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And in the beginning there was the forum, and it was good. People spoke, one
with the other, and many kind and polite posts were exchanged, and it was
good. And then a flamer rose up from the bowels of the forum, and caused many
of the people to frown, and post among themselves about what to do. And lo,
as the people discussed the problem, the flamer begat other flamers, and
those flamers begat other flamers, and there was much flaming throughout the
forum land.
And surely, the regular forum posters began much weeping, and gnashing of
teeth, and cried out in their misery: "Boulder News! Why hast thou forsaken
us!" And Boulder News did nothing to slay the flamer beast. And so it went
until all throughout the threads there was a wailing sound as forum regulars
entered 12-step programs to cure their addiction, and in the quiet that
followed there rose up a new generation of posters on the forum, and these
posters did not have the interest of the slain young child at heart, but
rather the interest of creating trouble....for lo, their I.Q.'s were low.
And in the blighted landscape of the war-torn remains of the forum, there
remained the ghosts of the brilliant, beautiful and graceful Fra; the
gracious and kind Texas1; the eccentric and impulsive ReAdER; the logical and
even-tempered Vincent; the efficient and good-hearted Mrs. Brady; the
wonderful and witty Jay; the Anal-retentive and offensive Rosalie/Ravana;
the hostess with the mostest Georgia Peach; and so many, many others. And
they looked upon the ruins and said "Damn. That was great while it lasted."
And they never knew who Marcie's famous partner was.
-Marcie
Texas
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Evolution of the Forum
Return to the Ramsey forum index page
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Posted by: Do tell
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
So who was Marcie's famous partner? I didn't even know
she had a famous partner and I've been coming to this
forum for many moons.
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Posted by: !!!
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
No one cares, Marcie is a stinking dyke.
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Posted by: To Marcie
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
Eat shit. We KNOW who you claim your famous 'friend'
is...but, so what? A dyke is a dyke is a dyke, and has
nothing to do with the JonBenet case. Tell her to go
sing her tune to people to give a damn.
By the way...don't let the new hats fool you, most of
the posters (including myself) have been around here
since last January, and we are still very interested in
the JonBenet case..don't give a damn about your famous
'friend' however, OR any of your infamous friends
either. UNLESS, of course, she is somehow involved in
this case. LOL
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Posted by: Incognito
E-mail:
Location: Joshua-7
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
I must apologize for all these Joshua-7 links. There is
nothing we can do (that we know of) that will stop
these messages from posting...sorry.
[In order to create confusion, the spam post subjects now read
the URL of the Joshua forum. This made some people think that
it was actually the Joshua forum spamming BNF in order to get
more web traffic.]
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Posted by: Yo Marcie
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
Take your dyke warbler and go play somewhere else. Your
disgusting and so is she. Yuk.
signed...Clean tongue.
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Posted by: Ruthie
E-mail: Pacific 9:00 am
Location: Pacific
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
J-7 links don't bother me...I don't read them. If I
want to know what is said on that thread, I will go
there.
I'm doing my best to follow active threads on this
forum and will continue to do so.
I don't know who is posting here now with serious
thought and opinion...but I'll read it.
I miss responding to a name (whatever it is) that has
some continunity...I pray for time posts in the
headings so I can find my way around a little better.
Doesn't happen...so I'll do the best I can.
I have a post regarding the JBR case on the Sunday
thread below..This is the JBR forum, isn't it?
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Posted by: Harry
E-mail:
Location: Colo
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
I'm anxiously awaiting Fra's narrative describing an
encounter with Bill Clinton at the Martha Vinyard Post
Office or, perhaps at the nude beach - maybe that would
be a more appropriate place to find Clinton.
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Posted by: Marcie
E-mail:
Location: Texas
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
Ahhhh....you prove my point beautifully.
Posts filled with hatred, insults, homophobia....
that's not a good place to be, and I am sorry for you
who have such sad lives. I don't choose to stay here
and let your insults hit me where it hurts. Those who
get flamed on here have usually tried the old "I don't
let it bother me" strategy, but we all know that no
matter how old & mature & grown-up we get, a hurt is a
hurt. I felt so very sorry for Kwan-Yin (?) when
insults were hitting her...and many others. Those
pathetic souls whose own lives are so filled with
disappointments and rotten feelings that they have a
need to punch others in the stomach while hidding
behind their computers are the bane of this forum. I
guess it's the perfect way for the angry people to tell
the world to "get fucked" without being detected.
Oh, and by the way....my partner is not a singer. While
there has been some speculation, the public does not
know my partner is gay.
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Posted by: Lurker
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
Ok, I'll bite.
Marcie, is your partner Ann Richards, former gov. of
Texas?
Just wondering since I'd heard some of those sort of
rumors about her.
Don't let the assholes get you down, Marcie. You have
always had many friends and fans here. Please stay with
us. We need your wit and friendly spirit.
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Posted by: Tara
E-mail:
Location: Seattle
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
Comeon, Marcie. Don't quit. We don't need less of you
and more of THEM. Hang in here!
I'm a real, live, dyke too. I'm not a closeted as you,
but then I don't live in a place where I have to be.
Man, I couldn't make it where you are.
I've heard Ann Richards is "family", so is she your
S.O.? Ok, never mind, because I'm sure you wouldn't out
her on the net.
Justice for All.
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Posted by: Yo Marcie
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
Last time you pulled the famous friend routine, she was
a singer. What's she this time? LOL
It's alright being gay, but then, who gives a damn what
you are? Or your 'friend'. This is not the Gay Activist
Forum, and so what in the Hell does your sex life have
to do with JonBenet?
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Posted by: *-*
E-mail:
Location: *+*
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
Good to see you, Marcie. Your "Evolution of the Forum"
is hilarious. Glad you shared it with us.
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Posted by: Tara
E-mail:
Location: Seattle
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
Hey, Buttmunch, you want to know what Marcie's
lifestyle has to do with the JonBenet murder?
In case you hadn't noticed, there don't seem to be just
a whole lot of posts about the JBR murder lately. Face
it, creep, your posts probably don't usually have much
to do with it either.
And by the way, I remember the past months with Marcie
& she NEVER claimed her partner was a singer. Someone
else made that assumption. Asshole.
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Posted by: B.J.
E-mail:
Location: CA
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
Thanks, Marcie, LOL. Just realized what's been missing
here--a little humor once in a while. Lighten up, Teeny
Brains.
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Posted by: Rosalie
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
Marcie, dearest, anal retentive? Oh well, I've
certainly been called worse on this forum. No hard
feelings at all. But I assure you I am not Ravana. To
be mistaken for that ranting person is a much "lower
blow" than being called anal retentive. I still have to
wonder if your "handle" has something to do with the
character on "Married with Children". Could it be your
partner had that name on the show? Oh well, Roses!
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Posted by: Generic observer
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
This is how I see it:
There have been flaming and PLA participation from
almost the beginning of this forum. It is not new, and
Marcie's evolution leaves out a lot.
The flaming from March-June was more vicious than
anything going on now, and it was personal among the
"regulars." It was not by kids. It's all there in the
archives except the few days which were deleted (yes,
this forum deletes things too occasionally).
The PLA are not some enemy outsider group; the older
ones been forum "regulars" all along. The current crop
of unimaginative children are groupies of these older
(20ish) regulars. Newbies who follow the links on the
PLA pages saying it is fun to come here and add spam.
The original PLA regulars discussed the case and freely
intermingled here and on the irc channels.
The forum dynamic is a lot more convoluted than "us"
against "them" and part of the mystique is each
poster's feeling that they are part of the elite.
Some of us occasionally get on our high horse telling
everyone else how they should act and how the forum
should be run. All of us try to fit in. I've posted
with a tightassed righteousness, a lighthearted
romping, and a clinical attention to reasoned debate;
some people pick one persona and stay with it. The
usual is a different hat for each persona. Some of you
are consistent with your personalities and hats, while
others change according to the mood of the forum.
Myself, I absorb the mood and am affected by it. When
the flaming is high there can be no discussion of the
case. That is why I write this now.
This forum has never been solely about the slain child.
It has always been about the internet and in that way
is no different than any bulletin board or AOL chat
room. They attract PhD's and inner-city dropouts and
every socal strata in between, as more and more people
decide the internet (or AOL) is essential in their
homes.
The only time people can talk about the case here is
when the professional bulletin board graffiti artists
are sleeping or off doing other computer work. I am one
of those who found this place because of interest in
the case, was shocked by the insane ramblings and
bickering, but stayed because of the spates of real
discussion. It's so easy to get hooked, as early
posters freely admitted. Those who really hate the
flaming leave, as the world is full of many things to
do. No one is forcing us to come here.
