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                  Posted by: bgf
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Tuesday September 23, 1997

                  Well, you better get started on more threads, I'm still
                  here. And the minute you leave, we'll start having a
                  good time again. So get going. Make some more worthless
                  threads. This is your job. You have to do it.

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                  Posted by: Old Poster
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Tuesday September 23, 1997

                  Still here, watching you waste your time. I'm reading a
                  good book, I'm not sleepy. Keep those threads coming,
                  boy.



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                  Posted by: Old Regular
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Monday September 22, 1997

                  Many of us have given up posting here. But we check
                  several times a day. Amost all of us do. And if you
                  aren't here, we post and have a good time, and others
                  notice, and join us, and pretty soon it's like you
                  were never here.

                  So, you see, you are going to have to keep coming here,
                  and spending time with us and our forum for a long time.
                  You will have to read our posts and sit there and make
                  threads for hours.

                  And every once in a while, we'll find you, and your
                  sites wil be taken down, and you'll have to start all
                  over again. The same stupid stuff about Jameson and
                  how big your cock is, endlessly for days and weeks and
                  months.

                  Any of us can leave for two weeks, or quit if we want.
                  But not you. No, you have to stay. Because, actually,
                  this forum is more important to you than it is to any
                  one of us. We aren't failures if we leave. But if you
                  leave us alone, then you will have failed again as you
                  have so many times before. Yes, you have to stay. You
                  are a slave.

                  You love the feeling of being in power. Not being
                  controlled by teachers, who think you are dumb, or
                  parents, who are so disappointed in you. Parents who
                  are heartbroken by you.

                  So here, you can make us mad, and say dirty words, and
                  we can't do anything. We don't know who you are. You can
                  strike out at us and not risk being hurt. This is
                  probably the only place like that in your world. So,
                  you are stuck here, like an ugly little fly stuck to a
                  piece of fly paper. You buzz and move your wings, but
                  you will never escape.

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                  Posted by: a Poster
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Tuesday September 23, 1997

                  Yes, Trasher, isn't this fun for you? I think it's
                  hilarious you are sitting there pushing a button half
                  the night just to keep a bunch of harmless old ladies
                  from talking to each other.

                  I've looked at some of that PLA stuff, and you act like
                  it's soe great thing to fight the phone company. But
                  pretty much what I see you doing is harrassing telephone
                  operators, and 711 clerks and neighbors. Just ordinary
                  people. People who are basically defenseless.
                  People who mean you no harm.

                  You really do pick on only people who can't hurt you.
                  But to do it, you must have these tediuos lives! Talking
                  to people you hacve contempt for and who hate you.
                  Spending time in places on the web where you have no
                  interest.

                  Talking on the phone to people you don't know. Most of
                  us won't do that unless we get paid.

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                  Posted by: I know
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Tuesday September 23, 1997

                  You are the kind that enjoy hurting little animals and
                  when they die, you feel bad. I bet you feel kind of bad
                  at times for what you've done here. You realize what a
                  creep you are. You know a healthy person wouldn't
                  bother with this. We all have those moments I guess.
                  When we see our short comings and wish we were better
                  than we are.

                  But, man, this must just happen to you all the time.
                  Just really painful guilt and self hatred.



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                  Posted by: Time
                  E-mail: Time
                  Location: Time
                  Posted on: Tuesday September 23, 1997

                  Is on my side.
                  Yes, it is.



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                  Posted by: Another View
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Tuesday September 23, 1997

                  I think the thread creation is automated in that it is
                  done via a web page where innocent web surfers click on
                  something and a thread is created here. I'm sure the
                  trash(er) checks in now and then but isn't actively
                  sitting there 24 hours a day clicking a button himself
                  to create trash threads.

                  Now if we only knew where that page is.

                  A note to anyone who ends up here, not knowing why,
                  after clicking something and seeing their browser say
                  "you have added to the discussion successfully ...".
                  Please post the URL of the page that sent you here so
                  we can stop the people harassing this forum.

                  Thank You



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                  Posted by: OK
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Tuesday September 23, 1997

                  One of the pages is right here:

                  http://www.phonelosers.org/warning.htm

                  don't click on the button.



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                  Posted by: OK
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Tuesday September 23, 1997

                  One of the pages is right here:

                  http://www.phonelosers.org/warning.htm

                  don't click on the button.



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                  Posted by: Another View
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Tuesday September 23, 1997

                  Thanks OK. I know about that one, but there are others
                  somewhere else. I shut down the www.phonelosers.org web
                  server earlier (I would rather not say how :) and the
                  new threads kept coming. Even the jameson ones did like
                  the ones that page is programmed to create. The jameson
                  threads later changed even though that page didn't, so
                  it is also coming from somewhere else.

                  I just need to know where.



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                  Posted by: To: Another view
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Tuesday September 23, 1997

                  The jameson page is still there, right where it has
                  been. The text on it is the same as the jameson thread
                  above here.

                  Don't think you closed it down. Wish you could.


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                  Posted by: Another View
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Tuesday September 23, 1997

                  Try to get to it now.



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                  Posted by: Yuck
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Tuesday September 23, 1997

                  That's morbid



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                  Posted by: To: Another view
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Tuesday September 23, 1997

                  I was just there right before Iposted. Did you just
                  have it taken down again?



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                  Posted by: Another View
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Tuesday September 23, 1997

                  I didn't have it taken down, I made it go down.

                  Subtle difference.



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                  Posted by: To Reposter
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Tuesday September 23, 1997

                  Why don't you repost that stuff on another thread.
                  There are a million empty threads out there made just
                  for you.



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                  Posted by: To: Another view
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Tuesday September 23, 1997

                  Did you go check it? Is it down? If I go to that URL
                  what will I see?



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                  Posted by: Another View
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Tuesday September 23, 1997

                  Well, this time I didn't go check, but what you will
                  probably see is your browser trying to load the page
                  and taking forever.

                  Just checked and it is down. If you have been there
                  before, be sure to click reload else your browser will
                  just load from cache.



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                  Posted by: To Another view
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Tuesday September 23, 1997

                  By god, you are right. It is down. Thanks!


