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Subject: The Real Marx and Engels
Date: 7 Aug 1993 17:31:17 -0500



An ongoing discussion entitled "The Real Marx and Engels" was
started December 30, 1991 on the GEnie network, in the "Religion and
Philosophy Bulletin Board".  For your reference, the first message
posted in that BB topic is copied below.  This article shows my
intent in starting the topic.  In the past year and a half, the
entire range of Marxian philosophy has been investigated several
times over.  Any network users who have GEnie access are invited to
join in.  (GEnie is a commercial service available only by
subscription; the BB's are not accessible from the internet or
usenet.)
    Mike Lepore   [email protected]   [email protected]

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  Category 37 Topic 16     Mon Dec 30, 1991
  M.LEPORE                 at 18:22 EST
  Sub: The Real Marx and Engels

  This topic is about the real Marx and Engels, not the imaginary
  ones you learned about in school, and hear about in the news media.
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  Category 37,  Topic 16
  Message 1         Mon Dec 30, 1991
  M.LEPORE          at 18:24 EST

  Does the "communism" that has enslaved and murdered millions of
  people since the Russian Revolution of 1917 really reflect the
  philosophy of Marx and Engels?  Or could it be that these brutal
  dictatorships, which have obviously been lying when they call
  themselves "people's democratic republics", have also been lying
  when they call themselves "Marxist"?

  You have been taught that Marxist revolutions depose the
  capitalists, only to install, in their place, powerful states which
  are distinct from the population itself, and ruling over the
  people.  The real Marx insisted, however:  "What is to avoided,
  above all, is the re-establishing of 'society' as an abstraction
  vis-a-vis the individual." [1]

  You have been taught that Marxism is opposed to democracy.
  However, the real Marx held that "Democracy is the solved riddle of
  all constitutions."  He believed that "all forms of state ... are
  untrue insofar as they are not democracy." [2]

  You have been taught that it was Marxist for several countries to
  attempt to control the thoughts of the citizens, and to demand
  uniformity of thought.  The real Marx, however, insisted that "the
  maxim of the great Florentine is mine:  'Follow your own course, no
  matter what people say.'" [3]

  You have been taught that it was Marxist for several countries to
  outlaw religion, and persecute people for their religious
  practices.  The real Marx, however, like the First Amendment to the
  U.S. Constitution, insisted only that religion is a private
  matter, to be kept separate from government.  He wrote:  "Man
  emancipates himself politically from religion by expelling it from
  the sphere of public law to that of private law." [4]

  You may have been told that Marx neglected human feelings, and was
  concerned only with the economic benefits of a new system.  The
  real Marx intended that we should transcend the social conditions
  that require us to devote much worry to material things.  "With the
  increasing value of the world of things, proceeds, in direct
  proportion, the devaluation of the world of men." [5]

  You have been taught that Marxism is consistent with Lenin's
  program of establishing control of the workplace by the state, and
  control of the state by a self-proclaimed "vanguard party".
  However, the real Marx and Engels proposed direct control of the
  workplace by the workers themselves, by some mixture of direct
  democracy and the use of elected representatives.  Engels gave this
  practical example of how it could be done:  "Let us take by way of
  example a cotton spinning mill....  particular questions arise in
  each room at every moment concerning the mode of production,
  distribution of materials, etc.  ...  whether they are settled by
  decision of a delegate placed at the head of each branch of labor,
  or, if possible, by a majority vote...." [6]

  You have been taught that subversive acts, and even terrorist acts,
  taking place in countries which have elections and amendable
  constitutions, are sometimes committed by Marxists.  The real Marx
  clarified his position in a speech at the Hague in Amsterdam,
  pointing out that "there are countries - such as America, England,
  and if I were more familiar with your institutions I might add
  Holland, where the workers can attain their goal by peaceful
  means." [7]

  You have been taught that Marxism forces the individual to
  surrender decision-making ability to bureaucrats, and to obey them
  on faith.  However, the real Marx described his goal with this
  precaution:  "The life-process of society, which is based on the
  process of material production, does not strip off its mystical
  veil until it is treated as production by freely associated men,
  and is consciously regulated by them in accordance with a settled
  plan." [8]

  That the workers would be "freely associated" is fundamental to the
  socialist goal, for, as Engels explained:  "It goes without saying
  that society cannot free itself without every individual being
  freed." [9]

                      *   *   *   *   *   *

  The media have been telling you repeatedly about "the failure of
  Marxism" around the world in recent years.  However, since no
  society has ever really attempted to implement Marxism, it makes
  little sense to cite the failure of it.  You might as well say that
  our last space mission to Alpha Centauri was a failure.  Nothing
  can be a failure if no one has ever tried it.

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  References
  ==========

       Page numbers in parentheses refer to excerpts in
       R.C. Tucker, _The Marx-Engels Reader_, New York:
       W.W. Norton and Co., 1978

  [1]  Marx, _The Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844_,
       (p. 545)
  [2]  Marx, _Contribution to the Critique of Hegel's __Philosophy
       of Right_ [1843] (pp. 20-21)
  [3]  Marx, preface to the first German edition of _Capital_
       [1867] (p. 298)
  [4]  Marx, "On the Jewish Question" [1843] (p. 35)
  [5]  Marx, EPM of 1844 (p. 71)
  [6]  Engels, article in the _Almanacco Repubblicano_ [1874]
       (p. 731)
  [7]  Marx, address delivered at the Hague 9-8-1872 (p. 523)
  [8]  Marx, _Capital_, volume 1, Part 1, Chapter 1 (p. 327)
  [9]  Engels, _Anti-Duhring_ [1878] reprint of 1935, Charles H.
       Kerr & Co., p. 307