Sometimes it is more fun to read the archives than the
current posts, and the last two days have been like
that. But it will bounce back--it always has.
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Posted by: been
E-mail: rereading
Location: the
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
archives. Exite will find them for you. the flaming
that was going on since at least january( when I
started posting) was worst than anything the kids have
posted. It was personal insults. Had nothing to do with
information on this case. I thought that was and still
is much more imature than anythings the kids do. it was
extremely vicious and used some pretty foul language at
that. You can guess how these "adults" were raised. No
class at all!
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Posted by: To Generic Observer
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
That was an excellent addition to the history of the
forum. Good perspectives. It pulls in the essential
history with the ties to 'Net culture, which is very
important. Thanks ever so much for taking the time and
trouble to share that.
Marcie--above poster is correct. With all the flaming
that goes on here, many dropped their hats. Personally,
I was disgusted with what happened with Peggy O. She
was a good poster, too. Do stick around. Just because
Fra is not around at the moment does not mean she won't
be back.
I'm going to ask a question about your famous partner.
Does this person live in Texas or do you travel to see
each other?
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Posted by: To: Marcie
E-mail: What?
Location: You wrote
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
"Anal-retentive and offensive Rosalie/Ravana"
and then didn't like getting flamed back! tsk..tsk,
people in glass houses......
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Posted by: Question for Marcie
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
Do lesbians have more feeling in their anuses than
normal women?
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Posted by: Ruthie
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
Marcie, have you ever met Molly Ivins? She is one of my
favorite Texans!
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Posted by: a real old timer
E-mail: computerland
Location: fj
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
I see the evolution of the forum a little differently.
I've wondered if it perhaps mirrors the development of
society.
During the first two weeks or so, there were only about
ten regular posters: JR, Columbo (the original--why
didn't you come back after your vacation?), scanner,
texas1, texas2, texas3, Jay, lori, and a few others.
Back then there wasn't a separate JBR forum so the JBR
threads were mixed in amongst all the other topics. It
was a small family. No flaming. But it was scattered.
There were multiple JBR threads by topic and people
would post to several at a time. When a thread would
get nearly full, several people would create a new
thread at the same time. The first thread maintenance
system was that about 2/3 down a thread someone would
announce that they were about to create a new thread. A
few days later someone came up with the idea of
creating a series of numbered threads all at once. It
worked for quite a while.
I remember Agent X as the first poster who stuck up for
the Ramseys. Lori went after him with a vengeance to
the delight of the other posters.
It was a small, intimate board. As newcomers would find
the forum, they were generally ignored at first. If
they were persistent and stuck around for awhile, they
were eventually recognized. For example, Chrysalis and
Xanadu were initially ignored, then became part of "the
group" for several weeks.
Then the flaming started in earnest, and the IRC-board
war started. So tiring. Maybe I'll stop here--you
probably all know the rest of the story.
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Posted by: fly
E-mail: ...
Location: on the wall at 2:55 pm edt
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
Marcie - Thanks for the chuckle. Much needed.
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Posted by: Yessss!
E-mail: you can read
Location: Molly Ivins
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
at www.drudgereport.com
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Posted by: Irc
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
Could somesone explain to me the irc war. How many irc
channels are there now?
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Posted by: Generic observer
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
There are several layers of this forum -
Peggy O. is a good example. The early posts under this
hat were serious. A prankster picked up the name and it
became a one-joke marathon of obscene postings until it
got old enough and was dropped. What's in a name if no
one objects?
Jameson is the key example of a hat becoming totally
trashed and yet remaining. His stolid reappearance at
intervals is fun to behold. Even with the most careful
reading of archives it is not certain if he/she is a
prankster or a victim, since it is known that some
pranksters used established hats and imitated the style
of these hats very well. The PLA both loves/hates
Jameson. I found him offensive and then suspected he
loved playing this role and causing controversy.
Jameson is accused of posting under many hats but
surely he could not have had a factory going and
keeping all those identities straight. LindaWS (SheRa)
in her various hats is currently loved/hated/shunned by
both PLA and forum regulars. Identities are blurred.
Every newbie was accused of being DianneE. or jameson.
It's all flame war and can get TEDIOUS. But some of it
has been funny, because certain personae are so broadly
defined and open themselves up to parody. There is no
savage wit going on here now, probably because the
witty writers left, or lost interest in casting pearls
before swine? We are observing the ashes when we read
the archives!
Yet the most vital part of this forum is that it does
provide real leads (links, information, hints, clues,
original theories) - it isn't permanently dull,
stagnant, newbie-populated and one-note as the other
forums tend to be.
I'd sure like to see real irc transcripts, as the ones
that were posted appeared to be edited or completely
fabricated, and NEVER did they talk about the case even
though the ostensible reason for going to irc was to
get away from the pranksters! Surely there was some
real brainstorming there. Unless it really was just
another chai and chat diner.
I see good discussion of the case on other threads this
morning. Excellent!
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Posted by: Astrologer
E-mail:
Location: 12:30PM PDT
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
Generic: You've coined the best name yet for these
bullies: bulletin board graffiti artists!
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Posted by: elf watch
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
great posts, generic observer. This is a really
interesting place, and partly becasue there is no solid
ground. My hat has been trashed so many times, but I
never said any bad thing to anyone.
But I can't use it now becasue nobdoy trusts this hat.
When I used to lurk, I was always totally confused. PLA
always says I'm Linda, but I have no idea who she is.
But this is part of what fascinates me. Who is Linda
anyway? Does she post here?
I really think the people here are really nice most of
the time. Compare it to alt.tru-crime. The people there
just fight all the time. And not about the case. They
fight about who said what endlessly.
Here, I think people just change hats and lighten up
when things get heavy. Like this thread started out
whith flaming, but now it's settled down some.
elffy
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Posted by: READER
E-mail: TO : MARCIE
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
SINCERELY NOW.... when some nut calls you gay it is
hitting you where it hurts??????
I don't get it. If you were born to it and feel it is
alright then why would it hurt to be called what you
claim you are??
Its like Black people wanting free shit and then when
they don't get their way or get caught committing a
crime they whine.".because I am black isn't it"?
Because I am poor isn't it and worst of all. Its all
your fault I am in America being poor and getting free
stuff because of what your great - great- great
grandparents inherited.
TOO STUPID to be Funny ya know.
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Posted by: Marcie
E-mail:
Location: Texas
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
Great People are still here!!!!!!!!
::::::clicking heels together:::::::::::
Ok....I'll answer the two decent questions I saw.
Yes, my partner & I live together here in Texas.
And....yes, Ruthie....I do know Molly Ivins :)
Isn't she Great???
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Goodbye
Return to the Ramsey forum index page
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Posted by: Sorry, I can't post here anymore
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
I used to be able to come here, see 10 or so strings,
and pick through the ones I wanted to read or respond
to. I can't do that anymore, and I'm honestly growing
bored with the lax police work and the fact that there
aren't any new developments here anymore. Thanks for
the 6 months I was interested, and all the mature
people that posted. Bye kids who ruined this forum.
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Posted by: ziggy
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
DONT YOU CALL SHOHANI LAX YOU ASS
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Posted by: Linda
E-mail: 17:35
Location: Virginia
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
To above poster: I agree that it's often difficult to
wade through the muck that has been rampant on this
forum for the last few weeks (since 8/8/97). However,
I've not been one to "give up" on anything I strongly
believe in or want to follow to the end. It gets me
into trouble sometimes, but that's life.
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Posted by: Sha
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
Na na na na
Na na na na
Good bye-eye
Go-ood bye
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Posted by: doodles
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
You got it wrong... It's
Na na na na
Na na na na
Hey, Hey, Hey
go-ood by!
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Posted by: also sorry sometimes
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
to "Sorry",
I've left and come back before and hope you do the
same. All viewpoints add to the brainstorming here. The
PLA will get bored in time and go away - they already
have been winding down. It is obvious you are mature
and have thoughts to share. Today there is very little
junk, but some very insightful posts and they are no
longer hard to find, or being archived after only a few
minutes.
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Posted by: Sha
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
To doodles. Hey, you're right!
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Posted by: .
E-mail: .
Location: .
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
Yawn! Are we to care? there are other forums. Why are
you whining?
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Posted by: To: Sorry
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
I hope you come back too. Maybe if some people would
grow up (including the posters here who took it upon
themselves to flame each other before the PLA came
along) things would be different. I doubt that will
happen. We just weed through, and I hope you soon find
the patience to do so as well.
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Posted by: Bughead
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
I'm back and love it here. Sooooo . I never flame
anyone. I got flamed a lot.
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Posted by: Generic Friend
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
Don't give up, I feel that the PLA will soon find
another group to hurt and our home will once again be
peaceful and cheering to all who enter.