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                  Posted by: Josiah Corrigan
                  E-mail: [email protected]
                  Location: Lexington, KY
                  Posted on: Tuesday September 23, 1997

                  Hello. My name is Josiah Corrigan, but you know me as
                  Psykopath. I have been paid by the Ramseys to trash
                  this forum because they know that if you all worked
                  together unhindered you could catch on to them. I was
                  not hired directly, but instead was recruited, along
                  with RBCP, Logic Box, and Tannest of the PLA, and an
                  OCI operator named Stacy by a mysterious person known
                  only as Bert, who lives in California. We are given
                  pictures of JonBenet naked and dead, taken by the
                  Ramseys, and we are also allowed access to very
                  powerful computers that the Ramsey legal team has built
                  in order to allow us to harrass you better. The PLA
                  zine was just created recently by the Ramseys, so that
                  they would have someone to take the blame for this. We
                  are sorry, because we have stopped the murderer of a
                  little girl from being arrested. My phone number is
                  (606) 223-2772, please call and I will personally
                  apologize to you via the phone. I am making this
                  confession to the forum as part of my punishment given
                  to me by the court. This is the last time I will be
                  allowed to use a computer until I am 18. My lawyer will
                  repost this, because the Judge wants to make sure that
                  it is not scrolled away by the PLA, and Stacy the OCI
                  operator. I am sorry.

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              Posted by: there
              E-mail: is
              Location: hope
              Posted on: Tuesday September 23, 1997


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              Posted by: Amish
              E-mail:
              Location:
              Posted on: Tuesday September 23, 1997

              XXX is not kidding about the warning. My husband and I
              own a PC manufacturing/distribution corp. and a customer of
              ours (an ISP) had problems with a teenager trashing the
              server and sending thousands of e-mails containing false,
              libelous and slanderous messages about the ISP. We hated to
              see the consequences of the teenager's actions as his parents
              are (were) friends of ours and I babysat for him when he was a
              toddler, but the parents refused to supervise his internet
              activities or reprimand him in any way. Hurting the business
              of the ISP could ultimately hurt OUR business as the ISP is a
              very good customer of ours.

              The boy lost his computer equipment and cannot hold an
              internet account from ANY of the ISPs! We tried to warn him,
              warn his parents, etc. but they didn't believe us. Some people
              have to learn the hard way! His parents are now out almost
              $3000 worth of computer equipment and $2000 in fines plus
              court costs and punitive damages. He also was booted out of
              the National Honor Society at school. He thought it was all a
              joke but I doubt he's laughing now. Actually, he's working at
              Burger King to repay his parents!

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              Posted by: To Amish
              E-mail:
              Location:
              Posted on: Tuesday September 23, 1997

              So there is justice! Hallelujah! Thanks for sharing
              that as it is bound to make the day so much better for us all!



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                  Posted by: SYN_Attacker
                  E-mail: [email protected]
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Wednesday September 24, 1997

                  Until that time, Denial of Service attacks
                  will continue on phonelosers.org

                  Try to connect to it

                  It seems to be having a slight response time problem.

       [One of the regulars figured out he could ping phonelosers.org a
        whole bunch and cause major lag on the site for legitimate users.
        This affected the site for about 8 hours until the system
        administrator put the site behind a firewall. ]

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                  Posted by: YAAAAAAA!!!!!
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Wednesday September 24, 1997

                  SYN_Attacker: Alright!



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                  Posted by: ???
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Wednesday September 24, 1997

                  The spam threads weren't coming from that site. And
                  it's been up and down for the last couple of days.

                  Thanks for trying, I guess. Will you still be here in
                  an hour?



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                  Posted by: Another View
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Wednesday September 24, 1997

                  At least one of the spam threads WAS coming from there.
                  The site has been up and down for the last couple days
                  by my bidding, though it seems I now have a helper in
                  SYN_attacker (thanks S_a). I make their site go down
                  for a while to see if they learn, and when things quiet
                  down here, I let it back. Pavlov training you know.
                  There are more effective techniques, but I can't get
                  them to bend over for the cattle prod. Let's see how
                  smart they are.

                  And yes, I know that at least one of the spammers seems
                  to be unconnected or uncaring of the PLA so this may
                  solve some, but not all.



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                  Posted by: SYN_Attacker
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Wednesday September 24, 1997

                  If you want to help, and don't know how to do Denial of
                  Service attacks, try using a simple PING command to
                  ping www.phonelosers.org over and over again.

                  The larger you set the packet size on the pings, the
                  more it drags down the system you are pinging. If
                  possible, use 64K packets, and set your ping program to
                  ping it thousands of times without stopping.

                  If you don't have a ping program, try finger. Finger
                  any address you can find on kracked.com over and over.

                  If the spam does not stop, then we will start Denial of
                  Service on LogicBox's hacker zine site.



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                  Posted by: SYN_Attacker
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Wednesday September 24, 1997

                  I don't care if the spams are coming from that site or
                  not.

                  RBCP has edited his webboard page to look like the BNF,
                  and has links to juggybutt's wartally page.

                  RBCP (brad carter) is supporting the spamming even if
                  his site is not doing it. He can have it stopped if he
                  tries hard enough. If he wants to remove all references
                  to BNF, then we might think about stopping.



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                  Posted by: Another View
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Wednesday September 24, 1997

                  Why wait on Logicbox? What is the address? It will be
                  down a minute after you answer. :)



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                  Posted by: ???
                  E-mail:
                   Location:
                  Posted on: Wednesday September 24, 1997

                  OK

                  That's kewl with me. I've been through this before and
                  like to separate the wheat from the chaff.

                  BBL



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                  Posted by: This is great
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Wednesday September 24, 1997

                  kracked.com was shown the spamming page on their server
                  and refused to remove it. It's true, the spams now are
                  not from there, but they do encourage it from there.



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                  Posted by: Repulsive
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Wednesday September 24, 1997

                  You have become your enemy.



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                  Posted by: Another View
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Wednesday September 24, 1997

                  To repulsive

                  Not really, if it were geocities or some other site
                  which also hosted legitimate pages, I would not take
                  the site down but rather just the page. The
                  phonelosers.org site though only has one purpose: the
                  advancing of phreaking, spamming, harassing, and such.
                  I had no problem with removing such a site from the
                  Internet after the repeated attacks performed here
                  against this site, and the lack of an effective
                  response by the powers that should be over the site
                  (kracked).

                  By the way, did you here that the biggest email spammer
                  on the Internet had his ISP access taken away due to
                  Syn attacks and ICMP flooding against him by those he
                  pissed off?



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                  Posted by: A BNF Friend
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Wednesday September 24, 1997

                  Yes, Phone Loser's site is down! Thanks to you guys!
                  Maybe they will leave our forum alone.



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                  Posted by: To Another View and Syn
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Wednesday September 24, 1997

                  I'm with you all the way!!! Thanks for your help.

                  Logicbox's isp is logic.dynamik.com

                  I think he has more sites than this.



