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From: [email protected] (Myra Dinnerstein)
Subject: IN CAMERA HEARING - September 6, 1995
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In Camera from September 6, 1995

             (THE FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS WERE
            HELD IN CAMERA:)

     THE COURT:  THE RECORD SHOULD REFLECT THAT WE ARE IN
CHAMBERS WITH MR. SHAPIRO, MR. COCHRAN, MISS CLARK AND MR.
DARDEN.
           I HAVE ASKED COUNSEL TO STEP INTO CHAMBERS.
           MR. COCHRAN, LET ME JUST EXPRESS TO YOU SOME CONCERN
THAT I HAVE REGARDING OUR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP AT THIS POINT IN
TIME.
     MR. COCHRAN:  YES, YOUR HONOR.
     THE COURT:  I HAVE CHOSEN UP TO THIS POINT TO IGNORE YOUR
PRESS CONFERENCE LAST THURSDAY AND WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE IN
DIRECT CONTEMPT OF THIS COURT.  I HAVE CHOSEN TO IGNORE THAT.
           AND TODAY WHEN WE WERE AT THE SIDE BAR, THIS IS
OBVIOUSLY A VERY VOLATILE ISSUE, AND I ASKED YOU TO DIRECT
YOURSELF TO THE QUESTION THAT I ASKED, WHAT QUESTIONS WERE YOU
GOING TO ASK WITH REGARDS TO MISS MC KINNY AND HER CONVERSATIONS
-- HER TESTIMONY JUST NOW ABOUT A COVER-UP.
           AND I THINK THE RECORD WILL REFLECT THAT I ASKED YOU
A DIRECT QUESTION AND YOU STARTED TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE.
           AND I REDIRECTED YOUR ATTENTION BACK TO THE QUESTION
THAT I ASKED AND APPARENTLY YOU HAVE TAKEN UMBRAGE AT THAT.
           WELL, MR. COCHRAN, LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING.  I TAKE
UMBRAGE AT YOUR RESPONSE AND YOUR REACTION.
           AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I HAVE CHOSEN TO IGNORE
IT THUS FAR AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF OUR LONG RELATIONSHIP AND WHAT
I WILL HOPE WILL BE OUR CONTINUING FRIENDSHIP.
           AND WHAT I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT WE DO IS THAT YOU
AND I BOTH TAKE A DEEP BREATH, TAKE A RECESS AND COME BACK AND
TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN.
           YOU KNOW, YOU ARE INVOLVED IN THE HEAT OF BATTLE.  I
UNDERSTAND THAT.
     MR. COCHRAN:  YOUR HONOR, I WAS TRYING TO AND THE QUESTION
-- BUT WHAT I SAID WAS I --
     THE COURT:  I WAS TRYING TO CUT TO THE CHASE.
           WHAT I SHOULD HAVE ASKED AND THE VERNACULAR IS WHERE
ARE WE GOING WITH THAT?
     MR. COCHRAN:  YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THAT.
           PERHAPS MY REACTION WAS THAT I FELT THAT I WAS A MAN,
YOU ARE A MAN, WE HAVE BEEN FRIENDS AND I THOUGHT THE TONE --
     THE COURT:  COUNSEL, WHEN YOU SAY SOMETHING, "I AM A MAN,
YOU ARE A MAN," THAT IS -- THAT IS A CHALLENGE OF SORTS, WOULDN'T
YOU SAY?
     MR. COCHRAN:  WELL, NO.
           I WAS JUST SAYING I DIDN'T WANT TO BE TALKED TO LIKE
A SCHOOL KID.  I SAID THAT I FELT THAT WE DO HAVE A LONG
RELATIONSHIP AND THE COURT -- I  FELT WE WERE THE ONES WHO WERE
BEING PUT UPON ON THIS WHOLE ISSUE AND I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT
AND I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO EXPLAIN IT.
           AND YOUR HONOR WANTED TO GET RIGHT TO THE ISSUE.  I'M
NOT SAYING YOU JUMPED ME, BUT YOU SAID, "THAT IS NOT WHAT I ASKED
YOU."
           I'M SAYING, JUDGE, I'M TRYING TO GET TO IT.
           SO I WILL TAKE A DEEP BREATH.
           AND I AM PREPARED NOW TO TRY TO TELL YOU WHAT I AM
TRYING TO DO.
     THE COURT:  NO.  I NEED TO TAKE A DEEP BREATH, TOO, MR.
COCHRAN.
     MR. COCHRAN:  OKAY.

           (BRIEF PAUSE.)

     THE COURT:  I THINK WE HAVE SORT OF GOTTEN FAR AFIELD ON
SOME OF OUR DISCUSSIONS HERE.
           ALL RIGHT.  LET'S TAKE A RECESS.

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