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Posted by: To Bughead
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
We welcome you back. We missed you Bughead.
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Posted by: READER
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
WHO LIVES HERE ANYWAY?? oh yeah. nevermind.
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How the pla can hurt you!
Return to the Ramsey forum index page
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Posted by: Watch Out!
E-mail: a@a
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 24, 1997
Web Spoofing: An Internet Con Game
Edward W. Felten, Dirk Balfanz, Drew Dean, and Dan S.
Wallach
Technical Report 540�96
Department of Computer Science, Princeton University
Introduction
This paper describes an Internet security attack that
could endanger the privacy of World Wide Web users and
the integrity of their data. The attack can be carried
out on today's systems, endangering users of the most
common Web browsers, including Netscape Navigator and
Microsoft Internet Explorer.
Web spoofing allows an attacker to create a "shadow
copy" of the entire World Wide Web. Accesses to the
shadow Web are funneled through the attacker's machine,
allowing the attacker to monitor the all of the
victim's activities including any passwords or account
numbers the victim enters. The attacker can also cause
false or misleading data to be sent to Web servers in
the victim's name, or to the victim in the name of any
Web server. In short, the attacker observes and
controls everything the victim does on the Web.
We have implemented a demonstration version of this
attack.
Spoofing Attacks
In a spoofing attack, the attacker creates misleading
context in order to trick the victim into making an
inappropriate security-relevant decision. A spoofing
attack is like a con game: the attacker sets up a false
but convincing world around the victim. The victim does
something that would be appropriate if the false world
were real. Unfortunately, activities that seem
reasonable in the false world may have disastrous
effects in the real world.
Spoofing attacks are possible in the physical world as
well as the electronic one. For example, there have
been several incidents in which criminals set up bogus
automated-teller machines, typically in the public
areas of shopping malls. The machines would accept ATM
cards and ask the person to enter their PIN code. Once
the machine had the victim's PIN, it could either eat
the card or "malfunction" and return the card. In
either case, the criminals had enough information to
copy the victim's card and use the duplicate. In these
attacks, people were fooled by the context they saw:
the location of the machines, their size and weight,
the way they were decorated, and the appearance of
their electronic displays.
People using computer systems often make
security-relevant decisions based on contextual cues
they see. For example, you might decide to type in your
bank account number because you believe you are
visiting your bank's Web page. This belief might arise
because the page has a familiar look, because the
bank's URL appears in the browser's location line, or
for some other reason.
To appreciate the range and severity of possible
spoofing attacks, we must look more deeply into two
parts of the definition of spoofing: security-relevant
decisions and context.
Security-relevant Decisions
By "security-relevant decision," we mean any decision a
person makes that might lead to undesirable results
such as a breach of privacy or unauthorized tampering
with data. Deciding to divulge sensitive information,
for example by typing in a password or account number,
is one example of a security-relevant decision.
Choosing to accept a downloaded document is a
security-relevant decision, since in many cases a
downloaded document is capable of containing malicious
elements that harm the person receiving the document.
Even the decision to accept the accuracy of information
displayed by your computer can be security-relevant.
For example, if you decide to buy a stock based on
information you get from an online stock ticker, you
are trusting that the information provided by the
ticker is correct. If somebody could present you with
incorrect stock prices, they might cause you to engage
in a transaction that you would not have otherwise
made, and this could cost you money.
Context
A browser presents many types of context that users
might rely on to make decisions. The text and pictures
on a Web page might give some impression about where
the page came from; for example, the presence of a
corporate logo implies that the page originated at a
certain corporation.
The appearance of an object might convey a certain
impression; for example, neon green text on a purple
background probably came from Wired magazine. You might
think you're dealing with a popup window when what you
are seeing is really just a rectangle with a border and
a color different from the surrounding parts of the
screen. Particular graphical items like file-open
dialog boxes are immediately recognized as having a
certain purpose. Experienced Web users react to such
cues in the same way that experienced drivers react to
stop signs without reading them.
The names of objects can convey context. People often
deduce what is in a file by its name. Is manual.doc the
text of a user manual? (It might be another kind of
document, or it might not be a document at all.) URLs
are another example. Is MICR0S0FT.COM the address of a
large software company? (For a while that address
pointed to someone else entirely. By the way, the round
symbols in MICR0S0FT here are the number zero, not the
letter O.) Was dole96.org Bob Dole's 1996 presidential
campaign? (It was not; it pointed to a parody site.)
People often get context from the timing of events. If
two things happen at the same time, you naturally think
they are related. If you click over to your bank's page
and a username/password dialog box appears, you
naturally assume that you should type the name and
password that you use for the bank. If you click on a
link and a document immediately starts downloading, you
assume that the document came from the site whose link
you clicked on. Either assumption could be wrong.
If you only see one browser window when an event
occurs, you might not realize that the event was caused
by another window hiding behind the visible one.
Modern user-interface designers spend their time trying
to devise contextual cues that will guide people to
behave appropriately, even if they do not explicitly
notice the cues. While this is usually beneficial, it
can become dangerous when people are accustomed to
relying on context that is not always correct.
TCP and DNS Spoofing
Another class of spoofing attack, which we will not
discuss here, tricks the user's software into an
inappropriate action by presenting misleading
information to that software. Examples of such attacks
include TCP spoofing, in which Internet packets are
sent with forged return addresses, and DNS spoofing, in
which the attacker forges information about which
machine names correspond to which network addresses.
These other spoofing attacks are well known, so we will
not discuss them further.
Web Spoofing
Web spoofing is a kind of electronic con game in which
the attacker creates a convincing but false copy of the
entire World Wide Web. The false Web looks just like
the real one: it has all the same pages and links.
However, the attacker controls the false Web, so that
all network traffic between the victim's browser and
the Web goes through the attacker.
Consequences
Since the attacker can observe or modify any data going
from the victim to Web servers, as well as controlling
all return traffic from Web servers to the victim, the
attacker has many possibilities. These include
surveillance and tampering.
Surveillance The attacker can passively watch the
traffic, recording which pages the victim visits and
the contents of those pages. When the victim fills out
a form, the entered data is transmitted to a Web
server, so the attacker can record that too, along with
the response sent back by the server. Since most
on-line commerce is done via forms, this means the
attacker can observe any account numbers or passwords
the victim enters.
As we will see below, the attacker can carry out
surveillance even if the victim has a "secure"
connection (usually via Secure Sockets Layer) to the
server, that is, even if the victim's browser shows the
secure-connection icon (usually an image of a lock or a
key).
Tampering The attacker is also free to modify any of
the data traveling in either direction between the
victim and the Web. The attacker can modify form data
submitted by the victim. For example, if the victim is
ordering a product on-line, the attacker can change the
product number, the quantity, or the ship-to address.
The attacker can also modify the data returned by a Web
server, for example by inserting misleading or
offensive material in order to trick the victim or to
cause antagonism between the victim and the server.
Spoofing the Whole Web
You may think it is difficult for the attacker to spoof
the entire World Wide Web, but it is not. The attacker
need not store the entire contents of the Web. The
whole Web is available on-line; the attacker's server
can just fetch a page from the real Web when it needs
to provide a copy of the page on the false Web.
How the Attack Works
The key to this attack is for the attacker's Web server
to sit between the victim and the rest of the Web. This
kind of arrangement is called a "man in the middle
attack" in the security literature.
URL Rewriting
The attacker's first trick is to rewrite all of the
URLs on some Web page so that they point to the
attacker's server rather than to some real server.
Assuming the attacker's server is on the machine
www.attacker.org, the attacker rewrites a URL by adding
http://www.attacker.org to the front of the URL. For
example,
http://home.netscape.com becomes
http://www.attacker.org/http://home.netscape.com. (The
URL rewriting technique has been used for other reasons
by two other Web sites, the Anonymizer and the Zippy
filter. See page 9 for details.)
Figure 1 shows what happens when the victim requests a
page through one of the rewritten URLs. The victim's
browser requests the page from www.attacker.org, since
the URL starts with
http://www.attacker.org. The
remainder of the URL tells the attacker's server where
on the Web to go to get the real document.
( Too big to transmit ... DF (I have it if you want it)
)
Figure 1: An example Web transaction during a Web
spoofing attack. The victim requests a Web page. The
following steps occur: (1) the victim's browser
requests the page from the attacker's server; (2) the
attacker's server requests the page from the real
server; (3) the real server provides the page to the
attacker's server; (4) the attacker's server rewrites
the page; (5) the attacker's server provides the
rewritten version to the victim.
Once the attacker's server has fetched the real
document needed to satisfy the request, the attacker
rewrites all of the URLs in the document into the same
special form by splicing
http://www.attacker.org/ onto
the front. Then the attacker's server provides the
rewritten page to the victim's browser.