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                  Posted by: Another View
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Wednesday September 24, 1997

                  Unfortunately, logic.dynamik.com is a virtual site
                  hosted on the www.dynamik.com server, so taking down
                  the "site" means taking down one of dynamik.com's two
                  web servers. That would deprive legit users. I will
                  have to investigate taking down just his page. Gotta go
                  for a bit. BBL



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                  Posted by: I Want TO Help
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Wednesday September 24, 1997

                  Please provide instructions on sending packets for the
                  ping and finger operations. Some of us here would love
                  to ping the hell out of these scumbags, but do not have
                  enought technical knowledge. Instructions please!



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                  Posted by: to: I Want TO Help
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Wednesday September 24, 1997

                  You got LINUX or UNIX?



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                  Posted by: Jack Harbid
                  E-mail: [email protected]
                  Location: Hell
                  Posted on: Wednesday September 24, 1997

                  You can never take the PLA down.
                  Never.



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                  Posted by: to: SYN_Attacker/Another View
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Wednesday September 24, 1997

                  I haven't noticed any disruption of service at PLA
                  central. Logged on and poked around there several times
                  today.

                  Is it just my timing or .....

                  What's up with this thread?

                  sign me: sceptical about all this.



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                  Posted by: But
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Wednesday September 24, 1997

                  We don't want to take down the PLA. We just want them
                  to leave us alone. If messing with their site helps,
                  good.

                  The site is up and down as people here mess with it.
                  I'm glad. I believe they are doing it, though I don't
                  understand how. I hope they will keep doing it and keep
                  helping us.


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              Posted by: - -
              E-mail: - -
              Location: - -
              Posted on: Thursday September 25, 1997


              That is great, how did you do that? If you explain it to me
              I'd be happy to help out a little even though it seems like
              you've got it covered. Is RBCP's name really Brad Carter? I
              personally don't think RBCP is the ringleader in all this
              but it's obvious he supports the efforts of whoever is doing
              it. Makes me sick, not ONE jbr thread on here worth
              looking at.

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              Posted by: PLA PAGE DOWN BUT NOT OUT YET!
              E-mail: The REAL RINGLEADER WAS RYAN SCOTT
              Location: They will persist until they are STOPPED!
              Posted on: Thursday September 25, 1997

              Ryan Scott (aka LogicBox) instigated the systematic destuction
              of the utility of this discussion board months ago as he
              related in PLA e'zine #45. Like most criminals the twerps in
              the PLA love to brag about their "accomplishments," including
              defrauding the telephone company, stealing security radios
              out of hotels, ripping off 7-11 stores and various other
              felonies too numerous to mention here.

              "RBCP" is the nominal "leader" of this sorry crew. Don't worry
              about him. He has been traced and identified by MANY people
              here. Nobody is going to reveal the methods that they used to
              track down these people. Oh, I forgot to mention "Tannest,"
              "Psykopath," "MadDog," and several others. Incidentally, they
              can run and TRY to hide. Their inclination to brag always is
              an asset to people trying to fight their criminal activity.



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              Posted by: A BNF Friend
              E-mail:
              Location:
              Posted on: Thursday September 25, 1997

              It is amazing to me that as much good as there is to do, their
              pursuits deal with hurting others and negativity. What sad
              lives they must lead!



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              Posted by: Jack Harbid
              E-mail: [email protected]
              Location: Hell
              Posted on: Thursday September 25, 1997

              The real PLA doesn't give a shit about BNF anymore. It's just
              other losers who are finally catching on and spamming the
              hell out of this piece of shit forum



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              Posted by: But
              E-mail:
              Location:
              Posted on: Thursday September 25, 1997

              We don't care. PLA is responsible. Sorry to use a word
              unfamiliar to you.



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              Posted by: Ping
              E-mail:
              Location:
              Posted on: Thursday September 25, 1997

              Go here (ZDNET) to find a ping program for Win 95.
              Ping the PLA.

              http://www6.zdnet.com/cgi-bin/texis/swlib/hotfiles/
              info.html?fcode=000GXO



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              Posted by: Rooter
              E-mail:
              Location:
              Posted on: Thursday September 25, 1997

              It's great that the page is down; now could whoever was
              responsible pin it to the ground until it thrashes its last
              thrash? Thanking you in advance.



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              Posted by: Uh, no so fast
              E-mail:
              Location:
              Posted on: Thursday September 25, 1997

              if the page is down, why are there so many Jameson killed
              the PLA threads above this one?

              If it's down, perhaps they have a mirror site which continues
              to send spam here. Clarification, please?



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              Posted by: Another View
              E-mail:
              Location:
              Posted on: Thursday September 25, 1997

              Yes, they have one or more other sites that are also
              propagating spam here. If we knew where these sites were, we
              could also complain to have them taken down, or if such
              complaints were ignored (like kracked did), then they could
              be taken down by people here like phonelosers.org is.

              Unfortunately, we do not know where they are. BNF does - it is
              in their logs. The people who innocently click on something
              that causes the new thread do, but they end up somewhere they
              never intended and just back out.

              If anyone finds out where these pages are, please post it so
              they can be removed.

              Thanks



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              Posted by: Maybe
              E-mail:
              Location:
              Posted on: Thursday September 25, 1997

              you should take down the founder of PLA's website at brightnet
              and see if that stops some of the threads from being made. If
              the threads stop keep his site down. If they don't stop then
              you know its not him and you can put his site back up.



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              Posted by: Y
              E-mail:
              Location:
              Posted on: Thursday September 25, 1997

              I don't think RBCP really cares that much about his website
              at bright.net. I don't think he is even on-line that much.
              I think operating the fryer at KFC is probably taking it out
              of him.

              I think they do care about their phonelosers site. There are
              a lot of sites around the net that have links to it, and they
              like to get attention.

              Other ISP's where we have found spam pages are: peak.org,
              tripod and geocities. I'm guessing they are coming from aol
              and that the main spamming is not done by innocent people who
              just happen to click on something. It picks up so much after
              school is out and continues heavy till midnight, then slows
              down.

              I think the site is referenced on a board somewhere. There's a
              good chance we will never find it, unless BNF helps. But, if
              we keep poking around on their chats and sites, we might find
              it.



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              Posted by: Willing To Help
              E-mail:
              Location:
              Posted on: Thursday September 25, 1997

              Where would be a good place to poke around their chats
              and sites? Where do they chat and who are we looking for?


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                  Posted by: Redboxchilipepper
                  E-mail: [email protected]
                  Location: Ohio
                  Posted on: Saturday September 27, 1997

                  I'm just wondering cause I haven't heard anything yet -
                  you were supposed to have the police come over and
                  arrest me. I was supposed to be extradited to Canada
                  and put in jail for 15 years. And I thought some
                  football players in Wisconsin were going to come down
                  here and tear my arms off. And whatever happened to
                  your evil plans to ping phonelosers.org to death? And
                  you STILL haven't trashed my web board that good and
                  you've given up on my guestbook, it seems. Oh yeah, and
                  my account at bright.net is still working, I thought it
                  was supposed to get shut off. What's going on? I'm
                  disappointed, where are you people? Can't you keep a
                  promise? Come on, call the mayor of Celina some more.

