimped out for
taking your frustrations out on a man who has only brought beautiful
music to this world. You should be old enough to realize that the
world is run by suits, the guys in suits messed this one up. And by
the way, I am one of the fans who cried when they canceled the
concert, as a matter of fact I have been crying pretty much off and on
since Tuesday. So Amy, in your life there is always going to be
someone out there who cares more than you do, so when you complain
about your $2 service charge, gas, time, and your brother's $50 plane
fare from 200 miles away, just remember that some of us would have
given our very lives to see Morrissey in concert. And some of us will
never be the same again because that show was canceled. Actually
Amy, I think you faired much better than a lot of other people, you
only lost a little time and money, some of us lost the little faith in
humanity that we had left.

Thanks for your time,

Darla Kreller

(Please send any personal replies to Darla, care of [email protected])
--
---------------------------------------------------------------
Alfred Lorber ([email protected]) T T
TTTUTTTTUTTT
Computational Fluid Dynamics Laboratory 'Uo oU`
Dept. of Aerospace Eng. & Eng. Mechanics UUUU
The University of Texas at Austin TT
(512) 471-4069 TT
---------------------------------------------------------------

Wow! Talk about moz-itis...

| Dan |

Dan Simoes [email protected]
IBM TJW Research Center
Yorktown Heights, NY 10598 Quote: .pending
914.945.2456 (tie 862)

[ There's been quite a heated debate on rec.music.misc lately about
Morrissey, specifically on the Tonight Show. It's been quite
interesting.

Dan - did you get the tape? If not it should be arriving today.
USPS isn't the fastest, but it's usually pretty reliable.

Does anyone know of any good import record/CD shops in the LA/
Orange County area? The place that I go to charges an arm and
a leg for Japanese imports (usually about $29). I'm just looking
for another place, relatively close, to look for some Japanese
imports. There are supposed to be two Smiths "live" albums out
from Japan, but I have yet to see them.

=K= ]

<----->

Subject: Strangeways: tape, other stuff
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 91 11:06:25 -0400
From: [email protected]

Hi all,
As Kevin mentioned, I should be getting the tape soon, so as
soon as I do, those who emailed me will be hearing from me. Has
anyone come up with a name yet??

I came across an interesting ad for an album in Tower's PULSE
magazine:

"This is not a story
This is not a book
This is your life"

BANDERAS _ripe_: Featuring Johnny Marr and Bernard Sumner, produced by
Stephen Hague. Featuring the single "This is your life."

All I know that they are 2 Sinead look-alikes that wear Doc Martens.

Has anyone been to a concert (Moz) lately? It's been kinda dead on
Strangeways.

Kevin was teasing me about not having a Moz quote in my .sig. I used
to, but I got nasty mail from some lady. It was:

"Most people keep their brains between their legs." Morrissey

So for the 2 weeks after that, it was:
"Unoffensive quote pending." :-)

| Dan |

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Dan Simoes [email protected] "Shall I compare thee to a
IBM TJW Research Center 914.945.2456 summer's day?" Shakespeare,
Yorktown Heights, NY 10598 Sonnets 18.1

[ How about "There is another world/There is a better world" as a title
for the tape? I was looking through quotes in the lyrics, but all the
good ones are two or three lines long :-). BTW, Dan, I think you and
I make up Strangeways right now...I haven't heard from anyone lately.

I've got the lyrics are printed up real nicely and I'm looking to
incorporate pictures of the album covers on it. Does anyone want to
try to digitize the album covers (greyscale please) and send them
to me. The other option is to make photocopies, which I was considering
for a while, but that may be more of a problem than it's worth.
Get back to me if you're interested. I will send out a beta copy
to anyone as long as you include money for postage (should be about
$1.50).

One final note: Is it just me or does Electronic really suck. I
really can't stand Barney "rapping" on a number of the tracks, one
of which they're playing non-stop on KROQ (one of the main reasons
I've been listening to MARS). God that's annoying. Granted, there
are some very good songs on the album, like "Get the Message" which
I really liked, but for the most part, it's annoying. It's not
even danceable. What does everyone think.