Since all of the URLs in the rewritten page now point
to www.attacker.org, if the victim follows a link on
the new page, the page will again be fetched through
the attacker's server. The victim remains trapped in
the attacker's false Web, and can follow links forever
without leaving it.
Forms
If the victim fills out a form on a page in a false
Web, the result appears to be handled properly.
Spoofing of forms works naturally because forms are
integrated closely into the basic Web protocols: form
submissions are encoded in URLs and the replies are
ordinary HTML Since any URL can be spoofed, forms can
also be spoofed.
When the victim submits a form, the submitted data goes
to the attacker's server. The attacker's server can
observe and even modify the submitted data, doing
whatever malicious editing desired, before passing it
on to the real server. The attacker's server can also
modify the data returned in response to the form
submission.
"Secure" connections don't help
One distressing property of this attack is that it
works even when the victim requests a page via a
"secure" connection. If the victim does a "secure" Web
access ( a Web access using the Secure Sockets Layer)
in a false Web, everything will appear normal: the page
will be delivered, and the secure connection indicator
(usually an image of a lock or key) will be turned on.
The victim's browser says it has a secure connection
because it does have one. Unfortunately the secure
connection is to www.attacker.org and not to the place
the victim thinks it is. The victim's browser thinks
everything is fine: it was told to access a URL at
www.attacker.org so it made a secure connection to
www.attacker.org. The secure-connection indicator only
gives the victim a false sense of security.
Starting the Attack
To start an attack, the attacker must somehow lure the
victim into the attacker's false Web. There are several
ways to do this. An attacker could put a link to a
false Web onto a popular Web page. If the victim is
using Web-enabled email, the attacker could email the
victim a pointer to a false Web, or even the contents
of a page in a false Web. Finally, the attacker could
trick a Web search engine into indexing part of a false
Web.
Completing the Illusion
The attack as described thus far is fairly effective,
but it is not perfect. There is still some remaining
context that can give the victim clues that the attack
is going on. However, it is possible for the attacker
to eliminate virtually all of the remaining clues of
the attack's existence.
Such evidence is not too hard to eliminate because
browsers are very customizable. The ability of a Web
page to control browser behavior is often desirable,
but when the page is hostile it can be dangerous.
The Status Line
The status line is a single line of text at the bottom
of the browser window that displays various messages,
typically about the status of pending Web transfers.
The attack as described so far leaves two kinds of
evidence on the status line. First, when the mouse is
held over a Web link, the status line displays the URL
the link points to. Thus, the victim might notice that
a URL has been rewritten. Second, when a page is being
fetched, the status line briefly displays the name of
the server being contacted. Thus, the victim might
notice that www.attacker.org is displayed when some
other name was expected.
The attacker can cover up both of these cues by adding
a JavaScript program to every rewritten page. Since
JavaScript programs can write to the status line, and
since it is possible to bind JavaScript actions to the
relevant events, the attacker can arrange things so
that the status line participates in the con game,
always showing the victim what would have been on the
status line in the real Web. Thus the spoofed context
becomes even more convincing.
The Location Line
The browser's location line displays the URL of the
page currently being shown. The victim can also type a
URL into the location line, sending the browser to that
URL. The attack as described so far causes a rewritten
URL to appear in the location line, giving the victim a
possible indication that an attack is in progress.
This clue can be hidden using JavaScript. A JavaScript
program can hide the real location line and replace it
by a fake location line which looks right and is in the
expected place. The fake location line can show the URL
the victim expects to see. The fake location line can
also accept keyboard input, allowing the victim to type
in URLs normally. Typed-in URLs can be rewritten by the
JavaScript program before being accessed.
Viewing the Document Source
There is one clue that the attacker cannot eliminate,
but it is very unlikely to be noticed.
By using the browser's "view source" feature, the
victim can look at the HTML source for the currently
displayed page. By looking for rewritten URLs in the
HTML source, the victim can spot the attack.
Unfortunately, HTML source is hard for novice users to
read, and very few Web surfers bother to look at the
HTML source for documents they are visiting, so this
provides very little protection.
A related clue is available if the victim chooses the
browser's "view document information" menu item. This
will display information including the document's real
URL, possibly allowing the victim to notice the attack.
As above, this option is almost never used so it is
very unlikely that it will provide much protection.
Bookmarks
There are several ways the victim might accidentally
leave the attacker's false Web during the attack.
Accessing a bookmark or jumping to a URL by using the
browser's "Open location" menu item might lead the
victim back into the real Web. The victim might then
reenter the false Web by clicking the "Back" button. We
can imagine that the victim might wander in and out of
one or more false Webs. Of course, bookmarks can also
work against the victim, since it is possible to
bookmark a page in a false Web. Jumping to such a
bookmark would lead the victim into a false Web again.
Tracing the Attacker
Some people have suggested that this attack can be
deterred by finding and punishing the attacker. It is
true that the attacker's server must reveal its
location in order to carry out the attack, and that
evidence of that location will almost certainly be
available after an attack is detected.
Unfortunately, this will not help much in practice
because attackers will break into the machine of some
innocent person and launch the attack there. Stolen
machines will be used in these attacks for the same
reason most bank robbers make their getaways in stolen
cars.
Remedies
Web spoofing is a dangerous and nearly undetectable
security attack that can be carried out on today's
Internet. Fortunately there are some protective
measures you can take.
Short-term Solution
In the short run, the best defense is to follow a
three-part strategy:
. disable JavaScript in your browser so the attacker
will be unable to hide the evidence of the attack;
. make sure your browser's location line is always
visible;
. pay attention to the URLs displayed on your browser's
location line, making sure they always point to the
server you think you're connected to.
This strategy will significantly lower the risk of
attack, though you could still be victimized if you are
not conscientious about watching the location line.
At present, JavaScript, ActiveX, and Java all tend to
facilitate spoofing and other security attacks, so we
recommend that you disable them. Doing so will cause
you to lose some useful functionality, but you can
recoup much of this loss by selectively turning on
these features when you visit a trusted site that
requires them.
Long-term Solution
We do not know of a fully satisfactory long-term
solution to this problem.
Changing browsers so they always display the location
line would help, although users would still have to be
vigilant and know how to recognize rewritten URLs.
For pages that are not fetched via a secure connection,
there is not much more that can be done.
For pages fetched via a secure connection, an improved
secure-connection indicator could help. Rather than
simply indicating a secure connection, browsers should
clearly say who is at the other end of the connection.
This information should be displayed in plain language,
in a manner intelligible to novice users; it should say
something like "Microsoft Inc." rather than
"www.microsoft.com."
Every approach to this problem seems to rely on the
vigilance of Web users. Whether we can realistically
expect everyone to be vigilant all of the time is
debatable.
Related Work
We did not invent the URL rewriting technique.
Previously, URL rewriting has been used as a technique
for providing useful services to people who have asked
for them.
We know of two existing services that use URL
rewriting. The Anonymizer, written by Justin Boyan at
Carnegie Mellon University, is a service that allows
users to surf the Web without revealing their
identities to the sites they visit. The Zippy filter,
written by Henry Minsky, presents an amusing vision of
the Web with Zippy-the-Pinhead sayings inserted at
random.
Though we did not invent URL rewriting, we believe we
are the first to realize its full potential as one
component of a security attack.
Acknowledgments
The URL-rewriting part of our demonstration program is
based on Henry Minsky's code for the Zippy filter. We
are grateful to David Hopwood for useful discussions
about spoofing attacks, and to Gary McGraw and Laura
Felten for comments on drafts of this paper. The figure
was designed by Gary McGraw.
For More Information
More information is available from our Web page at
http://www.cs.princeton.edu/sip, or from Prof. Edward
Felten at
[email protected] or (609) 258-5906.
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Posted by: LOL
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
The PLA are not hackers. There is no way they are that
good!
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Posted by: Watch Out!
E-mail: a@a
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
In other words, all you need to do is go to a web page
that the attacker controls (one they have written) and
you are a fly in a spider's web. You have been caught
in a FALSE web.
To protect yourself, if you visit a pla page, accept no
cookies, disable java, and disable javascript. Visit no
sites after the pla incursion. Log off the net, in case
you were caught in a FALSE web (that will free you).
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Posted by: WO
E-mail: a@a
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
LOL - I tend to agree with you, but with characters
like these, you can never be "too careful". They may
have friends who can do this.
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Posted by: oiwhilkweh
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
get bent queer
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Posted by: Dr Fang
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
The whole world was created by the PLA. They are doing
experiments on you right now.