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                  Posted by: paper
                  E-mail: -
                  Location: -
                  Posted on: Saturday September 27, 1997

                  Obviously that's not really rbcp. We DID have his
                  account shut off. Just look at his page. It says he
                  hasn't been online in over two weeks now. It's been
                  suspended until further notice.

                  And go look at phonelosers.org, it's a little lagged,
                  wouldn't you say there "rbcp?"



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                  Posted by: I'm Back
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Saturday September 27, 1997

                  Hi do you think Marv Albert's will make a come BACK.



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                  Posted by: Marv
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Saturday September 27, 1997

                  I admit I did it with Tannest and Logic Box.



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                  Posted by: I'm back
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Saturday September 27, 1997

                  Does anyone know were the pictures of Marv teeth marks
                  are?



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                  Posted by: Logic Box
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Saturday September 27, 1997

                  Marv - please come back to me



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                  Posted by: rbcp
                  E-mail: [email protected]
                  Location: ohio
                  Posted on: Saturday September 27, 1997

                  You DID IT with Logic & Tannest?? You sickos. Was this
                  a threesome or did it occur at different times? I
                  noticed I didn't get a very good reply to my post. Come
                  on, tell me why my life hasn't ended because of you
                  guys? I bet you can't post because you're busy ruining
                  me, right?


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                  Posted by: Undercover Hat
                  E-mail: Quan...tico
                  Location: Near
                  Posted on: Saturday September 27, 1997

                  I have been suspicious of blaming the "PLA" for the
                  jamming of this board and have done some investigating
                  with the help a friend in the Eff-Bee-Eye. (She told me
                  to spell it that way for security whenever I make
                  reference to it in order to keep my messages from being
                  flagged.)

                  Fact:. The jamming started after the Boulder officials
                  returned from Quan...tico.

                  Fact: Boulder officials took the advice given by the
                  folks at Quan...tico.

                  Fact: PR is a regular on this forum using multiple
                  hats.

                  Fact: Boulder officials are jamming this forum (advice
                  from Quan...tico) to push PR over the edge. She thrives
                  on what is said here and enjoys rebutting those who
                  point the finger of guilt at her.

                  Hint: Watch for something outrageous posted by a
                  familiar hat. Watch the "hat" crash and burn big time.
                  It will be seeking recognition while at the same time
                  defending PR (and not JR).

                  Fact: This evening my friend confirmed that the thread
                  below that asks for "How Many Posters Can You Name" was
                  posted by the Boulder officials. This is to verify the
                  various hats PR has used on this forum and will be used
                  against her during the trial (yes, my friend assures me
                  there will be a trial!)

                  SO: Read that thread and see if you can crack PR's
                  multiple hats. Else, watch for a meltdown of one of our
                  own.

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                  Posted by: Patsy
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Saturday September 27, 1997

                  OOOOooooooHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
                  AAAAarrRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
                  I can't stnad it any more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                  I can't bear to start another thread about jameson
                  killing the PLA!!!!!!!!

                  WWwwwwwwAAaaaaaa!!!! I did it! I did it!!!!!
                  You finally broke me down. Oh Lazarus! Jesus bring me
                  back like Lazarus!

                  Oh, I'm going to kill myself. Right now. Where's the
                  rest of that Nembutal/Vodka combo. Oh good.
                  Plastic bag, over the head. That's it.

                  Oh before I die, I better tell who I've been po s t in
                  g a s. It' wasss s s s s
                  M ..w.a' m ..


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                  Posted by: Do
                  E-mail: you
                  Location: understand?????
                  Posted on: Sunday October 05, 1997

                  Nobody gives a rat's ass about the PLA!!!

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                  Posted by: Not True
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday October 05, 1997

                  Sadly the core faction of this group have now devoted
                  their entire lives into stalking, parodizing, and
                  mimicing the PLA.



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                  Posted by: nobody
                  E-mail: cares?
                  Location: i beg to differ
                  Posted on: Sunday October 05, 1997

                  their page counter says they've gotten over 30,000
                  hits. i imagine those are all people who visit the page
                  and say "i don't care about this shit" and never come
                  back?



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                  Posted by: wrong, wrong, wrong
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday October 05, 1997

                  to thread maker. There are law enforcement personnel
                  that are very interested in certain memebers of the
                  PLA.



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                  Posted by: Teri
                  E-mail:
                  Location: Denver
                  Posted on: Sunday October 05, 1997

                  Look. I had these mimicry pages made of Tannest,
                  Colleen and Gluegirl. Just because I'm trying to give
                  them a taste of their own medicine, does not mean I am
                  obsessed with them in any way. They are sick
                  individuals, and I enjoy any tidbit of information I
                  can get from them. So you will just have to deal with
                  this for a while, please. I anticipate that my problem
                  with them won't be going anywhere for a long time.


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                  Posted by: watcher
                  E-mail: -
                  Location: -
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  Did anyone actually read the body of that obscene post?
                  Man, this kid needs help and quick. I'll be praying for
                  you, cyberstalker. Keep the faith.

       [The "JCF" post is referring to a recent spam with the subject
        of "Jesus Fucking Christ" on it. The body of the letter was
        written by a very sick and twisted mind. Hopefully I'll have
        a copy of that to add later to this issue. ]

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                  Posted by: yep
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  Whoever created that post really does need help.
                  Notice how s/he begs to be uncovered? No doubt some
                  kind of cry for help.



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                  Posted by: Disagree
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  That sounds like a very old person writing. This is no
                  longer being done by the PLA, it's one of the forum
                  regulars, one with extensive computer knowledge. Name
                  starts with an M.



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                  Posted by: That Post is as Fake
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  as the ransom note. Somebody trying to fool us dumb
                  chickens.



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                  Posted by: It's just kids
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  with nothing better to do. It's a 1990s version of
                  calling your local grocery store to ask if they have
                  Prince Albert in a can. It's not new or original, just
                  done with different tools.

                  They'll realize one day how stupid they were when they
                  were teenagers but right now they are at the stage
                  where they think they are smarter than anyone else has
                  ever been. All of us on the forum probably remember how
                  smart we thought we were, too.

                  One day they'll actually be embarrassed that they did
                  this, but remember they are still children now and
                  can't make decisions using mature adult values yet.