=K= ]

<----->

Announcements: If you missed it before, here it is again. The
tape Dan is offering to copy is a collection of radio shows that
were done on KROQ radio (106.7 if you ever in LA). The contents
of the tape is as follows:

Side One: Morrissey Interview, 1990
One year Interview retrospect 1991
(songs Ask, There is a Light..., and Suedehead)
Vini Reiley "screw-up" session:
"I Know Very Well How I Got This Song Wrong"

Side Two: Morrissey KROQ session 1991
There's A Place in Hell...
My Lovelife
Sing Your Life
KROQ Smiths Concert (from 1986 tour)
(slightly different than _Rank_ and
_Better Live Than Dead_)
Morrissey cover of the Jam's "That's Entertainment"

We're still looking for a name so we can put a sleeve together.
Suggestions anyone?

If you want to get this tape, send mail to dan ([email protected])
and he'll give you details.

<----->

From: Brian Pane <[email protected]>
Subject: STRANGEWAYS::misc
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 91 13:09:15 EDT

(I have just returned to the list after over a month away from the net,
so please forgive me if my questions have been asked already.)

I almost like _Kill_Uncle_ now. Almost.

I'm going to see Morrissey on July 13th at Madison Square Garden.
Can anyone describe what his shows are like? (I.e., what songs,
how well performed, is he going to cancel)

"Cemetery Gates": where are the quotes from?

What's the tape that everyone keeps talking about?

Are the CD singles worth buying? I only have "Ouija Board..."
and "November...," but the two songs from those discs that weren't
on _Bona_Drag_ are among my favorite Morrissey songs. Are the
other "unavailable B-sides" equally good?

[ Yes...I like "Sister I'm A Poet" off of the Everyday is Like Sunday
single. Remember, Morrissey likes to release singles moreso than
albums. Some of his best works are b-sides of singles, even during
the Smiths. =K= ]

-Brian [email protected]
"and the senses being dulled are mine"
#include <disclaimer.h>

<----->

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 91 13:31 EDT
From: Bill Meikrantz 863-1767 <[email protected]>
Subject: strangeways--re: electronic

I like the album, but was disappointed. I expected some novel kind of Marr/
New Order fusion product, but all Marr's jangle is completely subsumed by
the N.O.-ish compusynth sound. I _like_ the album if I think of it as the
new New Order album, but am disappointed if I think of it as Marr's latest.
And yes, Bernard's "rapping" is quite the silliest sound.
=8-) Bill

<----->

Date: Mon, 1 Jul 91 11:10 EDT
From: Bill Meikrantz 863-1767 <[email protected]>
Subject: strangeways: morrissey in pittsburgh (NOT)

well, i had hoped this morning to be able to write up a review of some sorts
of morrissey's pittsburgh show. unfortunately, it was cancelled; there's been
no word yet as to why. the cancellation was only announced some 15 min before
the show was to begin. it was pouring rain. we were soaked to the skin.
we were miserably disappointed. the show is supposed to be "rescheduled" at
a later date, but i'm not holding my breath. shoot, i knew i should've gotten
tickets for the philly show as well.
=8-( bill

[ Bummer - he's been cancelling quite a few shows lately (one in Texas
and now one in Pittsburgh. I wonder what the deal is...any clues?
=K= ]

<----->

From: [email protected]
Subject: New Morrissey Single

Well, it's been kind of slow here lately so let me interject some good
news (I hope). A local record store (a new one called Drip Records for
those of you in Orange County) says the new single "Pregnant for the
Last Time" is supposed to be released today (in England, I presume).
It should reach the United States in a few days. Now the question is
whether or not it will actually come out. It was originally slated
to come out about a month ago, but for some reason was held up. Since
I haven't heard anything about it on the radio, it's very unlikely
that the single will be released, but hopefully it gives us something
to look forward to :-).