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Posted by: dfdfgsdfh
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
oh i'm scared
pla are pussies
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RBCP I'VE GOT YOU
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Posted by: you stealing crime wave phone loser
E-mail: lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
Location: lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
I've found you bud. Better start packing up that fam of
yours cuz its just hours till someone knocks on your
door. It was the most fun search of my life. But you
left to many clues. LOL
[Yeah, like RBCP's home address on his web page. Boy,
what an amazing cyber-sleuth. ]
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Posted by: To Gotcha
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
Yeah, well, you've said that about a million times.
I'll believe it when I see it.
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Posted by: PLEASE
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
Oh Sweet Jesus, let it be true.
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Posted by: Odd
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
Your web page said your off your computer since late on
Sunday. But now you're supposed to be on it? Sure you
are. Must be a little teen cronie of yours posting
that. So pathetic.
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Forum Lifeboat Thread
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Posted by: GSH
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
Jump aboard!!!
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Posted by: Kuan-Yin
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
Today I ask all sincere forum members to think dark
thoughts towards rbcp, so that our light may shine
again.
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Posted by: TT.
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
GSH and KUAN-Yin: what is this mysterious thread for?
What does sticking in the last pin mean on JBR #1
active thread?
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Posted by: READER
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
WHAT IS RBCP?
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Posted by: jameson ��
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
Koby is back from vacation, Hunter had his recently -
whose turn is next - Enquiring minds want to know.
Have to follow SOME news out of Boulder! :)
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Posted by: TT to READER
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
I am trying to find out what it is, and which threads
create others when you hit on them?
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Posted by: /
E-mail: /
Location: /
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
TT, reading threads HERE will not create a new thread.
Going to some of the sites mentioned on these extra
threads and clicking on icons there HAS been a problem.
Just don't go to those foreign sites. You can safely
look at anything here.
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Posted by: Techie
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
There is nothing bad that come happen by looking at any
thread here. In the past, the pla has posted URLs for
websites that had the capability to create threads
here. People went to these URLS and clicked on an
image, and this created a thread here.
We saw what they were doing and called the ISP where
the web site was and it was closed down. Since then,
PLA still has moved the website, but I think they just
use it themselves to create threads here. They don't
tell us where it is.
People here don't crete threads by clicking on anything
here. PLA has suceeded in making a lot of people
paranoid. Just don't pay any attention to the threads
that all have the same name. The automatically created
thread name is sometimes a URL. But this is just text
as it appears here. You can't go there unless you paste
it into your location entry area on your browser. Just
don't do that and you'll be fine.
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Posted by: READER
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
I DONT BELIEVE THAT threads are procreating.....
someone want s the Teacher said all this before it was
accessable stuff to disappear. FAST
Go to the READER points out killer thread before it is
gone. It is referring to last night CNBC and Ransom
note and forum infor that came from the web-imp . IT
COMES BEFORE THE NEWS is released So the threads began
building as soon as I pointed out what YOU ALL MISSED
by leaving for the weekend trash. IT was and is here on
weekends. IT could be the perp.
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Posted by: Your Mom
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
TO READER: Please get some sleep, dear. We'll talk
about going back to the rehab when you wake up.
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Posted by: TT to Techie
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
Gee, that was helpful, thanks. I have asked before, the
poster / on another thread said the same. Great relief!
I sure didn't want to make more threads, no way.
One more question please:
If these multiple threads, same geoc./spessa etc. How
do they get more than ONE an hour, sorry if that has
been stated already.
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Posted by: Techie
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
I think they may have several people working on this.
At certain times of day, it's very slow, like only one
person is doing it. Other times, at night especially, I
think they have several people doing it at once. The
URL for the thread creating page may be on a bulletin
board somewhere.
Anyway, you can post more than once an hour if you log
off and then log on again.
I think some of the kids who post here may be getting
ready for the Special Olympics and won't have as much
time as they did. Hope they make the team! It's nice
for them to succeed at something.
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Posted by: TT to Techie
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
Thanks again. Got it now. big sigh..... out now.
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the reason behind all these threads
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Posted by: READER
E-mail:
[email protected]
Location: TEXAS
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
The minute I started trying to tell yall about the
weekend that Teacher wrote all the quotes being quite
before the realease of the quotes from the Ramseys
ad..........new threads popped up right and left. IT
was very obvious.
For those of you that are somewhat new. The so=called
PLA and IT and Sissy Boy started the wars inhere by
taking a Lady name Jayne-Lisa's (teacher for real) hat
and Jamesons hat and saying stuff similar to what they
would say then adding bizarre and sick things in about
THE CASE and then towards the othe.
Whatever you choose to call the web-imp, IT is clever.
Clever enough to have killed Jonbenet and clever enough
to have staged the whole thing. Does not mean it was JR
and PR. or Burke......but would at least have to have
very close access to all.
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Posted by: TO READER
E-mail:
Location: TT
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
Thanks for explaing, but I am still not clear about it.
I have read another thread about this below. then the
Lifeboat thread. Are they connected. Is this another
joke besides all the spamming threads.
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Posted by: READER
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
NOT A JOKE AND it seems they or IT can mess with yuo. I
was asked last night which thread I was on and I said
many. I think my computer is so fast that it cannot get
what it needs from me. While I was posting below to
explain to Mrs. Brady and Nina and all, I started
shutting donw. Going to try and make short posts. It
could be coincidental and cause d by heavy Mon morn
traffci..
Can't take time to correct just in case.
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Posted by: Your Mother
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
Reader: I think a couple of cups of black coffee or a
few hours sleep, one or the other, might be in order.
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Posted by: /
E-mail: /
Location: /
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
READER, There is no reason for the killer to monitor or
to try to disrupt this forum. This forum will not solve
the crime or have any effect on anything except the
lives of those posting. Those saying the Ramseys, the
killer, the tabloids, etc. are manipulating this forum
are just paranoid.
TT, the forum is being attacked because a bunch of
morons (PLA and others) think the forum is stupid and
think it's fun to attack it. It is the cyberspace
equivalent of making "Do you have Prince Albert in a
can?" phonecalls, blowing up mailboxes, or
spraypainting graffiti.
Don't worry about it. Ignore it. Don't go to the web
sites given on the intruder threads. Some of those
sites have been rigged to post threads here and
elsewhere, and that compounds our problem. Don't worry
about reading the threads here. That has not caused
threads to be posted here or elsewhere.
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Posted by: Whatever
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
Nevertheless the murderer wrote about the movies that
the quotes came from before it was logical for anyone
to have known that, and the murderer wrote about it on
this forum, and nothing can change that
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Posted by: READER
E-mail: BEEN HERE ON WEEKENDS.
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
THANKS, YOU COMIN over to fix it for me.? I am glued to
the forum.
The McReynolds could NOT HAVE pulled this off without
help.........where IS there daughter??? Wasn;t her
friend molested and she unharmed except emotionally.?
They would be clever writers.
Then again so would Patsy , JR. so on and so on.
You, the owner of the Forum that is going to TELL ON
EVERYONE for having opinions. Gee.....get a grip.
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Posted by: TT to /
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
I welcome your response. I am now clear as to the
goings on I guess. I have wondered why etc. and nobody
really made a reply. Will continue to post under my
other "HAT" now and be less paranoid. Thanks much!
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Posted by: /
E-mail: /
Location: /
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
whatever, can you post the archived thread numbers for
this? That would be interesting and helpful.
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Posted by: TT to /
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
I asked that from whatever, the reply was "go to your
own archives" I said I didn't have any but remember
only posts about movies at the same general time as
other posters. :-)
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Posted by: Help!
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
I don't remember Teacher or anyone saying anything
about the movies until after the leaks from the note.
Are you saying Teacher was the killer?
What does Jameson have to do with it?
I thought the PLA was just trying to break up the forum
and I didn't think they paid any attention to the
subject at hand.
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Posted by: /
E-mail: /
Location: /
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
TT, The archives refer to the archived threads from
this forum. To access them go to BoulderNews home page
and click on Ramsey archives box (right), then on
archives box (or similar, at left), and whatever month
you want. You shouldn't have to do the research for
Reader, though. She's the one who should do the
homework.
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Posted by: To Help
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
Reader has said July 27th or Aug. 6th archives, Teacher
or IT posted the movie Dirty Harry quotes before it was
public. Another thread above now. what is it? Dunno????
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Posted by: helper
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
http://www.bouldernews.com/BoulderNews/Ramsey/index.htm
Click on whatever month you want from the archives,
hope this helps:)
You can highlight the URL go to your edit and select
paste and there you go.
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JBR FORUM gets BUTT KICKED
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Posted by: * * *
E-mail: *(*
Location: later
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
Yuk, yuk, yuk LOSERS
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Posted by: Nancy
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
Oh yeah, you really kicked our butts! You spammed a
forum that has no protection. What a guy!!!!