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                  Posted by: Can't Agree (hat in hand)
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  I am starting to recognize the writing of one of our
                  regulars in the repetitive messages, particularly in
                  this latest JFC one. I do know that this was once done
                  by the misfit young uglies that call themselves the
                  PALS, but in the JFC message the wording and inflection
                  is most definitely IMHO, one of our own age group, and
                  someone I have read with glee almost daily.

                  It saddens me because she is one of my favorite gals
                  and has made tears of laughter fill my eyes for months.
                  To think that "one of our own" has stooped to such a
                  level makes me feel depressed and hold a sense of
                  betrayal.

                  Or maybe what makes me feel so peculiar is the nagging
                  thought that maybe "one of us" has been "one of them"
                  all along.



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                  Posted by: Also hatless for now
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  I don't know who the obscene poster is, but I know who
                  it isn't. It isn't a "kid" with nothing better to do.


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                  Posted by: Flower
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  I have risen above my attackers and cast off the heavy
                  hearted feeling of pain I have felt since I became the
                  target of *THE EVIL ONE*. Those dear, wonderful posters
                  who have shown me their love and devotion the past
                  several days have given me the strnegth to fight back.
                  I had several days to do some deep thinking and I think
                  I may have found a solution.

                  We need to take back our lovely forum and do it
                  quickly. How we can do this is by getting organized and
                  electing forum officials, officers if you may, to head
                  up our efforts. I feel we need a President,
                  Vice-President and a Treasurer. I think we should get
                  started right now and I nominate Mrs. Brady for
                  President!!!

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                  Posted by: ziggy
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  I second the motion. We need to attack back or have a
                  stong voice. Attacking may be impossible. Boulder News
                  could trace this idioits IP address if they would and
                  shut him down. He has to have a server. He could be
                  booted from internet for life.



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                  Posted by: ziggy
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  You know the forums lack of attention to thiis problem
                  is very disturbing. Maybe they are the ones trashing
                  the place.



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                  Posted by: jameson ��
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  The isp's that are attached to the offensive threads
                  are of the unsuspecting posters who "triggered" the
                  posts when they were in another area. The person who
                  set up the situation can only be traced through the
                  trigger - not the threads. Boulder News made it so any
                  one person can only start one thread an hour - every
                  one of those threads was started by a different person
                  - and they did not even know it.



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                  Posted by: China
                  E-mail: ***
                  Location: MidWest
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  Flower - I have wondered many times in the past week
                  how I could help you in a meaningful way.

                  Give us your thoughts on getting organized and what
                  process we should follow to help ourselves.



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                  Posted by: NOTICED
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  jameson uses an apostrophe when it is wrong to do so.
                  That should have been ISPs not isp's as she/he used it.
                  It seems to me an awful lot of the trasher posts come
                  from someone who makes this punctuation mistake
                  frequently as does jameson.

                  Oh, and to Flower. You have a screw loose too.



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                  Posted by: Oreo
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  Flower

                  I am so glad you are fighting back. I have missed your
                  thoughtful posts and especially out time spent at the
                  cafe.

                  I think China is very efficeint in threading and could
                  be of tremendous help to you. Unlike me, she is
                  invariably here.

                  Although she helps me to stay "on top" of things here I
                  seem to run in circles at times.



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                  Posted by: ziggy
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  notice get out of here. We dont care what you think.
                  And I didnt use my ' oops!



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                  Posted by: ziggy
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  Jameson if we go to a certain web site it will create a
                  thread here? I don't understand . Why can't Boulder
                  News run a finger. I fingered you last nite and know
                  who your server is.



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                  Posted by: Flower
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  Hello my beautiful, beautiful friends.

                  I have to giggle when I reread my first post. I had
                  been thinking to myself that here in our cyber home we
                  have no need of a Treasurer and that for some reason
                  made me type Treasurer instead of Secretary. (g) What
                  we do need desperately is a good secretary and if you
                  are up to it my sweet China, I would be happy to
                  nominate you for that responsible and much needed
                  position of honour.

                  Oreo, so nice to see you here Dear, would you like a
                  nice fresh slice of gingerbread? I have your Chai here
                  in your favorite cup and I do need a few candles, any
                  volunteers?



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                  Posted by: Ruthie
                  E-mail: Pacific 8:15 am
                  Location: CA
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  Flower: No flame intended...what would the elected
                  officials do? How would they do it?

                  The "grafitti" on this fourm, is just that. It reminds
                  me of my dog. I notice him walking around the property
                  in the mornings urinating to mark his territory. I'm
                  sure the other dogs pay attention to his efforts, but
                  higher life forms are oblivious to his efforts.

                  I don't see obsenity on this forum...you see the murder
                  of JonBenet Ramsey is the real obsenity. I don't really
                  care about the trash vocabulary exhibited here....I do
                  care that there are sincere people who post here who
                  want a just resolution to this case.

                  There are those here who are truly interested in the
                  mechanics of a mind that would commit this crime and
                  the thinking of those who make every attempt possible
                  to sway the thinking of the public regarding the
                  involvment of the parents in this case.

                  I saw a poll on television that found that 70% of the
                  American Pulbic believe that the Ramsey Family is
                  involved in the murder or cover-up in this case.

                  There are many who miss the point...sex is not obscene,
                  religious blasphemy is not obscene..you can take it or
                  leave it. Murder is final...there is no going back and
                  changing the outcome. You can't delete it....you can't
                  erase it...and please don't lose focus and ignore
                  it...JonBenet Ramsey is gone forever and all the
                  writing on the wall will never change that.

                  So let them spew, and jump up and down for
                  attention...they have no way to alter the truth.

                  To all those who have an understanding of the sancity
                  of human life, I say....stand your ground and keep the
                  form alive.

                  JonBenet Ramsey deserves at least that effort from
                  those who cared about her life, and want to send a
                  message to others who feel they can "buy" their way to
                  respectability and hide their moral turpitude behind
                  the transparent curtain of religious trappings.

                  These parents are involved in the death of their
                  daughter. Nothing they can orchestrate will ever change
                  that.

                  Those that think they can change it are morally
                  bankrupt.



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                  Posted by: Hatless For Now
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  Yes! It is so good to have you back.



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                  Posted by: Corrina
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  I applaude your desire to turn things around. I believe
                  things happen for a reason. If you get a lemon, make
                  lemon-aid. And just think Flower, you could be
                  competely ignored like me [except for an occasional
                  flame] and not ever be invited into this tightly knit
                  group..I half suspect the obsene poster is someone who
                  has been ignored..Remember, being ignored is the
                  biggest insult. Back to lurking, listening, and making
                  juice for me.Adios!



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                  Posted by: Flower
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  It is so nice to be back among dear hearts I cherish,
                  Oreo, Ruthie, and ziggy my days with you are happier
                  than I can say.