Any news would be appreciated.

=K=

<----->

From: Greg Hatch <[email protected]>
Subject: Strangeways:Morrissey 6/27 concert
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 91 9:48:36 EDT

I was at the Morrissey concert June 27 in Cincinnati. It was a good show, but
the Mozz cut it a little short. The band was only on the stage for about an
hour and then they went to intermission. The band came back and Mozz told
the crowd that the "security is too tight here and I can't play anymore.
Good Night!!" and he threw his shirt to the crowd and left. A lot of people
were upset (myself included) that the show was so short. The security was
a little tight. As usual, Morrissey liked people to come up to the stage and
touch him. A few fans got a little excited and tried to pull him off the
stage and got thrown out of the concert. I'm not one to pass judgement on
musicians and their quirks, but I think that Morrissey should have played a
bit longer.

Some of the songs performed were:

Interesting Drug
Last of the Famous International Playboys
Suedehead (the best song of the night)
Sing Your Life
Asian Rut
November Spawned a Monster
Will Never Marry
Our Frank
There's a Place in Hell for me and my Friends
Driving Your Girlfriend Home (another great song)
Everyday is like Sunday
Angel, We Both Go Down together (not sure of the correct title)

As you can tell, these aren't all of the songs, but he did play a few more
from Viva Hate than I figured he would. The band was very energetic and the
bass player smashed his bass after one of the songs!! (does anyone know
who the band members are?)

I may as well jump in on the Electronic discussion. I got both of the CD
singles by the band and was anxiously awaiting the album. When I got it, I
was a little dissapointed. I heard too much New Order and not enough Marr.
There are only a couple of good guitar based songs on the album, (I don't
remember the names) but they barely save the album. I, for one, really have
liked Marr's work after the Smiths. I loved the Talking Head's album "Naked"
even before I knew Marr played on it. Marr really has a good Bo Diddley
guitar sound when he wants to and it shows on Naked. I also liked his work
on The The's "Mind Bomb" and I can't wait for thier new album (anyone know
when it is due?).

One artists that Marr works with that no one has mentioned is Kirsty MacColl.
I have "Kite" and "Electric Landlady" and both are great. On Kite, Marr
Co-wrote 3 of the songs and plays on 9 of them. It is a good album and Kirsty
is a great singer. Electric Landlady was just released and has two songs
co-written and performed by Marr. "Walking down Madison was released as a
single and is kind of a heavy song with a killer Marr riff throughout the song.

Has anyone heard the album that Marr worked on with Sandie Shaw "Hello Angel"?
I would like to know any opinions on it before I buy it.

Greg Hatch ([email protected])
"A crack on the head is what you get for asking"--_Barbarism begins at
Home_

<----->

From: Amy Moseley <[email protected]>
Subject: Morrissey and his Security whims
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 91 21:33:46 CDT

This is to the fellow who complained about the short concert
Morrissey gave because the security was too strict.

How would you like to go to a concert that was cancelled 45 minutes
before the show because he felt it was too lax (got mobbed the
night before in Dallas and left in an ambulance)?

I mean what is the deal? I love the man's music but if he is
sooooo picky about security why not hire his own force? The
security that was so strict probably heard about everyone here
in Austin (the tix co, the promoter) who lost money because
Morrissey felt that security to lax.

As this was my first opportunity to see Morrissey, I was just
a little upset that he didn't show.

Is this a regular problem? I wish I would have known before I
got my heart set on going.
--
Amy J. Moseley
Motorola Computer Group
(512) 891-2426 :)
[email protected] or
uunet!cs.utexas.edu!oakhill!arla!amy

[ As Nicole pointed out, Morrissey has been known to cancel shows just
a few minutes before the show is supposed to go on. Oh well. =K= ]

<----->

Subject: Strangeways Summer Discussion
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 91 11:18:54 +0200
From: Chris Rouch <[email protected]>

I seem to remember reading that one of the Morrissey shows (I think the one
at Wembley on 20th July) was going to be videod by MTV and shown soon
afterwards. Anyone have anymore details?