You're so powerful, and intelligent the way you hacked
into this site!!
Bow down to the ultra hackers. There is no system that
can stop them.
hahahahahahaha
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Posted by: Harold
E-mail:
Location: SF
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
PLA Sucks! Members of PLA also Suck!
You guys don't know the difference between hackers and
creeps.
Hackers have some intelligence and some reason. You
kiddy creeps have the same smarts as spray can vandals.
I wouldn't boast about vandalism that only takes a
moron brain.
Pretty soon your efforts will no longer be worth the
little kick you get out of trashing things, and you
will lose interest.
Then the forum will get back to normal.
I am looking forward to that day. Get lost, morons!!!
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Posted by: NONONONONONO
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
FOR THE LAST TIME, THE PLA ARE _NOT_ HACKERS!!!
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Posted by: The PLA
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
Are not even human.
dodododo dodododo doooooooooo It's the Twilight zone.
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Posted by: +
E-mail: ++
Location: +++
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
Anybody can trash a forum! How does that equate with
accomplishing anything?
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PLA DWEEBS
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Posted by: Nachochinq
E-mail: Masterrace.com
Location: Fatherland
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
Greetings to PLA;
EXPLAIN to me how you can plug the coin return in
a pay phone with gum ????
What brilliant arch criminals yous are. Yer My heroes..
Yers truly Nachochinq
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Posted by: RBCP
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
Ok, I'll tell, but it's a secret.
Take a pice of gum and unwrap it. I like Grape
Bubbalicious. Put it in your mouth. Chew. Keep chewing
until it's chewed really good. Go to a payphone. Take
the gum out of your mouth and out it in and around the
coin return. Repeat as necessary.
Cool huh?
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Linda got arrested today
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Posted by: Kender
E-mail:
Location: Krynn
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
It was all over the news, yesterday, Linda got arrested
for propositioning a four year old hispanic boy.
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Posted by: Anonymous
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Monday August 25, 1997
I heard about it, and they are saying they might allow
into evidence some tapes that contain scenes of her
raping young males with large green didlos
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Tripod Response
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Posted by: LIL
E-mail:
[email protected]
Location: CA
Posted on: Tuesday August 26, 1997
Thank you for your concern and for bringing this to our
attention. The page you are referring to is no longer
being served by Tripod.
Hi Folk; This response came back from TRIPOD when I
emailed them to complain about our PLA thread pukes. I
thought I had noticed some improvement, maybe this did
have an affect. In any case, the pukes a well repeated
PLA URL have been delt with. Hope it sticks.
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Shut up Linda!
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Posted by: Megan
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Tuesday August 26, 1997
We all know your posting and answering your own post
under different hats!
You are a disgusting person, get a life and stop
talking to yourself!!
Why dont you go find some dumb old lady to bilk out of
her life savings with your mystic garbage!
only a retard would think that something a con artist
like you would say may be true. Go find a boardwalk to
tell fortunes on and get lost you straw haired spook.
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Posted by: hahhaha
E-mail: hhahah
Location: hhahah
Posted on: Tuesday August 26, 1997
Now THATS a post you KNOW linda did not write to
herself!!! Notice other post are never TOO hard on her?
well thats cause she posts em herself and can't bruise
her own ego too much.
hahhaha your so easy to figure out
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Posted by: yeah it's real obvious
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Tuesday August 26, 1997
damn Linda, or shera or whoever you are, we're tired of
you making this your stage for attention. Cant you find
some real people to talk to? If that page is
"unauthorized" as you say, why don't you get it taken
down? you seem to love the fact that all kinds of
people are going to look at your picture, and read your
stupid ramblings about voodoo. there are plenty of
newsgroups for "psychic" people such as yourself, go
advertise your page there.
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Posted by: Megan
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Tuesday August 26, 1997
Come on people!! Let Linda know we don't care if she
thinks she is guilty or not, she has to go!
Now this is not so much of a problem for me, I find
people who talk about psycics inane.
Don't be taken in by the snow job Linda lays down, if
you think she is trustworthy then someone should sell
you swampland in florida, cause your a sucker!
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Posted by: YAWN
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Tuesday August 26, 1997
Linda is foolish and amusing in her pathetic way.
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It appears that the PLA really are Losers
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Posted by: Eye
E-mail: Never
Location: Giveup
Posted on: Tuesday August 26, 1997
They have been forced to disable their Forum. They can
no longer post cool html to their guestbook. Their
whole page really sucks! There's nothing on it besides
ancient phone phreaking secrets now.
I don't think I'd be bragging about kicking anyone's
butt if I were them.
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Posted by: i know it
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Tuesday August 26, 1997
they are crying babies. WAh
wahwahawhhawhwhahwahhwahwahha
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Posted by: Megan
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Tuesday August 26, 1997
Guess you did not read "Shut up Linda"
Go find someone who cares voodoo looser
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Posted by: Telstar
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Tuesday August 26, 1997
Linda go burn some incense in your ass!
Go play pretend on irc
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Posted by: ROTFLMAO
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Wednesday August 27, 1997
Linda,
Take your battle with the kiddies back to mirc, it's
becoming tiresome here. You are egging this on and they
seem to be ignoring you now.
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I (the real LindaWS)did NOT post these things
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Posted by: LindaWS
E-mail:
[email protected]
Location:
Posted on: Wednesday August 27, 1997
Why do you think I did? And why, do you think that I am
not psychic? I am an intelligent, honest psychic
individual, and that intimidates a lot of people. I'm
used to it.
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Posted by: .
E-mail: .
Location: .
Posted on: Wednesday August 27, 1997
Your a psychic answer your own questions! :)
Can you guess what we all think of you? psychic
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Posted by: To LindaWS
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Wednesday August 27, 1997
Listen carefully, the forum is sick of you, the PLA,
and your little war. Go back to Transylvania!
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Posted by: Megan
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Wednesday August 27, 1997
Come on Linda, run your flim flam scam somewhere else,
like mirc.
You know, sometime back psychics used to be known by
another name... Gypsys!! Any big city cop will tell you
to stay clear of these people because they were the
biggest of the con artists.
Stop lying and break off from the forum!
It's funny back in the days before PC we used to call
"psychics" Gypsys, and we used to call "homeless" BUMS
(which they are) Lets get rid of PC!
hehheh
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Posted by: To Megan
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Wednesday August 27, 1997
What's your last name?
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Posted by: Megan
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Wednesday August 27, 1997
Oh I see, Your psychic powers only work when somebody
is paying.
Well I'm sorry if you want my last name you'll have to
invoke your higher power.
Judging by your display and content of character I
think that giving you personel info just might not be
to my favor. Did you really expect response other than
that?
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Posted by: Disappointed
E-mail: To Megan
Location:
Posted on: Wednesday August 27, 1997
Yes I did, Megan, and I guess I'll just have to learn
to be less naive.
I am hoping you will change your mind.
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Posted by: LindaWS
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Wednesday August 27, 1997
I did not choose to become targeted by the PLA. They
singled me out and continue to harass me to this day.
My only reason for retaliating against them was to help
clear this forum of them. Is that not what we all want?
It seemed that was the case to me, until you all
started picking on me. Perhaps you would rather I just
be quiet and let them have thier fun ruining this
forum? I guarantee things around here will be much
worse once I stop intimidating them. They are very
scared of me, you know. They know the powers that I
have and they know I have voodoo dolls of each of them.
Why do you think they haven't been around much lately?
The answer is simple. I have placed pins in the hand of
the dolls, which in turn instigates a form of
arthritis. I believe that their hands hurt them so much
that they haven't had the will to type, make pages
about us or create new ways to spam the board. If you
want me to take the pins out, I will oblige. If you
want me to leave, I will do so with no further comment.
As for impersonating other professions on the IRC, who
hasn't done that? Everyone likes to roleplay. I find it
fun to play a psychiatrist and have people tell me
their problems. It is good for them to get their
emotions out. I have had many people thank me for being
a shoulder to cry on, and for listening to them and
suggesting ideas with which to solve their problems.
Sometimes I do like to like to impersonate a
veterinarian, because I find animals fascinating and it
is great fun to talk to other veterinarians. I would
have no other opportunity to do so. I really am a
museum curator, so that isn't a role that I'm playing.
LindaWS
SheRa
DrQ
elf watch (when it's not Tannest, that is)
many other hats in the last 8 months
If you want me to go, just say so.
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Posted by: no kidding
E-mail: sick
Location: to death
Posted on: Wednesday August 27, 1997
This Linda person is the main problem on this board
now. The PLA seems to have gone away, more or less, but
Linda continues to ruin the forum. Quit it, Linda,
PLEASE. It looks as though the war is somewhat over but
you're just trying to stir things up again. If they're
bothering you off of this forum then deal with it
there.