                  I know the cyber vandalism is a form of graffiti Ruthie
                  but when it's on your own person it stings and causes
                  tears. If we had elected officials then we could start
                  to become strong and less likely for cyber attacks like
                  what is happening to our haven. I would like to add an
                  addendum to my original thoughts and suggest you sweet
                  Ruthie be our forum highest level psychic. I do
                  appreciate having someone with your capability to make
                  a difference in our embrace. You dear lady are one of
                  the fibers that weave this little shawl so tightly
                  together.

                  All old posters and serious newcomers who want to be
                  involved in our upcoming elections can use this thread
                  as a sounding board. The floor is now open for
                  nominations!!! Long live our forum!



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                  Posted by: Corrina
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  Now you are trying to make your clique official. You
                  can't get rid of the obsene poster until you IGNORE.
                  There is a thread devoted to analyzing the" jerk" today
                  called JFC. This is what fuels the jerk. His object is
                  to shock and when people act shocked he continues.No
                  flames intended here, but if a certain select few want
                  to control the forum why don't you create your own paid
                  membership forum.



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                  Posted by: PromiseKeepers? Christians? People with
                  Morals?
                  E-mail: Is Boulder just a cesspool and a hellhole?
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  Is no one in Boulder incensed by the name of Christ
                  taken in vain here day after day, minute by minute?
                  Boulder, you are not part of Christian America. If you
                  can sanction these posts without demanding their
                  removal, there is no wonder you do not care about the
                  abusive murder of JonBenet.

                  You PromiseKeepers are nothing but a cult. You are
                  phoney. You stand for nothing. You are control freaks.
                  To sit in silence for over 270 days, you have shown the
                  world what you are.

                  Any place but Boulder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                  Posted by: watcher
                  E-mail: -
                  Location: -
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  I've been monitoring RBCP's ICQ account and it seems
                  that he's only online for a small percentage of the day
                  so I'm starting to wonder if it's really him doing
                  this. I know he's somehow responsible for all this but
                  I can't tell if he's making the spam threads or not.
                  Any ideas?

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                  Posted by: Just one
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  I think some of the regulars are deliberately setting
                  this up and spammning and flaming. They may get angry
                  over some perceived slight and figure that since it's
                  all such a mess anyway they might as well throw in
                  their own brand of destruction. Goes to the 'rotten
                  apple' theory.


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                  Posted by: Undercover Hat
                  E-mail: Eff-Bee-Eye
                  Location: Near
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  I have been suspicious of blaming the "PLA" for the
                  jamming of this board and have done some investigating
                  with the help a friend in the Eff-Bee-Eye. (She told me
                  to spell it that way for security whenever I make
                  reference to it in order to keep my messages from being
                  flagged.)

                  Fact:. The jamming started after the Boulder officials
                  returned from Quan...tico.

                  Fact: Boulder officials took the advice given by the
                  folks at Quan...tico.

                  Fact: PR is a regular on this forum using multiple
                  hats.

                  Fact: Boulder officials are jamming this forum (advice
                  from Quan...tico) to push PR over the edge. She thrives
                  on what is said here and enjoys rebutting those who
                  point the finger of guilt at her.

                  Hint: Watch for something outrageous posted by a
                  familiar hat. Watch the "hat" crash and burn big time.
                  It will be seeking recognition while at the same time
                  defending PR (and not JR).

                  Fact: This evening my friend confirmed that the thread
                  below that asks for "Which posters can you remember"
                  was posted by the Boulder officials. This is to verify
                  the various hats PR has used on this forum and will be
                  used against her during the trial (yes, my friend
                  assures me there will be a trial!)

                  SO: Read that thread and see if you can crack PR's
                  multiple hats. Else, watch for a meltdown of one of our
                  own.

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                  Posted by: No Hat
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  So what do two Atlanta Hillbillies wear for their first
                  day in jail? Maybe Patsy will call in Valentino for a
                  suggestion. No wait, she'll just call up some pagent
                  gown seamstress to whip up something for her. John . .
                  . you better wear some really tight underwear . . .
                  Why? Oh, you'll find out :)



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                  Posted by: Undercover Hat
                  E-mail: Eff-Bee-Eye
                  Location: Near
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  Fact: I started the first "Eff-Bee-Eye" thread at 3:58,
                  it was gone by 4:30. BNF allowed me to start another
                  thread at 4:33, less then an hour after the first.

                  Conclusion: BNF is cooperating with the BPD in allowing
                  the forum(s) to be jammed. PR must be going crazy!



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                  Posted by: Patsy is GOING crazy?
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  Hell, that dumb bitch IS crazy and her little husband
                  too!!!!



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                  Posted by: Another Hatless
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  Whoa....There is a site:
                  http://members.tripod.com/~forumsex/

                  It has pornographic pictures on it an can be accessed
                  by anyone, regardless of age. If you click on one of
                  the pictures, a message comes back from the BNF that
                  you have successfully added to the discussion, and you
                  are at the BN Forum. This is how all that obscence
                  threads are started here. If your logic about Boulder
                  authorities doing this, then are they backing the
                  pornography? I know of which I speak, and saw the site
                  earlier.



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                  Posted by: To Undercover Hat
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  Your logic makes little sense. If Patsy want to read
                  about herself on the threads, she can always mosey on
                  over to Joshua board. Duh.



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                  Posted by: Undercover Hat
                  E-mail: Eff-Bee-Eye
                  Location: Near
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  This is PR's favorite forum. She can use multiple hats
                  here. Not so on Dan's board (of course, you knew that,
                  didn't you.


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                  Posted by: Darrin
                  E-mail: .....
                  Location: USA
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  You're all going to think I'm full of it, but I have to
                  know if anyone else has had this problem. I went to the
                  PLA's discussion board for a little revenge and I
                  posted a couple messages. About 10 minutes later I was
                  Winnuked. The thing is, I have a winnuke patch on my
                  system so I figured my computer just crashed.

                  I had to reset the whole computer just to dial back in
                  and to test my theory, I went and posted another
                  message on their board and whala...winnuked again
                  within 20 minutes. Are they doing this? Is there a
                  newer version of winnuke that makes my patch outdated?
                  If anyone else has had this problem PLEASE respond here
                  as I don't want to give out my e-mail address. I'll be
                  reloading this page often to read...

                  Thanks!