Chris
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chris Rouch [email protected]
Serco Space Ltd. Tel: +31 1719 84672
ESTEC, The Netherlands. Fax: +31 1719 84192

[ According to KROQ (Los Angeles) all the videotaping he's been doing at
both LA area shows is for an hour-long MTV Rockumentary. I haven't
heard anything since. If anyone gets information about this, please
post it, as I assume most of us don't spend hours glued to MTV (gag).
=K= ]

<----->

Date: Tue, 02 Jul 91 13:22:34 +0100
From: [email protected]
Subject: strangeways re: 'PREGNANT'

No sign of the above as yet here in the UK. My dealer says that
it's not due for AT LEAST another two weeks here, and to the
best of my knowledge the tracklisting is still yet to be finalised.

I wager that it wont see light of day until his return from the US
(which could be about three days away if his annoying cancellations
are anything to go by).

Mark L.

<----->

Date: 03 Jul 91 10:24:24
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Strangeways Summer Discussion

I'm not surprise that there have been so many shows cancelled and cut short.
To me it appears that Moz in the type of man who loves fans to jump up on
stage, yell and scream his name, but loves to complain about it . I feel for
all the people who have missed Moz, but the man will tour again, trust me.

Nicole

<----->

Subject: Strangeways Summer Discussion
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 91 12:20:42 -0400
From: [email protected]

Hello all,
I now have 5 requests for the as-yet unnamed Morrissey/Smiths
compilation tape. I will be contacting each of you (the 5) to let you
know what the cost is. We still need a title - any suggestions?
(Hint: see my .sig) If anyone else wants it, last chance!
---
I am really bummed about all this cancellation stuff. I have this
gloomy feeling that the Jones Beach show will be cancelled, since
there is another show 3 days later at Madison Square Garden. Maybe
I'll try to scalp tix for that show.

I am planning to tape the Moz concert at Jones Beach. I wasn't going
to, but in his interview on that ever-popular compilation tape he
states of bootlegs "some of them are quite good. even i buy them
sometimes. i really don't mind it at all - it's rather flattering..."
So, we'll see.

| Dan |

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Dan Simoes [email protected] "Is it really so strange?"
IBM TJW Research Manhattanville '92 The Smiths
Yorktown Heights, NY 10598 914.945.2456

<----->

Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1991 11:03:59 -0600
From: Rohit Sharma <[email protected]>
Subject: Morrissey on Muchmusic

Any news on Morrissey shows being broadcast on MuchMusic (the
Canadian Music channel) ??

They did mention (on City Limits, the "alternative" music show)
that his Toronto show might be shown later.

-Rohit
=========================================================
TR labs, Edmonton, AB
[email protected]
=========================================================

<----->

From: Simon Hughes <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 91 18:48:35 BST
Subject: Re: Strangeways Summer Discussion

I've been tied up with various things recently so I haven't contributed to
Strangeways Summer Discussion much. I see it's doing really well (better
than the regular Strangeways?).

Dan writes
>I couldn't identify his band members - anybody wanna chance a guess?
The only one who appears to have a `history' is ex-Polecat Baz Boorer. The
others are just guys that Moz met in a rockabilly club (along with BB).

Moving on to new stuff... Moz is playing a whole bunch of gigs in this
country (UK) this month (the ticket prices are extortionate). Pregnant for
the Last Time is now due out 15 July with an altered track listing. The T-Rex
song Cosmic Dancer (the one he did with David Bowie in LA) should be included.
Tim Broad has filmed the west coast gigs, including Bowie's appearance, for
transmission by MTV this month. Now I thought that this film was then going
to get a commercial release but I've also read that "Morrissey's own `Truth or
Dare' film is due for imminent release by Palace" so I'm not sure what is or
isn't to be released. Can anyone clear this up?

Simon
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Simon Hughes, Dept. of Computing, Imperial College. Email: [email protected]