[The following few posts are from the Opinion Forum, a forum
not related to BNF in any way other than being hosted on the
same domain. BNF Regulars go there to post about the JBR
case when discussion becomes impossible on the regular forum. ]
Damned Ramsey Boarders
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Posted by: Keep your fools over there
E-mail: we don't want it here
Location:
Posted on: Sunday September 21, 1997
You may enjoy playing with those kids, but we sure
don't. I've seen the stupid games you play with them,
and now you've brought them over here. Boulder News,
please get rid of the Ramsey Board!
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Ooooo, my big hard dick wants to dive into your de
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Posted by: jameson ��
E-mail:
[email protected]
Location: Hickory, North Carolina
Posted on: Sunday September 21, 1997
Okay, I found some very offensive posts by the people
over at the Ramsey board and I'm quite pissed off that
they are trying to TRICK me by posting in a single
thread over here. That is just not cool and I'm sorry
to say that I'll have to take my anger out on the
Opinion Forum.
It's nothing against you people personally, please
understand that. I'm a really nice guy and I get my
paperwork the the wellfare office on time just like any
other good citizen, but when I see Dead Girl Stalkers
trying to pull a fast one on me, it just makes me mad.
Here are the offending posts:
----------
We are only asking for one thread to use until BN
solves the problem over
there. We do not want people to forget that a
six-year-old girl is rotting in a grave in Georgia
while the person who raped, strangled, bludgeoned and
brutalized her is walking around free-- maybe right
there in your lovely town of Boulder.
-----
And this is the reply post:
-----
If you'll notice, there's more than one thread on this
opinion forum about
the ramsey case. And when the brats on the ramsey forum
see you coming
over here, they will come over here next and trash this
one. That is why this forum is asking you to go back to
the ramsey forum. it's a little hard to forget the
ramsey case with all the media hype, don't you think.
---------
You're so right, sir. Have a nice day!
[After that post, the spammer(s) went crazy, spamming the Opinion
Forum with the same post, over and over and over making it nearly
impossible to hold a discussion. ]
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Posted by: to the assholescents
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday September 21, 1997
Why don't you little monsters go to the Buff Zone, or
are you afraid of that one? Notice you've never trashed
there. Think we know why. Because you know damn well
you can't get away with it over there because that one
really is off limits to the likes of you. Boulder News
doesn't care about the other Forums, but you know you
can't do the trashing there for you'd never get away
with it. That is where The News draws the line on your
stupidity. Ha! At least we know you know there are
limits to what you are allowed to do and where you can
actually trash. Nice to know at last that you are
indeed fallible. And obviously vulnerable. It's simply
delicious, little imps.
[After this post, the Buff Zone (a sports forum) was severely
trashed, although nobody ever seemed to post real discussion
there anyway. Now, back to the regular BNF posts...]
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LogicBox's IRC Channel (#bigbeefbueno)
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Posted by: IRCop
E-mail:
Location: DALnet
Posted on: Friday August 29, 1997
There are now about forty people that Logicbox had to
BAN from his chat channel #bigbeefbueno, you can look
at this by going into the channel and double click
anywhere (mIRC), a dialog box with a list of banned
people will appear.
Last night it was half as many people banned, Do you
think he has been getting alot of annoying people
comming into the channel?
I'm having a good belly roll watching that ban list get
bigger and bigger. Anyway, anyone with an IRC client
can go in and peek around even say "hi"
You can easily get mIRC from Tucows, installs in a
snap.
Don't have too much fun at logics expence
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Posted by: LOL
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Friday August 29, 1997
It's a trick. The PLA is trying to get your IP address.
NEENER NEENER NEENER.
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Posted by: huh
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Friday August 29, 1997
what good is an ip address? thats just
(server).(domain).(com)
All that tell someone is what server you happen to be
logged into, that changes each time you connect.
Your confusing it with an email address, an IP address
does not contain the portion with you name
(bjones@(domain).(com))IP address is just so the NET
knows where you are at that point in time, like I said
everytime you redial your IP changes (dynamic IP) dont
take my word for it, do a search on tcp/ip protocol and
naming and educate yourself, if your gonna do any
fighting back then god damit educate yourself!!
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Posted by: LOL
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Friday August 29, 1997
If I had meant email address I would have said email
address ya GOD DAMN QUEER!!!!
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Posted by: RBCP=Brad Carter
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Friday August 29, 1997
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Posted by: you
E-mail: hurt
Location: my
Posted on: Friday August 29, 1997
FEELINGS, I understand however that you are not
interested in enabling anyone to to harass your pla
channel, thus your forgiven.
They gotta really hate that i'm posting there chan
info, oh well
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Posted by: LOL
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Friday August 29, 1997
Anyone who uses "your" when the correct word is
"you're" has GOT to be a member of the PLA. LOL. Like I
said, it's a trick. Maybe dropping out of school after
eighth grade wasn't such a good idea?
ROTFLMAO
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Posted by: And noticed
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Friday August 29, 1997
He uses there for their. Tsk, tsk.
Given the state of this country's educational
standards, he's probably a H.S. Sophmore, at least!
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Posted by: LOL
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Friday August 29, 1997
You're probably right about him being a H.S. Sophomore.
But does he realize this makes him too old to date
Tannest? LOL.
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Posted by: Tom
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Friday August 29, 1997
And notice in the original post, they spelled it
"comming" instead of the correct "coming". I've seen
the hightly educated PLA spell it that way before.
LogicBox is almost illiterate. RBCP is only slightly
more intelligent. Tannest is probably the brightest of
the 3, and she is only a step above rainman.
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Posted by: LOL
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Friday August 29, 1997
"rainman"?
ROTFLOL
I couldn't have said it better myself!
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Posted by: IRCop
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Friday August 29, 1997
Ever think that maybe someone had a little falling out
in the PLA, maybe the pecking order got adjusted. Maybe
there is bad blood within?
ever think that the info is good even if the source is
bad? ever think that people grow apart.
do what you want with the info heh no one is kissing
you're ass to take it!! Your
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Posted by: #Cybersleuths
E-mail: Founded and Controlled by the
Location: PLA
Posted on: Saturday August 30, 1997
All of the BNF regulars left when they realized that
this channel was founded by "LogicBox" and his PLA
cyber-criminals.
Currently, there are just a few of the clueless there
led by mapek.
Are they having fun? Lots of piddle-patter and
virtually NOTHING of substance regarding the "friendly
discussion of the JonBenet murder case." Looks like the
LAMERZ channel founded and currently possessed by
LOSERS! ROTFLMAO!
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Psykopath Is Back
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Posted by: Psykopath
E-mail:
[email protected]
Location: Cult of Eternal Damnation
Posted on: Saturday August 30, 1997
I was gone for a while, because, I thought, hey,
harrassing this forum is lame, when I could be getting
my domain K-lined off Dalnet by harrassing people on
IRC, (ask for me by name) but this was in my bookmarks,
so I checked back, and there was a definitive lack of
creativity in the spams and/or harrassment. So I'm
back, with my Cult, and I'll be posting inflamatory and
obscene things, and I won't leave until you believe my
claims that, yes, my cult did indeed kill little
JonBenet, and will kill more child beuaty pageant
people. And a note to those harrassing the forum.
Rember the good old days when we had ads about the
JonBenet Condom, and murder t-shirts? That stuff was
funny. Can't you people be funny anymore. And I beleive
that got some people really mad. Oh, and so you don't
say I'm hiding behind my computer, which is very stupid
to claim for reasons I won't go into here, I'll state
my real name. It is Josiah Corrigan, you detectives
should be able to get my telephone info from that. I
also live in Kentucky. Well, a hearty, fuck off to you
all, and I'd like to say that I will be selling
JonBenet porn very soon. Look for it.
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What is PLA?
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Posted by: Scott
E-mail: Canada@EastCOast
Location: NovaScotia
Posted on: Saturday August 30, 1997
Please, what is the PLA? and, where do all the threads
go and why do they go so fast?
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Posted by: sigh
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Saturday August 30, 1997
Please, read more before you ask such questions. Read
threads, read archives. I did it when I was new. No one
helped me. It's not so hard.
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Posted by: Court Reporter
E-mail: 6:35 a.m. cst
Location: Wisconsin
Posted on: Saturday August 30, 1997
TO SIGH!!!
Geez sigh, sure wouldn't want you for a teacher, why so
bitter because one is asking for help. I myself do not
know what PLA is and I do not understand why the
threads disappear so fast, sometimes within a half hour
a thread will be gone. I don't think that should cause
such exuding bitterness from a fellow poster.