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                  Posted by: Win "NUKE" is only on IRC
                  E-mail: PLA is using something else
                  Location: STAY away from their Websites.
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  These cyber-criminals are up to all kinds of nonsense.
                  Their latest site on Tripod.com contains zipped files
                  which you can be sure are loaded with viral code. If
                  you have the Win "Nuke" patch for OOB hacking, YOU
                  weren't Win "Nuked." Just don't mess with them. Send an
                  e-mail to the FBI instead, relating their activity
                  instead via anonymous e-mail and do everyone a favor!

       [Zipped files containing viral code is referring to this BNF
        archive collection which I set up on a tripod account. There
        were two options - either read the .TXT version or download
        the .ZIP version which everyone on the BNF assumed contained
        evil viral codes. Paranoid paranoid paranoid. ]

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                  Posted by: watcher
                  E-mail: -
                  Location: -
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  Actually, winnuke has NOTHING to do with IRC. Winnuke
                  is a separate program from IRC and the only reason
                  people associate it with IRC is because that's the most
                  common place to be when somebody winnuke's you becauase
                  they can get your IP address easily there.

                  If the poster who started this thread isn't full of
                  shit, this is what's happening: He posted a message to
                  the PLA's message board and one of the PLA members saw
                  the post. They looked at the PLA's log files were able
                  to see the IP address of the person who posted it and
                  then they ran the Winnuke program on that IP, hoping he
                  was still connected.
                  The only way to assure you don't get winnuked by them
                  is to log off immediately after posting a message
                  there, then reconnect. I know the PLA can see the IP of
                  people visiting their site because if you'll take a
                  look at their guestbook, they're posting the IP's of
                  people writing insulting posts towards them rather than
                  deleting them.



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                  Posted by: Hatless
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997

                  Now they are bragging about Tannest and RBCP having
                  sex. Do you think his wife knows that he is also
                  fucking Tannest now?


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                  Posted by: xx
                  E-mail: xx
                  Location: xx
                  Posted on: Tuesday September 30, 1997

                  Has the forum been discontinued?

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                  Posted by: Court Reporter
                  E-mail: 6:45 p.m. cst
                  Location: Midwest
                  Posted on: Tuesday September 30, 1997

                  I don't know what's going on here, I haven't been able
                  to participate in this forum in a week. Is there
                  another JBR forum, if so please post on this discussion
                  area. Many thanks.



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                  Posted by: ziggy
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Tuesday September 30, 1997

                  http://www.jonbenetramsey.com/bbs
                  not many posters there but there can be if people jump
                  to it.



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                  Posted by: Wild Thought
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Tuesday September 30, 1997

                  Is it possible that the Joshua 7 forum is doing this?
                  Think about it, there was quite a bit of talk about
                  users donating money to that forum to help keep it up,
                  now there's the old give us your E-Mail address if you
                  want to post. Maybe their trying to shut down this
                  forum, and force people into that forum for a reason. I
                  know this sounds far fetched, but at least it would be
                  a motive for this silliness, and not just some
                  teenagers getting their kicks nightly.



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                  Posted by: Court Reporter
                  E-mail: 7:05 p.m. cst
                  Location: Midwest
                  Posted on: Tuesday September 30, 1997

                  What is the Joshua 7 forum, have not heard of that? Is
                  it a JBR site? Thanks.


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                  Posted by: to: Wild Thought
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Tuesday September 30, 1997

                  Well, if it's not the Ramseys or the PLA or Jameson or
                  somebody else, then that must be it!

                  Are any of you people as stupid as your posts? I hope
                  that any new forums that crop up at least institute
                  some kind of elemental quiz for entry into the forum.

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                  Posted by: Grumpy
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Wednesday October 01, 1997

                  I urge you to all go check this site out but don't
                  click on anything.

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                  Posted by: To Grumpy
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Wednesday October 01, 1997

                  This site is not the one that is posting the current
                  abusive threads, so there are at least three more out
                  there somewhere!

                  view-source:http://members.tripod.com/~ramseyforumsex



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                  Posted by: Little
                  E-mail: Orphan Annie
                  Location: Kansas City
                  Posted on: Wednesday October 01, 1997

                  Threadbashers: If you are trying to kid yourself into
                  thinking your threadbashing days are
                  actually helpful to society in some way...you need to
                  see a shrink about delusions of
                  granduer, REALLY SOON.

                  If you haven't noticed, many of the posters here just
                  go on over to the Joshua Forum when
                  the threads get un-threaded. They just go elsewhere.
                  Get it? Your efforts are for naught, you naughty
                  boy/girl. Spank, spank, as The Beatles
                  used to say, "BEHAVE yourself!"



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                  Posted by: FWIW
                  E-mail: 5:45 pm CDT
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Wednesday October 01, 1997

                  This page creates these two automatic threads when the
                  images are clicked:

                  (input type="hidden" name="title" value="jameson ��
                  kills PLA!")

                  (input type="hidden" name="title" value="Flower
                  encouraged the Opinion Forum Trashing")

                  Tripod did not keep the page down as some of us
                  thought. They need some e-mails.

                  Where are the others?



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                  Posted by: FWIW
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Wednesday October 01, 1997

                  I missed this one that was added when they put the page
                  back up at Tripod this week:

                  type="hidden" name="title" value="MissMolly Had Hot Sex
                  With John



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                  Posted by: ROTFLMAO
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Wednesday October 01, 1997

                  I went there too, but then I also found Tannest's home
                  page at the bottom of the page! You have got to check
                  that one out!



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                  Posted by: FWIW
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Wednesday October 01, 1997

                  Thanks, but not interested in checking out Tannest.

                  I just e-mailed Tripod.

                  FWIW



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                  Posted by: What?
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Wednesday October 01, 1997

                  I went there and saw nothing of Tannest. Can you
                  provide the specific URL so I can see what this Tannest
                  looks like?



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                  Posted by: She Looks Like
                  E-mail: A PIG
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Wednesday October 01, 1997

                  yeah, Tannest.


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                  Posted by: Crazy Bobby
                  E-mail:
                  Location: Pensacola Fl
                  Posted on: Thursday October 02, 1997

                  HEY HEY PLA!
                  I can't believe what a fantastic new web board you
                  have, if that email wasn't a joke. Anyway, updates for
                  the PLA meetings in our area:

                  October 17th south end of the roller rink by the video
                  games.
                  BE THERE OR BE SQUARE!

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                  Posted by: RedBoxChiliPepper
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Thursday October 02, 1997

                  Bobby, you can't have unauthorized PLA meetings. If
                  you'd like to apply to have your meeting considered,
                  please email me a 3 page report stating your reasons,
                  topics of the meeting, and what the cover charge is.
                  Remember I get 50% of the profits.

                  Yes, this is our new web board. It is more often used
                  than the others, and much funner. Enjoy, and
                  remember...if you have a meeting that you didn't apply
                  for Teacher will come play with her clit while she
                  forces you to watch. Sure to induce coma, if not death.



