IETF STEERING GROUP (IESG)
REPORT FROM THE TELECONFERENCE
July 27th, 1992
Reported by: Greg Vaudreuil, IESG Secretary
This report contains IESG meeting notes, positions and action items.
For more information please contact the IESG Secretary.
[email protected]
ATTENDEES
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Almquist, Philip / Consultant
Chiappa, Noel
Crocker, Dave / TBO
Crocker, Steve / TIS
Coya, Steve / CNRI
Davin, Chuck / MIT
Gross, Philip / ANS
Hinden, Robert / SUN
Hobby, Russ / UC-DAVIS
Reynolds, Joyce / ISI
Stockman, Bernard / SUNET/NORDUnet
Vaudreuil, Greg / CNRI
Regrets
Borman, David / Cray Research
Huizer, Erik / SURFnet
Piscitello, Dave/ Bellcore
AGENDA
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1. Administrivia
o IESG Membership
o Bash the Agenda
o Next Meeting
2. Protocol Actions
o Network Time Protocol
o IP over HIPPI
o Appletalk/PPP
o CLNP/PPP
o Privacy in Network Databases
o Naming Guidelines
o User Friendly Naming
o OSI Transport on the TCP
o NICNAME/WHOIS
o TCP/IP Header Compression
o BGP/OSPF Interactions
o PPP Authentication
o IDPR
3. Technical Management Issues
o IAB/IETF Process Working Group
4. Working Group Actions
o Charmib to Conclude
o IDENT post-mortem
o Newcomers Guide to the IETF
Minutes
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1) Administrivia
o IESG membership evolution
Susan Estrada and Noel Chiappa have indicated their desire to
devote their resources to helping the Internet by increasing their
commitments to specific activities and are unable to continue there
participation on the IESG. The IESG expressed its gratitude for
their valuable service. Phill Gross will begin the process of
recruiting a new Operations area director to replace Estrada.
A minor reorganization of the Internet Area will move
responsibility for Addressing into the Routing Area. Philip
Almquist will continue service as Internet Area Director,
primarily responsible for router and IP over Foo protocols. Bob
Hinden reported the formation of a Routing advisory group to help
ensure high quality review of the routing architecture and
protocols. Noel was recruited as the first member of the Routing
Directorate.
Action: Gross -- Announce the departure of Noel Chiappa and Susan
Estrada from the IESG.
Action: Vaudreuil -- Remove Noel Chiappa and Susan
Estrada from the IESG mailing list and other administrative documents.
o Agenda bashing
Several topics were added, including a discussion of the proposed
IAB/IETF process working group and the need for better document
review.
o Next meeting
The IESG set the next meeting at 12 EDT August 10th.
2) Protocol Actions
o Network Time Protocol Version 3
The IESG has received a request from Dave Mills to elevate RFC1305,
the Network time protocol to Draft Standard status. This RFC is a
Postscript-primary document with a substandard, virtually useless
ASCII version. The IESG discussed the new IAB requirement that
protocol specifications have an ASCII version of the document as
the reference version and concluded that the NTP V3 protocol must
have an ASCII version before it can be advanced to Draft Standard.
Action: Vaudreuil -- Contact Dave Mills and communicate the IESG
requirement that a reference ASCII version of the NTP protocol be
provided before it can be advanced to Draft Standard status.
o IP over HIPPI
The IESG did not reviewed the document.
ACTION: Almquist, Chiappa -- Review the IP over HIPPI document for
technical clarity and architectural soundness.
o Appletalk over PPP
The IESG did not reviewed the document.
ACTION: Almquist, Chiappa -- Review the Appletalk over PPP document for
technical clarity and architectural soundness.
o CLNP over PPP
The IESG did not reviewed the document.
ACTION: Almquist, Chiappa -- Review the CLNP over PPP document for
technical clarity and architectural soundness.
o Privacy and Accuracy in Network Databases
This document was created by the NISI working group at the request
of the IESG and the IESG Security Area director in particular. It
is not intended to be a policy document but rather an exploration of
issues related to public availability of NIC databases. The IESG
discussed this document and approved it for publication as an
Informational RFC.
ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Craft and send a notification to the RFC Editor
requesting publication of the Internet Draft "Privacy and Accuracy in
NIC Databases" as an Informational RFC.
o Directory Naming Guidelines
o User Friendly Naming
IESG consideration of these two OSI X.500 related documents was
deferred until the OSI area directors can participate.
o OSI Transport over the TCP
The IESG approved RFC1006 for Full Standard Status, however, the RFC
has a number of relatively minor and non-technical errors. Because
RFC1006 is so well know by it's RFC Number, the author felt that
republication was excessively painful. Dave Piscitello and the RFC
editor discussed this with the author and agreed to "silently"
update RFC1006 in the rfc directories. Now that this has been
completed, the IESG gave the OK to send the announcement to the
IAB.
ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Confirm that RFC1006 is the version of the
protocol the IESG intends for Standard status and then send the
announcement to the IAB recommending RFC 1006 for Full Standard
Status.
o NICNAME/WHOIS
The IESG earlier approved WHOIS for Full Standard Status pending a
through review of the document. Upon this review and comments from
the last call, the IESG concluded that RFC 954 was an inadequate
specification for Full Standard Status. The document specifies
this protocol by example and does not standardize either the query
or the response expected. The IESG tasked the newly forming DREGS
working group to produce a new document reflecting current
practice.
ACTION: Communicate to the IAB that WHOIS will remain as a Draft
Standard until a new document can be produced better documenting this
protocol.
o TCP/IP Header Compression.
A bug has been identified during the last call for the Header
Compression document and a new feature has been defined for use
with PPP. The IESG was unable to determine if these revelations
would require a new document. RFC 1144 is a Postscript only RFC
and will need an ASCII version before being elevated to Draft
Standard.
ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a note to the PPP mailing list asking for
comments on the TCP/IP Header Compression document.
o BGP/OSPF Interactions
The IESG notified the IAB that there were several changes to the
document before it was approved. The IAB, which had already
received the recommendation from the IESG had additional comments.
These comments and the other changes suggested by the working group
were made by the author and the document is back to the IAB for
balloting.
ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Confirm that the token for the BGP/OSPF
Interactions document is in the hands of the IAB.
o IDPR
The IESG is currently balloting on IDPR. A suggestion was made to
form a review panel for IDPR similar to the one convened for BGP.
While the IAB has not formally asked for IESG discussion, the IESG
explored this issue and for two primary reasons concluded that an
independent technical review was not necessary. IDPR has been
reviewed by most people with an architectural interest in routing
and little additional feedback is likely from such a review.
Second, IDPR is intended to be deployed as a supplemental protocol
in an elective basis and as such does not have nearly the same
operational impact as BGP. BGP is intended to be the primary EGP
for the Internet and as such the IESG required a high degree of
confidence that it was a solid protocol.
POSITION: IDPR does not need a technical review for Proposed Standard
because little is likely to be learned and the protocol is not expected
to have a severe operational impact.
Technical Management Issues
o IAB/IETF Interaction/Process Working Group.
One of the proposals from the IETF Open Plenary was to create an
open working group to explore the working relationship and
procedures between the IAB and the IETF and make suggestions for
improvement. The IESG discussed this effort and agreed that it was
a good idea. It is unclear what form or direction this group
should take, and there was strong sentiment that the formation of
this group should be done in dialogue with the ISOC Board of
Directors.
ACTION: Gross -- Discuss the proposed IAB/IETF Process Working Group
with Vint Cerf, president of the Internet Society for possible
involvement of the ISOC board in any such group.
o IETF Newcomers Guide.
Discussion has begun in earnest on the IETF mailing list about the
need for better education. Gary Malkin has volunteered to write
the guide and has begun a mailing list for discussion. The IESG
has requested the IETF secretariat to write a "handbook" for IETF
and IESG operation, with a focus on the procedures to be used by a
working group chairs. The IESG understands this to be a separate
effort from the newcomers guide but has asked Steve Coya to work
with Gary on this effort.
Action: Vaudreuil -- Solicit and compile a wishlist from the IESG for
topics to be included in a newcomers guide to the IETF.
Working Group Actions
o Character MIB Working Group.
The Character MIB working group has completed their charter and
was retired by the IESG.
ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the conclusion of the Character MIB
Working Group to the IETF.