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Posted by: I will help
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Saturday August 30, 1997
The PLA is a cyber organization called Phone Losers of
America. Briefly, they are a bunch of cyber geek
teenagers that get their thrills bashing BBS's
(bulletin board systems) like this one, stealing phone
time from Ma Bell, and stealing credit card numbers and
then doing lots of illegal things with the stolen
credit cards.
They are led by a guy called RBCP or Red Box Chili
Pepper. He is 24. They began smashing this Forum in
February. The three worst of them messing up this Forum
are RBCP, LogicBox and Tannest.
Some of the forum members got tired of the damage they
were doing (in recent weeks they were creating as much
as 500 threads in a day) and did some research to find
out their true identities.
These people found out that RBCP is really Bill Cook of
Celina, Ohio and that Tannest is really Samantha Stack
of Bend, Oregon. They were supposed to expose LogicBox
on Thursday night but Detective X who was doing all of
the exposing got sick. So far we don't know anything
about LogicBox.
If you want to read more about these people go to
http://:www.phonelosers.org. If you want to know about
how they began smashing this Forum go to their back
issues of the PLA Zine and pick issue #45 and look for
an article written by LogicBox.
Thats all I know about them.
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Posted by: Lil Bird
E-mail:
Location: 10:46 a.m. Texas time
Posted on: Saturday August 30, 1997
a little clue to all ---thanks for the help but
pay no attention to any of them and they will
go away.
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Posted by: Detective X
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Saturday August 30, 1997
Logic Boxes real name is Josiah Corrigan and his phone
number is 606-223-2772 and he lives inn Lexington KY.
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Posted by: Warning!
E-mail: DO
Location: NOT
Posted on: Saturday August 30, 1997
trust the information you are given by ANYONE on this
forum regarding personal information, i.e. Names,
Telephone Numbers, Addresses etc. That is what the PLA
are all about. Giving out names, IPs, e-mail info
hoping that well meaning people will harass those
individuals. The names may or may not be correct for
some PLA members.
Don't be a party to their small minded schemes.
Ignore them as the poster above wisely suggested,
because that is the thing that irritates the PLA most.
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Posted by: Wrong
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Saturday August 30, 1997
LogicBox is not Josiah. Logicbox lives in California
where PLA West is located. He does not live in
Kentucky.
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Posted by: I
E-mail: suspect
Location: that this is a
Posted on: Saturday August 30, 1997
Troll Thread, started by one of the little snerts or
one of their wannabees. They can't stand it if their
name doesn't show up when you open this web site.
To: Court Reporter
I, for one would be more likely to help someone who
asked a question on one of the #'d threads. If you've
been a participant in this forum for any length of time
or if you will just take the time to read some of the
threads (that's participation, isn't it?, you'd
understand why we are trying to use those threads to
restore some sanity to the forum.
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Psykopath's Master Plan
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Posted by: Psykopath
E-mail:
[email protected]
Location: Cult of Eternal Damantion
Posted on: Saturday August 30, 1997
Ha, since you are so inferior, I will outline my master
plan to wreck this forum. So far, I have posted twice
today, and one of your forum idiots has made about 150
insulting posts to me in the same thread. So I will now
post in all threads, and that idiot will kill your
forum for me. Hahaha, I exploit your stupidity! Cult of
Eternal Damnation 0wns you!
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Posted by: Dear Psykopath
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Saturday August 30, 1997
I think I understand that you are very ordinary.
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Posted by: Observer
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Saturday August 30, 1997
LogicBox, it's time for bed.
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Posted by: mona
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Saturday August 30, 1997
the duck story is the only thing one here that
is worth reading
all you cunts need new brains!!!!
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Posted by: Hey Psykopath
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 31, 1997
Why do write these stupid posts saying how great your
story is? You wrote that mona post yourself, you moron!
Do you really think people are impressed because you
are capable of saying distastful thing? You are by far
the stupidest spammer of all - the least imaginative,
and possibly the least intelligent. At least the others
were not pretentious enough to imagine that anyone
really cared.
I'm going to guess that you are one of those people
nobody ever notices. So you come on this forum and try
to gross out a group of old ladies you don't even know.
I always worry about people who are making an effort to
act wierd. Like choosing a name like "Psykopath" Is
this supposed to be scary? Are we supposed to think you
are an out of control maniac of some kind? Why would
you want us to think that?
What is it that you don't want us to think about you?
What is the secret of Psykopath? That he is stupid and
boring.
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Posted by: Psykopath
E-mail: is
Location: so
Posted on: Sunday August 31, 1997
cool and casual.
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Posted by: To Psykopath
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Sunday August 31, 1997
So far your master plan seems to be to post something
really dumb, then right afterwards, post under a
different hat and say how great the really dumb thing
was.
Brilliant. And original!
I checked out your website, boy. What exactly were you
going for here?
Are we supposed to be:
Shocked? (likes Satan, hates Walt Disney and Microsoft)
Scared? (Likes Satan and zombies)
Impressed? (Black with white writing)
What?
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Posted by: sigh
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Saturday August 30, 1997
The usual paranoia in the threads today. Ah people. People.
There is more to life than acne-riddled high school geeks
pulling your chains! Every time someone asks about them and
we lay out their "history", they bask in their "importance."
JonBenet is then nothing, intelligent discourse flies out
the window, and the PLA become the star attraction. That is
all I meant by my "mean" reply. I am in fact one of the ones
who trashed their message board with savage parodies of
their methods, based on long hours reading their material
and the archives of their spam. I am one of the ones who
posted long reprints of their key documents whenever someone
asked "who are they". I am one of the ones who sits and
types in the latest tabloid if no one else did it yet, as a
service to the forum. I am just surprised that anyone could
ask who they are unless they just yesterday found this forum
for the first time. And if they did, netiquette demands that
they not post until they have lurked, and learned "what kind
of forum this is" for at least a few weeks.
One would expect that the new unwashed masses would not
follow netiquette, which is the foundation upon which the
successful use of the net is based. But those of us who want
the internet to remain a halfway intelligent and civilized
means of communication have every right to inject a tiny
note of warning that a flame is deserved. And we are flamed
in return by our own.
I do indeed believe this damned thread was started by one of
the pimply faced jailbait heartthrobs of the cradle robber
combination forum person/pla person. One of you agrees with
me. Most of you scroll by, unconcerned, the rest of you are
livid that I didn't sit down and once again cut and paste
the history of the pla for the thousandth time. People,
please check your common sense sometimes. Common sense tells
you that it is futile. The answers to the questions in the
first post of this thread were in other threads of the
forum; the answer about how to get to the archives is in the
BN page when you first enter.
You have to make a judgment call using your pla-dar. Is the
post bait? Or is it a newbie? If a newbie, they will find
the answers within one day of reading. It's their
responsibility. When I said no one helped me I wasn't being
bitter. It was simple fact. When I started frequenting the
forum it was infested with PLA and ruled by them. All my
comments were ignored. That was a clue that no one here
(since they were all flaming each other and ignoring serious
posts) cared about the case. But I persevered and I
eventually learned to tell the real posts from the fake. And
that is all you can do if you enter late (anytime after
February).
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Posted by: to: sigh
E-mail: still here
Location: ...
Posted on: Saturday August 30, 1997
Your post above should be read and taken to heart by all who
visit this forum.
...agreeing with you again :)
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Posted by: some references
E-mail:
Location:
Posted on: Saturday August 30, 1997
an example of RBCP's "zine" in early format:
http://home1.swipnet.se/~w-19872/files/phreak/pla/PLA028.TXT
another crudely typed RBCP zine from 1995 (There are many
more on these 2 domain names):
http://techline.com/~tlove/secret/pla025.txt
Colleen's main site:
http://www.bright.net/~bac/colleen.htm
LogicBox's web page:
http://logic.dynamik.com/
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Posted by: Lil Bird
E-mail:
Location: 3:30 p.m. Texas time
Posted on: Saturday August 30, 1997
Agree with the above posters however we are giving them more
importance than they deserve by posting on this thread. Rule
# 1 The PLA is not important and it is synonomous with the
SLA
in my mind.
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Posted by: 'Ol Hippy
E-mail: from
Location: the 60's
Posted on: Saturday August 30, 1997
sorry 'lil bird, disagree...the SLA didn't hide behind
VDT's.
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Posted by: Cyber imps are here again
E-mail: o
Location: o
Posted on: Saturday August 30, 1997
The post above was not from Detective X. Detective X can
spell.
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Posted by: SIGH
E-mail: SIGH
Location: SIGH
Posted on: Saturday August 30, 1997
do you realize how many times you use "I". It's readily
recognizable who you think highly of.