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                  Posted by: righteous!
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Thursday October 02, 1997

                  What a bitching web board. I too thought the email was
                  a joke. anyway, here's some ideas I have for PLA
                  hats....

                  A white hat, covered in dirt.
                  Embroidered "PLA threw me away!"

                  Black hat, adjustable with a cut off brim.
                  Embroidered "PLA cut me off!"

                  Green hat, fishermans style.
                  Embroidered around the perimeter "PLA caught me and
                  threw me back in the water!"

                  Pretty clever, huh. I thought so too. I can help pay
                  for the embroidery.



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                  Posted by: Tell all those fuckers not to hit "reply to
                  all"
                  E-mail: tired of email spam
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Thursday October 02, 1997

                  Yeah, got your email rbcp. next time blind carbon copy
                  everyones email, it took like 5 minutes to just load
                  all the names. packed with info, and that was cool, but
                  all these lame-o's replying to all are pissing me off.
                  next time include in the letter not to reply, no one
                  wants to read "cool!" 110 times.



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                  Posted by: fuck yeah!!
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Thursday October 02, 1997

                  COOOOL EMAIL! PLEASE SEND MORE LIKE THAT! IT WILL TAKE
                  ME YEARS TO USE ALL THE INFO INVOVLED! IS THAT WHAT'S
                  THE NEW PLA ISSUES ARE PLEASE TELL ME SO I CAN GET ALL
                  MY FRIENDS ON THE MAIL STRING!! you are so cool, rbcp,
                  and colleen you are the hottest cutie I've ever seen.



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                  Posted by: RedBoxChiliPepper
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Thursday October 02, 1997

                  Okay, don't reply to all. Colleen's gonna kick my ass
                  if she can't get to her MacCalls patterns in email.



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                  Posted by: whoooohoooooooo!
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Thursday October 02, 1997

                  Great email. Nice format.


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                  Posted by: Crazy Bobby
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Thursday October 02, 1997

                  Hey did you like my report rbcp? I wasn't going to
                  charge anyone for the meeting but I guess I can charge
                  them like a quarter if I have to. Someone said I was
                  buying free popcorn for everyone but I can't afford
                  that. Sorry.



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                  Posted by: RBCP
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Thursday October 02, 1997

                  That report sucked. I want a much better report on the
                  double, or you can just forget the PLA meeting
                  altogether. If you're going to bother writing 15
                  paragraphs, make at least 10 of them NOT about your
                  rollerblades, please. And no, I will not send you free
                  PLA bumperstickers to sell. You think I'm some kind of
                  fucking moron? I'll never get the revenue from that.
                  Bobby, I'm gonna send someone over there to sabotage
                  your PLA meeting if you don't comply right away. That's
                  a promise.



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                  Posted by: Crazy Bobby
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Thursday October 02, 1997

                  Fuck it man, I'll just have a 2600 meeting. Emmanuel
                  doesn't charge and I don't have to write a report for
                  him. You can kiss my ass goodbye. I'm closing the
                  Pensacola chapter of the PLA, as of right now.

                  ROLLERBLADES RULE!


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                  Posted by: Equifax Guy
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Thursday October 02, 1997

                  He has 16,000 dollars in one bank account, nearly
                  40,000 dollars in certificate of deposits and IRA's,
                  and they're purchasing their home. They
                  also have a very low interest rate on their mortgage.
                  What ya say we sue some PLA?

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                  Posted by: Former Equifax person
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Thursday October 02, 1997

                  Cool idea! Let's do it!



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                  Posted by: A Class Action suit against "RBCP?"
                  E-mail: Nice idea
                  Location: Try to find an attorney.
                  Posted on: Thursday October 02, 1997

                  Please be advised: Not too many attorneys would take a
                  lawsuit against this twit on a contingency fee basis.
                  His assets are meager. And, given his history of being
                  a deadbeat and scammer, you could be sure that it would
                  cost a lot just to serve a lawsuit against him. That is
                  the bad news.
                  The GOOD news is that he appears to be the ringleader
                  of a on-going criminal enterprise known as the "Phone
                  Losers of America." It is entirely possible that a
                  United States Attorney could file against this group.
                  They have left a wide trail of evidence regarding their
                  crimes in and out of the INTERNET by their own
                  admissions. If a successful criminal prosecution
                  entailed, a class-action suit againt the principals of
                  the PLA could be pursued.
                  Not that these underaged juvenile deliquents on
                  expensive computers unsupervised by parents could pay
                  actual and punitive damages.
                  I am of the opinion that these cyber-criminals should
                  be pursued by the United States Justice Department for
                  all of the chaos that they have wrought here and
                  elsewhere. All of them really belong in a federal
                  detention facility. They have documented their previous
                  crimes rather well and surely qualify as a criminal
                  organization under the RICO act.



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                  Posted by: LOL
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Thursday October 02, 1997

                  You people need lives, or sex, or something.



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                  Posted by: WE HAVE NICE LIVES, Plenty of Married Sex
                  too!
                  E-mail: The PLA'ers need lives.
                  Location: Their unprotected sex will kill them
                  Posted on: Thursday October 02, 1997

                  All of us are happy, well-adjusted people for the most
                  part. The PLA people need to TRASH anything and
                  everything on the Internet just to make sure that they
                  are still alive. Comedy doesn't work with Parody Pages.
                  Please use condoms whenever you can. The taxpayers
                  don't need to be bled for more money for AIDS research.



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                  Posted by: Phonegate
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Friday October 03, 1997

                  Any relation to phonegate?


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                  Posted by: Colleen Card
                  E-mail:
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Thursday October 02, 1997

                  If you even think about posting on my husband's thread
                  I will email you a picture of his poop!

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                  Posted by: Tannest
                  E-mail: [email protected]
                  Location:
                  Posted on: Thursday October 02, 1997

                  you assholes are so inconsiderate i want my own thread
                  tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo



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                  Posted by: Poor "Colleen" or whatever her real name is
                  E-mail: SHE HAS BAD TASTE IN MEN
                  Location: She married RBCP, didn't she?
                  Posted on: Thursday October 02, 1997

                  Just a matter of history. I refuse as a taxpayer to
                  subsidize these people. You can go ahead and have as
                  much sex as you can stand. Just don't concieve and ask
                  for abortion or natal services if you opt out of
                  abortion. You think that you can engage in all kinds of
                  activities like TRASHING the Internet for your LAME
                  enjoyment without having someone call you on your
                  carpet?
                  Enjoy while you can. Your activities here have made you
                  a world of intelligent and influential enemies. Didn't
                  you know there would be cops on-board here?